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(AP)   FTW: U.S. Navy marks Battle of Midway's 70th anniversary. Japan's vessels outnumbered U.S. ships 4-to-1, Japan's aviators had more experience, and its Zero fighter planes could easily outmaneuver U.S. aircraft   (hosted.ap.org ) divider line
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2012-06-04 12:13:53 PM  
7 votes:
Also, the Americans had lasers that shot in three different directions.

www.exotica.org.uk

(1943?)
2012-06-04 12:19:53 PM  
5 votes:
The US Navy in 1942:
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2012-06-04 09:31:53 AM  
5 votes:
Someone should make a movie about that.
2012-06-04 02:53:12 PM  
4 votes:
"So they had zero fighter planes?"
"Yup."
"Then how'd they fight an air battle?"
"With their fighter planes."
"...So they DID have fighter planes?"
"Yup, zero fighter planes."
"...How did they fight a battle with zero planes?"
"Very well actually, they were dangerous."
"The zero planes were?"
"Yep!"

etc, etc...
"Third base!"
2012-06-04 02:24:49 PM  
4 votes:

clovis69: Japanese Navy commanders had gone to US colleges, had the same ideas about Mahanian warfare, they just didn't get KISS.


That's because simplicity is antithetical to the whole Japanese worldview. Take whatever you like, they will refine and twist and distill and squeeze into the most complex perversion imaginable. Oh sure, they make some great stuff, but simple, it ain't. From electronics to cars to porn, they can take something simple and plain and straightforward and make it all but unintelligible to anyone but themselves.

Take tea, for example. England gets the tea, they put it in a little bag, drop it in the boiling water, they drink it. Done. God Save the Queen. The Turk doesn't even use a bag, just dumps it in, takes care not to agitate it, drinks it down. The Japanese turn the whole thing into an elaborate ceremony and guys are falling on their swords when they're hosting and it goes wrong.

They're a brilliant, resourceful people and I love 'em, but they don't do simple. No.
2012-06-04 12:31:44 PM  
4 votes:

ScotterOtter: Let's not forget the shipyard workers who got the Yorktown back to fighting shape in only a few days. So impressive was that feat that the japanese admiralty didn't believe their scouts when it was sighted out at sea


areyoufuckingcoding.me
2012-06-04 11:00:45 AM  
4 votes:

notmtwain: Is Midway really one of the Hawaiian islands?


It's where Mortal Kombat and NBA Jam take place
2012-06-04 04:25:53 PM  
3 votes:
Having the USS Nimitz show up with its F-14s was what surprised the Japanese and saved our bacon.
2012-06-04 02:45:24 PM  
3 votes:

Lucky LaRue: Of course, the fact that we had broken the Japanese code and were laying in wait for them helped, too... :)

My great uncle flew a Dauntless from the USS Hornet at Midway, and scored a hit on the Japanese destroyer, Asashio.


That, and when they wargamed the battle out beforehand, they were cheating on dice rolls.
2012-06-04 12:42:38 PM  
3 votes:

clovis69: vossiewulf: Japan's plan was way too complex and assumed that the Americans were afraid of them and would hide in Pearl Harbor

If they'd kept it simple like Pearl Harbor, they could have pulled it off. But they were trying for a grand Mahanian victory across the entire theater.

Japanese Navy commanders had gone to US colleges, had the same ideas about Mahanian warfare, they just didn't get KISS.

From Midway on, the US did get KISS, concentrate your force, go smash the enemy.


You would think the shoes made it harder for them to fly the planes.
2012-06-04 12:19:39 PM  
3 votes:

Ricardo Klement: 2wolves: Don't underestimate luck either.

No kidding. The one search plane AND the one sub that were delayed were the ones responsible for where the American fleet turned out to be.


It was indeed a tactical blunder to pack power-ups onto their planes.
kgf
2012-06-04 02:44:47 PM  
2 votes:

GOB: kgf: capt.hollister: '...and its Zero fighter planes could easily outmaneuver U.S. aircraft'

But they did not outgun them and, more importantly, lacked armor protection and self-sealing tanks making them extremely vulnerable to battle damage.

More important was the Thatch Weave. It was the Thatch Weave that allowed our outdated fighters to compete with Zero's before Lightnings and Hellcats showed up. Tactics can always outweigh technical specs.

This may sound sappy, or corny, but here goes- I am an atheist, but our victory at Midway is the closest I've ever seen to evidence that proves the existence of God (and that He was on our side).

Thach Weave. Also, the fact you think god was helping the US win Midway isn't sappy or corny, just idiotic.


Nah, the only thing I did idiotic was forget morons like you can actually learn to read.
2012-06-04 02:29:25 PM  
2 votes:

elvisaintdead: basemetal: Someone should make a movie about that.

I believe they did, you damn dirty apes.
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and you just read that in his voice, too


Now I am reading that in his voice
2012-06-04 12:58:02 PM  
2 votes:
I wish FLYNAVY was here to tell us all about Navy heroism.
2012-06-04 12:45:27 PM  
2 votes:
Well, the Navy weren't afraid 'cause they knew all Japs were blind as bats, even w/ the thick glasses.
2012-06-04 12:42:20 PM  
2 votes:

rtaylor92: Maybe it's cost prohibitive of something (but then they did just make that "Battleship" thing) but this really does seem like possibly the single best military event ripe for a modern era film.


Yeah, people thought that about Pearl Harbor too.
2012-06-04 12:30:52 PM  
2 votes:
Served 'em right for invading Poland.
2012-06-04 12:24:07 PM  
2 votes:

Lucky LaRue: Of course, the fact that we had broken the Japanese code and were laying in wait for them helped, too... :)


HaXXORs!
2012-06-04 07:29:54 PM  
1 vote:
Let's not forget our brave and fierce fighter pilots of that era.

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2012-06-04 04:44:33 PM  
1 vote:
My grandfather was in Midshipman School when Pearl Harbor was attacked. By January he was on an AKA ship traveling through the Panama Canal to the South Pacific. He was there for the invasion of Guadalcanal on August 7th, 1942, transporting Marines and cargo. Later on, he was on a return trip to San Francisco aboard a ship carrying Naval Aviators who had been at Midway and he said they were the most devil-may-care group he had ever seen and they spent their time gambling for high stakes.

During one supply run, his ship was sunk by a torpedo and seven men were killed. They spent the night floating on innertube-style rafts before being picked up the next morning. Upon returning to the port, he received delivery of a cargo hook he had designed and ordered for the now-sunk ship, as it had been commissioned without one.

Later in the war, he was second in command of a ship that had previously been a yacht owned by the author Zane Grey. Not only that, but the yacht had been raised off the bottom of the harbor where it had sunk. It was "a mess," as he described it.

His final assignment in wartime was to report to New Orleans to command a vessel... a barge with no motor and a crew consisting in part of men who had just been taken from the brig. They were to be towed to the South Pacific by tugboat. On the way there, they had to stop in Panama to remove a sailor who had stabbed a fellow crew member. While in port in San Diego awaiting orders, the atomic bomb was dropped and the war was over; however, his orders came through to sail to Okinawa. By the time they finally got there via tugboat, he had a pretty substantial case of crotch rot, which became infected. He ended up being sent to the Great Lakes Naval Station for surgery on an anal fistula, which is how he ended up in Chicago, where he met my grandmother... which is why I am here today.
2012-06-04 04:37:08 PM  
1 vote:

AngryJailhouseFistfark: Having the USS Nimitz show up with its F-14s was what surprised the Japanese and saved our bacon.


I *LOVED* that farking movie.
2012-06-04 03:14:29 PM  
1 vote:
AngryJailhouseFistfark: positronica: One of the "What If" scenarioes I like to think about is how the Battle of Midway might have gone differently had Germany not halted construction of Graf Zeppelin and had instead been able to make her operational some time in 1941 or early 1942. The theory being that if Germany had a carrier like Graf Zeppelin in it's fleet, then the US would have tranferred a fleet carrier from the Pacific to the Atlantic in order to counter the percieved threat. Japan's fortunes in the pacific would have surely been different in such a scenario, at least in the short term.

Why would the Germans have rebuilt the Zeppelin when the first one burned up so easily?

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Not THAT Graf Zeppelin, the Aircraft Carrier Graf Zeppelin.
2012-06-04 02:46:16 PM  
1 vote:

Whiskey Dickens: Yeah, that Midway thing was pretty cool. Not quite as cool as what the Commonwealth did on June 6th, 2 years later, but Americans need their pat on the head too.

/Way to go buddy, you did great!!


The Commonwealth??? Fark. Everybody knows it was the Russkies that won WWII. The only thing the Commonwealth managed to do was to parachute thousands of troops into the Netherlands just so they could surrender.
2012-06-04 02:39:21 PM  
1 vote:

positronica: One of the "What If" scenarioes I like to think about is how the Battle of Midway might have gone differently had Germany not halted construction of Graf Zeppelin and had instead been able to make her operational some time in 1941 or early 1942. The theory being that if Germany had a carrier like Graf Zeppelin in it's fleet, then the US would have tranferred a fleet carrier from the Pacific to the Atlantic in order to counter the percieved threat. Japan's fortunes in the pacific would have surely been different in such a scenario, at least in the short term.


Wow!! Your grasp of the facts are amazing. I assume that you are unaware of the fact that the US Navy actually did have carriers in the Atlantic that June.
2012-06-04 01:40:39 PM  
1 vote:

Speaker2Animals: An equally great book of his: "The Last Stand of the Tin Can Sailors," about the guys who paid for Halsey's goof at Leyte Gulf.


That keeps showing up on my recommended list. I know the general story pretty well, and I'm still finding new submarine books to read, which is where most of my interest lies lately.
2012-06-04 01:27:47 PM  
1 vote:
Anyone that thinks an arms race is img1.fark.net is either a military contractor or an idiot.
2012-06-04 01:11:38 PM  
1 vote:
I hear FlyNavy is at Midway presiding over the ceremonies.
2012-06-04 01:06:52 PM  
1 vote:

elvisaintdead: basemetal: Someone should make a movie about that.

I believe they did.
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and you just read that in his voice, too


Hot diggity damn!
2012-06-04 12:31:47 PM  
1 vote:

Lucky LaRue: My great uncle flew a Dauntless from the USS Hornet at Midway, and scored a hit on the Japanese destroyer, Asashio.


Yeah, that's cool. But in the movie "Midway", one pilot was shot down in a Dauntless, but when he crashed into the sea he was in a Hellcat. Top that!
2012-06-04 12:28:08 PM  
1 vote:
Regarding WWII fighters: In general, i consider energy fighters to be superior to angles fighters. In fact i would go so far as to say that turning circle is of secondary importance to speed, armament, and roll. This is especially true in group tactics. That assumes of course that the pilots know what they are doing, which the americans didnt.

also, the americans had almost 50% more planes at midway than the japaneese
 
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