Rwa2play: Mad Scientist: Lucky LaRue: Of course, the fact that we had broken the Japanese code and were laying in wait for them helped, too... :)HaXXORs!HaXXORing before it was cool./Still laughs at the fact the Japanese couldn't break our code//Unless they spoke the Navajo (or another of the native people's) language
Ricardo Klement: Carousel Beast: GatorHater: Yamamoto should have brought all six of his fleet carriers. The USN moved mountains to get the Yorktown operational. Also, the poor design of Japanese carriers and their pathetic damage control training and preparation doomed many brave men to a fiery death.GO Navy!Zuikaku was fresh out of pilots; they were slaughtered at the Coral Sea, which was - though it didn't seem so at the time - as much a tactical as strategic victory for the US, despite the loss of the Lexington. Shōkaku was pretty beat up and I don't believe they would have had time to repair her even if they'd been so inclined. Japanese support operations (especially damage control) were inferior in every way, from concept to execution, compared to pretty much everyone.Not a single operation the Japanes planned after the war started succeeded.
lunchinlewis: Speaker2Animals: James Hornfischer's "Neptune's Inferno" tells the story of the naval battles in excellent fashion.I've read that. Great book.
Metaluna Mutant: Great book and big THIS. Midway gave us the initiative, but Guadalcanal (and the accompanying naval battles) got our land forces in gear and showed what the rest of the pacific war would be like.
groppet: GatorHater: Yamamoto should have brought all six of his fleet carriers. The USN moved mountains to get the Yorktown operational. Also, the poor design of Japanese carriers and their pathetic damage control training and preparation doomed many brave men to a fiery death.GO Navy!Yeah IIRC the Japanese navy had wooden decks. If that wasent a call for an inferno I dunno what is.
Speaker2Animals: An equally great book of his: "The Last Stand of the Tin Can Sailors," about the guys who paid for Halsey's goof at Leyte Gulf.
Marcus Aurelius: It was 4 carriers versus 2 carriers and an island. And what Lucky LaRue said.
GOB: kgf: capt.hollister: '...and its Zero fighter planes could easily outmaneuver U.S. aircraft'But they did not outgun them and, more importantly, lacked armor protection and self-sealing tanks making them extremely vulnerable to battle damage.More important was the Thatch Weave. It was the Thatch Weave that allowed our outdated fighters to compete with Zero's before Lightnings and Hellcats showed up. Tactics can always outweigh technical specs.This may sound sappy, or corny, but here goes- I am an atheist, but our victory at Midway is the closest I've ever seen to evidence that proves the existence of God (and that He was on our side).Thach Weave. Also, the fact you think god was helping the US win Midway isn't sappy or corny, just idiotic.
Lucky LaRue: Of course, the fact that we had broken the Japanese code and were laying in wait for them helped, too... :).
whither_apophis: It was a vortex of bad luck for the Japanese, all the above plus fuel lines and unstored bombs on deck when the dive bombers showed up./Fortune favors the bold
clovis69: Japanese Navy commanders had gone to US colleges, had the same ideas about Mahanian warfare, they just didn't get KISS.
GatorHater: Yamamoto should have brought all six of his fleet carriers. The USN moved mountains to get the Yorktown operational. Also, the poor design of Japanese carriers and their pathetic damage control training and preparation doomed many brave men to a fiery death.GO Navy!
Animatronik: Nobody mentioned it yet so -the most important decisive factor was the carrier fire control systems and crews - location of decks has already been mentioned.Yes, the Japanese carrier decks were littered with planes and bombs when the dive bombers hit. Hwoever, the Japanese did not have carriers that were designed with fire control in mind either, so they tended to be incapacitated by a good hit anyway.The Yorktown never would have made it back for repairs after Coral sea had it been a Japanese carrier. And it never would have stayed up for as long as it did at Midway. The Japanese were still attacking it after it had been severly damaged - they thought it was another carrier.So in my mind, some of the biggest heroes of that battle were the U.S. engineers and fire control crews as much as anyone, who designed and manned those carriers. In reality, 2 U.S. carriers could match 4 Japanese carriers in toughness, which by the way, was probably true of the wildcat vs. early zeros. The Japanese tended to skimp on steel as well wherever they could (shortage of steel being a justifcation for their pacific expansion) and this was part ofthe problem in both ships and planes.
rtaylor92: Maybe it's cost prohibitive of something (but then they did just make that "Battleship" thing) but this really does seem like possibly the single best military event ripe for a modern era film.
clovis69: vossiewulf: Japan's plan was way too complex and assumed that the Americans were afraid of them and would hide in Pearl HarborIf they'd kept it simple like Pearl Harbor, they could have pulled it off. But they were trying for a grand Mahanian victory across the entire theater.Japanese Navy commanders had gone to US colleges, had the same ideas about Mahanian warfare, they just didn't get KISS.From Midway on, the US did get KISS, concentrate your force, go smash the enemy.
notmtwain: Is Midway really one of the Hawaiian islands?
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