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2012-06-04 01:19:37 AM
7 votes:

MadSkillz: Kinda sad. Stuff happens. That people stress at age 22 about being too old for anything surprises me.

I'm 34. I know there are limits for me. But at 22, there were none.


Dude, you're 34. Start worrying about limits when you're pushing 50.
2012-06-04 03:41:49 AM
6 votes:

zzrhardy: eldritch2k4: What? Are you too fat to fit through the goddam office doors?

No-one likes fat people, or ugly people. God help if your fat and ugly.

Doesn't matter if it is a girl, some person behind a counter, a client or a job interviewer. Your appearance dictates how everyone responds to you.

The general consensus is "go be fat somewhere else".


Fat people are the best farking people to farking hire and interviewers know that shiat. At least for good career choices; maybe not for the counter at Victoria's Secret, but a good career that will lead to a comfortable life, fark yeah. Beautiful people don't have to cultivate a good personality growing up because they can coast through the first 30 or so years of their life on their looks. The fat guy? The fat guy is gonna be great because he spent his time learning how to farking do shiat right and growing a great personality because he's farking fat and ugly and how the fark else is he going to have interpersonal relationships.

The interviewer working for a major banking corporation that plans on giving someone a biatchin' salary; awesome health, dental and vision; and a farking ladder to climb isn't going to want some pretty, vapid coont working for them (unless they are stuck in the 1950s and know nothing of sexual harassment law), they're going to want the guy who has the biatchin' personality and interpersonal skills that PVC up there never had to learn how to possess because she was surrounded by other pretty, vapid coonts that just formed a pretty, vapid echo chamber that resembles the farking Debbies from The motherfarking Oblongs.

So, yeah, go be fat somewhere else. Like at the farking upper management level of a major corporation instead of the trendy nightspot. Sounds like a motherfarking plan.

/Yes. I'm fat.
//Yes. I'm fine with that.
///Why? Because I'm farking awesome.
2012-06-04 03:32:25 AM
4 votes:

Ed Willy: I am 26, in student loan debt and often feel like there is no hope. I took a cross country trek for new job opportunities and even with a hub of alumni I can't find regular work. I don't know, for a while I've really given up on the idea that there are regular jobs that pay money and somewhere along the line the older generations broke the system and we are the first generation dealing with the blowback of it.


You're the second generation to deal with it. A lot of us gen x'ers had to wait a long time in line before we got our shots. Like early thirties. I don't know about anybody else, but the key to maintaining hope seems to be avoiding the "kids" trap. As soon as the word 'baby' enters your daily vocab, you have to start settling.

but don't listen to me, I'm still refusing to become a full fledged adult at 41. I figure 4 or 5 more years of being a 'mine is mine' @ssh0le and then I'll consider giving up half my stuff for a soul sucking family.
2012-06-04 02:38:10 AM
4 votes:
Given that the article writer segues into a plug about his new book, perhaps the "sick" tag also applies.
2012-06-04 08:18:40 AM
3 votes:

Ed Willy: I am 26, in student loan debt and often feel like there is no hope. I took a cross country trek for new job opportunities and even with a hub of alumni I can't find regular work. I don't know, for a while I've really given up on the idea that there are regular jobs that pay money and somewhere along the line the older generations broke the system and we are the first generation dealing with the blowback of it.


I'm one of the generation you think screwed you up. Actually, it my was Grandfather's generation. They started Social Security. That led people to believe that if they turned over control of their life to the government, the government would take care of them. So in the 60s my Dad's generation started Medicare and the Great Society and the War on Poverty. Also thrown into the mix was the notion that if you worked for a company for a few years, that company should add to your Social Security with a pension. All of these programs promise you security in exchange for giving up a substantial part of your income for your entire working life. In other words, you get paid only a portion of what you earn with a promise that, should you actually live long enough, Nanny State will take care of you. Of course, if Nanny is footing the bills, Nanny will decide what it is you get.

We have now arrived at a decision point. Are we going to continue down the path of giving up a substantial portion of what we earn for our employers in exchange for the illusion of security or are we going to decide we would rather return to our roots, as a nation, and allow workers to keep more of what they earn and be responsible for themselves. Your generation is going to have to make that decision and then live with it.

Your student loan debt is a great illustration. The government has convinced you that you needed a college education and that you deserve one. So they loan you the money - because everybody knows that colleges NEED to charge the exorbitant tuition rates they charge. You will then spend the next 20 years of your working life paying that off. While you are putting 15% of your income into FICA. And you will pay property taxes, income taxes - more than likely federal, state, and local - sales taxes and a host of other fees and taxes all of which take away from your ability to build wealth for yourself. Wealth that you could pass on to your heirs, should you be fortunate to have any. Instead, the government is gambling on the fact that you will die young so that all the money you put into the system stays there. Were you an ideal citizen, you would die after you have paid off all your loans but before you draw Social Security, pension, or qualify for Medicare. That will become the new definition of Patriotism.

In the meantime, take any job you can find. Even if it's cleaning toilets. There is a friend of mine who took a job as a 2nd shift janitor for a cleaning service, after graduating with a liberal arts degree. He ended up assigned to clean a research lab. The director of the lab frequently worked late and would talk to this friend. Got him interested in medical research. Got him a position as a lab assistant. He went back to school part time, paid for by the research company. Fast forward several years and he has his Ph.D. and owns his own research company. Your results may vary. But the best way to find the job your looking for is to take the job you can get, no matter what it is.
2012-06-04 07:42:33 AM
3 votes:
Age 50 gets here one hell of a lot faster than any 22 year old imagines.
2012-06-04 03:42:11 AM
3 votes:

dopeydwarf: MadSkillz: Kinda sad. Stuff happens. That people stress at age 22 about being too old for anything surprises me.

I'm 34. I know there are limits for me. But at 22, there were none.

Dude, you're 34. Start worrying about limits when you're pushing 50.


No no no , I just turned 42 and there are real limits to what you can and cannot do at certain ages:

And at 34, doors are closing too - if you're not in management, you might not ever get there yet, which means a lifetime of crappy jobs lie ahead. yes there are outliers and there's always the odd chance that a freakish turn of events will happen, but on the whole, strve to do what you want with your life early. IT IS EVIL to suggest that people have more time than they do

If you're not gorgeous and beautiful at 25, then you're probably not going to be gorgeous and beautiful.

If a woman isn't married with kids by 30, it gets really hard to find vet, romance, wed and reproduce with a guy by 40. (Men have more time but more of their breeding success is $ related, and so limited there)

If you haven't taken up exercise at all of any kind by 35, your body will be a total mess by the time you're 40.

The point of this isn't to scare you, but to motivate you into doing what you think should be done with your life NOW NOW NOW.

... and her story is a great example of why.
2012-06-04 02:40:53 AM
3 votes:

dopeydwarf: MadSkillz: Kinda sad. Stuff happens. That people stress at age 22 about being too old for anything surprises me.

I'm 34. I know there are limits for me. But at 22, there were none.

Dude, you're 34. Start worrying about limits when you're pushing 50.


I'm 35. The fact that there are limits are finally starting to be accepted. By the time 50 rolls around, I might even start worrying about them.
2012-06-04 02:30:07 AM
3 votes:
So, reading the article, this girl's gushing doe-eyed message was proven wrong by harsh reality.
Yet, it somehow makes her more right.
Whatever, kids.
2012-06-04 09:02:37 AM
2 votes:

HotIgneous Intruder: zzrhardy: The old saying is "beauty is only skin deep, but ugly goes right to the bone".

True that. Whenever I meet a pretty woman and she starts prattling on about Jesus, it just kills it for me.

/Mass delusion: It's not just annoying, it's mental illness.


0/10

Fail troll is fail.
2012-06-04 08:03:45 AM
2 votes:
What she had to say was right. She died young right after saying it. Ironic, yes. That doesn't invalidate the correctness of what she said.

Bad things happen to good people all the time.
2012-06-04 07:16:39 AM
2 votes:
Because this is FARK, I can say what I'm thinking: if given a choice between being a progressive journalist living in New York and playwright, become the playwright; no one will notice that there's one less progressive journalist, and they aren't changing the world for the better, even less so when they seek out progressive enclaves in NYC, where they can hang out with other right-thinking people.

/seek out people with different points of view and try to understand them. Don't accept a philosophy that minimizes the importance of individual actions and beliefs.
2012-06-04 06:24:58 AM
2 votes:

orbister: or simply a remarkable lack of self control


Exactly. Just like anyone without $100k in savings shows a remarkable lack of self control. Sure, it's a little easier for people who had rich parents, a sound financial education, and significant previous income, but it's certainly possible for any 27-year-old to have $100k in savings -- they could accomplish that simply by working for minimum wage since they were 15 and never spending a single dollar on anything like "food" or "sheller".

/ Or maybe your dismissal of fat people makes you a bad interviewer, and a detriment to your employer, just like any other non-work-related bias would
2012-06-04 03:31:38 AM
2 votes:

eldritch2k4: What? Are you too fat to fit through the goddam office doors?


No-one likes fat people, or ugly people. God help if your fat and ugly.

Doesn't matter if it is a girl, some person behind a counter, a client or a job interviewer. Your appearance dictates how everyone responds to you.

The general consensus is "go be fat somewhere else".
2012-06-04 03:28:05 AM
2 votes:

MadSkillz: I'm stuck in a shiat job right now that I can't just leave because I'm fat (working on that) and it's impacting my interviewing.


You're fat...and it's impacting your interviewing...

What? Are you too fat to fit through the goddam office doors? Is walking from the front desk to the interviewer's office giving you a heart attack? Being fat isn't a barrier to a good career, unless you are trying to be a farking model for Calvin Klein.

Here's an idea: man up, Nancy, and admit that you have trouble interviewing because you suck at interviewing. It has nothing to do with your weight; you should be walking into job interviews, kicking the door in (figuratively) and declaring, "fark you, you farking farkers! I'm fatter than hell and I'll still kick any one of your skinny asses at this job! I'm gonna waddle my fat ass in here and, even through my wheezing, I'm gonna be the best goddam worker this place farking has. I'm gonna leave sweat stains and awesome all over this joint! I'm gonna so much fatty awesome, the motherfarker is gonna spontaneously burn to the farking ground and I'm gonna keep on farking working and the fire isn't going to affect my fat ass because every ounce of my fat ass oozes work ethic and fabulous!"

Yeah, I'm shiatting on you, but only because people coddling you and saying, "Oh, it will get better," isn't going to do shiat. shiat gets done when people get mad. So, get mad. Get mad at doing shiatty interviews. Get mad at having a shiatty job. fark, get mad at being fat. Hell, stand up on your desk at your current job, channel your inner Howard Beale and scream, "I'M MAD AS HELL AND I'M NOT GOING TO TAKE THIS ANYMORE!"

/best read in J.K. Simmons's voice
2012-06-04 03:19:30 AM
2 votes:

AverageAmericanGuy: Now she has no cares. She doesn't have to worry about making a good salary or wonder where to send her resume or how to climb the corporate ladder or wonder when she'll have time to climb Mt. Everest. She is dead and all those things are now meaningless to her. In Heaven with Jesus, she has all she ever could want.


I'm glad you are there to assign an afterlife to her, otherwise she might have been stuck in some other religion's mythos.

As for her message: regardless of how long we actually live, it is productive to make plans as if we will live a long time; because just in case we do we'll have something to do with our time.
2012-06-04 03:10:43 AM
2 votes:
I am 26, in student loan debt and often feel like there is no hope. I took a cross country trek for new job opportunities and even with a hub of alumni I can't find regular work. I don't know, for a while I've really given up on the idea that there are regular jobs that pay money and somewhere along the line the older generations broke the system and we are the first generation dealing with the blowback of it.
2012-06-04 03:06:56 AM
2 votes:
I know this is Fark, but that is truly heartbreaking story.
2012-06-04 02:52:27 AM
2 votes:

MadSkillz: Kinda sad. Stuff happens. That people stress at age 22 about being too old for anything surprises me.

I'm 34. I know there are limits for me. But at 22, there were none.



Limits are for people like Vegeta, so blinded by anger that they're unable to realize and form their true potential into reality.

Harness your inner Goku. Fight for those you care about, what you love, and a million will seem like 9000: just an arbitrary number.
2012-06-04 02:32:51 AM
2 votes:
Lesson - you don't know how much time you have left. So start doing things NOW. Oh well, few will follow that advice.
2012-06-04 01:57:48 AM
2 votes:

MadSkillz: dopeydwarf: MadSkillz: Kinda sad. Stuff happens. That people stress at age 22 about being too old for anything surprises me.

I'm 34. I know there are limits for me. But at 22, there were none.

Dude, you're 34. Start worrying about limits when you're pushing 50.

I'm acutely aware that at this point, I need to be paying into a place to live so I build equity, that I need to be saving for retirement... however, I'm stuck in a shiat job right now that I can't just leave because I'm fat (working on that) and it's impacting my interviewing.


You can do it. Do something as simple as walking more every day and the pounds will shed off. I've lost over 60 lbs. just by walking a minimum of 2 miles a day over the last year while not making any major changes to my food intake. Exercise trumps diet in my experience. Bonus: You'll probably live longer.
2012-06-04 02:01:28 PM
1 votes:

topcon: PsiChick: Ed Willy: I am 26, in student loan debt and often feel like there is no hope. I took a cross country trek for new job opportunities and even with a hub of alumni I can't find regular work. I don't know, for a while I've really given up on the idea that there are regular jobs that pay money and somewhere along the line the older generations broke the system and we are the first generation dealing with the blowback of it.

This: She wrote about the fears she and others shared, in their early 20s, "that it is somehow too late. That others are somehow ahead. is the story of my life. It's the story of my generation's life. The previous generation sacrificed us so they could have just one more Hummer.

This needs to be fixed.

Wah, it's someone else's fault. I'm magically supposed to be able to get a job with any and every degree available, not only was our generation directly lied to about college equaling jobs, government is literally paying companies in the form of tax breaks to ship jobs overseas, there is no such thing as job security or unionization anymore, and we have let corporations trample over human rights, not to mention the world economy, without any consequences whatsoever, wah.


FTFY.

/Hate to point this out, bud, but the facts disagree with you.
2012-06-04 10:11:41 AM
1 votes:

Gwyrddu: Way to completely misinterpret what I said. The great depression is an example on how events can completely turn on its head, throwing off any legitimate planning one might have for the future. The stock market is useless in a situation where most companies go under, and anything you invest in doesn't make you money because nobody has any. And before the FDIC people couldn't even get to their money thanks to bank runs. Why do you SS system was created when it was?


Not to mention that half of all seniors lived in poverty before SS, and that has been cut to 10%.
2012-06-04 10:09:07 AM
1 votes:

Mr. Right: ...a bunch of liberal revisionists...your Marxist professors...


This stuff never gets old.

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2012-06-04 09:54:35 AM
1 votes:

Gwyrddu: Putting your money on the stock market is gambling with your money. This is no guarantee what if any your return will be. And past performance isn't a guarantee of future output either, as the buyers of Facebook's IPO have found out. Social Security is just that, it is security. If you are so good with the stock market then there is nothing preventing you from investing your spare money in the stock market, and then it won't matter what taxes are being taking out. And if you aren't making enough for a spare income, maybe you need to talk to those union bosses.


Social Security is security until it isn't. And investing in good mutual funds has been very rewarding. Even with market downturns, long term investments do well. The key there is long term. When I started my working career, the stock market was at 2000. There have been a lot of ups and downs but overall, from 2000 to 12000 is a substantial gain.

But the middle class kid whose parents are underwater on their mortgage is going to graduate with a ton of debt and pay a ton of money into a system that may or may not be there when he wants to retire. Those costs will not give him enough left over after expenses to invest in much of anything. That's where the government is destroying the middle class. The poor have never had anything and probably never will. The rich and those few who make a fortune can always save for a rainy day and build real wealth. The middle class used to be able to save a little and put it away for a house or other real wealth. But with the government's ever-increasing confiscation of the laborer's hire, that ability is going away. A banker who makes millions may not be contributing anything to the economy in terms of wealth creation, he may be unethical as the day is long but he's not taking money out of the pockets of the average middle class worker. The government that confiscates 50% of the cost of employment, through taxes, fees, regulations, various "insurances" and the like, is far more damaging to the average worker than any banker. All of those costs are supposedly for your own good. But they are taking money out of your pocket and deciding how you want it spent.

Take health insurance. A full-service, family policy costs better than $1000/month. Less deductibles, copays, etc. it pays for your health care. If you are sick during the course of the year, it looks like a good investment. The vast majority of folks, however, could cover all of the health expenses for a year for considerably less than the insurance policy costs. Suppose that folks were allowed to buy their own insurance and have a Health Savings Account. It would cost a few hundred per month but have a high deductible, let's say $7500/year. If you paid $400/month for the policy and stayed healthy with only a couple thousand in medical expenses, you would save a few grand over the full coverage policy. If you had a catastrophic illness, you'd pay as much as the full coverage policy. With the HSA, you could bank a bunch of money if you stayed healthy. With the full-coverage policy you'd not have that option, regardless of health - that money would be gone regardless of health. Is it a gamble? Yes. But with a private plan, there are winners and losers. With a government sponsored plan, there are no winners. Everybody loses equally.
2012-06-04 09:45:35 AM
1 votes:

Gwyrddu: What this is the truth. Productivity has been increasing dramatically over time but wages have stagnated since the 70s. Companies never pay you what you are worth, they pay you just enough to keep you from quitting.


Stagnating wages are not the same as what you said. Way to try and move the goalposts there, sparky. What you said is that if you reduce the cost of an employee, the company will use that as an excuse to pay their employees less. Now, try to defend that actual statement or admit that you were wrong.

As for the "pay you enough to keep you from quitting", so what? Do you regularly pay more for goods and services just because you can? If the exact same steak is available for $10/lb from one grocery store and $15/lb from another, do you pay $15/lb because you want the grocery to earn more?

If so, you're a fool. Businesses pay employees based on their replacement value and value to the company. If you can be replaced by someone willing to earn less money and they can still get the same work out of you, then that's what they'll do. And honestly, that's what they should do.

Student loans and grants may be one reason tuition has been increasing, but it is far from the only reason, which includes issues like decreased state funding and increased demand for degrees to get jobs. The other problem is that while more on the job training would decrease the need for college, companies tend to be pretty lazy in this regard and won't provide such training unless they are desperate for people.

Of course they wouldn't pay for it if they don't have to. Why do so when they can force you to pay for it?

As for reasons, I'd argue that it's the primary reason. The states could decrease funding because they knew that the feds were picking up the tab via these loans. The economics of an education have switched and aren't based in reality.
2012-06-04 09:29:44 AM
1 votes:

Gwyrddu: What this is the truth. Productivity has been increasing dramatically over time but wages have stagnated since the 70s. Companies never pay you what you are worth, they pay you just enough to keep you from quitting.


Companies pay you what their customers will pay them for your services. Companies do not, however, care what is in your paycheck. They worry about what they have to shell out to employ you. You paycheck may have stagnated but the amount of money it costs to employ you has not.

As to paying you just enough to keep you from quitting. That's another leftist fallacy. Companies earn a percentage of what it costs to employ you as profit. They will employ anyone who can make them money. Under that scenario, they would rather pay you and all your friends a million dollars apiece because 6% of a million is a lot more than 6% of minimum wage. And making a few buck off a thousand employees is a lot more than making a few bucks off a handful. They pay you whatever they can get their customers to pay them.
2012-06-04 09:17:51 AM
1 votes:

PanicMan: Bullseyed: Easy to do when college pays you to go to school there and you work anyway.

Where did you go to school, and what degree do you have?


Electrical Engineering + MBA
2012-06-04 09:10:02 AM
1 votes:

Gwyrddu: If social security didn't exist, companies would lower wages to compensate.


False. I know the leftists and the fatcat union bosses want you to believe that but employers will pay whatever it costs to employ someone and remain profitable. The sad fact now is that the government confiscates a substantial amount of that cost of employment. When health insurance is mandatory, that money is going to come out of the employee's pocket. I have worked in management in a number of different industries. We can afford to pay substantially more to employees in this country rather than outsource because we save a bunch in logistical and other costs. It is the fees and employment taxes that make domestic labor non-competitive. Consider that 15% of your paycheck goes to FICA (you pay roughly half, your employer must match that so it's a cost of employment that he wouldn't bear if he didn't hire you. It should be your money). If you took 15% of your wages for 40 years (an average working life) and put it and left it in a Dow Jones Index fund, regardless of the ups and downs of the market, at the end of 40 years you could draw your average salary for the rest of your life and not touch the principle. The principle could be passed on to your heirs. That is called wealth creation and it is why this country broke away from England. We got tired of "the nobility" deciding who could and could not acquire and maintain wealth. We got tired of royalty getting our estates during and after our lives. You apparently think that was a good system. You apparently don't think you are capable of handling your money or your life. Speak for yourself. The adults took care of themselves for generations before Social Security and we'd like the chance to do it again.

Gwyrddu: If the government didn't offer student loans and grants, a lot less people would go to college. That would mean a less educated workforce


Wrong again. I fail to see how degrees in any kind of ethnic studies or women's studies are ever going to be of value. I know a few art history majors that have gone on to brilliant (and profitable) careers as curators and other such jobs but don't count on it, any more than every guitar student is going to be the next Eric Clapton. Of course, we'd like our doctors, our civil engineers, and other such professionals to have degrees; even advanced degrees. Plumbers, Electricians, truck drivers, train engineers, etc. don't need college. Matter of fact, a degree is a waste of money for those professions - badly needed professions, I might add. The whole government backed student loan program is just another sop from government to academic elites, much as a lot of education funding does nothing for education but goes to support NEA and AFT.
2012-06-04 09:09:28 AM
1 votes:

LadyBelgara: Fear the Clam: Does anyone know when they changed the rules about elementary school cutoff dates? When I was a kid, just about everyone was 10 years old in 5th grade, and graduated when they were 17/18.

Nowadays it seems like everyone's been held back a year. I see this stuff about someone graduating college at age 22 and my first thought is "Are you slow or something?"

You're missing the part where a lot of people end up taking 5ish years to get their degree now.


Only the lazy/stupid people.


She was a party line libtard, so we already know the answer to half that.
2012-06-04 09:08:51 AM
1 votes:
The dead chick in question had all these things simultaneously, unlike me:

1. Physically attractiveness
2. Privilege
3. Youth
4. Empowerment to the point of arrogance

Likewise, I suspect this very same dead chick would have looked right through me if she passed me on the street in life. If she HAD been forced to speak to me for some reason, I strongly suspect she would have been condescending and got away at the first opportunity (as well as finding an excuse to mention her boyfriend within the first thirty seconds of conversation).

I suspect submitter is much like the dead chick, and hence finds tragedy in her premature passing. I do not.
2012-06-04 09:05:00 AM
1 votes:

OBBN: Ed Willy: I am 26, in student loan debt and often feel like there is no hope. I took a cross country trek for new job opportunities and even with a hub of alumni I can't find regular work. I don't know, for a while I've really given up on the idea that there are regular jobs that pay money and somewhere along the line the older generations broke the system and we are the first generation dealing with the blowback of it.

See, here is the thing. Every generation has blamed the previous one for it's problems. Newsflash, every generation does the best that it can. Sometimes it works out and sometimes it doesn't, but let's look back thirty or forty years from now and chances are your children will be blaming you and you generation for their problems as well.


Only the lazy part of every generation.
2012-06-04 09:01:11 AM
1 votes:

profplump: orbister: or simply a remarkable lack of self control

Exactly. Just like anyone without $100k in savings shows a remarkable lack of self control. Sure, it's a little easier for people who had rich parents, a sound financial education, and significant previous income, but it's certainly possible for any 27-year-old to have $100k in savings -- they could accomplish that simply by working for minimum wage since they were 15 and never spending a single dollar on anything like "food" or "sheller".

/ Or maybe your dismissal of fat people makes you a bad interviewer, and a detriment to your employer, just like any other non-work-related bias would


I'm 24, have an undergrad and masters, bought a house and have $50k in the stock market. I've been on my own financially since I turned 18.

Easy to do when college pays you to go to school there and you work anyway.
2012-06-04 08:55:34 AM
1 votes:

KrispyKritter: Ed Willy: I am 26, in student loan debt and often feel like there is no hope. I took a cross country trek for new job opportunities and even with a hub of alumni I can't find regular work. I don't know, for a while I've really given up on the idea that there are regular jobs that pay money and somewhere along the line the older generations broke the system and we are the first generation dealing with the blowback of it.

absolutely that's what happened. blame your lot in life on your parents & grand-parents. damn them and their dickish ways. all the good stuff is gone.


They call it the Obama defense.
2012-06-04 08:53:07 AM
1 votes:

eldritch2k4: MadSkillz: I'm stuck in a shiat job right now that I can't just leave because I'm fat (working on that) and it's impacting my interviewing.

You're fat...and it's impacting your interviewing...

What? Are you too fat to fit through the goddam office doors? Is walking from the front desk to the interviewer's office giving you a heart attack? Being fat isn't a barrier to a good career, unless you are trying to be a farking model for Calvin Klein.

Here's an idea: man up, Nancy, and admit that you have trouble interviewing because you suck at interviewing. It has nothing to do with your weight; you should be walking into job interviews, kicking the door in (figuratively) and declaring, "fark you, you farking farkers! I'm fatter than hell and I'll still kick any one of your skinny asses at this job! I'm gonna waddle my fat ass in here and, even through my wheezing, I'm gonna be the best goddam worker this place farking has. I'm gonna leave sweat stains and awesome all over this joint! I'm gonna so much fatty awesome, the motherfarker is gonna spontaneously burn to the farking ground and I'm gonna keep on farking working and the fire isn't going to affect my fat ass because every ounce of my fat ass oozes work ethic and fabulous!"

Yeah, I'm shiatting on you, but only because people coddling you and saying, "Oh, it will get better," isn't going to do shiat. shiat gets done when people get mad. So, get mad. Get mad at doing shiatty interviews. Get mad at having a shiatty job. fark, get mad at being fat. Hell, stand up on your desk at your current job, channel your inner Howard Beale and scream, "I'M MAD AS HELL AND I'M NOT GOING TO TAKE THIS ANYMORE!"

/best read in J.K. Simmons's voice


This may be the funniest, most inspiring, and disturbing post I have ever seen. Thank you.
2012-06-04 08:53:03 AM
1 votes:

zzrhardy: eldritch2k4: What? Are you too fat to fit through the goddam office doors?

No-one likes fat people, or ugly people. God help if your fat and ugly.

Doesn't matter if it is a girl, some person behind a counter, a client or a job interviewer. Your appearance dictates how everyone responds to you.

The general consensus is "go be fat somewhere else".


Fat people have already proven that they lack good decision making skills, among other things.
2012-06-04 08:50:37 AM
1 votes:

AverageAmericanGuy: It's sad this girl lost her life in an auto accident, but she wasn't wrong because her light was snuffed out so early.

Now she has no cares. She doesn't have to worry about making a good salary or wonder where to send her resume or how to climb the corporate ladder or wonder when she'll have time to climb Mt. Everest. She is dead and all those things are now meaningless to her. In Heaven with Jesus, she has all she ever could want.


She was the leader of the campus democrats. People who support abortion don't go to heaven, sorry.
2012-06-04 08:49:13 AM
1 votes:

Ed Willy: I am 26, in student loan debt and often feel like there is no hope. I took a cross country trek for new job opportunities and even with a hub of alumni I can't find regular work. I don't know, for a while I've really given up on the idea that there are regular jobs that pay money and somewhere along the line the older generations broke the system and we are the first generation dealing with the blowback of it.


Nope, it's just fine. You just don't have any useful skills. I had to let two companies fight over me once I finished school.

/24 and just bought a house. Will be debt free at 39 or less.
2012-06-04 08:45:25 AM
1 votes:

praxis44241: I know this is Fark, but that is truly heartbreaking story.


Oh so now the tingle-legged hippies like the 1%?

One less 1%er.
2012-06-04 08:42:38 AM
1 votes:

EatCritAndDie: So, reading the article, this girl's gushing doe-eyed message was proven wrong by harsh reality.
Yet, it somehow makes her more right.
Whatever, kids.


She was president of the campus democrat wankfest. Ergo her being proven wrong made her more awesome.

If she was the leader of the campus republicans she would have been lipstick on a dog big oil wrong.
2012-06-04 08:41:02 AM
1 votes:

Mr. Right: I'm one of the generation you think screwed you up. Actually, it my was Grandfather's generation. They started Social Security. That led people to believe that if they turned over control of their life to the government, the government would take care of them. So in the 60s my Dad's generation started Medicare and the Great Society and the War on Poverty. Also thrown into the mix was the notion that if you worked for a company for a few years, that company should add to your Social Security with a pension. All of these programs promise you security in exchange for giving up a substantial part of your income for your entire working life. In other words, you get paid only a portion of what you earn with a promise that, should you actually live long enough, Nanny State will take care of you. Of course, if Nanny is footing the bills, Nanny will decide what it is you get.


If social security didn't exist, companies would lower wages to compensate. Because even if you are special enough to think about retirement and plan accordingly (and be lucky enough that whatever risks you take with your money pan out if you want to increase your yield any), there are plenty of young people who won't who will gladly work for less because of it. Social security exists for a reason, and that reason is that people didn't plan their retirement or consider the worst case scenario, so it was cheaper to have SS than providing welfare to all the old people who couldn't afford to take care of themselves.

Your student loan debt is a great illustration. The government has convinced you that you needed a college education and that you deserve one. So they loan you the money - because everybody knows that colleges NEED to charge the exorbitant tuition rates they charge. You will then spend the next 20 years of your working life paying that off. While you are putting 15% of your income into FICA. And you will pay property taxes, income taxes - more than likely federal, state, and local - sales taxes and a host of other fees and taxes all of which take away from your ability to build wealth for yourself. Wealth that you could pass on to your heirs, should you be fortunate to have any. Instead, the government is gambling on the fact that you will die young so that all the money you put into the system stays there. Were you an ideal citizen, you would die after you have paid off all your loans but before you draw Social Security, pension, or qualify for Medicare. That will become the new definition of Patriotism.

If the government didn't offer student loans and grants, a lot less people would go to college. That would mean a less educated workforce. And since educated labor is a resource companies depend on, more companies would go overseas, and less companies would start up without the research universities provide. Before the government got involved, college was the domain for the rich or at least upper-middle class. And even now the people who get screwed are the ones who take out private loans, government loans by themselves aren't usually enough to break anyone.
2012-06-04 08:39:20 AM
1 votes:

eldritch2k4: orbister: zzrhardy:
For every top fat bloke with awesome skills, your got another 5 bitter fat blokes with chips on their shoulder and a nervous twitch.
Being fat is invariably a result of ignorance, stupidity or simply a remarkable lack of self control. These are not qualities any sensible interviewer looks for, even if there is a beautiful personality behind them.

Comments like this are invariably a result of ignorance or stupidity. Any sensible interviewer who sees a fat man walk into an interview overflowing with self-confidence realizes that, even though the fat ass might have made poor decisions earlier in life, they have learned from those lessons and don't let handicaps prevent them from excelling. This is a quality that all interviewers look for.


You're remarkably incorrect. You know what I think when I interview an obese person?

Nobody ever got a (gut,ass) like that from hustling.
2012-06-04 08:38:46 AM
1 votes:

i upped my meds-up yours: Animatronik: Because this is FARK, I can say what I'm thinking: if given a choice between being a progressive journalist living in New York and playwright, become the playwright; no one will notice that there's one less progressive journalist, and they aren't changing the world for the better, even less so when they seek out progressive enclaves in NYC, where they can hang out with other right-thinking people.

Actually, a lot of them are just there because media access is still chancey anywhere else. Especially for progressives.

/another large segment are there because they like the bagels.


Yes but good bagels, like good conversations, can be had outside of New York.

And you sort of made my point, which is that there's no shortage of progressive journalists these days. New York is so full of progressives it's overflowing. Kind of like personal injury lawyers in other cities. And a lot of them are progressives who came from somewhere else. The NYT used to present both sides of an issue, now it only does left and lefter.
2012-06-04 08:22:07 AM
1 votes:
But but but, the guidance counselor told me I could get a great paying job as long as I got a degree in what I love, and that's why I spent $147,000 getting my doctorate in Nigerian Womanyst studies.
2012-06-04 08:15:33 AM
1 votes:
Let's face it she was a blow hard liberal arts major writing for a student newspaper. She was, excuse the expression, dead wrong. Nothing ever published in the New Yorker has ever benefited anyone but the advertisers. It would have been a tragedy if she were a biology major going on to cure cancer or a physicist with a life of pushing back the frontiers of science ahead of her or even a computer science major putting out the next Photoshop or even iPhone app that helps people. At best she could have had a career putting bon mots in the mail boxes of over bred trustifarians every week. At worst she could have had a future of putting out self indulgent drivel like Updike, Cheevers or Proulx. No doubt they'll have no problem finding someone else with left wing bona fides to make coffee at the New Yorker or more likely ordering fair trade, organic, low carbon foot print lattes from the local douchebag coffee shop. She will not be missed by anyone but her friends and family.

10 to 1 the boyfriend was high as hell or they both were and the cops didn't do a tox screen as a political favor to his family. And she probably toed the party line on weed being a victimless crime etc. I did a google search and this is what came up.


Their daughter cared about whales (and wrote about it), the legalization of same-sex marriage, the decriminalization of marijuana and helping college-bound undocumented immigrants realize their dreams, according to her parents.


www.borbay.com
2012-06-04 08:11:40 AM
1 votes:
I love the insanity of this whole thread, and how it dissolves down into madness as soon as you really question this advice combined with your lives. You want a good piece of advice? Never stop learning. Keep making friends. Keep exploring. And whatever you do, never fail to do something simply because 'you're too old and it's too late.'

Oh, and here's another one: stop with the whole 'I'm supposed to be here by this age' bullshiat. Nothing is more destructive than playing with an idealized world that, by definition, can never exist.
2012-06-04 07:55:36 AM
1 votes:
I'm not sure this advice applies to 22 year olds who are not graduates of Ivy League universities.

Ages 18-26 is when most people make the contacts that are going to see them through the rest of their careers. Most of the successful people I know started with a college internship, were hired by the company where they interned, stayed there for 5-15 years, and that was the foundation of their career. Most of these people are still working with people they knew in college. The people who failed to follow this trajectory are struggling.

Sure, this is an extremely discouraging piece of news, completely at odds with what a lot of us have been told. But it is what I have observed.
2012-06-04 07:51:40 AM
1 votes:

Ed Willy: I am 26, in student loan debt and often feel like there is no hope. I took a cross country trek for new job opportunities and even with a hub of alumni I can't find regular work. I don't know, for a while I've really given up on the idea that there are regular jobs that pay money and somewhere along the line the older generations broke the system and we are the first generation dealing with the blowback of it.


The problem with your alumni hub is that it's from the state up north. Srsly. That's likely also a contributor to your problems finding work. That state is a failure, economically.

Did you at least get a useful degree?

Lastly, you've got no understanding of financial crises and living with the blowback. All that comment showed was your complete lack of historical knowledge. That could also be an indicator as to why you're having problems finding gainful employment.
2012-06-04 07:13:48 AM
1 votes:
Idiot boyfriend was too smart and special for speed limits?

/Darwin was watching, clever boy.
2012-06-04 06:58:19 AM
1 votes:
This really makes me cringe - we all know she probably said something like "Noooo!" or "Ow, my neck!", and yet we all pretend that her last words were some from some lame speech she gave.
2012-06-04 06:17:24 AM
1 votes:

orbister: zzrhardy:
For every top fat bloke with awesome skills, your got another 5 bitter fat blokes with chips on their shoulder and a nervous twitch.
Being fat is invariably a result of ignorance, stupidity or simply a remarkable lack of self control. These are not qualities any sensible interviewer looks for, even if there is a beautiful personality behind them.


That's not true. A weight issue could be about a lot of things that have nothing to do with anything work related. e.g. childhood abuse (i'm just trying to make a point). A person man have issues that lead them to over eat that nobody needs to understand or even question. Just judge the work and the references.

Also, pretty people can be evil incarnate (as well as experts at getting everyone else to do the work for them and then take all the credit - I see that all the time).
2012-06-04 05:56:43 AM
1 votes:

zzrhardy: Ed Willy: older generations broke the system and we are the first generation dealing with the blowback of it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_economic_crises


The point in any "generation" rant/whine at which the snowflake in question asserts that their "generation" is the "first" to go through something or other is usually the point where I stop reading.
It's really difficult to imagine that any literate person could be that stupid.
2012-06-04 05:35:04 AM
1 votes:

MadSkillz: I'm stuck in a shiat job right now that I can't just leave because I'm fat (working on that) and it's impacting my interviewing.


Unless you're a woman (which your profile implies you are not), or in one of a very few weight-concious industries (which your profile indicates you are not), statistics suggest that your weight is not a significant hindrance to employment or career advancement. I don't know your situation, so I won't call you a liar, but I'd suggest your concern over your weight is may be a bigger issue than your actual weight.

/ If you're asking potential employers to buy 2 plane seats for your interview you can disregard what I said
// I am also quite the fatty, and recently changed jobs, without any trouble about my weight
2012-06-04 05:16:29 AM
1 votes:

pedobearapproved: also does anyone else find this speech... in need of Prozac? What college senior has that notion (I know I didn't)? This is also for students at YALE. You know, the people that have the advantage over everyone else. Was she in therapy? was this notion from her group? And if 22 is too late to start, what was the consensus age to start if you want to do anything meaningful?

"I'm about to graduate, I don't think I'll get a job doing something I love, I know I haven't tried, but I'm so depressed!"


That's how I felt when I was graduating college. I felt like I was so behind and lacked experience. It seemed like everyone else had done so much more than me. It might sound ridiculous, but what she said is exactly how I felt at her age. Lol, I still feel like that though so I guess it's just part of my personality - although now it's more of a reality seeing as I'm now 31 and am back in college for another degree :P.
2012-06-04 05:11:52 AM
1 votes:
also does anyone else find this speech... in need of Prozac? What college senior has that notion (I know I didn't)? This is also for students at YALE. You know, the people that have the advantage over everyone else. Was she in therapy? was this notion from her group? And if 22 is too late to start, what was the consensus age to start if you want to do anything meaningful?

"I'm about to graduate, I don't think I'll get a job doing something I love, I know I haven't tried, but I'm so depressed!"
2012-06-04 04:56:36 AM
1 votes:

Ed Willy: I am 26, in student loan debt and often feel like there is no hope. I took a cross country trek for new job opportunities and even with a hub of alumni I can't find regular work. I don't know, for a while I've really given up on the idea that there are regular jobs that pay money and somewhere along the line the older generations broke the system and we are the first generation dealing with the blowback of it.


also what did you study in school where you can't find any suitable job cross-country?
2012-06-04 04:51:52 AM
1 votes:
This hits somewhat close to home. High school graduation and we all went up to a friends cabin for a classwide celebration. Most of us got totally smashed. This kid Aaron, who was a real straight arrow, didn't have a sip to drink. When he left, he took a turn down a hill too fast and ran head on into an 18 wheeler and died on impact. The guy passed out beside him walked away with a black eye.

That really sobered up our graduating class to the fragility of life.
2012-06-04 04:48:43 AM
1 votes:

orbister: zzrhardy:
For every top fat bloke with awesome skills, your got another 5 bitter fat blokes with chips on their shoulder and a nervous twitch.
Being fat is invariably a result of ignorance, stupidity or simply a remarkable lack of self control. These are not qualities any sensible interviewer looks for, even if there is a beautiful personality behind them.


Comments like this are invariably a result of ignorance or stupidity. Any sensible interviewer who sees a fat man walk into an interview overflowing with self-confidence realizes that, even though the fat ass might have made poor decisions earlier in life, they have learned from those lessons and don't let handicaps prevent them from excelling. This is a quality that all interviewers look for.
2012-06-04 04:33:56 AM
1 votes:

zzrhardy:
For every top fat bloke with awesome skills, your got another 5 bitter fat blokes with chips on their shoulder and a nervous twitch.

Being fat is invariably a result of ignorance, stupidity or simply a remarkable lack of self control. These are not qualities any sensible interviewer looks for, even if there is a beautiful personality behind them.
2012-06-04 04:18:45 AM
1 votes:

eldritch2k4: Beautiful people don't have to cultivate a good personality growing up because they can coast through the first 30 or so years of their life on their looks


The old saying is "beauty is only skin deep, but ugly goes right to the bone".

Being fat and ugly breaks a lot of people emotionally. There is a lot of damage that is picked up by going through life as a 3rd class citizen.

For every top fat bloke with awesome skills, your got another 5 bitter fat blokes with chips on their shoulder and a nervous twitch.

I am in a psychiatric hospital right now, and let me tell you everyone is a fat fark in here. And butt ugly. It goes with the territory.
2012-06-04 04:14:42 AM
1 votes:
At 22, I was too stupid to stress (in the Army then), and 20 years later, I have no reason to (except for the cardio portion of the rules for Zombie Apocalypse).
2012-06-04 04:06:41 AM
1 votes:

dopeydwarf: MadSkillz: Kinda sad. Stuff happens. That people stress at age 22 about being too old for anything surprises me.

I'm 34. I know there are limits for me. But at 22, there were none.

Dude, you're 34. Start worrying about limits when you're pushing 50.


I'm 47 and starting my third career. Jesus, people, it's not like we all die at 30 nowadays.
2012-06-04 03:17:20 AM
1 votes:

Ed Willy: I am 26, in student loan debt and often feel like there is no hope. I took a cross country trek for new job opportunities and even with a hub of alumni I can't find regular work. I don't know, for a while I've really given up on the idea that there are regular jobs that pay money and somewhere along the line the older generations broke the system and we are the first generation dealing with the blowback of it.


You can find something.. what did you get your degree in? Mine was in Biology. Christ. I had it good right out of university but never found another job in my field. Took a lot of school again, now 34, tomorrow is my last exam for accounting hopefully ever (or until December if I have to repeat it... i'm not having awesome feelings about this exam but i never do).

I hope once I'm done and get certified as a CGA I can pull in more than what i'm making, which is a pittance.

You have to keep trying, and remember that noone will give you a job based on your schooling alone. it's all your experience that will keep the ball rolling.

Find out if you can volunteer or intern somewhere, get a side job driving pizzas, whatever, anything to get some cash in. And you will be okay.
2012-06-04 03:12:37 AM
1 votes:
It's sad this girl lost her life in an auto accident, but she wasn't wrong because her light was snuffed out so early.

Now she has no cares. She doesn't have to worry about making a good salary or wonder where to send her resume or how to climb the corporate ladder or wonder when she'll have time to climb Mt. Everest. She is dead and all those things are now meaningless to her. In Heaven with Jesus, she has all she ever could want.
2012-06-04 03:11:21 AM
1 votes:
Ironic tag inconsolable.
2012-06-04 03:10:46 AM
1 votes:

praxis44241: I know this is Fark, but that is truly heartbreaking story.


Not to mention bones
2012-06-04 03:06:06 AM
1 votes:
Should have stuck with sunscreen
2012-06-04 03:03:59 AM
1 votes:
40 and studying for a total career change.

The only acknowledgement I made to my age is that I stay working full time and study part time.
2012-06-04 02:56:49 AM
1 votes:
blog.timesunion.com

We're INVINCIBLE!!
2012-06-04 02:49:04 AM
1 votes:
I thought it was "Hold mah beer, I wanna try somethin'"?
2012-06-04 02:37:33 AM
1 votes:
22 years old and dies in a farking auto accident.....

That blows.
2012-06-04 01:37:54 AM
1 votes:

dopeydwarf: MadSkillz: Kinda sad. Stuff happens. That people stress at age 22 about being too old for anything surprises me.

I'm 34. I know there are limits for me. But at 22, there were none.

Dude, you're 34. Start worrying about limits when you're pushing 50.


I'm acutely aware that at this point, I need to be paying into a place to live so I build equity, that I need to be saving for retirement... however, I'm stuck in a shiat job right now that I can't just leave because I'm fat (working on that) and it's impacting my interviewing.
2012-06-04 01:08:29 AM
1 votes:
Kinda sad. Stuff happens. That people stress at age 22 about being too old for anything surprises me.

I'm 34. I know there are limits for me. But at 22, there were none.
 
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