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2012-06-04 12:28:39 AM  
I'm at the movies to suspend reality, not tear the movie apart. Kick back and relax, you sound wound too tight.
 
2012-06-04 01:00:46 AM  
I tried to tell a chemistry joke once. I got no reaction.

Farking science.
 
2012-06-04 01:08:43 AM  

basemetal: I'm at the movies to suspend reality, not tear the movie apart. Kick back and relax, you sound wound too tight.


Just repeat to yourself, 'it's just a show, I should really just relax.'
 
2012-06-04 01:41:43 AM  
FTFA:
5. Star Trek
Claim: Spaceships can use wormholes to traverse space


The ships use a warp drive. Which is possible.
 
2012-06-04 03:12:49 AM  
So spaghettification is a proper scientific term now? Harrumph!
 
2012-06-04 04:28:16 AM  
Soooo, that's why I need gas to drive my car?!? Thanks, Fox News, for keeping me informed.
 
2012-06-04 04:33:12 AM  
Was that a spoiler for Prometheus, a movie that hasn't even come out here yet?
 
2012-06-04 04:36:36 AM  

TsarTom: basemetal: I'm at the movies to suspend reality, not tear the movie apart. Kick back and relax, you sound wound too tight.

Just repeat to yourself, 'it's just a show, I should really just relax.'


It's why I usually ignore critics, I give public rotten tomatoes reviews more credence than any critic.
 
2012-06-04 04:39:17 AM  
The multi-universe theory is well-established in science -- it's just unprovable.

Well that's a very reasonable and scientific way of looking at things. "I think there are gremlins living on Venus in secret underground cities! Hey, how are you gonna prove me wrong, smart guy?!"
 
2012-06-04 04:57:28 AM  
OK, which one of you clowns put fiction in my Sci-Fi???
 
2012-06-04 04:58:23 AM  
Because if anyone knows what goes on in the mind of a scientist, it's farking fox news
 
2012-06-04 05:01:33 AM  

Ayn Rand's Cervix: Because if anyone knows what goes on in the mind of a scientist, it's farking fox news


If you read the article, they actually asked scientists for their opinions.

/I know, let me guess: "Those aren't real scientists, duuuuuude!"
 
2012-06-04 05:08:29 AM  

basemetal: I'm at the movies to suspend reality, not tear the movie apart. Kick back and relax, you sound wound too tight.


A movie should have to earn this right. If you go into every movie suspending disbelief, you're gladly helping lower the standards of entertainment. Besides, I'm 100% certain you don't go into every movie willing to suspend disbelief. Do you suspend disbelief for romantic comedies? Biographies that stretch the truth? What about movies made from books you really like?

I gladly check my brain for movies that earn it - movies that are more fun than they are stupid (e.g., "Die Hard," "The Transporter," "Desperado"). But movies that insult my intelligence by being ridiculous and treating me like an idiot don't get a "suspend reality" pass (e.g., all "Die Hard" and "Transporter" and "Depserado" sequels, all of which are 10 times more half-baked and imbecilic than they are entertaining).
 
2012-06-04 05:14:18 AM  
Yet molecular biologists who study DNA say there is one common ancestor for all organic life on Earth.

Why is this an argument against panspermia? Heredity isn't thought to have begun for the first billion years of life, giving more of a grove than tree of life and not one singular ancestor but a common initial pool. I do not consider panspermia a useful or frankly interesting hypothesis (not much of a theory, lack of specific predictions or a framework which explains data), but this is not an argument against. Besides, why wouldn't the life aliens deposited have evolved to form the aliens and thereafter evolved to form us? Were we able to deposit life elsewhere, what we would would deposit would have the same genetic markers which indicate a common ancestry as what we see on Earth because those would be the same organisms.

Dammit Fox, you're making me defend panspermia. Also, I am saying "panspermia" and "deposit" too much, which makes me giggle.
 
Skr
2012-06-04 05:18:41 AM  
'K. Going to have that song stuck in my head for a bit.



♪If you're wondering how he eats and breathes
And other science facts,♫
 
2012-06-04 05:35:17 AM  
I was pissed off for the majority of MIB3 because the people next to me pointed out (minor intro spoiler)that Boris would not be able to speak and be heard on the moon. He's an alien outside of the remains of an oxygenated moon jail dammit!
 
2012-06-04 06:00:02 AM  

100 Watt Walrus: basemetal: I'm at the movies to suspend reality, not tear the movie apart. Kick back and relax, you sound wound too tight.

A movie should have to earn this right. If you go into every movie suspending disbelief, you're gladly helping lower the standards of entertainment. Besides, I'm 100% certain you don't go into every movie willing to suspend disbelief. Do you suspend disbelief for romantic comedies? Biographies that stretch the truth? What about movies made from books you really like?


I don't really suspend my disbelief or "turn off my brain" when I go to movies, but I'm also not nearly as pedantic as the quotes in TFA; a lot of them seem to be missing the "What If?" aspect of the movies.
 
2012-06-04 06:45:08 AM  

unlikely: FTFA:
5. Star Trek
Claim: Spaceships can use wormholes to traverse space

The ships use a warp drive. Which is possible.


Not to mention that the DS9 wormhole was created and maintained by aliens.

/stupid scientists
 
2012-06-04 06:56:27 AM  

Oysterman: Boris would not be able to speak and be heard on the moon. He's an alien outside of the remains of an oxygenated moon jail dammit!


It's those kinds of mistakes that are annoying. Suspension of disbelief for sci-fi stuff is one thing but if they're going to break the laws of physics, they have to at least give a half assed explanation.

Most of the points in TFA are sci-fi stuff that you have to believe for the purposes of the story but having air on the moon and not explaining is just bad writing. It's like when Superman's cape flutters in the wind when he's in space. Being asked to believe there's an alien from a place called Krypton is one thing, air in space is completely different.
 
2012-06-04 07:32:06 AM  
#1 obviously scientist has not watched the award winning documentary series of life on earth,"Ancient Aliens". scientists dabble in theories they like to call facts.

#3 maybe if some bona fide scientists spent a few minutes visiting some web sites and educating people about the Hadron Collider there would be fewer batshiat crazy conspiracy types who think the HC is going to end all of mankind.

several scientific equipment compounds and their purposes scare the hell out of conspiracy and survivalist types on many websites i've visited. someone really should share the truth with these tin hats so they at least have a chance at normalcy. i understand the bulk of the paranoid would stand unwavering in their beliefs, but we may be able to save a couple of them.
 
2012-06-04 07:36:02 AM  
A movie has two obligations as far as I am concerned.

1. Establish the rules of the universe in which the universe exists

2. Follow those rules.

I don't care if you tell me cats and dogs are living together, I'll buy it, just don't tell me later that they are not.
 
2012-06-04 07:46:01 AM  

llort dam eht: A movie has two obligations as far as I am concerned.

1. Establish the rules of the universe in which the universe exists

2. Follow those rules.

I don't care if you tell me cats and dogs are living together, I'll buy it, just don't tell me later that they are not.

thelifestyleconcept.files.wordpress.com
Or you can make a mess and call it "art".
/And I generally like Jackman
 
2012-06-04 07:52:30 AM  
Note: Movies do not operate on all of the same rules as our contemporary understanding of the universe.

Note to idiots: Shut up.
 
2012-06-04 07:53:51 AM  

unlikely: FTFA:
5. Star Trek
Claim: Spaceships can use wormholes to traverse space

The ships use a warp drive. Which is possible.


They do occasionally use wormholes.

More importantly though, they spoiled Prometheus!
 
2012-06-04 08:15:31 AM  
That list was even dumber than Battleship.
 
2012-06-04 08:17:06 AM  
www.ar15.com
 
2012-06-04 08:32:33 AM  
Whatever. The handwringing on this topic will go on as long as there are movies. I, for one, am just happy to see 2012 as the year where we finally have a "summer blockbuser season" worthy of the name (Avengers, Prometheus, DKR). It's been a long dry spell.
 
2012-06-04 08:36:19 AM  
The Avengers
Claim: A self-sustaining orb can open a channel across the universe



dribbble.com


Stupid orbs.
 
2012-06-04 08:36:20 AM  

browntimmy: Was that a spoiler for Prometheus, a movie that hasn't even come out here yet?


That part was already spoiled in the trailers when they said whoever left the "invitation" were the "architects" of us.

I'm still trying to figure out how the theory that a meteorite deposited life on the Earth is that much different than an alien spacecraft doing that same thing. The latter just requires the assumption of alien life capable of space travel. While I can see why scientists go with the meteorite instead, the movie is kind of already dependent on there being such aliens.
 
2012-06-04 08:45:39 AM  
I think FOX's lesson here is that listening to science means you will have no fun. Stupid science.
 
2012-06-04 08:50:00 AM  
The first one isn't really laughable because it's really plausible because with our technology we could seed a planet or moon.
 
2012-06-04 08:53:53 AM  
A few more nitpicks about TFA:

Angels & Demons did not say the LHC could directly cause any kind of explosion, definitely not a nuclear one. It posited that it could create and capture antimatter, which it actually appears to be able to do (at least briefly). It seems the movie just exaggerated the amount created/captured, the amount of time it can be held, and possibly the resulting effects of a matter/antimatter annihilation.

As for the Avengers, wasn't it the brilliant scientist, Hawkeye, who pointed out that the Tesseract was a doorway? Wouldn't it just be pulling power from the other end? The only issue would be whether or not it was truly unlimited power, but that is more an argument about whatever lies on the other side of the Tesseract.
 
2012-06-04 09:25:36 AM  

davideggy: A few more nitpicks about TFA:

Angels & Demons did not say the LHC could directly cause any kind of explosion, definitely not a nuclear one. It posited that it could create and capture antimatter, which it actually appears to be able to do (at least briefly). It seems the movie just exaggerated the amount created/captured, the amount of time it can be held, and possibly the resulting effects of a matter/antimatter annihilation.

As for the Avengers, wasn't it the brilliant scientist, Hawkeye, who pointed out that the Tesseract was a doorway? Wouldn't it just be pulling power from the other end? The only issue would be whether or not it was truly unlimited power, but that is more an argument about whatever lies on the other side of the Tesseract.



"The Cosmic Cube is actually a containment device created by various civilizations throughout the Marvel Universe at various times, including the Skrulls (creators of the Cube that would eventually evolve into the Shaper of Worlds), and various other, unnamed civilizations (whose Cubes were gathered/stolen by unknown means by The Magus in the Infinity War story arc and The Goddess in the Infinity Crusade story arc). These matrices-which may or may not actually be shaped like a cube-are suffused with reality-warping energies of unknown composition that comes from the realm of the Beyonders.
Unknown to almost everyone in the Marvel Universe, including its creators, the nature of the mysterious energies are such that, after a sufficient but undefined period of time, the matrix will become self-aware and evolve into an independent, free-willed being still possessed of the original Cube's tremendous powers; the new being's overall personality is psychically imprinted with the beliefs, desires, and personalities of those who wielded it as a Cube (for example, the Shaper of Worlds, wielded for a long time by an insane and warlike Skrull Emperor, immediately destroyed a large portion of the galaxy that it was located in once it became sentient).
On Earth, the Cosmic Cube containment matrix was developed and created by a society of para-military scientists known as A.I.M. to further their ultimate goal of world conquest. The object is revealed to be so powerful that it drove MODOK-another A.I.M. creation who assisted with the formation of the Cube-insane. Master villain and former Nazi the Red Skull obtains the device after taking control of the mind of the A.I.M agent holding it using a handheld device. Although apparently now all-powerful, the Skull became overconfident and was tricked and defeated by hero Captain America, who pretended to surrender and ask to be the Skull's slave, then knocked the Cube away, causing it to fall into the ocean.[2] It was found by Prince Namor after Hercules accidentally revealed it to him, but while battling the Avengers he lost contact with it, and it fell into the Earth. Mole Man found it, but threw it away not realizing its true value.[3] Later a shard of the Cube is also used by A.I.M. to power the android known as the Super-Adaptoid, who is sent in an unsuccessful attempt to kill Captain America.[4]"
 
2012-06-04 09:34:03 AM  
8. Jurassic Park
Claim: Frozen DNA can be used to make new dinosaurs
The classic summer movie, and in some ways the one that started it all,


Author of TFA must have been born in 1990

/fun fact: it has been longer since the release of Jurassic Park than the span on time between that movie and the release of Jaws
//now don't you feel old?
 
2012-06-04 09:46:26 AM  

Oysterman: I was pissed off for the majority of MIB3 because the people next to me pointed out (minor intro spoiler)that Boris would not be able to speak and be heard on the moon. He's an alien outside of the remains of an oxygenated moon jail dammit!


Plus he was standing next to an Eagle lander, with the ascent stage still sitting there. What Apollo mission got stranded on the moon?
 
2012-06-04 09:52:40 AM  

DeaH: I think FOX's lesson here is that listening to science means you will have no fun. Stupid science.


God did it applies to real life, not movies.

Movies have to be scientifically accurate, but reality is subject to God's whims, and therefore science is irrelevant.
 
2012-06-04 09:59:29 AM  

Vash's Apprentice:
[thelifestyleconcept.files.wordpress.com image 300x424]
Or you can make a mess and call it "art".
/And I generally like Jackman


Ugh, i can't believe I watched that whole thing expecting it to get better sometime.
 
2012-06-04 10:08:49 AM  
The movies in question all have one thing going for them. They are in their own little universes and they exist in that universe.

1. Prometheus
Claim: Aliens planted DNA that formed the first multi-cell organisms

This makes sense when it comes down to an actual scientific theory. How many times have we heard the argument that aliens seeded our planet on the History Channel?

/sarcasm off

2. Men in Black 3
Claim: Characters can travel in time between multiple universes

Once again, I have read some pretty interesting theories on the idea of a multivurse. So why can't we find a way to jump from one area or time and space to another?

3. Angels & Demons
Claim: The Large Hadron Collider (LHC) will cause a massive explosion

I do not know much about the LHC to comment on this.

4. The Avengers
Claim: A self-sustaining orb can open a channel across the universe

The Cosmic cube was created by a life form above our own. Plan and simple.

5. Star Trek
Claim: Spaceships can use wormholes to traverse space

As said above, they use warp drive to traverse space and not wormholes. And last I heard, Einstein said that wormholes could possibly exist.

6. The Matrix
Claim: Humans make great batteries

Why not... we make a lot of heat and can generate electricity through our bodies via our nervous system.

7. Total Recall 2012
Claim: Memories can be implanted in your brain

That happens in modern day when you can trick someone into thinking they were at an event.

8. Jurassic Park
Claim: Frozen DNA can be used to make new dinosaurs

I thought I read some where that they have found some skin from the ice ages and so forth that could have DNA on it. So why not?

Most importantly though... They are movies and I want to watch them to get out of the real world.
 
2012-06-04 10:09:00 AM  

llort dam eht: A movie has two obligations as far as I am concerned.

1. Establish the rules of the universe in which the universe exists

2. Follow those rules.

I don't care if you tell me cats and dogs are living together, I'll buy it, just don't tell me later that they are not.


THIS

I have far less problem with sci-fi hacker bullshiat (2 kids create Kelly Le Brock by hacking into a supercomputer) than real-world hacker bullshiat (hacker runs a password cracker that shows each character as it works out what it is).
 
2012-06-04 10:20:44 AM  
3. Angels & Demons
Claim: The Large Hadron Collider (LHC) will cause a massive explosion Angels & Demons is worth going to the theater and paying money to watch it


I can't believe The Day After Tomorrow wasn't on this list. Beyond the absurdity of the premise (whose scientific inaccuracy was a source of unintentional entertainment on it's own), the movie is completely filled from beginning to end with head-scratching moments. Forgiving for the moment how a Russian ship managed to drift all the way to flooded New York, it manages to come to a full stop after getting snagged on a city bus? That's like an up-armored Humvee pancaking against a ball of aluminum-foil. And the panicked "run away from the cold" must have been the inspiration for The Happening's "run away from the wind" scene, which should also be on this list.
 
2012-06-04 10:22:37 AM  

yves0010: Why not... we make a lot of heat and can generate electricity through our bodies via our nervous system.


But the heat that we generate comes from the fuel that we put in. I'd like to think that a supercomputer would work out to just use cattle. About zero chance of them figuring out how to hack in.

It don't bother me. I can still enjoy The Matrix, but the science is a bit ropey, even in its own universe.
 
2012-06-04 10:25:29 AM  
I liken it to "the uncany valley" concept. The closer something is to well known or established scientific facts, The more our brains tend to call bullshiat.

Spaceships flying around via warp drive? OK.

Making an atomic bomb more powerful by strapping some spare plutonium to the casing (fark you The Core)? Not so much.
 
2012-06-04 10:45:12 AM  

farkeruk: yves0010: Why not... we make a lot of heat and can generate electricity through our bodies via our nervous system.

But the heat that we generate comes from the fuel that we put in. I'd like to think that a supercomputer would work out to just use cattle. About zero chance of them figuring out how to hack in.

It don't bother me. I can still enjoy The Matrix, but the science is a bit ropey, even in its own universe.


I know.. I was referring to the idea that it could be possible. Who knows how man acted in the prewar days outside the Animatrix. We could of nuked all the cows before nuking the bots.
 
2012-06-04 11:35:38 AM  

yves0010: farkeruk: yves0010: Why not... we make a lot of heat and can generate electricity through our bodies via our nervous system.

But the heat that we generate comes from the fuel that we put in. I'd like to think that a supercomputer would work out to just use cattle. About zero chance of them figuring out how to hack in.

It don't bother me. I can still enjoy The Matrix, but the science is a bit ropey, even in its own universe.

I know.. I was referring to the idea that it could be possible. Who knows how man acted in the prewar days outside the Animatrix. We could of nuked all the cows before nuking the bots.


It all makes sense in the short story. Plus there are aliens and space battles, so its got that going for it.
 
2012-06-04 11:45:13 AM  

Methadone Girls: I tried to tell a chemistry joke once. I got no reaction.

Farking science.


Sounds like you could have used a catalyst to get things started.
 
2012-06-04 11:46:02 AM  

Mugato: Oysterman: Boris would not be able to speak and be heard on the moon. He's an alien outside of the remains of an oxygenated moon jail dammit!

It's those kinds of mistakes that are annoying. Suspension of disbelief for sci-fi stuff is one thing but if they're going to break the laws of physics, they have to at least give a half assed explanation.

Most of the points in TFA are sci-fi stuff that you have to believe for the purposes of the story but having air on the moon and not explaining is just bad writing. It's like when Superman's cape flutters in the wind when he's in space. Being asked to believe there's an alien from a place called Krypton is one thing, air in space is completely different.


Oh, and I supposed the next thing you're gonna tell me is that tie-fighters and x-wing fighters don't make those cool sounds in space, or that we wouldn't be able to see those explosions?
 
2012-06-04 12:08:28 PM  

farkeruk: yves0010: Why not... we make a lot of heat and can generate electricity through our bodies via our nervous system.

But the heat that we generate comes from the fuel that we put in. I'd like to think that a supercomputer would work out to just use cattle. About zero chance of them figuring out how to hack in.

It don't bother me. I can still enjoy The Matrix, but the science is a bit ropey, even in its own universe.


I read somewhere that the original idea was that the machines were using humans as cheap processing power, but someone at the studio thought that it would go over the audience's heads.

Similarly, there was a scene cut from ID4 that explained that earth computer tech was reverse engineered off of the crashed spaceship from Roswell. This made planting the virus in the alien mothership a lot more reasonable, since it would be no more of a stretch than someone in China hacking the Pentagon with a pirated version of Windows running on a cheap Chinese laptop using knockoff x86 chips (which I'm sure is attempted on an hourly basis).
 
2012-06-04 12:14:58 PM  

DontMakeMeComeBackThere: I liken it to "the uncany valley" concept. The closer something is to well known or established scientific facts, The more our brains tend to call bullshiat.

Spaceships flying around via warp drive? OK.

Making an atomic bomb more powerful by strapping some spare plutonium to the casing (fark you The Core)? Not so much.


It doesn't work for a fission bomb, but can't you theoretically chain together stages of a thermonuclear bomb, like what the Soviets did with the Tear Bombs? They probably completely failed at this in the script, but thermonuclear bombs are going to give you a lot more bang for your buck anyway, so it makes no sense to be using fission bombs in the first place.
 
2012-06-04 12:20:44 PM  

Mad_Radhu: farkeruk: yves0010: Why not... we make a lot of heat and can generate electricity through our bodies via our nervous system.

But the heat that we generate comes from the fuel that we put in. I'd like to think that a supercomputer would work out to just use cattle. About zero chance of them figuring out how to hack in.

It don't bother me. I can still enjoy The Matrix, but the science is a bit ropey, even in its own universe.

I read somewhere that the original idea was that the machines were using humans as cheap processing power, but someone at the studio thought that it would go over the audience's heads.

Similarly, there was a scene cut from ID4 that explained that earth computer tech was reverse engineered off of the crashed spaceship from Roswell. This made planting the virus in the alien mothership a lot more reasonable, since it would be no more of a stretch than someone in China hacking the Pentagon with a pirated version of Windows running on a cheap Chinese laptop using knockoff x86 chips (which I'm sure is attempted on an hourly basis).


Actually, the official deleted scene explains that he, Jeff Goldblum's character, was able to interact and write the alien virus due to his knowledge in breaking their signal code. It also established that part you said in the movie when they first saw the ship. I think the wacked scientist made mention of that when he was walking down the isle with the group. Something like "everything you know came from this ship."
 
2012-06-04 01:53:23 PM  

yves0010: 3. Angels & Demons
Claim: The Large Hadron Collider (LHC) will cause a massive explosion

I do not know much about the LHC to comment on this.


I will admit to having read the book only so I can comment on this... spoiler(like anyone cares..): The LHC is being used to create anti-matter which is stored in portable electromagnetic containment cells. One of them is stolen and placed under the Vatican and must be found before its battery dies and the antimatter is allowed to contact normal matter and cause a huge explosion. Also, Robert Langdon uses a piece of sheet metal as a parachute.
 
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