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(YouTube)   I said, DEAF 2-YEAR-OLD BOY HEARS HIS MOTHER'S VOICE FOR THE FIRST TIME   ( youtube.com) divider line
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2012-06-03 09:34:08 PM  
*sniff*

Damned allergies!
 
2012-06-03 10:00:21 PM  
The school I worked at for the last three years housed a DHH program where several of the students had cochlear implants. The implants don't repair hearing the way glasses can repair vision, but they still work wonders. It was great to see the kids' progress from Kindergartners who had a hard time communicating and following into thriving members of their classroom communities. They still have a hard time with certain things, to be sure, but this technology is a huge leap forward.
 
2012-06-03 10:09:24 PM  
That was a good find, Subby.
 
2012-06-03 10:14:42 PM  
i saw this like two days ago, very sweet
 
2012-06-03 10:28:23 PM  
It's getting awful dusty in here.
 
2012-06-03 10:48:11 PM  
And this, dear friends, is what "Unadulterated Joy"™ looks like. Just as a point of reference.
 
2012-06-03 11:13:39 PM  
The little shiate will undoubtably join a garage band and blow his gift away.

- Speaking from experience.
 
2012-06-03 11:21:54 PM  
2,477 likes, 47 dislikes

Jesus farking christ.. REALLY?
 
2012-06-03 11:31:38 PM  
Wonderful.
 
2012-06-03 11:32:49 PM  

styckx: 2,477 likes, 47 dislikes

Jesus farking christ.. REALLY?


Those are probably the Farkers who show up in every airplane thread to complain about people who dare to bring their children onboard.
 
2012-06-03 11:35:27 PM  

coco ebert: styckx: 2,477 likes, 47 dislikes

Jesus farking christ.. REALLY?

Those are probably the Farkers who show up in every airplane thread to complain about people who dare to bring their children onboard.


I suspect they're actually the people who don't like "Cooper" as a first name.
 
2012-06-03 11:42:47 PM  

coco ebert: styckx: 2,477 likes, 47 dislikes

Jesus farking christ.. REALLY?

Those are probably the Farkers who show up in every airplane thread to complain about people who dare to bring their children onboard.


Surely you're not serious.
 
2012-06-03 11:46:22 PM  
www.utsouthwestern.edu

GIS for Cochlear Implant

Link

Please delete if NSFW
 
2012-06-03 11:47:17 PM  
Subby, why is the headline in all caps? The boy weren't deaf.
 
2012-06-03 11:48:05 PM  
Isn't rather.

I mean he can hear now.
 
2012-06-03 11:49:21 PM  
His moderately perturbed pinball playing has been downgraded to slightly miffed.
 
2012-06-04 12:06:24 AM  
Nice story, however the chestnut of the headline is now so aged it has become petrified. Seriously, do all headlines about deaf people have to use the ALL CAPS joke?

i.imgur.com
 
2012-06-04 12:17:55 AM  

jimmyego: Nice story, however the chestnut of the headline is now so aged it has become petrified. Seriously, do all headlines about deaf people have to use the ALL CAPS joke?

[i.imgur.com image 640x38]


Actually, it's usually blind people. I was wondering why they used it for a deaf person joke.
 
2012-06-04 12:30:06 AM  

styckx: 2,477 likes, 47 dislikes

Jesus farking christ.. REALLY?


I've actually met a few deaf people who think along the lines that they don't need to be 'fixed' with an implant. They see society imposing their views of what a perfect person should be on them and to install a device on such a young child (without allowing the child to choose for themselves) is an invasion similar to rape. It's very hard for us to understand since we couldn't possibly comprehend WANTING to live in a soundless world, but there are large numbers in the deaf community that think this way. I'd expect some of those dislikes came from them.
 
2012-06-04 12:30:14 AM  
It would be a complete mind blowing experience to suddenly have a sense turned on like that. One minute everything is as it's always been, the next you're relating to the world in a new and unimaginable way.

/excuse me while I kiss the sky
 
2012-06-04 12:30:23 AM  

Seth'n'Spectrum: coco ebert: styckx: 2,477 likes, 47 dislikes

Jesus farking christ.. REALLY?

Those are probably the Farkers who show up in every airplane thread to complain about people who dare to bring their children onboard.

I suspect they're actually the people who don't like "Cooper" as a first name.


it could also be the members of the deaf community who are against giving cochlear devices and other hearing aids to deaf children. Some of them try to argue its taking away a part of that child's identity and try to say it similar to trying to make your child "not gay"
 
2012-06-04 12:46:56 AM  
Garrett Morris heartily approves:

tvmedia.ign.com

/obligatory
 
2012-06-04 12:54:55 AM  
Wow, that was truly amazing.
 
2012-06-04 02:25:45 AM  
For a bunch of OCD freaks around here there sure are a lot of dusty rooms.
 
2012-06-04 02:30:31 AM  

I'm Yukon Cornelius: It's getting awful dusty in here.


I know,right?

/Fantastic submission.
 
2012-06-04 07:04:40 AM  
these videos should not be looked at as "oh how sweet and wonderful, that kid can hear now". In fact, the idea that a 2-year old is getting one is sick. Cochlear implants last like 7 years, and damage nerve endings in the process (effectively destroying the ear). So now instead of a deaf kid that knows sign language and can communicate later in life, you have a 9 year old that can't speak anymore because he can't hear anymore because he's depended on a temporary implant to help him along. Also, your not even giving the kid a choice, so later in life if something comes along that doesn't damage nerve endings, he has no choice.

I hate to be a debbie downer, but the public really needs an education in this process. Sometimes medicine doesn't need to fix things, especially if it's not going to last
pendletonpanther.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-06-04 07:50:36 AM  
If only Anne Frank could see him now.
 
2012-06-04 08:42:17 AM  

toyotaboy: Cochlear implants last like 7 years, and damage nerve endings in the process (effectively destroying the ear). So now instead of a deaf kid that knows sign language and can communicate later in life, you have a 9 year old that can't speak anymore because he can't hear anymore because he's depended on a temporary implant to help him along. Also, your not even giving the kid a choice, so later in life if something comes along that doesn't damage nerve endings, he has no choice.


Forgive my ignorance on the matter, but couldn't a cochlear implant be replaced after that 7 year period? And isn't the technology improving at a sufficient pace that future implants will likely not be any more destructive to nerve endings than just basic exposure to noise for the hearing population is anyway?

At 2, the kid can still learn to sign and talk without much issue. At 2, the brain hasn't pruned away all the neural hardware that processes sound as coherent stimuli. On the whole, I think it's a plus rather than a minus, with the outlook improving as research and technology only improve our understanding and interventions.
 
2012-06-04 08:42:19 AM  
toyotaboy

Thank you for being the one to say this. Cochlear implants are basically crap. They bridge the gap between Deaf and hearing, but instead of being on one side or the another, they sit in the middle forever. They only stimulate a small fraction of the hair cells in the cochlea that would be used from an actual hearing person. If an adult became deafened, due to disease or a loud bang, then a cochlear implant would be great because that person's brain is already wired for sound. But, even at the young age of two it is by far more beneficial in the long term to teach the kid sign language.

Don't believe me? Ask a Deaf person if they wished they were born hearing. They will tell you to fark off (unless they're nice, in which case they'll be confused as to what you mean - they LOVE being Deaf).
 
2012-06-04 08:58:22 AM  
Kome

Your concerns are totally legitimate. Currently, the technology for cochlear implants is rudimentary. It will improve over time, but it's like looking at the difference between the first telephone and an iPhone. Sure, it's working, but there are many decades of research to be had before it can become 'sleek'. As it is right now, it's tens of thousands of dollars for ONE ear. And, as toyotaboy has said, they do not last a very long time. Every once in a while you would need to find a few thousand dollars, or more, to replace this giant hunk of metal on your head so you can continue to half-hear things and communicate with a speech impediment. Now, it's not an impossible feet by any stretch, I (and most Deaf people) think it's just a waste of time.

In terms of getting the implant AND learning ASL, well, that just won't happen. The only reason the kid got an implant in the first place is because his parents are hearing. They did that so they wouldn't have to learn sign language. They did that so they could send the kid to hearing schools. They did that so they wouldn't have to deal with Deaf people. This kid will most likely never sign with a Deaf person, because he is not Deaf anymore. So, instead of learning how to read and write, this kid will have to spend hours discerning sounds, possibly reading lips to help, and working on his speech. I'd rather put my money on sending this kid out into the Deaf community where he can have some sense of place, instead of an in-between place.
 
2012-06-04 09:22:12 AM  

toyotaboy: these videos should not be looked at as "oh how sweet and wonderful, that kid can hear now". In fact, the idea that a 2-year old is getting one is sick. Cochlear implants last like 7 years, and damage nerve endings in the process (effectively destroying the ear). So now instead of a deaf kid that knows sign language and can communicate later in life, you have a 9 year old that can't speak anymore because he can't hear anymore because he's depended on a temporary implant to help him along. Also, your not even giving the kid a choice, so later in life if something comes along that doesn't damage nerve endings, he has no choice.

I hate to be a debbie downer, but the public really needs an education in this process. Sometimes medicine doesn't need to fix things, especially if it's not going to last
[pendletonpanther.files.wordpress.com image 315x225]


This makes a lot of sense, thanks for that explanation.

Because this kind of thing...

Rising_Zan_Samurai_Gunman: members of the deaf community who are against giving cochlear devices and other hearing aids to deaf children. Some of them try to argue its taking away a part of that child's identity and try to say it similar to trying to make your child "not gay"


...seems thoroughly batfarking insane.
 
2012-06-04 10:14:18 AM  
Monkeyfark Ridiculous

Because this kind of thing...

Rising_Zan_Samurai_Gunman: members of the deaf community who are against giving cochlear devices and other hearing aids to deaf children. Some of them try to argue its taking away a part of that child's identity and try to say it similar to trying to make your child "not gay"

...seems thoroughly batfarking insane.


Just think of it from a cultural perspective. There is a Deaf culture. They have Deaf curling nights, they watch movies together, they have their own parties and have a small and select group of people they can talk to. This is because they share a generally misunderstood language and "disability" as it is labeled. They also share similar life experiences and, as a whole, similar historical experiences in terms of how Deaf people were treated over the centuries. The Deaf culture is probably one of the only cultures in the world that can be stripped away from someone through surgery. You cannot make a black child into a white child, or force someone to no longer be gay. But, you can take a perfectly normal Deaf child (and trust me, Deaf people truly and absolutely see it as being normal; why wouldn't they?) and make them hearing. It's akin to destroying their cultural and personal identity, not only for the individual, but for the Deaf community in general.
 
2012-06-04 11:12:36 AM  

Inconceivable!: In terms of getting the implant AND learning ASL, well, that just won't happen. The only reason the kid got an implant in the first place is because his parents are hearing. They did that so they wouldn't have to learn sign language. They did that so they could send the kid to hearing schools. They did that so they wouldn't have to deal with Deaf people. This kid will most likely never sign with a Deaf person, because he is not Deaf anymore. So, instead of learning how to read and write, this kid will have to spend hours discerning sounds, possibly reading lips to help, and working on his speech. I'd rather put my money on sending this kid out into the Deaf community where he can have some sense of place, instead of an in-between place.


I don't know. Below I link to a recent research article that looks at development of theory-of-mind across various disabilities (I hope the link works for you, if not I can e-mail you a PDF of it if you'd be interested in reading). They compare typically developing children, children with autism, children with Asperger's Syndrome, and deaf children born to hearing parents who don't sign and their results seem to suggest that deaf children born to hearing parents who don't sign show delays in their development of understanding other people's mental states that are on par with autistic children. Admittedly, it's recent research, so validations and replications are necessary to draw any strong conclusions, but still it's something to consider. They do go on to point out that deaf children born to parents who can sign don't show these difficulties. So there's that as well. But if, as you suggest, the parents are unwilling to learn sign-language, then the cochlear implant will serve the child better from a neuro-developmental and cognitive developmental standpoint.

And, to be frank, how do you know the parents are unwilling to learn sign-language? I know several people who have learned and are learning sign-language even without a close friend or family member who is deaf. I imagine parents tend to do, or at least try to do, whatever is necessary to help their kids. And the kid's doctors and teachers would likely be pushing the parents to learn it as well. So is it truly outside the realm of possibility to think the parents would not be teaching the child sign language, learning it themselves, as well as trying to help the child discriminate various sounds as is necessary for spoken and heard language?

Link
 
2012-06-04 11:25:43 AM  

Inconceivable!: and trust me, Deaf people truly and absolutely see it as being normal; why wouldn't they?


... because they can't hear?
 
2012-06-04 11:41:54 AM  

Inconceivable!: Monkeyfark Ridiculous

Because this kind of thing...

Rising_Zan_Samurai_Gunman: members of the deaf community who are against giving cochlear devices and other hearing aids to deaf children. Some of them try to argue its taking away a part of that child's identity and try to say it similar to trying to make your child "not gay"

...seems thoroughly batfarking insane.

Just think of it from a cultural perspective. There is a Deaf culture. They have Deaf curling nights, they watch movies together, they have their own parties and have a small and select group of people they can talk to. This is because they share a generally misunderstood language and "disability" as it is labeled. They also share similar life experiences and, as a whole, similar historical experiences in terms of how Deaf people were treated over the centuries. The Deaf culture is probably one of the only cultures in the world that can be stripped away from someone through surgery. You cannot make a black child into a white child, or force someone to no longer be gay. But, you can take a perfectly normal Deaf child (and trust me, Deaf people truly and absolutely see it as being normal; why wouldn't they?) and make them hearing. It's akin to destroying their cultural and personal identity, not only for the individual, but for the Deaf community in general.


Well, if I were offered surgery that would give me electroreception or sonar or infrared vision or the like (within certain parameters obviously), I expect that I would barely hesitate--even though it would to some extent alienate me from my entire species. It is difficult for me to imagine giving half a damn what the guys in my curling league thought of it, or assuming that it would destroy my identity or my relationships.

And it seems strange to define one's culture (let alone personality) by a single disability rather than the other things you mention like shared language and life experiences, which cannot be stripped away by surgery. You're insisting on deafness as the key prerequisite for Deaf cultural membership but at the same time you'd find it insufficient. That isn't inherently inconsistent, but I can't see a compelling reason to cut it so finely either.

Ultimately I'm just not sympathetic to the kind of self-serving chauvinism that says "don't raise your child as one of those Others." Sure, you can't make a black child into a white child, but a kid's parents can move from China to the US and raise him in a whole different culture, and it would be just all kinds of bullshiat to say that's a bad thing simply because he was somehow destined to be culturally Chinese.

(have to run, hope this doesn't come off too argumentative, thanks for your response)
 
2012-06-04 04:11:29 PM  
Kome

Unfortunately, doctors are not trained in deafness as much as they are, say, blindness. A doctor will tell hearing parents of a Deaf kid to just go with the surgery and force them to speak. I have been studying ASL for 8 years and recently got my minor, and all the Deaf people I have met come with the same stories. There ARE definitely circumstances where hearing parents learn sign language and I would hate to make it seem as though those type of people don't exist, but the heavy reliance on technology circumvents the needs for hearing parents to learn anything about Deaf culture.

Monkeyfark Ridiculous

No worries about sounding argumentative; this is the type of discussion I wish people would have more of! The thing is, surgery does rip away your language, because it means you no longer need to sign (very few kids with cochlear implants go to Deaf schools, in fact, there is a massive movement to shove Deaf kids into hearing schools where the Deaf kids do very poorly because no one signs to them). What makes being part of Deaf culture different is that ANYONE can be born Deaf. An Arab person can be born directly into the Deaf culture, whether they know it or not. Deaf people from completely different cultures have more in common in terms of life experiences than two hearing people from the same country. Anyway I have to go too. I merely hope this helps some people think differently about the issue, because it is very complex!
 
2012-06-04 04:15:29 PM  

Inconceivable!: I merely hope this helps some people think differently about the issue, because it is very complex!


It really is, and I admit I don't spend a lot of time learning about these topics. Hell, the only reason I found that article about theory of mind and children with different disabilities is because I'm on a project looking to use theory of mind measures in human-robotic interactions. So it was just complete coincidence that I stumbled on it a couple of days ago and then this link shows up. But you've given me some things to think about, so I thank you for that.
 
2012-06-04 04:26:43 PM  
i.imgur.com
 
2012-06-04 07:08:07 PM  
Link

i actually found this more moving. not sure why.
 
2012-06-04 08:21:07 PM  
Kome

A Fark discussion that ends with respect? Is it Christmas?

Thank you!
 
2012-06-04 08:49:02 PM  
I have a good friend who's daughter went deaf around 1. She got a cochlear implant around 3. She'll be six here soon. Both parents continue to learn sign, I'm trying to pick it up as well, but don't get to use it enough. She is going to a special school. Not just deaf, I believe there is blind there as well. Supposed to be one of the best in the state. I hadn't realized the opposition to the implants. Not being deaf, I guess I don't have much right to an opinion. But that's some amazing technology to me.

Here's how one sounds This goes up to a 22 channel. She has 128 channel and something about 4 sub channels per channel...

/Yay science!
 
2012-06-04 09:05:50 PM  
@Inconceivable!

If a particular kid with particular surgical options and particular parents is going to be better educated and fulfilled by remaining deaf and growing up Deaf, then sure. Personally I'd consider virtually any sensory ability to be fundamentally useful (and existing realms of human art and technology catering to that sense are a plus), but circumstances vary and it would seem foolish to say that any given deaf person should do whatever it takes to hear.

I'm just saying that the flip side of that is wrongheaded, too, where sour grapes and tribalist loyalty are used to suggest that there's something inherently wrong with choosing hearing for those born deaf (for oneself or one's child), independent of current technical limitations or asshat parents. If that's an accidental strawman then never mind, but it is the impression that I get from some Deaf culture remarks.
 
2012-06-04 09:27:50 PM  
@Monkeyfark Ridiculous

I'm partially arguing the way I am because that's how a Deaf person would do it, and it's always interesting to see the differences between the two ways of thinking. In reality, if I had a Deaf kid, I would be plagued with the decision. Sure, I can sign, but I'm hearing and I want a HEARING kid. But, I know how much it hurts the Deaf community and I understand the unpredictability of the implant. If I decided to go with the implant, I would probably have spent all my waking hours debating it and I would still feel awful, but I may have felt I was making the right decision. The problem is that I understand my choices, whereas many doctors refer to the implant immediately and never bring up signing as an option.

Another interesting point to consider is that Deaf people consider blind or quadriplegic people to be disabled, but being Deaf is not considered a disability for them. They're basically the most stubborn kind of people I've ever met.
 
2012-06-04 09:43:36 PM  
@Inconceivable!

Yeah, fair enough. And I'd be fine with hurting the living bejeezus out of some community's feelings if I thought it best for my kid.


If Deaf people don't have a disability, then I have a superpower. ...

...Yeah, I'm ok with that.
 
2012-06-04 10:34:11 PM  
@Inconceivable!

Thanks for presenting a viewpoint I hadn't really heard. (no pun intended). As I've said I don't think my view holds much water as it isn't me. I do respect the choices my friends have made and I love their little girl to death. I hope it all goes well for her. That's the only personal experience I have to draw on.
 
2012-06-04 10:37:49 PM  

toyotaboy: these videos should not be looked at as "oh how sweet and wonderful, that kid can hear now". In fact, the idea that a 2-year old is getting one is sick. Cochlear implants last like 7 years, and damage nerve endings in the process (effectively destroying the ear). So now instead of a deaf kid that knows sign language and can communicate later in life, you have a 9 year old that can't speak anymore because he can't hear anymore because he's depended on a temporary implant to help him along. Also, your not even giving the kid a choice, so later in life if something comes along that doesn't damage nerve endings, he has no choice.

I hate to be a debbie downer, but the public really needs an education in this process. Sometimes medicine doesn't need to fix things, especially if it's not going to last


The implants last a good deal longer than 7 years. If a child does not get implanted early they loose the ability to ever learn to understand speech. So if you wait until the child can choose then you are not giving them any choice either.

The numbers for reading proficiency in the deaf community are rather bad, and as a result their chances of advancing in other educational areas is limited. Reading and writing is essentially a translation of a sound based system, one that is easier to learn if you know where it is coming from. Even if you loose your hearing you can be left with a skill that will enable you to communicate with many more people and find many more opportunities.
 
2012-06-04 11:00:21 PM  

toyotaboy: these videos should not be looked at as "oh how sweet and wonderful, that kid can hear now". In fact, the idea that a 2-year old is getting one is sick. Cochlear implants last like 7 years, and damage nerve endings in the process (effectively destroying the ear). So now instead of a deaf kid that knows sign language and can communicate later in life, you have a 9 year old that can't speak anymore because he can't hear anymore because he's depended on a temporary implant to help him along. Also, your not even giving the kid a choice, so later in life if something comes along that doesn't damage nerve endings, he has no choice.

I hate to be a debbie downer, but the public really needs an education in this process. Sometimes medicine doesn't need to fix things, especially if it's not going to last
[pendletonpanther.files.wordpress.com image 315x225]


UMmmmmm. STFU with this. Technology advances. I would want to hear, and this tech is advancing all the time, and in 5 to 7 years, he will get the next version. Yeah, you are a debbie downer, so go jump off a cliff. Maybe upload that and we can debate that choice.
 
2012-06-04 11:49:27 PM  
Stupid subby, he is deaf, not blind.

Seriously, though, this was completely and totally awesome. When she zipped the bag, I thought he was going to go nuclear.
 
2012-06-05 03:33:36 AM  

ComputerBob: styckx: 2,477 likes, 47 dislikes

Jesus farking christ.. REALLY?

I've actually met a few deaf people who think along the lines that they don't need to be 'fixed' with an implant. They see society imposing their views of what a perfect person should be on them and to install a device on such a young child (without allowing the child to choose for themselves) is an invasion similar to rape. It's very hard for us to understand since we couldn't possibly comprehend WANTING to live in a soundless world, but there are large numbers in the deaf community that think this way. I'd expect some of those dislikes came from them.


/nods

I was exposed to this mindset in college when I was studying ASL. There's an undercurrent of tribal culture that wants to preserve their language and community at all costs. It's really no different than any other form of fundamentalism.

ASL is a unique and wonderful language but to exclude progress to enable a deaf kids to interact with the larger hearing world is selfish -- no different than sheltering a kid in an exclusive religious school.
 
2012-06-05 05:26:30 PM  
s-ak.buzzfed.com

Face of a boy hearing for the first time.
 
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