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(US News)   Five secrets to getting the best healthcare. #6: Don't get sick   (health.usnews.com) divider line 143
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2012-06-04 12:29:35 AM  
I'll just keep drinking then. Should kill all the viruses, bacteria, etc. Winning?
 
2012-06-04 01:09:50 AM  
#7 Move to Canada or Cuba
 
2012-06-04 02:01:13 AM  
That's actually numbers 1 through infinity.
 
2012-06-04 02:23:52 AM  
Don't live in the US.

/have awesome healthcare, still too terrified of bills racking up to see any doctors about ANYTHING.
//Still 20,000 in debt from my last emergency.
 
2012-06-04 02:25:04 AM  
Don't be poor in the third world or in the USA.

Other than that you're probably getting pretty good health care.

/dnrtfa
 
2012-06-04 02:28:22 AM  

kisseswookies: Don't live in the US.

/have awesome healthcare, still too terrified of bills racking up to see any doctors about ANYTHING.
//Still 20,000 in debt from my last emergency.


This. I passed an 8mm kidney stone last week with nothing more than Aleve for a pain killer. I couldn't even think about hitting the ER for anything stronger.
 
2012-06-04 02:39:02 AM  

DarthBart: kisseswookies: Don't live in the US.

/have awesome healthcare, still too terrified of bills racking up to see any doctors about ANYTHING.
//Still 20,000 in debt from my last emergency.

This. I passed an 8mm kidney stone last week with nothing more than Aleve for a pain killer. I couldn't even think about hitting the ER for anything stronger.


Damn. That's some brass balls on you. I had a cyst rupture on my ovary. Took me 2 days to agree to go to the hospital, and all I got from there was a bill and a handful of pain meds and a good luck. Farking assholes.
 
2012-06-04 02:42:42 AM  
Live in the United States and actually be productive enough to afford health insurance.
 
2012-06-04 02:42:46 AM  
I'm basically waiting for something really bad to start with my lungs before I go to the ER with what I think is bronchitis. The last time I went to the ER I got a speech about exaggerating and then told I had a bladder infection,bronchitis and tachycardia.
 
2012-06-04 02:46:43 AM  

randomjsa: Live in the United States and actually be productive enough to afford health insurance.


Tell that to all the people whose jobs don't provide health insurance or provide bad insurance.
 
2012-06-04 02:48:01 AM  

randomjsa: Live in the United States and actually be productive enough to afford health insurance.


Because all jobs provide health insurance and all cases of illness fall under periods of employment.

/cock
 
2012-06-04 02:48:53 AM  
In the US? Be rich.
 
2012-06-04 02:49:20 AM  

cretinbob: #7 Move to Canada or Cuba


That was kind of, sort of, the advice the only halfway decent doctor I ever met here in Las Vegas gave me. She had moved her practice here from the east coast so she could take care of her dad, who was retired and sick. She met doctors who never heard of email, nothing was stored electronically, some of the labs had equipment was older than I was.

I'm trying very hard to get out of Nevada for my own good.
 
2012-06-04 02:50:30 AM  
Five "secrets" spread across THREE pages? F*ck you.
 
2012-06-04 02:55:54 AM  

WhyteRaven74: Tell that to all the people whose jobs don't provide health insurance or provide bad insurance.


My job does not provide insurance. I purchase it privately.

YoungSwedishBlonde: Because all jobs provide health insurance and all cases of illness fall under periods of employment.


My job does not provide insurance. I purchase it privately and assuming one is unemployed or underemployed, a strong possibility with our current president, you may need to look in to other options. They do exist but they are not very good compared to private health insurance.

The point is that if you get sick, and by that I mean really sick, the best health care you can get is available right here in the the United States. The "best" health care is the kind that provides you with the most timely and effective care, not the system that you think is "fair" because more people have ready access to it.
 
2012-06-04 03:11:08 AM  
I have another tip: Don't have unprotected sex in Haiti.
Another: Polar bears are not pets.
 
2012-06-04 03:12:33 AM  

WhyteRaven74: randomjsa: Live in the United States and actually be productive enough to afford health insurance.

Tell that to all the people whose jobs don't provide health insurance or provide bad insurance.


I tell them they should have picked a better career.
 
2012-06-04 03:13:55 AM  
I am stuck in a psych hospital right now. It has costed me an arm and a leg in private health insurance (otherwise there is no inpatient care even in Australia) over the years. I was also left to fend for myself for 4 months whilst they waited for a bed to be free - no capacity even in the private system.

Get in here and find that 5 beds out of 50 are set aside for illegal immigrants.

Half of me says "I am glad they are getting treated". The other part says "WTF my own father cant get inpatient treatment.".
 
2012-06-04 03:20:11 AM  

A Terrible Human: I'm basically waiting for something really bad to start with my lungs before I go to the ER with what I think is bronchitis. The last time I went to the ER I got a speech about exaggerating and then told I had a bladder infection,bronchitis and tachycardia.


Go to the ER. I'm just back to work today after brochotitis. It won't get better on its own.
 
2012-06-04 03:21:21 AM  
kisseswookies

Don't live in the US.

/have awesome healthcare, still too terrified of bills racking up to see any doctors about ANYTHING.
//Still 20,000 in debt from my last emergency.


EXACTLY!

The reports don't mention the vast amount of folks who will not see a physician or dentist until they're seriously ill because of the HUGE expense. In the case of the latter, you're pretty well f**ked because no social program covers dental and I don't know of any who take time payments.

Last time I went to the ER I was there about three hours. My bill was over $4000!! I talked to a dentist about removing my rotten teeth and getting plates and stopped listening when the price went over $8000. (Some will have to be surgically removed.)
I'm on disability, and it pays 80% of my medical bills, but pays absolutely nothing for dental.

When I had to go in for cataract surgery, it's a good thing I needed both eyes worked on. Medicare would pay for ONE or both at the same time. If I needed only one eye fixed, and later developed a cataract in the second eye -- tough shiat.

I found a great Dr. though. He accepted the 80% and charged me a whopping $4.00 'co-payment'.

If I wasn't on Med-D, I could not afford the pills I have to take. Even with medical insurance, my 85 yr old mother was being sucked dry by her pill co-payments and it took me 4 years of searching to discover a plan for the elderly where she pays very little or anything at all.

Yeah. DON'T get sick if you're in the lower 30%.

More and more physicians are grouping together to keep costs manageable and to be able to afford a core group of lawyers needed to handle the never ending pile of malpractice suites.
 
2012-06-04 03:25:09 AM  
Don't get sick.

If you don't, die quickly.
 
2012-06-04 03:26:32 AM  

Baker_Street_Irregular: Go to the ER. I'm just back to work today after brochotitis. It won't get better on its own.


I know that but I'm waiting because I don't want to be hounded by collection agencies or treated like shiat by another ER doctor.
 
2012-06-04 03:26:46 AM  
Do, do, do.

Why isn't there an edit button
 
2012-06-04 03:29:46 AM  

randomjsa: WhyteRaven74: Tell that to all the people whose jobs don't provide health insurance or provide bad insurance.

My job does not provide insurance. I purchase it privately.

YoungSwedishBlonde: Because all jobs provide health insurance and all cases of illness fall under periods of employment.

My job does not provide insurance. I purchase it privately and assuming one is unemployed or underemployed, a strong possibility with our current president, you may need to look in to other options. They do exist but they are not very good compared to private health insurance.

The point is that if you get sick, and by that I mean really sick, the best health care you can get is available right here in the the United States. The "best" health care is the kind that provides you with the most timely and effective care, not the system that you think is "fair" because more people have ready access to it.


So you're happy paying extra for your health insurance to cover people who are uninsured going to the ER?
 
2012-06-04 03:36:01 AM  

cretinbob: #7 Move to Canada or Cuba


I am actually contemplating doing this for a while. Medical tourism, staying with an internet friend.

Short story is it's taken thousands of dollars to get to the point of trying kitchen sink methods of dealing with my depression. Anabolic steroids aren't cheap, neither is Crestor, or Ritalin. That and it looks like I might have skin cancer.

Hopefully I get a better job tomorrow, because I sure as hell can't make it on minimum with raises that don't even keep up with inflation.
 
2012-06-04 03:36:56 AM  
ATH: I work full time, and am also a full time student, but no insurance. My city has health clinics, so my first call was to the one closest to me. Nope, no appointments until August or September for new patients. I was told that if it was an emergency that I should go to the ER.

Fine. I was listless, difficulty breathing -- you know how it feels. I suppose I'm just dumb, but it wasn't an emergency, just something that couldn't wait months. So I sucked it up and went to a doc in the box. Fortunately, he was a good clinician, I was diagnosed and am now on my way back to reality.

However, I owe that practice hundreds (better than thousands, I know), have no savings and no paycheck coming in this week because I was ill all last week. I'm lucky; my neighborhood also has a food panty.

Best to you.
 
2012-06-04 03:39:32 AM  
Actually, subby, not getting sick is a way to get no healthcare.
 
2012-06-04 03:40:30 AM  

Baker_Street_Irregular: However, I owe that practice hundreds (better than thousands, I know), have no savings and no paycheck coming in this week because I was ill all last week. I'm lucky; my neighborhood also has a food panty.

Best to you.



shiat that sucks. I'm a full time caregiver so I also have no savings,no paycheck coming in ever but I do get the benefit of taking care of two wonderful people who worry about me. They'll eventually prod me until I too suck it up and go.

/Hope you finally get back on your feet financially.
 
2012-06-04 03:43:31 AM  
Live in the United States and actually be productive enough to afford health insurance.

Even that doesn't work too well. I work for one of the most powerful law firms in the world but still get screwed over by our insurance company. I have the same insurance as attorneys who bill at $1200/hr. It's pretty high end expensive insurance but they still try to screw you every chance they get. Recently I fell at an ice rink and busted my head open. The doctor on the scene called an ambulance which took me ten miles to the nearest hospital. The ambulance bill was close to $900 and the insurance company refuses to pay a penny saying I could have made it to the hospital on my own. I had a head injury, lost consciousness and was bleeding profusely but I was expected to drive myself to the hospital? Maybe I was expected to walk. Or maybe I should have put out competitive bids to taxi companies willing to let me bleed all over their cab. That's the captialist thing to do, right? There must be an 'I have a medical emergency and want to start my own services exchange' app, right?

At least they paid most of the ER bill, which was almost $8000, though the insurance company negotiated rate was around $5000. Could an individual negotiate $3000 off the bill before even being admitted? It was also weird that I received bills from five different legal entities instead of just one bill from the hospital. And the insurance company initially didn't want to pay for the MRI but I eventually argued and won on that one. Still can't get them to pay for the ambulance trip. It's a really messed up system.
 
2012-06-04 03:43:31 AM  
I have a friend who's having emergency cancer surgery Tuesday and I'm not getting a kick out if any of these replies.

She doesn't have insurance and basically had to sell all her personal possessions to pay for her recent doctor visits because she has a pre-existing condition: cancer. By giving all her net worth into the medical mill she can now apply for Medicare to cover her surgery next week now that she is rock bottom destitute.

USA! USA! USA!

This country is pathetic towards the sick and poor and young. You must be financially enslaved to doctors or universities so that Stockholm Syndrome is endemic.
 
2012-06-04 03:44:14 AM  

YoungSwedishBlonde: randomjsa: Live in the United States and actually be productive enough to afford health insurance.

Because all jobs provide health insurance and all cases of illness fall under periods of employment.

/cock


Yep. God help you if you're trying to get health insurance & have a pre-existing condition.
 
2012-06-04 03:46:55 AM  

cretinbob: #7 Move to Canada or Cuba


Yep.

Even with what is suppose to be some of the best medical insurance on the market, sometimes I still find traveling to Costa Rica is cheaper. $350 roundtrip airfare and everything down there is pretty cheap makes it a better option than risking what bill will show up after having a procedure done in the US.
 
2012-06-04 03:48:27 AM  
Decent health care out of the question (and the budget)? Maybe we should invade Canada next. They have health care. And oil. And Muslims.
 
2012-06-04 03:52:15 AM  

A Terrible Human: Baker_Street_Irregular:
shiat that sucks. I'm a full time caregiver so I also have no savings,no paycheck coming in ever but I do get the benefit of taking care of two wonderful people who worry about me. They'll eventually prod me until I too suck it up and go.

/Hope you finally get back on your feet financially.


Listen to an internet stranger AND the folks who love you. Go, get well and worry about the rest later.
 
2012-06-04 03:52:22 AM  
#8 consult but move through your PCP to get the best specialist available. damn the cost, they can't collect if you are dead.
 
2012-06-04 04:10:42 AM  
The 'no-nothing' health care plan.

1. Don't be born with any congenital conditions, have a naturally healthy and robust body and immune system.
2. Get vaccinated
3. Exercise early and often, in a variety of climates.
4. Enjoy a good, balanced, nutritious diet
5. Play some kind of sport regularly in HS
6. Exercise and take part in intramural sports in college and your career.
7. Don't smoke
8. Don't drink to excess (meaning more than 3 drinks a week) ever.
9. Fidelity - be faithful, avoid STDs.
10. Don't ever have anything bad happen to you. No slips, no falls, no accidential exposures to chemicals.
11. Die suddenly.

See? It's mostly proactive stuff, so you can totally be moralized if you fall down on 1,10, and 11.
 
2012-06-04 04:10:49 AM  

WhyteRaven74: randomjsa: Live in the United States and actually be productive enough to afford health insurance.

Tell that to all the people whose jobs don't provide health insurance or provide bad insurance.


Or don't have jobs...or have preexisting conditions and can't get private coverage...or whose employers will cover the worker but not his family...or if you have any kind of "off-label" need for meds...

Shall I go on?

But randommotherf*cker lives in a fantasy world under a bridge where life is perfect, as we all know.
 
2012-06-04 04:12:29 AM  

EngineerAU: cretinbob: #7 Move to Canada or Cuba

Yep.

Even with what is suppose to be some of the best medical insurance on the market, sometimes I still find traveling to Costa Rica is cheaper. $350 roundtrip airfare and everything down there is pretty cheap makes it a better option than risking what bill will show up after having a procedure done in the US.


Seriously, the farking leach hospitals send a bill just about every time, regardless of what insurance has already paid. Call them about it, and it's "oh, that must have been sent in error, it's taken care of, don't worry about it."

Funny how every hospital seems to make the same kind of error every time just about anyone I know goes to the hospital. Bet they keep the farking money if you send it.

Single payer. Only thing that makes any goddamn sense unless you've got so much money you can afford to pay for this crap out of pocket.
 
2012-06-04 04:20:13 AM  

rubi_con_man: The 'no-nothing' health care plan.

1. Don't be born with any congenital conditions, have a naturally healthy and robust body and immune system.
2. Get vaccinated
3. Exercise early and often, in a variety of climates.
4. Enjoy a good, balanced, nutritious diet
5. Play some kind of sport regularly in HS
6. Exercise and take part in intramural sports in college and your career.
7. Don't smoke
8. Don't drink to excess (meaning more than 3 drinks a week) ever.
9. Fidelity - be faithful, avoid STDs.
10. Don't ever have anything bad happen to you. No slips, no falls, no accidential exposures to chemicals.
11. Die suddenly.

See? It's mostly proactive stuff, so you can totally be moralized if you fall down on 1,10, and 11.


But so much of it requires your PARENTS to be proactive, so can we surcharge them when we can't get insurance later?

I mean, you can't exactly pick your genes; your vaxes are done before you're 3 mostly; and your attitude towards nutrition and exercise is developed when you're little. Also any early exposure to chemicals, etc., is going to mess you up for life.

So can we sock our parents if they didn't get a pre-marital genetic screening and didn't get us vaccinated properly?
 
2012-06-04 04:43:58 AM  

kisseswookies: DarthBart: kisseswookies: Don't live in the US.

/have awesome healthcare, still too terrified of bills racking up to see any doctors about ANYTHING.
//Still 20,000 in debt from my last emergency.

This. I passed an 8mm kidney stone last week with nothing more than Aleve for a pain killer. I couldn't even think about hitting the ER for anything stronger.

Damn. That's some brass balls on you. I had a cyst rupture on my ovary. Took me 2 days to agree to go to the hospital, and all I got from there was a bill and a handful of pain meds and a good luck. Farking assholes.


i like how you blame your stupidity on the hospital, that's a good twist there. next time wait three days.
 
2012-06-04 04:57:37 AM  

Bathia_Mapes: YoungSwedishBlonde: randomjsa: Live in the United States and actually be productive enough to afford health insurance.

Because all jobs provide health insurance and all cases of illness fall under periods of employment.

/cock

Yep. God help you if you're trying to get health insurance & have a pre-existing condition.


Yes, I too would love to hear what the oh-so-wise randomjsa suggests in his black-and-white view of the world (you're either "productive enough," whatever that means, or your not) for someone in the US seeking private insurance with a pre-existing condition.
 
2012-06-04 05:00:37 AM  

KrispyKritter: kisseswookies: DarthBart: kisseswookies: Don't live in the US.

/have awesome healthcare, still too terrified of bills racking up to see any doctors about ANYTHING.
//Still 20,000 in debt from my last emergency.

This. I passed an 8mm kidney stone last week with nothing more than Aleve for a pain killer. I couldn't even think about hitting the ER for anything stronger.

Damn. That's some brass balls on you. I had a cyst rupture on my ovary. Took me 2 days to agree to go to the hospital, and all I got from there was a bill and a handful of pain meds and a good luck. Farking assholes.

i like how you blame your stupidity on the hospital, that's a good twist there. next time wait three days.


How is receiving only "a bill and a handful of pain meds" her stupidity, exactly?
 
2012-06-04 05:05:23 AM  

KrispyKritter: kisseswookies: DarthBart: kisseswookies: Don't live in the US.

/have awesome healthcare, still too terrified of bills racking up to see any doctors about ANYTHING.
//Still 20,000 in debt from my last emergency.

This. I passed an 8mm kidney stone last week with nothing more than Aleve for a pain killer. I couldn't even think about hitting the ER for anything stronger.

Damn. That's some brass balls on you. I had a cyst rupture on my ovary. Took me 2 days to agree to go to the hospital, and all I got from there was a bill and a handful of pain meds and a good luck. Farking assholes.

i like how you blame your stupidity on the hospital, that's a good twist there. next time wait three days.


Why? She followed the responsible, conservative healthcare plan. Wait a few days to see if it clears up on its own before you bankrupt yourself going to the hospital.
 
2012-06-04 05:23:34 AM  
#7: Don't live in the US.
 
2012-06-04 05:23:50 AM  
The planet's primary superpower has health care on par with the third world.

And most people are perfectly alright with this.

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2012-06-04 05:44:53 AM  
"You'll need to learn over a period of months or even years whether your initial PCP choice was right for you."
But what if I don't wanna do PCP?
 
2012-06-04 05:45:03 AM  

kisseswookies: DarthBart: kisseswookies: Don't live in the US.

/have awesome healthcare, still too terrified of bills racking up to see any doctors about ANYTHING.
//Still 20,000 in debt from my last emergency.

This. I passed an 8mm kidney stone last week with nothing more than Aleve for a pain killer. I couldn't even think about hitting the ER for anything stronger.

Damn. That's some brass balls on you. I had a cyst rupture on my ovary. Took me 2 days to agree to go to the hospital, and all I got from there was a bill and a handful of pain meds and a good luck. Farking assholes.


You are lucky you didn't bleed out.
 
2012-06-04 05:48:38 AM  
Actually, that is pretty close to the Repube health care plan.
 
2012-06-04 05:53:05 AM  
KrispyKritter: i like how you blame your stupidity on the hospital, that's a good twist there. next time wait three days.

How is that stupidity? Most people don't know you're not going to get rushed to surgery in an ER unless you have a time critical or life-threatening illness or injury. You're either going to get treated to the point you're well enough to go home and follow up with a clinic or your family doctor or get admitted for continuing treatment.

The Emergency Room is not a family doctor, and is not an urgent care center.
 
2012-06-04 05:53:19 AM  

EngineerAU: Could an individual negotiate $3000 off the bill before even being admitted?


No, but you probably could have afterwards. It's silly that you have to -- and I'm not saying it's a good system -- but medical billing rates are like car sticker prices: only fools pay the list price and cash is king.
 
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