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2012-06-04 01:24:20 AM

Bevets: 2) Christians have been around for nearly two thousand years and have not engaged in genocide.


BWA-HAH-HAH-HAH-HAH-HAH!!!
Oh, Bevets. You slay me! You should be a comedian with material like that.
Of course, you wouldn't want to use material like that around Jews, Cherokees, Inuit, Dineh, Australian Aborigines, Congolese, Tutsi, Jews, Muslims or about a hundred others.
And so many others from the Athabasca to a bunch of Sudanese tribes aren't around to throw things at you.
 
2012-06-04 01:24:54 AM
thunderbird8804: As for the evangelist farks in the article, let them destroy the minds of their children, let them raise their little tin army, and if they make the mistake of thinking the combined might of their arms and their god can overcome a free and democratic people, let their dreams of theocracy die along with them.

Uh, no.

The problem with that is the crazy religious nuts make up a large majority of the United States voter population. The Christian Dominionists and Theocrats know this, and pander to them each election they can.

It doesn't matter if we're a free and democratic society if that society is controlled by theocrats in office. Free and democratic will come to mean "Tyranny of the Majority"
 
2012-06-04 01:30:24 AM
No one seems to have noticed that this is basically Israel's foreign policy in a nut-shell. (Words carefully chosen)
 
2012-06-04 01:31:02 AM

intelligent comment below: BronyMedic: intelligent comment below: I'll repeat this just for amusement. Speaking of ignorance and trolling

So your evidence that Hitler loved Christianity was that some historians debate his plans for genocide after World War II?

Careful with that much straw, you might pose a fire hazard.


excuse me? You posted historically inaccurate links and made false accusations with no evidence at all.

I'll post the entire section here for you to build a new strawman to hide behind just because you can't admit the Nazi party was Christian

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_Nazi_Germany#Nazi_Attitudes_ t owards_Christianity

Nazi Attitudes towards Christianity

Many Nazis promoted positive Christianity a militant, non-denominational form of Christianity which emphasized Christ as an active fighter and anti-semite who opposed the institutionalized Judaism of his day.[35] Even in the later years of the Third Reich, many Protestant and Catholic clergy within Germany persisted in believing that Nazism was in its essence in accordance with Christian precepts.[36]

The Nazi leadership made use of both Christian symbolism, indigenous Germanic pagan imagery, and ancient Roman symbolism in their propaganda. However the use of pagan symbolism worried some Protestants.[37] Many Nazi leaders, including Adolf Hitler,[38] subscribed either to a mixture of pseudoscientific theories, particularly Social Darwinism,[39] or to mysticism and occultism, which was especially strong in the SS.[citation needed] Central to both groupings was the belief in Germanic (white Northern-European) racial superiority. The existence of a Ministry of Church Affairs, instituted in 1935 and headed by Hanns Kerrl, was hardly recognized by ideologists such as Alfred Rosenberg or by other political decision-makers.[citation needed]

In a confidential message to the Gauleiter on June 9, 1941, Martin Bormann, had declared that "National Socialism and Christianity are irreconcilable."[40] He also declared that the Churches influence in the leadership of the people "must absolutely and finally be broken." Bormann believed Nazism was based on a "scientific" world-view, and was completely incompatible with Christianity.[40] Bormann stated:

When we [National Socialists] speak of belief in God, we do not mean, like the naive Christians and their spiritual exploiters, a man-like being sitting around somewhere in the universe. The force governed by natural law by which all these countless planets move in the universe, we call omnipotence or God. The assertion that this universal force can trouble itself about the destiny of each individual being, every smallest earthly bacillus, can be influenced by so-called prayers or other surprising things, depends upon a requisite dose of naivety or else upon shameless professional self-interest.[41]

During the war Alfred Rosenberg formulated a thirty-point program for the National Reich Church, which included:

The National Reich Church claims exclusive right and control over all Churches.
The National Church is determined to exterminate foreign Christian faiths imported into Germany in the ill-omened year 800.
The National Church demands immediate cessation of the publishing and dissemination of the Bible.
The National Church will clear away from its altars all Crucifixes, Bibles and pictures of Saints.
On the altars there must be nothing but Mein Kampf and to the left of the altar a sword.[42]

Some Nazis, like Alfred Rosenberg and Martin Bormann, viewed Christianity and National Socialism as competing world views. However other Nazis like Dietrich Eckart and Walter Buch, saw them as part of the same movement.[43]

From the mid 1930s, anti-Christian elements within the Nazi party became more prominent, however they were restrained by Hitler. In 1937 all Confessing Church seminaries and teaching was banned. Dissident Protestants were forbidden to attend universities. During Hitler's dictatorship, more than 6,000 clergymen, on the charge of treasonable activity, were imprisoned or executed.[38] The same measures were taken in the occupied territories, in French Lorraine, the Nazis forbid religious youth movements, parish meetings, scout meetings, and church assets were taken. Church schools were closed, and teachers in religious orders were dismissed. The episcopal seminary was closed, and the SA and SS desecrated churches, religious statutes and pictures. 300 clergy were expelled from the Lorraine region, monks and nuns were deported or forced to renounce their vows.[44]
Nazi policy towards the Churches

Soon after their takeover of power in Germany, the Nazi government resumed talks with the Holy See concerning the establishment of a concordat. Previously, concordats, regulating the relation between the Catholic Church and the state, had been established in Bavaria (1924), Prussia (1929) and Baden (1932), but talks had failed on a federal level for several reasons. This attempt achieved the signing of the Reichskonkordat on July 20, 1933.

Like the idea of the Reichskonkordat, the notion of a Protestant Reich Church, which would unify the Protestant Churches, also had been considered previously.[45] Hitler had discussed the matter as early as 1927 with Ludwig Müller, who was at that time the military chaplain of Königsberg.[45]
Further information: Kirchenkampf

The opposition of many adherents of traditional religions to Nazism is only one side of the issue.[46] Within the Lutheran Churches in Germany, the most prominent members of the Bekennende Kirche (Confessing Church), Martin Niemöller and Dietrich Bonhoeffer, opposed Nazism. They rejected the Nazi efforts to meld volkisch principles with traditional Lutheran doctrine.[47] They were, however, (as of 1932) in the minority within the Protestant church bodies in Germany, compared to the Deutsche Christen (German Christians), who supported National Socialism and cooperated with the Nazis. But in 1933, a number of Deutsche Christen left the movement after a November speech by Reinhold Krause that urged, among other things, the rejection of the Old Testament as Jewish superstition.[48] However, even the "Confessing Church made frequent declarations of loyalty to Hitler".[49]

The resistance of churches against the Nazis was the longest lasting and most bitter of any German institution.[50] The Nazis weakened the churches' resistance from within and a significant number of the clergy, particularly Protestant, supported National Socialism, but the Nazis had not yet succeeded in taking control of the churches, evidenced by the thousands of clergy sent to concentration camps.[51] The Catholic Church was particularly suppressed in Poland: between 1939 and 1945, an estimated 3,000 members (18%) of the Polish clergy, were murdered; of these, 1,992 died in concentration camps.[52] In the annexed territory of Reichsgau Wartheland it was even more harsh: churches were systematically closed and most priests were either killed, imprisoned, or deported to the General Government. Eighty per cent of the Catholic clergy and five bishops of Warthegau were sent to concentration camps in 1939; 108 of them are regarded as blessed martyrs.[52] Religious persecution was not confined to Poland: in Dachau concentration camp alone, 2,600 Catholic priests from 24 different countries were killed.[52]

A number of historians maintain that the Nazis had a general covert plan, which some argue existed before the Nazis' rose to power,[53] to destroy Christianity within the Reich.[54][55][56][57][58][59][60] To what extent a plan to subordinate the churches and limit their role in the country's life existed before the Nazi rise to power, and exactly who among the Nazi leadership supported such a move remains contested."[53] However other historians maintain no such plan existed.[61][62][63][64] Summarizing a 1945 Office of Strategic Services report, New York Times columnist Joe Sharkey, stated that the Nazis had a plan to "subvert and destroy German Christianity," which was to be accomplished through control and subversion of the churches and to be completed after the war.[65][66] However the report stated this goal was limmited to a "sector of the National Socialist party," namely Alfred Rosenberg and Baldur von Schirach.[67] Historian Roger Griffin maintains: "There is no doubt that in the long run Nazi leaders such as Hitler and Himmler intended to eradicate Christianity just as ruthlessly as any other rival ideology, even if in the short term they had to be content to make compromises with it."[68]

However, since 2003 this view has been challenged.[69][70] In his study The Holy Reich, the historian Richard Steigmann-Gall comes to the conclusion that Christianity, "in the final analysis, did not constitute a barrier to Nazism." Furthermore, he comments on the reason why Nazism is quite often seen as the opposite of Christianity:

"What we suppose Nazism must surely have been about usually tells us as much about contemporary societies as about the past purportedly under review. The insistence that Nazism was an anti-Christian movement has been one of the most enduring truisms of the past fifty years.... Exploring the possibility that many Nazis regarded themselves as Christian would have decisively undermined the myths of the Cold War and the regeneration of the German nation ... Nearly all Western societies retain a sense of Christian identity to this day.... That Nazism as the world-historical metaphor for human evil and wickedness should in some way have been related to Christianity can therefore be regarded by many only as unthinkable."[71]

Steigmann-Gall's views, however, run against the general consensus on the subject.[72]


Lovely bold there; I don't know if I agree or disagree. It is quite possible Hitler wanted to do away with the church after the second world war; they would have been a threat. But, these citations come from wiki. Wiki is less reliable than a methed out, one legged hobo. Do you have a citation from, say, any of the museums and or repositories where the actual documents are kept?

You won't get far in your argument without stuff like that.

/ the national archives has stuff like that; so do the smithsonian institutions. I imagine some of it is available on the Internet
 
2012-06-04 01:31:50 AM

intelligent comment below: BronyMedic: intelligent comment below: I'll repeat this just for amusement. Speaking of ignorance and trolling

So your evidence that Hitler loved Christianity was that some historians debate his plans for genocide after World War II?

Careful with that much straw, you might pose a fire hazard.


excuse me? You posted historically inaccurate links and made false accusations with no evidence at all.

I'll post the entire section here for you to build a new strawman to hide behind just because you can't admit the Nazi party was Christian

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_Nazi_Germany#Nazi_Attitudes_ t owards_Christianity

Nazi Attitudes towards Christianity

Many Nazis promoted positive Christianity a militant, non-denominational form of Christianity which emphasized Christ as an active fighter and anti-semite who opposed the institutionalized Judaism of his day.[35] Even in the later years of the Third Reich, many Protestant and Catholic clergy within Germany persisted in believing that Nazism was in its essence in accordance with Christian precepts.[36]

The Nazi leadership made use of both Christian symbolism, indigenous Germanic pagan imagery, and ancient Roman symbolism in their propaganda. However the use of pagan symbolism worried some Protestants.[37] Many Nazi leaders, including Adolf Hitler,[38] subscribed either to a mixture of pseudoscientific theories, particularly Social Darwinism,[39] or to mysticism and occultism, which was especially strong in the SS.[citation needed] Central to both groupings was the belief in Germanic (white Northern-European) racial superiority. The existence of a Ministry of Church Affairs, instituted in 1935 and headed by Hanns Kerrl, was hardly recognized by ideologists such as Alfred Rosenberg or by other political decision-makers.[citation needed]

In a confidential message to the Gauleiter on June 9, 1941, Martin Bormann, had declared that "National Socialism and Christianity are irreconcilable."[40] He also declared ...


Did you even read that? It doesn't reach the conclusion you did before you found it, skimmed it for supporting statements, then pasted and bolded it.
 
2012-06-04 01:33:08 AM
iheartscotch: Lovely bold there; I don't know if I agree or disagree. It is quite possible Hitler wanted to do away with the church after the second world war; they would have been a threat. But, these citations come from wiki. Wiki is less reliable than a methed out, one legged hobo. Do you have a citation from, say, any of the museums and or repositories where the actual documents are kept?

You won't get far in your argument without stuff like that.

/ the national archives has stuff like that; so do the smithsonian institutions. I imagine some of it is available on the Internet


He's using ass-pulls to troll because he doesn't have any factual evidence.

The Office of Strategic Services put together a report post-war which I linked earlier in the thread that detailed the Nazi Regime's plans for those who didn't fall in line with their Nationalistic Religion.
 
2012-06-04 01:33:13 AM

Sabyen91: If it weren't for our secular society they would still be killing people.


David Gunn, John Britton, James Barrett, Shannon Lowney, Lee Ann Nichols, Robert Sanderson, Barnett Slepian, and George Tiller would all like to have a word with you.

Oh no, wait, nevermind, they wouldn't. They're all too busy being dead.
 
2012-06-04 01:34:24 AM

thunderbird8804: A Non Amos: Just checked your bio, Bevets. Here's what I say (as always): I wrote down what I believe in full in my profile, so I'm leaving lurking now.

Post count: 11, that's a lot of lurking.

As for the evangelist farks in the article, let them destroy the minds of their children, let them raise their little tin army, and if they make the mistake of thinking the combined might of their arms and their god can overcome a free and democratic people, let their dreams of theocracy die along with them.


Having watched Red State recently, I got a kick out of this comment.
 
2012-06-04 01:35:39 AM

Ambivalence: Bevets: 2) Christians have been around for nearly two thousand years and have not engaged in genocide.

History isn't your strong suit is it?


People, PEOPLE, come to your senses!

He meant, of course, that they never SUCCEEDED in COMPLETELY FULFILLING a genocide!
 
2012-06-04 01:35:41 AM

Vangor: imprimere: I didn't see anything in there telling children to go kill people, but hey, someone has a book to sell. Let's all overrecat post-haste.

Begins second paragraph and ends seven paragraph, instructing children about the fact those clubs will in thousands of schools, amongst lessons taught in those clubs includes one concerning the Amalekites, and this lesson focuses on the fact God is serious about killing nonbelievers. Now, this may be an inaccurate depiction of the lesson and complete fabrication, but this is a different discussion from you not seeing this which means you did not read, are unable to read, or lack extremely basic reading comprehension.


Yeah, and that's all in the bible already. There is no specific written material telling kids to go and kill.

Second paragraph - mentions "genocide lessons", but doesn't site one damn line of anything.

Third paragraph - "As Stewart Describes" - again, more speculation.

Fourth paragraph - starts of paraphrasing the old testament and finishes with the ominous manual instruction of "that was pretty clear wasn't it?". OK, a little reference here. Certainly nothing directly is being said, but what if the manual goes on to explain that while that message was clear at that time, it's not what is done today? (as one example)

Fifth, Sixth, Seventh paragraph (subset of previous paragraph) - The manual instructs, again, the teaching of a lesson in the bible. The lesson is that obedience is key, though again, there is no mention of what modern day people are supposed to do as there are no more Amalekites left to kill. And more author interpretation about what the manual "champions". Not a single damning direct quote.

So, where did I miss what you somehow found again? This is all specualtion about what the agenda infers, but there is no written edict about killing non-believers.

Now, can we all get back to panicking?
 
2012-06-04 01:37:58 AM

LindyJohn: Perhaps your research should stretch just a little beyond Wikipedia. I can list a number of real books if you like.

I'm not saying that that evil has never been done in the name of Christianity, but this just isn't one of them.



There are about 20 citations in that article alone. How about picking one out and showing me why it's wrong?
 
2012-06-04 01:38:18 AM

BronyMedic: iheartscotch: Lovely bold there; I don't know if I agree or disagree. It is quite possible Hitler wanted to do away with the church after the second world war; they would have been a threat. But, these citations come from wiki. Wiki is less reliable than a methed out, one legged hobo. Do you have a citation from, say, any of the museums and or repositories where the actual documents are kept?

You won't get far in your argument without stuff like that.

/ the national archives has stuff like that; so do the smithsonian institutions. I imagine some of it is available on the Internet

He's using ass-pulls to troll because he doesn't have any factual evidence.

The Office of Strategic Services put together a report post-war which I linked earlier in the thread that detailed the Nazi Regime's plans for those who didn't fall in line with their Nationalistic Religion.


The best line being the last.

From the wiki ass-pull: That Nazism as the world-historical metaphor for human evil and wickedness should in some way have been related to Christianity can therefore be regarded by many only as unthinkable."[71]
 
2012-06-04 01:38:36 AM

BronyMedic: intelligent comment below: Wall of text, Gish Gallop attempt at quoting Wikipedia

Quote Wikipedia to despute Office of Strategic Service reports and actual academic dissections of Hitler's own Writings.

Claim debate victory. (Danth's Law of Internet Debate: If you have to insist that you've won an Internet argument, you've probably lost badly.)

intelligent comment below, everybody!

Let's give him a hand! No. Really. He needs one.



Exactly what I knew you would do. You can't even admit you were caught in a bullshiat lie.
 
2012-06-04 01:39:47 AM

iheartscotch: Lovely bold there; I don't know if I agree or disagree. It is quite possible Hitler wanted to do away with the church after the second world war; they would have been a threat. But, these citations come from wiki. Wiki is less reliable than a methed out, one legged hobo. Do you have a citation from, say, any of the museums and or repositories where the actual documents are kept?

You won't get far in your argument without stuff like that.

/ the national archives has stuff like that; so do the smithsonian institutions. I imagine some of it is available on the Internet



Feel free to click on any one of the numerous links on the Wikipedia page and prove it wrong.
 
2012-06-04 01:39:47 AM

BronyMedic: intelligent comment below: Wall of text, Gish Gallop attempt at quoting Wikipedia

Quote Wikipedia to despute Office of Strategic Service reports and actual academic dissections of Hitler's own Writings.

Claim debate victory. (Danth's Law of Internet Debate: If you have to insist that you've won an Internet argument, you've probably lost badly.)

intelligent comment below, everybody!

Let's give him a hand! No. Really. He needs one.


Oh for fark's sake, will you two please just go get a room, already?
 
2012-06-04 01:40:30 AM
s2s2s2: From the wiki ass-pull: That Nazism as the world-historical metaphor for human evil and wickedness should in some way have been related to Christianity can therefore be regarded by many only as unthinkable."[71]

It's embarrassing when your own Intellectual Checkmate directly disputes the conclusion you draw from it.
 
2012-06-04 01:41:50 AM

BronyMedic: He's using ass-pulls to troll because he doesn't have any factual evidence.

The Office of Strategic Services put together a report post-war which I linked earlier in the thread that detailed the Nazi Regime's plans for those who didn't fall in line with their Nationalistic Religion.



A report from the 1940's

Far more relevant than 20 citations on a Wiki article.

Then you proclaim you have "factual evidence"

What a piece of work you are.

Have you ever spent one day in a college class room? That's what I thought.

Let the adults debate because you embarrassed yourself AGAIN for the 3rd day in a row.
 
2012-06-04 01:44:22 AM
This is fun. You play a brilliant fool, ICB.
 
2012-06-04 01:45:33 AM

BronyMedic: s2s2s2: From the wiki ass-pull: That Nazism as the world-historical metaphor for human evil and wickedness should in some way have been related to Christianity can therefore be regarded by many only as unthinkable."[71]

It's embarrassing when your own Intellectual Checkmate directly disputes the conclusion you draw from it.



Do you have any idea what you're mocking?

Could you both be any more intellectually dishonest?

Can't admit the facts proved you wrong, you need to pick and choose one sentence in a quote from one historian.
 
2012-06-04 01:45:44 AM

BronyMedic: iheartscotch: Lovely bold there; I don't know if I agree or disagree. It is quite possible Hitler wanted to do away with the church after the second world war; they would have been a threat. But, these citations come from wiki. Wiki is less reliable than a methed out, one legged hobo. Do you have a citation from, say, any of the museums and or repositories where the actual documents are kept?

You won't get far in your argument without stuff like that.

/ the national archives has stuff like that; so do the smithsonian institutions. I imagine some of it is available on the Internet

He's using ass-pulls to troll because he doesn't have any factual evidence.

The Office of Strategic Services put together a report post-war which I linked earlier in the thread that detailed the Nazi Regime's plans for those who didn't fall in line with their Nationalistic Religion.


Well damn; no sleep for me then. I've always been fascinated by the second world war. And, I've always wondered how an ego maniacal drama queen managed to basically co-opt a place like Germany.

/ I know the facts; but it just seems like someone should have said, "hey, you mustachioed tard; you're certifiably insane and we shouldn't listen to you anymore"
 
2012-06-04 01:46:06 AM
Glad to see the "no true christian" brigade alive and well on fark.

Anyone can be baptized a christian, attend church regularly, be quoted again and again as saying they're christian, use christian symbols, but as soon as they do any act that makes christianity look bad , they're not a real christian!
 
2012-06-04 01:46:44 AM
s2s2s2: This is fun. You play a brilliant fool, ICB.

I'm starting to feel bad. It's like picking on the kid in Special Ed that gets fed through a tube and pisses himself in Gym Class.
 
2012-06-04 01:47:13 AM

s2s2s2: This is fun. You play a brilliant fool, ICB.



What's fun? That you linked one sentence of the entire debate on the Wiki page?

Here you go

However other historians maintain no such plan existed.[61][62][63][64] Summarizing a 1945 Office of Strategic Services report, New York Times columnist Joe Sharkey, stated that the Nazis had a plan to "subvert and destroy German Christianity," which was to be accomplished through control and subversion of the churches and to be completed after the war.[65][66] However the report stated this goal was limmited to a "sector of the National Socialist party," namely Alfred Rosenberg and Baldur von Schirach.[67]
 
2012-06-04 01:47:49 AM

iheartscotch: Well damn; no sleep for me then. I've always been fascinated by the second world war. And, I've always wondered how an ego maniacal drama queen managed to basically co-opt a place like Germany.

/ I know the facts; but it just seems like someone should have said, "hey, you mustachioed tard; you're certifiably insane and we shouldn't listen to you anymore"



Keep in mind

However other historians maintain no such plan existed.[61][62][63][64] Summarizing a 1945 Office of Strategic Services report, New York Times columnist Joe Sharkey, stated that the Nazis had a plan to "subvert and destroy German Christianity," which was to be accomplished through control and subversion of the churches and to be completed after the war.[65][66] However the report stated this goal was limmited to a "sector of the National Socialist party," namely Alfred Rosenberg and Baldur von Schirach.[67]
 
2012-06-04 01:48:10 AM
Kali-Yuga: Glad to see the "no true christian" brigade alive and well on fark.

Anyone can be baptized a christian, attend church regularly, be quoted again and again as saying they're christian, use christian symbols, but as soon as they do any act that makes christianity look bad , they're not a real christian!


But of course, they're also representative of the entirety of Christiandom!

Pointing out Logical fallacies...you're doing them wrong...
 
2012-06-04 01:49:03 AM
 
2012-06-04 01:49:34 AM

Kali-Yuga: Anyone can be baptized a christian,


Well the Quakers don't do baptisms. They also don't do creeds. They just worry about what Jesus said and leave two thousands years of doctrine and theology outside.
 
2012-06-04 01:50:29 AM
Funny....the same people who whine whenever extreme Christians go nuts....have no problem when Muslims preach AND carry out the exact same thing...its crickets when Muslims kill in the name of religion

I guess if these people prayed to Allah it would be OK to kill for religion...amirite?
 
2012-06-04 01:50:41 AM

BronyMedic: s2s2s2: This is fun. You play a brilliant fool, ICB.

I'm starting to feel bad. It's like picking on the kid in Special Ed that gets fed through a tube and pisses himself in Gym Class.



The special ed kid?

Your only fall back in this argument is a 1945 report from the OSS while I posted paragraphs with citations that show historians completely deny your opinions.

Even in the later years of the Third Reich, many Protestant and Catholic clergy within Germany persisted in believing that Nazism was in its essence in accordance with Christian precepts.

From the mid 1930s, anti-Christian elements within the Nazi party became more prominent, however they were restrained by Hitler.

A number of historians maintain that the Nazis had a general covert plan, which some argue existed before the Nazis' rose to power,[53] to destroy Christianity within the Reich.[54][55][56][57][58][59][60] To what extent a plan to subordinate the churches and limit their role in the country's life existed before the Nazi rise to power, and exactly who among the Nazi leadership supported such a move remains contested."[53] However other historians maintain no such plan existed

Summarizing a 1945 Office of Strategic Services report, New York Times columnist Joe Sharkey, stated that the Nazis had a plan to "subvert and destroy German Christianity," which was to be accomplished through control and subversion of the churches and to be completed after the war.[65][66] However the report stated this goal was limmited to a "sector of the National Socialist party," namely Alfred Rosenberg and Baldur von Schirach


It doesn't get any more special ed than this

My arguments > your arguments

The end

Ignored
 
2012-06-04 01:50:41 AM
images.sodahead.com
 
2012-06-04 01:51:43 AM

UCFRoadWarrior: have no problem when Muslims preach AND carry out the exact same thing...its crickets when Muslims kill in the name of religion



Exactly. Fark is full of us who celebrate terrorist attacks after they happen.
 
2012-06-04 01:51:47 AM

PacManDreaming: There seems to be several people in this thread that really need to listen to this song.


And the people talked about in TFA should listen to this song
 
2012-06-04 01:52:52 AM
You know, for someone who supposedly ignored me, someone's raging pretty hard.

At this point, I'd like to take a break in the thread to plug Ben And Jerry's coffee Heath Bar Crunch ice cream.

This stuff is awesome. Each bite is like the tears of impotent rage in this thread.
 
2012-06-04 01:53:09 AM

brap: So whose going to break the news to them that the Amelikites were already wiped out?


delathi: What if they weren't?
If someone showed up and claimed to be an Amelikite, would modern Christians and Jews and Muslims still be obligated to kill them?


The funny thing is 1 Chr. 4:42-43 talks about another battle in which the Amelikites were again "wiped out." So apparently God's Chosen People aren't as thorough at wiping as they should be.

I think we ought to form an "Amelikite Club" and meet in public schools. Just be sure to bring your bullet-proof vest if you attend.

On the other hand, apparently Christians are supposed to murder witches, too, and I think that may have happened one or two times in the past. Doesn't seem to happen much in North America anymore. Wiccans might want to leave Papua New Guinea and Africa off their vacation itineraries, however.
 
2012-06-04 01:53:58 AM

UCFRoadWarrior: .have no problem when Muslims preach AND carry out the exact same thing


2.bp.blogspot.com

I believe the sergeant here would like to make a few comments about the best parts of you and inquire as to the viable status of your mothers progeny.
 
2012-06-04 01:55:05 AM

FloydA: There are those who agree with Bevets, and those who don't.

Choose.


i look at it this way: armed forces welcomes all religions. people seem to forget their holy books and do good lessons when it comes time to kill each other. few faiths are full balls-on hell no we won't go re: killing in war time.

i've seen parents raise their children in church & they're so proud when their two boys went off to try and kill someone in war. blew my farking mind.
 
2012-06-04 01:55:17 AM
Christians committed genocide on American soil:

http://freetruth.50webs.org/A4a.htm
 
2012-06-04 01:56:12 AM

ciberido: The funny thing is 1 Chr. 4:42-43 talks about another battle in which the Amelikites were again "wiped out." So apparently God's Chosen People aren't as thorough at wiping as they should be.


Course all that is rather contrary to what Jesus taught. When Jesus told the parable of the good Samaritan he was indeed teaching the exact opposite. It's not just about being nice to strangers, in the context of its day it was as radical as anything Malcolm X ever imagined saying. It was a declaration against xenophobia, the idea that you are entitled to think of yourself as innately superior to someone else simply because they're different and so on.
 
2012-06-04 01:56:36 AM

0Icky0: BronyMedic: Oh please. Tell me more about Hitler's love for Christianity. I'm curious to see how much revisionist history you can get in.

"My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison. To-day, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He had to shed His blood upon the Cross. As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice... And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly it is the distress that daily grows. For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people.

-Adolf Hitler, in a speech on 12 April 1922 (Norman H. Baynes, ed. The Speeches of Adolf Hitler, April 1922-August 1939, Vol. 1 of 2, pp. 19-20, Oxford University Press, 1942)


The point of Christianity is not that Jesus fought hypocritical leaders, and died for a cause. Those things are part of the story, but the point is that he rose again and is able to personally reconcile all sinful men of every tongue, tribe, and nation, to their Creator. This doesn't show up, not even a hint, in Hitler's quote above.
 
2012-06-04 01:56:39 AM

BronyMedic: You know, for someone who supposedly ignored me, someone's raging pretty hard.

At this point, I'd like to take a break in the thread to plug Ben And Jerry's coffee Heath Bar Crunch ice cream.

This stuff is awesome. Each bite is like the tears of impotent rage in this thread.


What's awesome about you not having one actual response to the quotes I posted from Wikipedia that proved your entire arguments wrong, AGAIN?

Just as I thought. You couldn't be a man and admit you lost, AGAIN. So you resort to childish trolling and insults after you were owned by actual sources and facts AGAIN. Back to ignore, the logic is lost on a little child with no education.
 
2012-06-04 01:56:40 AM
So Adolf wanted all organized god fearing religions gassed so he could put his own god fearing religion in place.
How is that not religious intentions?
whatever...

Way to go christians, you've managed to thread shiat divert the attention that your about to teach hate in our public schools to a unrelated 70 year old war.

Gee, I was wondering how this compares to Vlad the Impaler?
IT DOESN'T, ASSHAT!!
How about Genghis Kahn?
sigh...

As entertaining as it is to read Hitler rants (not), you're avoiding talk about the radical religious people teaching hate to children in public schools in modern time... Gettin all Godwinny is such low hanging fruit.
 
2012-06-04 01:57:55 AM

WhyteRaven74: And the people talked about in TFA should listen to this song


Yeah, it's like this part of their Bible was removed.
 
2012-06-04 01:58:31 AM

BronyMedic: You know, for someone who supposedly ignored me, someone's raging pretty hard.

At this point, I'd like to take a break in the thread to plug Ben And Jerry's coffee Heath Bar Crunch ice cream.

This stuff is awesome. Each bite is like the tears of impotent rage in this thread.


Mint Cookie for me. Perfect summer treat.
 
2012-06-04 01:58:33 AM

UCFRoadWarrior: Funny....the same people who whine whenever extreme Christians go nuts....have no problem when Muslims preach AND carry out the exact same thing...its crickets when Muslims kill in the name of religion


1. Take care of shiat in your own country before you go invading other countries to solve their religious problems.
2. See number 1.
 
2012-06-04 02:00:59 AM

GentDirkly: The point of Christianity is not that Jesus fought hypocritical leaders, and died for a cause. Those things are part of the story, but the point is that he rose again and is able to personally reconcile all sinful men of every tongue, tribe, and nation, to their Creator. This doesn't show up, not even a hint, in Hitler's quote above.


Maybe because Hitler realized how silly it was.
 
2012-06-04 02:01:05 AM

s2s2s2: BronyMedic: You know, for someone who supposedly ignored me, someone's raging pretty hard.

At this point, I'd like to take a break in the thread to plug Ben And Jerry's coffee Heath Bar Crunch ice cream.

This stuff is awesome. Each bite is like the tears of impotent rage in this thread.

Mint Cookie for me. Perfect summer treat.



Another idiot who can't face the facts and admit they were wrong.
 
2012-06-04 02:02:37 AM

intelligent comment below: BronyMedic: You know, for someone who supposedly ignored me, someone's raging pretty hard.

At this point, I'd like to take a break in the thread to plug Ben And Jerry's coffee Heath Bar Crunch ice cream.

This stuff is awesome. Each bite is like the tears of impotent rage in this thread.

What's awesome about you not having one actual response to the quotes I posted from Wikipedia that proved your entire arguments wrong, AGAIN?

Just as I thought. You couldn't be a man and admit you lost, AGAIN. So you resort to childish trolling and insults after you were owned by actual sources and facts AGAIN. Back to ignore, the logic is lost on a little child with no education.


Classic stuff. You have a talent for feigned idiocy.

/tips hat
//just the tip
///promise
 
2012-06-04 02:03:22 AM

intelligent comment below: s2s2s2: BronyMedic: You know, for someone who supposedly ignored me, someone's raging pretty hard.

At this point, I'd like to take a break in the thread to plug Ben And Jerry's coffee Heath Bar Crunch ice cream.

This stuff is awesome. Each bite is like the tears of impotent rage in this thread.

Mint Cookie for me. Perfect summer treat.


Another idiot who can't face the facts and admit they were wrong.


Yeah, why can't you?
 
2012-06-04 02:04:24 AM

GentDirkly: , but the point is that he rose again and is able to personally reconcile all sinful men of every tongue


Many early Christians would take issue with that. Indeed it took a few centuries and ecumenical council to declare that's what it was. Jesus himself never claimed any such thing. And the whole thing rests one of two possible interpretations of a verse from Paul.

PacManDreaming: Yeah, it's like this part of their Bible was removed.


It's more than a verse that's missing, it's an entire parable they're apparently completely ignorant of.
 
2012-06-04 02:06:04 AM

BronyMedic: But of course, they're also representative of the entirety of Christiandom!

Pointing out Logical fallacies...you're doing them wrong...


The only reason the "no true scotsman" fallacy may not apply is that there are as many definitions of what it is to be a christian as there are christians.
Religious apologists are experts at moving the goal posts and being deliberately vague on what exactly constitutes a "real christian"


But I'm sure Torquemada wasn't a "real christian" either right?
 
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