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2012-06-04 12:17:54 AM  
Praise the Lord, and pass the ammunition.
 
2012-06-04 12:18:16 AM  

GAT_00: original worthless troll-bot.


I read that as "Flo-bot" at first and the non sequitor nearly broke my brain.

/really am starting to hope the Mayans were right
 
2012-06-04 12:19:20 AM  

Vangor: sharpiegreed: The most amazing part of the Good News Club for me is that I know for alot of kids, the meal we serve them is the only decent food they will get for the rest of the day and sometimes the praise and attention we give is all they will get outside of the classroom. Sometimes including the classroom.

I, on the other hand, volunteer my time, money, and other resources both within and outside the classroom without asking any of them to follow my particular brand of belief on anything. Not to say you may not do good works, I just prefer good works for the sake of good works. Advertise a tad, maybe wear a shirt. Oddly, some Christians do this, as do other religious groups, and those people are fantastic. You, you might be alright provided the crap linked in the article is not actually being preached.


Some people are only in community projects for the "branding" of Christianity. But GNC is not a meal program, it is a religion club that provides meals. I have volunteered in many areas, including Americorps, nursing homes, community clean-ups, and the list goes on. I'm not so naive that I don't realize there are nutso Christians that only want to enforce their agenda. I'm just not one of them and neither are my friends who also volunteer. I really hope that the article took that lesson out of context. I don't condone that type of stuff and would not be a part of it. I am a very liberal Christian and so are many of my peers. But the Fundamentalists are louder and get more attention.
 
2012-06-04 12:19:26 AM  

cameroncrazy1984: iheartscotch: I'm giving this a big fat MEH; it isn't any different from the norm. Children are indoctrinated by their existence; nurture vs nature and all that. A child brought up in an extremely religious household will obviously have a different outlook then a child brought up in an atheistic household.

That's not true at all. I was brought up in an extremely religious household, and I'm about as atheist as they come now.


But; I would think you'd agree that it shifted your perspective.
 
2012-06-04 12:19:42 AM  

iheartscotch: Sabyen91: iheartscotch: Sabyen91: iheartscotch: What's wrong with a little indoctrination; every now and then?

It might be the killing.

Now now, let's not bicker and argue about who killed who, this is supposed to be a happy occasion!

/ people will always find reasons to kill other people

// unless you want to throw out the constitution; people have the right to teach their children pretty much whatever they want

Finding a nice easy reason to kill people...religion, killing in the name of...

As I said; people don't need much of a reason.


And religion is an easy reason. How about you Christians police your own?
 
2012-06-04 12:20:49 AM  

FirstNationalBastard: It should be considered child abuse to force religion on children.

If someone is so bugfark nuts to want to believe in fairy tales once they reach adulthood, that's their business. But to poison the minds of impressionable children with this crap and turn them into hatemongers and terrorists based on a millennium old book of fairy tales is despicable, and should be seen as a reason to have the children removed from the care of the irresponsible individuals brainwashing them.

/religion is a mental illness.


Amen.
 
2012-06-04 12:20:51 AM  
Isn't it bad enough that they have their little clubs at colleges (like Campus Crusade and others)? Now they want to brainwash little kids?

Religion is like a penis: It's fine to have one. It's fine to be proud of it. But keep it to yourself and don't expose children to it.
 
2012-06-04 12:21:23 AM  

Bevets: 2) Christians have been around for nearly two thousand years and have not engaged in genocide.


Tell that to these folks:

espressostalinist.files.wordpress.com

I'm sure all those passages in the Bible where God said it was okay to murder every man, woman, and child who lived in the land promised to the Hebrews had NO influence on the various groups of Christians who saw the Americas as their new "promised land".
 
2012-06-04 12:21:43 AM  

LovingTeacher: I think it is a good thing that these christians are being so open about what they believe. In the long run it will lose them the children they seek to indoctrinate. There is a christian group that meets after school at the school I work at called Squire The Fire. A real nutty right wing fundamentalist group. Several of the kids go to it because they are expected to by their parents. Those kids have told me in confidence one of the reasons they allow themselves to be forced to go is so they can go to conferences in large cities a couple of times a year, the school I work at is in a town of 500. The reason they want to go to these conferences? Hook up with girls and smoke weed.


* Aquire the fire

Stupid autocorrect
 
2012-06-04 12:22:30 AM  

Bevets: "Good News" clubs teach children in public schools the Biblical importance of killing all non believers

This headline is full of fail. 1) For the Secular Fundamentalist: these clubs are not held during school hours. They are held after hours when the general public has access to public schools. 2) Christians have been around for nearly two thousand years and have not engaged in genocide.


The Crusades and the Spanish Inquisition would like a word...
 
2012-06-04 12:22:58 AM  

Mad_Radhu: Bevets: 2) Christians have been around for nearly two thousand years and have not engaged in genocide.

Tell that to these folks:

[espressostalinist.files.wordpress.com image 575x446]

I'm sure all those passages in the Bible where God said it was okay to murder every man, woman, and child who lived in the land promised to the Hebrews had NO influence on the various groups of Christians who saw the Americas as their new "promised land".


That doesn't count, they didn't use religion as an excuse! Manifest destiny? What is that?
 
2012-06-04 12:24:22 AM  

brap: So whose going to break the news to them that the Amelikites were already wiped out?


What if they weren't?
If someone showed up and claimed to be an Amelikite, would modern Christians and Jews and Muslims still be obligated to kill them?
 
2012-06-04 12:24:32 AM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: This thread is a Godwin waiting to happen

/is that a Godwin in itself?


Yo dog, I heard you like godwins....


And I'm really hoping the article is satire
 
2012-06-04 12:24:34 AM  
Lionel Mandrake: Positive Christianity is still Christianity

Disingenuous Statement. Calling Positive Christianity "Christianity" would be like calling Jones' or Korresh's cult Christianity.

I have no love for the Church, but I call things like they are.
 
2012-06-04 12:24:56 AM  
Religion of peace
 
2012-06-04 12:25:47 AM  

Gyrfalcon: iheartscotch: What's wrong with a little indoctrination; every now and then?

I'm giving this a big fat MEH; it isn't any different from the norm. Children are indoctrinated by their existence; nurture vs nature and all that. A child brought up in an extremely religious household will obviously have a different outlook then a child brought up in an atheistic household.

You must not have read the article. This is very different from the norm.

The instruction manual goes on to champion obedience in all things. In fact, pretty much every lesson that the Good News Club gives involves reminding children that they must, at all costs, obey. If God tells you to kill nonbelievers, he really wants you to kill them all. No questions asked, no exceptions allowed."

That's a lot different from even the most extremely religious households I've run across any time in the last 40 years. I don't recall any of my rabidly religious peers being explicitly told they had to start stoning unbelievers; if you've had different experiences, do please relate them.


I do find this reprehensible; but my point was, no matter how reprehensible; it is still the right of the parent(s) to teach their children. It's not any different from skinheads. When we limit the freedom of some; we limit the freedom of all. I feel that the right to speak your mind, without having to fear for your safety, is one of the greatest (and possibly the greatest exploited) freedom we have as Americans.
 
2012-06-04 12:26:11 AM  

Bevets: 2) Christians have been around for nearly two thousand years and have not engaged in genocide.



hahahahaha
 
2012-06-04 12:29:05 AM  
Bevets troll is successful.
 
2012-06-04 12:29:18 AM  

sharpiegreed: Just because some Christians are crazy and fanatical doesn't mean every Christian is crazy and fanatical.



Funny because this was the same argument many people said about Islam after 9/11, and the response was "well then they should condemn the terrorist extremists and do everything to shut them up"

So lets do this, get them out of your organization.
 
2012-06-04 12:30:05 AM  
Has the mean ol' troll gone away now? Is it safe to come out yet?
 
2012-06-04 12:30:40 AM  

iheartscotch: But; I would think you'd agree that it shifted your perspective.


No, I'm pretty sure I have the same perspective now as a child who grew up in an atheist household and has remained atheistic.
 
2012-06-04 12:30:42 AM  

gingerjet: Of course - back then - the Catholic church wasn't batshiat crazy.



Of course it was, you just never heard about it. Thank the internet for opening up everyones eyes to the truth about many evil things. During your days, "back then" they were covertly covering up child abuse among many other things, including embezzling mob money.
 
2012-06-04 12:31:10 AM  

BronyMedic: Lionel Mandrake: Positive Christianity is still Christianity

Disingenuous Statement. Calling Positive Christianity "Christianity" would be like calling Jones' or Korresh's cult Christianity.

I have no love for the Church, but I call things like they are.


Sorry, they use the Bible, they worship Jesus...just because you think they go too far doesn't give you the right to say they're not true christians. Hell, say what you want, they easily meet the minimum qualifications for "Christianity" in my book.

Hell, Positive Christianity is no more out of the mainstream than Mormonism
 
2012-06-04 12:31:13 AM  

iheartscotch: Gyrfalcon: iheartscotch: What's wrong with a little indoctrination; every now and then?

I'm giving this a big fat MEH; it isn't any different from the norm. Children are indoctrinated by their existence; nurture vs nature and all that. A child brought up in an extremely religious household will obviously have a different outlook then a child brought up in an atheistic household.

You must not have read the article. This is very different from the norm.

The instruction manual goes on to champion obedience in all things. In fact, pretty much every lesson that the Good News Club gives involves reminding children that they must, at all costs, obey. If God tells you to kill nonbelievers, he really wants you to kill them all. No questions asked, no exceptions allowed."

That's a lot different from even the most extremely religious households I've run across any time in the last 40 years. I don't recall any of my rabidly religious peers being explicitly told they had to start stoning unbelievers; if you've had different experiences, do please relate them.

I do find this reprehensible; but my point was, no matter how reprehensible; it is still the right of the parent(s) to teach their children. It's not any different from skinheads. When we limit the freedom of some; we limit the freedom of all. I feel that the right to speak your mind, without having to fear for your safety, is one of the greatest (and possibly the greatest exploited) freedom we have as Americans.


No argument there; but let them do it OUTSIDE my public schools, thank you very much and I don't care what the Supreme Court said.
 
2012-06-04 12:31:45 AM  

FirstNationalBastard: It should be considered child abuse to force religion on children.

If someone is so bugfark nuts to want to believe in fairy tales once they reach adulthood, that's their business. But to poison the minds of impressionable children with this crap and turn them into hatemongers and terrorists based on a millennium old book of fairy tales is despicable, and should be seen as a reason to have the children removed from the care of the irresponsible individuals brainwashing them.

/religion is a mental illness.


Who pissed in your coffee today?
 
2012-06-04 12:32:59 AM  

Lionel Mandrake: BronyMedic: The Nazi Regime had a plan to replace Christianity as we know it with their version, called Positive Christianity.

Positive Christianity is still Christianity


You have a poor grasp of logic, history, psychology, and life in general if you think that's true.

Pull you dick outta that poor chicken.
 
2012-06-04 12:34:07 AM  

Diogenes The Cynic: FirstNationalBastard: It should be considered child abuse to force religion on children.

If someone is so bugfark nuts to want to believe in fairy tales once they reach adulthood, that's their business. But to poison the minds of impressionable children with this crap and turn them into hatemongers and terrorists based on a millennium old book of fairy tales is despicable, and should be seen as a reason to have the children removed from the care of the irresponsible individuals brainwashing them.

/religion is a mental illness.

Who pissed in your coffee today?



God, apparently.
 
2012-06-04 12:34:21 AM  

LovingTeacher: I think it is a good thing that these christians are being so open about what they believe. In the long run it will lose them the children they seek to indoctrinate. There is a christian group that meets after school at the school I work at called Squire The Fire. A real nutty right wing fundamentalist group. Several of the kids go to it because they are expected to by their parents. Those kids have told me in confidence one of the reasons they allow themselves to be forced to go is so they can go to conferences in large cities a couple of times a year, the school I work at is in a town of 500. The reason they want to go to these conferences? Hook up with girls and smoke weed.


Sounds about right. I used to regularly go to a sci-fi convention that always took place in the same hotel on the same weekend as a Catholic Charisma convention. And invariably, if the hotel had problems that weekend with noisy guests, underage drinking, etc., it was ALWAYS with the Catholic Charisma guests.

As you might imagine, there's virtually no overlap between those two groups, but I always made a point that if someone from the Catholic Charisma convention ever had questions about what we do, what books to read, what TV shows or movies to watch, etc., I'd answer to the best of my ability. The last time that happened, I suggested to a young boy (probably 10-12 years old) that he should watch "Babylon 5".
 
2012-06-04 12:34:31 AM  

Diogenes The Cynic: FirstNationalBastard: It should be considered child abuse to force religion on children.

If someone is so bugfark nuts to want to believe in fairy tales once they reach adulthood, that's their business. But to poison the minds of impressionable children with this crap and turn them into hatemongers and terrorists based on a millennium old book of fairy tales is despicable, and should be seen as a reason to have the children removed from the care of the irresponsible individuals brainwashing them.

/religion is a mental illness.

Who pissed in your coffee today?


Hateful religious people would be my first guess.
 
2012-06-04 12:35:16 AM  
Lionel Mandrake: Sorry, they use the Bible, they worship Jesus...just because you think they go too far doesn't give you the right to say they're not true christians. Hell, say what you want, they easily meet the minimum qualifications for "Christianity" in my book.

So all Arabs are terrorists, right?
All Jews are Zionists?
All Shintoists support the resurrection of Japanese Imperialistic Nationalism?

Tell me more how a theopolitical cult which replaced what we would call "Christianity" as we know it with Aryan supremacy and German Nationalism is representative of the whole of Christiandom again?
 
2012-06-04 12:36:53 AM  

Sabyen91: iheartscotch: Sabyen91: iheartscotch: Sabyen91: iheartscotch: What's wrong with a little indoctrination; every now and then?

It might be the killing.

Now now, let's not bicker and argue about who killed who, this is supposed to be a happy occasion!

/ people will always find reasons to kill other people

// unless you want to throw out the constitution; people have the right to teach their children pretty much whatever they want

Finding a nice easy reason to kill people...religion, killing in the name of...

As I said; people don't need much of a reason.

And religion is an easy reason. How about you Christians police your own?


What would you have "you Christians" do? To denounce them publicly only puts pay to the notion that they are persecuted for their beliefs. They would then become more secretive; and more reclusive. That's how incidents like wako and Jamestown happen. You take one part charismatic preacher, two parts needy people, one part persecution and three parts seclusion; and you get tragedy.

/ there is no easy solution; these people are on the fringe. And rightly or wrongly; they feel that they are right and the rest of us are out to get them

// as I said, I agree that this is reprehensible in the extreme
 
2012-06-04 12:37:40 AM  

BronyMedic: Lionel Mandrake: Sorry, they use the Bible, they worship Jesus...just because you think they go too far doesn't give you the right to say they're not true christians. Hell, say what you want, they easily meet the minimum qualifications for "Christianity" in my book.

So all Arabs are terrorists, right?
All Jews are Zionists?
All Shintoists support the resurrection of Japanese Imperialistic Nationalism?

Tell me more how a theopolitical cult which replaced what we would call "Christianity" as we know it with Aryan supremacy and German Nationalism is representative of the whole of Christiandom again?



All he said was the Nazi's were CHRISTIANS.

Your only argument is to say they hated the Catholic Church, as if that mattered in regards to his point.

You and your small mind need to wrap your head around the fact you have no knowledge to debate such topics. Go away
 
2012-06-04 12:39:42 AM  

germ78: So this all knowing and all powerful god has to farm his dirty work out to his true believers, instead of meting out the punishment himself.


What do you mean? He killed everyone in the world except for one family in a boat. He killed people for picking up sticks on the Sabbath. He killed the guy who tried to stop the Ark of the Covenant from falling to the ground. He sent bears to kill 40 children who laughed at a bald man.

Oh, don't worry. He's a stone-cold killer.
 
2012-06-04 12:40:31 AM  
intelligent comment below: Your only argument is to say they hated the Catholic Church, as if that mattered in regards to his point.

You should have stuck to race-baiting. You might have actually gotten a rise out of me on that one, troll.

That argument is everything. Hitler viewed Christians the same as he viewed the Jews - another group to be hated by the true German People and to build the mythos of the superior Aryans upon. To him, Protestants and Catholics alike had polluted the purity of the German ubermensche with their blasphemy, and they would either convert or die.

intelligent comment below: You and your small mind need to wrap your head around the fact you have no knowledge to debate such topics. Go away

Oh please. Tell me more about Hitler's love for Christianity. I'm curious to see how much revisionist history you can get in.
 
2012-06-04 12:41:27 AM  
0Icky0: What do you mean? He killed everyone in the world except for one family in a boat. He killed people for picking up sticks on the Sabbath. He killed the guy who tried to stop the Ark of the Covenant from falling to the ground. He sent bears to kill 40 children who laughed at a bald man.

Oh, don't worry. He's a stone-cold killer.


God's a tremendous dick, whether it's in the Talmud, or the Old Testament which was based on it. He just managed to get on a hefty dose of Lithium and Haldol before he knocked up Mary.
 
2012-06-04 12:41:36 AM  

BronyMedic: Hitler viewed Christians the same as he viewed the Jews - another group to be hated by the true German People and to build the mythos of the superior Aryans upon.


citation needed

BronyMedic: Tell me more about Hitler's love for Christianity. I'm curious to see how much revisionist history you can get in.


No, why don't you tell me about his hate for it? I'm waiting on the links
 
2012-06-04 12:43:07 AM  

wildcardjack: Bevets: Christians have been around for nearly two thousand years and have not engaged in genocide.

[t6ak.roblox.com image 420x420]

You've never heard of Oliver Cromwell, have ya? Or the wars and genocidal acts of the protestant reformation? Or the Trail of Tears? Or how the Crusaders took Jerusalem and slaughtered everyone inside, after offering amnesty. And I bet the Spanish reconquest didn't come off without slaughtering a few whole cities. And then there's some Charlie Chaplin look alike who racked up an outrageous gas bill after having written a book that included something alone the lines of "My Christian duty".

To be fair, Religion isn't the reason for goading people to genocide. It's about power. And you'll seldom find genocides conducted without the blessing of those in power.

Oh, and one last note... Rwanda is about 90% Christian.


Add the Teutonic Knights and what they did to the pagan Baltic tribes to that list. It's no coincidence that the Nazis viewed those guys as role-models....

/ still not sure if Bevets isn't trolling all of us....
 
2012-06-04 12:43:38 AM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: This thread is a Godwin waiting to happen

/is that a Godwin in itself?


Sometimes Godwin is just God being full of win.

I believe that saying that a thread is a Godwin waiting to happen is some kind of variant on the rhetorical device of "denial", as in: Far be it from me to say that you are a scum-sucking skank. The user of the rhetorical device of "denial"

Or it could be a simple paradox, like saying "Don't think of an elephant."

Did you think of an elephant? Of course you did. It is impossible not to think of an elephant when you hear or see the word "elephant" unless you are ignorant of the English word or perhaps suffer from some kind of brain damage, such as separation of the right and left hemispheres--people with that can see a picture of an elephant but can't think of the word, and can see the word but can't associate it with the thing and its connotations.

Saying "Godwin" will make web-savey people think of Hitler, while it will make other people who don't know about Godwin's Law think of William Godwin, the utilitarian philosopher, journalist, publisher, etc., who married the great feminist philosopher and campaigner, Mary Wollstonecraft (she kept her maiden name), and fathered Mary Godwin, aka Mary Shelley, wife of the poet and author of the brilliant and seminal fantasy, Frankenstein, as well as other works of note.

In a thread about something as disturbing as Old Testament Christianity, William Godwin is a pleasant and comforting thought.

God bless the Godwins! They were quite the nuclear family, even by modern standards.
 
2012-06-04 12:43:46 AM  
I see that a shiny new Fark ex-lurker has bridged the gap between faith and reason, and done a good job of it.

Welcome to kitty's Blue section.
 
2012-06-04 12:43:47 AM  

cameroncrazy1984: iheartscotch: But; I would think you'd agree that it shifted your perspective.

No, I'm pretty sure I have the same perspective now as a child who grew up in an atheist household and has remained atheistic.


Huh, well I suppose the nuns didn't do so good a job on you. I grew up Roman catholic; I know that the experience, coupled with catholic school shifted my perspective.

/ mostly recovered; but I still catch myself frowning on things that really aren't my business
 
2012-06-04 12:46:01 AM  

Bevets: "Good News" clubs teach children in public schools the Biblical importance of killing all non believers

This headline is full of fail. 1) For the Secular Fundamentalist: these clubs are not held during school hours. They are held after hours when the general public has access to public schools. 2) Christians have been around for nearly two thousand years and have not engaged in genocide.


the witch burnings, Salem, the Inquisition, all the millions of south american natives converted at swordpoint, the crusades,

yeah, pretty much calling bullshiat on Bevets here.
 
2012-06-04 12:46:48 AM  

BronyMedic: Oh please. Tell me more about Hitler's love for Christianity. I'm curious to see how much revisionist history you can get in.

"My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison. To-day, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He had to shed His blood upon the Cross. As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice... And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly it is the distress that daily grows. For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people.


-Adolf Hitler, in a speech on 12 April 1922 (Norman H. Baynes, ed. The Speeches of Adolf Hitler, April 1922-August 1939, Vol. 1 of 2, pp. 19-20, Oxford University Press, 1942)
 
2012-06-04 12:48:11 AM  

brap: So whose going to break the news to them that the Amelikites were already wiped out?


Don't be such a bible literalist. The Amalakites are a complex metaphor for whatever is suitable to the reader at the time.

You know, like the rest of the bible.
 
2012-06-04 12:48:21 AM  

intelligent comment below: sharpiegreed: Just because some Christians are crazy and fanatical doesn't mean every Christian is crazy and fanatical.


Funny because this was the same argument many people said about Islam after 9/11, and the response was "well then they should condemn the terrorist extremists and do everything to shut them up"

So lets do this, get them out of your organization.


I wouldn't say it is an argument, more like my personal opinion. I don't feel the need to argue with someone about their beliefs. When I was Agnostic, I was attacked by Athiests for believing in something other than nothing and by Christians for not believing in God. Nothing either group said changed how I felt.

My contribution begins with my son. My hope is to raise him as a compassionate and intelligent man. To teach him about the world and let him choose his own path and support his decisions.
I would also like to add being a Christian and being open-minded are not mutually exclusive. I love sex, booze, and rock and roll. I support gay marriage, vote Democrat, and curse. I've smoked a little weed. I have friends of all walks of life. And if I didn't, that would be okay too. I'm not defined by a single decision or belief. And I won't define you (the collective you) either.

Unless you are a troll ;)
 
2012-06-04 12:48:33 AM  

Gyrfalcon: iheartscotch: Gyrfalcon: iheartscotch: What's wrong with a little indoctrination; every now and then?

I'm giving this a big fat MEH; it isn't any different from the norm. Children are indoctrinated by their existence; nurture vs nature and all that. A child brought up in an extremely religious household will obviously have a different outlook then a child brought up in an atheistic household.

You must not have read the article. This is very different from the norm.

The instruction manual goes on to champion obedience in all things. In fact, pretty much every lesson that the Good News Club gives involves reminding children that they must, at all costs, obey. If God tells you to kill nonbelievers, he really wants you to kill them all. No questions asked, no exceptions allowed."

That's a lot different from even the most extremely religious households I've run across any time in the last 40 years. I don't recall any of my rabidly religious peers being explicitly told they had to start stoning unbelievers; if you've had different experiences, do please relate them.

I do find this reprehensible; but my point was, no matter how reprehensible; it is still the right of the parent(s) to teach their children. It's not any different from skinheads. When we limit the freedom of some; we limit the freedom of all. I feel that the right to speak your mind, without having to fear for your safety, is one of the greatest (and possibly the greatest exploited) freedom we have as Americans.

No argument there; but let them do it OUTSIDE my public schools, thank you very much and I don't care what the Supreme Court said.


I agree; can you imagine the outrage if someone were to open an atheist study group in a public school setting. If one can't do it, no one can.
 
2012-06-04 12:48:37 AM  
intelligent comment below: citation needed

Maybe you'd to hear it direct from the Office of the Strategic Services' own report on Nazi Persecution of Religion during the Second World War.

http://org.law.rutgers.edu/publications/law-religion/articles/RJLR_3_ 1 _2.pdf

"This study describes, with illustrative factual evidence, Nazi purposes, policies and methods of persecution of the Christian Churches in Germany and occupied Europe." This study is important not only as a justification for the strategy adopted in subsequent trial briefs, but also for its elucidation of "criminal organisational" elements of religious persecution within, for example, Goebels Ministry of Propaganda

intelligent comment below: No, why don't you tell me about his hate for it? I'm waiting on the links

http://org.law.rutgers.edu/publications/law-religion/nurinst1.shtml

I expect an apology for your stupidity. Doubt I'll get it.
 
2012-06-04 12:49:17 AM  
Whoops! I didn't finish one of my sentences. This was not a rhetorical device. It was sloppy editing.

The user of the rhetorical device of "denial" says by not saying: this is called apophasis in classical rhetoric.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apophasis

Lots of interesting stuff there if you like rhetoric. In fact, there's even a bit of theology:

An apophatic theology sees God as ineffable and attempts to describe God in terms of what God is not. Apophatic statements refer to transcendence in this context, as opposed to cataphasis referring to immanence.

God. He is definitely not Adolph Hitler. I wish more Christians would figure this out for themselves.
 
2012-06-04 12:49:23 AM  

hourheroyes: Don't be such a bible literalist. The Amalakites are a complex metaphor for whatever is suitable to the reader at the time.


I always preferred the Ammonites to the Amalakites. They had those nice curvy shells.
 
2012-06-04 12:49:47 AM  

brantgoose: Old Testament Christianity


What makes this phrase truly sad is not that it would indicate your lack of knowledge about the conflict in that grouping of words, but the fact that it is a real thing and you do, in fact know what you are saying when you use them.

Old Testament Christians are a paradox, and must be destroyed. God commands it. But, lets just stick with humiliation.
It worked on me. I became more humble. I'm pretty farking good at it, now!

/;)
 
2012-06-04 12:51:30 AM  

sharpiegreed: intelligent comment below: sharpiegreed: Just because some Christians are crazy and fanatical doesn't mean every Christian is crazy and fanatical.


Funny because this was the same argument many people said about Islam after 9/11, and the response was "well then they should condemn the terrorist extremists and do everything to shut them up"

So lets do this, get them out of your organization.

I wouldn't say it is an argument, more like my personal opinion. I don't feel the need to argue with someone about their beliefs. When I was Agnostic, I was attacked by Athiests for believing in something other than nothing and by Christians for not believing in God. Nothing either group said changed how I felt.

My contribution begins with my son. My hope is to raise him as a compassionate and intelligent man. To teach him about the world and let him choose his own path and support his decisions.
I would also like to add being a Christian and being open-minded are not mutually exclusive. I love sex, booze, and rock and roll. I support gay marriage, vote Democrat, and curse. I've smoked a little weed. I have friends of all walks of life. And if I didn't, that would be okay too. I'm not defined by a single decision or belief. And I won't define you (the collective you) either.

Unless you are a troll ;)



I'm not a troll, I'm just trying to show this viewpoint was demanded upon moderate Muslims since 9/11 and it's of course impossible to do.

You seem like an okay guy/girl
 
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