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2012-06-03 11:33:29 PM  
You know who else liked to kill people that didn't agree with them?

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2012-06-03 11:35:11 PM  

brap: Take it down a notch with the namecalling, you bloviating hoagie-biting mansandwich


Alright. Now that the gauntlet has been thrown down, we shall now officially set the rules for the thread.
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2012-06-03 11:41:29 PM  

dopeydwarf: You know who else liked to kill people that didn't agree with them?

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Political leaders? Like King Fernindad and Queen Isabella?
Moses (if he existed)?
 
2012-06-03 11:43:21 PM  
I am a Good News Club volunteer.
If followed correctly, it is simply church for children. They have a meal, sing bible songs, have a basic bible lesson (like the Good Samaritan), play games for small prizes, memorize a bible verse, and have a story about a missionary.

In no way, shape, or form should there be anything else going on. It is no different than traditonal Vacation Bible School or Sunday School.

I see that the article is talking about a lesson in next year's plan, which I have not seen and can't comment on it's accuracy.

Just because some Christians are crazy and fanatical doesn't mean every Christian is crazy and fanatical.

I did not convert to Christianity until I was 30 years old. I have been on both sides of the fence and both sides have ridiculous assumptions about the other.

The most amazing part of the Good News Club for me is that I know for alot of kids, the meal we serve them is the only decent food they will get for the rest of the day and sometimes the praise and attention we give is all they will get outside of the classroom. Sometimes including the classroom.

These children are not forced to go to club. It is a completely voluntary club. Parents sign permission slips. If you have any earnest questions about my experience with the Good News Club , EIP.

I'm not trying to change any one person's opinion. I just wanted to share my experience.
 
2012-06-03 11:43:35 PM  
More and more, Christians seem to confuse the Golden Rule with Golden Axe.
 
2012-06-03 11:44:15 PM  

Darth_Lukecash: dopeydwarf: You know who else liked to kill people that didn't agree with them?

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Political leaders? Like King Fernindad and Queen Isabella?
Moses (if he existed)?


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2012-06-03 11:48:16 PM  
As much as I want to pitch a hissy fit I understand that this is one good lawyering up from getting the ole heave ho on either seperation of church and state or nurturing fascist hate groups. It reads like an Onion article.

I wish I had some flan.
 
2012-06-03 11:49:08 PM  
I taught Sunday school for several years (it was an easy way to get out of going to church) and we spent most of our time teaching them to do good things and respect each other. Of course - back then - the Catholic church wasn't batshiat crazy.

/wonder what those kids parents would think now that they know that the guys teaching their little snowflakes were gay
 
2012-06-03 11:49:36 PM  

sharpiegreed: If followed correctly, it is simply church for children. They have a meal, sing bible songs, have a basic bible lesson (like the Good Samaritan), play games for small prizes, memorize a bible verse, and have a story about a missionary.


Why does this need to happen at a school, again?
 
2012-06-03 11:51:01 PM  

sharpiegreed: I am a Good News Club volunteer.
If followed correctly, it is simply church for children. They have a meal, sing bible songs, have a basic bible lesson (like the Good Samaritan), play games for small prizes, memorize a bible verse, and have a story about a missionary.

In no way, shape, or form should there be anything else going on. It is no different than traditonal Vacation Bible School or Sunday School.

I see that the article is talking about a lesson in next year's plan, which I have not seen and can't comment on it's accuracy.

Just because some Christians are crazy and fanatical doesn't mean every Christian is crazy and fanatical.

I did not convert to Christianity until I was 30 years old. I have been on both sides of the fence and both sides have ridiculous assumptions about the other.

The most amazing part of the Good News Club for me is that I know for alot of kids, the meal we serve them is the only decent food they will get for the rest of the day and sometimes the praise and attention we give is all they will get outside of the classroom. Sometimes including the classroom.

These children are not forced to go to club. It is a completely voluntary club. Parents sign permission slips. If you have any earnest questions about my experience with the Good News Club , EIP.

I'm not trying to change any one person's opinion. I just wanted to share my experience
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you're all dead! dead! 'cuz the Bible tells me so! This is my body! It will be shed for you and for all so that sins may be forgiven. Do this in memory of me! Drink my blood, too! Don't look at it Marion! It's beautiful! Face Melting! Aaarrgghhh!


FTFY.

OK not really.
 
2012-06-03 11:53:03 PM  

sharpiegreed: I am a Good News Club volunteer.
If followed correctly, it is simply church for children. They have a meal, sing bible songs, have a basic bible lesson (like the Good Samaritan), play games for small prizes, memorize a bible verse, and have a story about a missionary.

In no way, shape, or form should there be anything else going on. It is no different than traditonal Vacation Bible School or Sunday School.

I see that the article is talking about a lesson in next year's plan, which I have not seen and can't comment on it's accuracy.

Just because some Christians are crazy and fanatical doesn't mean every Christian is crazy and fanatical.

I did not convert to Christianity until I was 30 years old. I have been on both sides of the fence and both sides have ridiculous assumptions about the other.

The most amazing part of the Good News Club for me is that I know for alot of kids, the meal we serve them is the only decent food they will get for the rest of the day and sometimes the praise and attention we give is all they will get outside of the classroom. Sometimes including the classroom.

These children are not forced to go to club. It is a completely voluntary club. Parents sign permission slips. If you have any earnest questions about my experience with the Good News Club , EIP.

I'm not trying to change any one person's opinion. I just wanted to share my experience.


Have you tried doing thes things in a building designed for it... Like a church? :)

I don't mind Christian/Any religious clubs in school. However institutional hate should never be taught. Nor should it affects child's social/accadmic standing.
 
2012-06-03 11:55:35 PM  
"The Amalekites had heard about Israel's true and living God many years before, but they refused to believe in him. The Amalekites refused to believe in God and God had promised punishment."

I think had I heard this in elementary school I might have become an atheist earlier.

"there are new state laws now in California which "require homosexual indoctrination for all students" in the school systems across the state...

Oh you people. I wish there was a God so he could remind you with lightning lying is wrong.
 
2012-06-03 11:56:55 PM  

gingerjet: I taught Sunday school for several years (it was an easy way to get out of going to church) and we spent most of our time teaching them to do good things and respect each other. Of course - back then - the Catholic church wasn't batshiat crazy.

/wonder what those kids parents would think now that they know that the guys teaching their little snowflakes were gay


Now?

My mom
and dad were cracking altar boy sex jokes back in the 80's and that was years before the first stories broke. They knew.
 
2012-06-03 11:57:26 PM  
I mean, seriously, of what use is someone that doesn't believe exactly as you do?
 
2012-06-03 11:58:55 PM  

A Non Amos: Thank you for that, Bevets. I'm tired of setting firestorms around here. Frankly, I think I've already had my say. After all, it's not like anyone gives a damn.


Are you farking stoned? You thanked Bevets and then said you are sick of firestorms?
 
2012-06-03 11:59:32 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: Fun fact: the vast majority of Germans in the 1930s and 40s were devout Christians!


Fun fact: the vast majority of Germans in the 1930s and '40s weren't Nazis and had little to do with the war or the genocide.

Look, there are a lot of good and easy arguments that can be made against what Bevets said (or really, anything Bevets says), but this one is just stupid.
 
2012-06-04 12:00:40 AM  
What's wrong with a little indoctrination; every now and then?

I'm giving this a big fat MEH; it isn't any different from the norm. Children are indoctrinated by their existence; nurture vs nature and all that. A child brought up in an extremely religious household will obviously have a different outlook then a child brought up in an atheistic household.
 
2012-06-04 12:01:04 AM  

100 Watt Walrus: Lionel Mandrake: Fun fact: the vast majority of Germans in the 1930s and 40s were devout Christians!

Fun fact: the vast majority of Germans in the 1930s and '40s weren't Nazis and had little to do with the war or the genocide.

Look, there are a lot of good and easy arguments that can be made against what Bevets said (or really, anything Bevets says), but this one is just stupid.


Actually German citizens knew what was happening.

/Just following orders isn't just something people made up.
 
2012-06-04 12:01:33 AM  
You better enjoy here while you're here because there's no here there.
 
2012-06-04 12:01:43 AM  

Darth_Lukecash: sharpiegreed: I am a Good News Club volunteer.
If followed correctly, it is simply church for children. They have a meal, sing bible songs, have a basic bible lesson (like the Good Samaritan), play games for small prizes, memorize a bible verse, and have a story about a missionary.

In no way, shape, or form should there be anything else going on. It is no different than traditonal Vacation Bible School or Sunday School.

I see that the article is talking about a lesson in next year's plan, which I have not seen and can't comment on it's accuracy.

Just because some Christians are crazy and fanatical doesn't mean every Christian is crazy and fanatical.

I did not convert to Christianity until I was 30 years old. I have been on both sides of the fence and both sides have ridiculous assumptions about the other.

The most amazing part of the Good News Club for me is that I know for alot of kids, the meal we serve them is the only decent food they will get for the rest of the day and sometimes the praise and attention we give is all they will get outside of the classroom. Sometimes including the classroom.

These children are not forced to go to club. It is a completely voluntary club. Parents sign permission slips. If you have any earnest questions about my experience with the Good News Club , EIP.

I'm not trying to change any one person's opinion. I just wanted to share my experience.

Have you tried doing thes things in a building designed for it... Like a church? :)

I don't mind Christian/Any religious clubs in school. However institutional hate should never be taught. Nor should it affects child's social/accadmic standing.


I would never condone teaching hate. It's not done in the privacy of my own home and it certainly isn't kosher anywhere else. How do they figure it affects social or academic standing? The school I volunteer at has about 300 3rd, 4th, and 5th graders. An average week had 50 kids. About 40 of those kids attended church regularly in the community. They did not receive any type of school recognition or grade for participating.
 
2012-06-04 12:01:43 AM  

sharpiegreed: The most amazing part of the Good News Club for me is that I know for alot of kids, the meal we serve them is the only decent food they will get for the rest of the day and sometimes the praise and attention we give is all they will get outside of the classroom. Sometimes including the classroom.


I, on the other hand, volunteer my time, money, and other resources both within and outside the classroom without asking any of them to follow my particular brand of belief on anything. Not to say you may not do good works, I just prefer good works for the sake of good works. Advertise a tad, maybe wear a shirt. Oddly, some Christians do this, as do other religious groups, and those people are fantastic. You, you might be alright provided the crap linked in the article is not actually being preached.
 
2012-06-04 12:01:54 AM  
Oh, subby.

What's wrong? Afraid to look for articles about Muslims teaching their children the same thing, along with how Jews are animals and bathe in the blood of dead Islamic children?

I guess you're just too CS to insult Muslims...
 
2012-06-04 12:02:03 AM  

iheartscotch: What's wrong with a little indoctrination; every now and then?


It might be the killing.
 
2012-06-04 12:02:54 AM  

douchebag/hater: Oh, subby.

What's wrong? Afraid to look for articles about Muslims teaching their children the same thing, along with how Jews are animals and bathe in the blood of dead Islamic children?

I guess you're just too CS to insult Muslims...


Yeah, I think it was pretty wrong. If you don't...you are a psychopath.
 
2012-06-04 12:02:58 AM  

Ed Finnerty: More and more, Christians seem to confuse the Golden Rule with Golden Axe.


Are you high?

Moses killed half his own people immediately after coming down off the mountain with Thou Shalt Not Kill. The pope used to conquer small nations. The inquisition!!!

Christians today are ideal. Much less stabby than they used to be.
 
2012-06-04 12:04:01 AM  

100 Watt Walrus: Lionel Mandrake: Fun fact: the vast majority of Germans in the 1930s and 40s were devout Christians!

Fun fact: the vast majority of Germans in the 1930s and '40s weren't Nazis and had little to do with the war or the genocide.

Look, there are a lot of good and easy arguments that can be made against what Bevets said (or really, anything Bevets says), but this one is just stupid.


Fun fact: Nazi Party members were every bit as church going as their silent, acquiescent neighbors.
 
2012-06-04 12:04:47 AM  

Bevets: Christians have been around for nearly two thousand years and have not engaged in genocide.


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You've never heard of Oliver Cromwell, have ya? Or the wars and genocidal acts of the protestant reformation? Or the Trail of Tears? Or how the Crusaders took Jerusalem and slaughtered everyone inside, after offering amnesty. And I bet the Spanish reconquest didn't come off without slaughtering a few whole cities. And then there's some Charlie Chaplin look alike who racked up an outrageous gas bill after having written a book that included something alone the lines of "My Christian duty".

To be fair, Religion isn't the reason for goading people to genocide. It's about power. And you'll seldom find genocides conducted without the blessing of those in power.

Oh, and one last note... Rwanda is about 90% Christian.
 
2012-06-04 12:06:09 AM  
Lionel Mandrake: Fun fact: Nazi Party members were every bit as church going as their silent, acquiescent neighbors.

Fun Fact 2: Hitler had no love for Christianity. To him, the Catholic Church was every bit as vile as the Jews, but they served a very useful purpose.

The Nazi Regime had a plan to replace Christianity as we know it with their version, called Positive Christianity.
 
2012-06-04 12:06:15 AM  
Yawn, Steve B is boring.
 
2012-06-04 12:06:27 AM  

illannoyin: You better enjoy here while you're here because there's no here there.


Here sucks and i'm glad it's not there.
 
2012-06-04 12:06:39 AM  

Bevets: "Good News" clubs teach children in public schools the Biblical importance of killing all non believers

This headline is full of fail. 1) For the Secular Fundamentalist: these clubs are not held during school hours. They are held after hours when the general public has access to public schools. 2) Christians have been around for nearly two thousand years and have not engaged in genocide.


You are correct on #1, but ever so wrong on #2. I'm sure this has been pointed out many times already.
 
2012-06-04 12:07:47 AM  

Sabyen91: iheartscotch: What's wrong with a little indoctrination; every now and then?

It might be the killing.


Now now, let's not bicker and argue about who killed who, this is supposed to be a happy occasion!

/ people will always find reasons to kill other people

// unless you want to throw out the constitution; people have the right to teach their children pretty much whatever they want
 
2012-06-04 12:08:30 AM  

doglover: Christians today are ideal. Much less stabby than they used to be.


Idea, but not perfect. Still too loud. Still afraid of things like fantasy books (irony) and ouija boards.
 
2012-06-04 12:08:53 AM  
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Wanted for questioning?

/shhhuuuunnnn
 
2012-06-04 12:08:55 AM  

A Non Amos: Say, off point, but: I might be one of the newestly-looking Farkers around here, but I've lurked for years. I lurked while I was in high school, whenever that nag of a librarian wasn't watching.


Lurk moar.
 
2012-06-04 12:09:01 AM  

iheartscotch: // unless you want to throw out the constitution; people have the right to teach their children pretty much whatever they want


Even to yell fire in a crowded theater?

Yelling fire in a crowded theater isn't in the constitution
 
2012-06-04 12:09:11 AM  

iheartscotch: Sabyen91: iheartscotch: What's wrong with a little indoctrination; every now and then?

It might be the killing.

Now now, let's not bicker and argue about who killed who, this is supposed to be a happy occasion!

/ people will always find reasons to kill other people

// unless you want to throw out the constitution; people have the right to teach their children pretty much whatever they want


Finding a nice easy reason to kill people...religion, killing in the name of...
 
2012-06-04 12:09:45 AM  

iheartscotch: I'm giving this a big fat MEH; it isn't any different from the norm. Children are indoctrinated by their existence; nurture vs nature and all that. A child brought up in an extremely religious household will obviously have a different outlook then a child brought up in an atheistic household.


That's not true at all. I was brought up in an extremely religious household, and I'm about as atheist as they come now.
 
2012-06-04 12:09:45 AM  
I didn't see anything in there telling children to go kill people, but hey, someone has a book to sell. Let's all overrecat post-haste.
 
2012-06-04 12:10:10 AM  

sharpiegreed: I am a Good News Club volunteer.
If followed correctly, it is simply church for children. They have a meal, sing bible songs, have a basic bible lesson (like the Good Samaritan), play games for small prizes, memorize a bible verse, and have a story about a missionary.

In no way, shape, or form should there be anything else going on. It is no different than traditonal Vacation Bible School or Sunday School.

I see that the article is talking about a lesson in next year's plan, which I have not seen and can't comment on it's accuracy.

Just because some Christians are crazy and fanatical doesn't mean every Christian is crazy and fanatical.

I did not convert to Christianity until I was 30 years old. I have been on both sides of the fence and both sides have ridiculous assumptions about the other.

The most amazing part of the Good News Club for me is that I know for alot of kids, the meal we serve them is the only decent food they will get for the rest of the day and sometimes the praise and attention we give is all they will get outside of the classroom. Sometimes including the classroom.

These children are not forced to go to club. It is a completely voluntary club. Parents sign permission slips. If you have any earnest questions about my experience with the Good News Club , EIP.

I'm not trying to change any one person's opinion. I just wanted to share my experience.


Go sell you bat shiat crazy mental retardation elsewhere. We're all stocked up here(planet earth).
 
2012-06-04 12:10:17 AM  

kingoomieiii: doglover: Christians today are ideal. Much less stabby than they used to be.

Idea, but not perfect. Still too loud. Still afraid of things like fantasy books (irony) and ouija boards.


If it weren't for our secular society they would still be killing people.
 
2012-06-04 12:11:42 AM  

iheartscotch: What's wrong with a little indoctrination; every now and then?

I'm giving this a big fat MEH; it isn't any different from the norm. Children are indoctrinated by their existence; nurture vs nature and all that. A child brought up in an extremely religious household will obviously have a different outlook then a child brought up in an atheistic household.


You must not have read the article. This is very different from the norm.

The instruction manual goes on to champion obedience in all things. In fact, pretty much every lesson that the Good News Club gives involves reminding children that they must, at all costs, obey. If God tells you to kill nonbelievers, he really wants you to kill them all. No questions asked, no exceptions allowed."

That's a lot different from even the most extremely religious households I've run across any time in the last 40 years. I don't recall any of my rabidly religious peers being explicitly told they had to start stoning unbelievers; if you've had different experiences, do please relate them.
 
2012-06-04 12:12:10 AM  

BronyMedic: The Nazi Regime had a plan to replace Christianity as we know it with their version, called Positive Christianity.


Positive Christianity is still Christianity
 
2012-06-04 12:14:13 AM  
This reminds me of an amazing article I read, I'm Christian, unless you're gay

Great read
 
2012-06-04 12:14:27 AM  

Britney Spear's Speculum: iheartscotch: // unless you want to throw out the constitution; people have the right to teach their children pretty much whatever they want

Even to yell fire in a crowded theater?

Yelling fire in a crowded theater isn't in the constitution


There's a lot of things not in the constitution; but freedom of speech is. I agree that it's reprehensible to indoctrinate children; but it is constitutionally upheld.
 
2012-06-04 12:14:28 AM  
There are those who agree with Bevets, and those who don't.

Choose.
 
2012-06-04 12:15:28 AM  
I think it is a good thing that these christians are being so open about what they believe. In the long run it will lose them the children they seek to indoctrinate. There is a christian group that meets after school at the school I work at called Squire The Fire. A real nutty right wing fundamentalist group. Several of the kids go to it because they are expected to by their parents. Those kids have told me in confidence one of the reasons they allow themselves to be forced to go is so they can go to conferences in large cities a couple of times a year, the school I work at is in a town of 500. The reason they want to go to these conferences? Hook up with girls and smoke weed.
 
2012-06-04 12:16:26 AM  

imprimere: I didn't see anything in there telling children to go kill people, but hey, someone has a book to sell. Let's all overrecat post-haste.


Begins second paragraph and ends seven paragraph, instructing children about the fact those clubs will in thousands of schools, amongst lessons taught in those clubs includes one concerning the Amalekites, and this lesson focuses on the fact God is serious about killing nonbelievers. Now, this may be an inaccurate depiction of the lesson and complete fabrication, but this is a different discussion from you not seeing this which means you did not read, are unable to read, or lack extremely basic reading comprehension.
 
2012-06-04 12:17:39 AM  

Sabyen91: iheartscotch: Sabyen91: iheartscotch: What's wrong with a little indoctrination; every now and then?

It might be the killing.

Now now, let's not bicker and argue about who killed who, this is supposed to be a happy occasion!

/ people will always find reasons to kill other people

// unless you want to throw out the constitution; people have the right to teach their children pretty much whatever they want

Finding a nice easy reason to kill people...religion, killing in the name of...


As I said; people don't need much of a reason.
 
2012-06-04 12:17:48 AM  
My solution, not necessarily final:

i169.photobucket.com
 
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