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(Wikipedia)   Dear M4 guys: while you're fussing like women over your plastic guns this morning, I'll be using the rifle that won the Battle of Stalingrad. Love, Subby   (en.wikipedia.org) divider line 135
    More: Amusing, Battle of Stalingrad, Middle Eastern countries, Spanish Civil War, Collapse of the Soviet Union, Eastern Bloc, principle of uniformity, Red Army, Vladivostok  
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ZAZ [TotalFark]
2012-06-03 10:02:59 AM  
Are there German kids on the lawn three blocks away, subby?
 
2012-06-03 10:28:23 AM  
I have both an 1888 commission rifle and a 1954 mosin nagant.

The 1888 rifle is better in almost every aspect.
 
2012-06-03 11:34:35 AM  
But will you be able to hit anything with it?
 
2012-06-03 12:11:17 PM  
Nothing says fussy like an M-16. But I'll stick to my BAR in 270 WSM, thanks.
 
2012-06-03 12:52:18 PM  
Meh, I got the rifle that won the Pacific.

Besides, I don't see how subby can fire overextended battle lines and almost no resupply.
 
2012-06-03 12:53:00 PM  
The rifle had nothing to do with the outcome of the Battle of Stalingrad, it was the endless zerg-rushing of the Soviets that turned the tide.

/One out of two gets rifle. The one without, follows him! When the one with the rifle gets killed, the one who is following picks up the rifle and shoots!
 
2012-06-03 12:55:27 PM  
Oh, this should be fun.

5.56 isn't big enough! We want 7.62!
 
2012-06-03 12:57:00 PM  
There is no shame or in your trollflame is there subby?
 
2012-06-03 01:37:26 PM  
www.cbrps.com

therealgunguys.com

Love the center balance kit for the Mosin!
 
2012-06-03 01:56:48 PM  
I hate the idea of having to buy a ton of different types of ammo. Anyone know a semi-auto rifle that fires the same .308 that my Winchester Model 88 uses? Or, better yet, the same .30-30 that my Model 94 uses.
 
2012-06-03 01:57:42 PM  
Ammo?

/hates corrosion
 
2012-06-03 02:01:20 PM  
I've never seen a gun troll thread that didn't start with someone saying all guns should be confiscated for the good of the populace.

Learn something new every day.
 
2012-06-03 02:02:07 PM  
No one "won" the Battle of Stalingrad. One side ran out of people, but this is like "beating" a basketball team by being the last to have five players with a working set of knees.

At least we learned is that there is no limit to the number of people totalitarian assholes wouldn't throw into a meat grinder to feed their insatiable egos.
 
2012-06-03 02:03:11 PM  
Aluminium, subby. They're aluminium. (Aluminum for you damn yankees.)
 
2012-06-03 02:03:46 PM  

Fark It: The rifle had nothing to do with the outcome of the Battle of Stalingrad, it was the endless zerg-rushing of the Soviets that turned the tide.

/One out of two gets rifle. The one without, follows him! When the one with the rifle gets killed, the one who is following picks up the rifle and shoots!


Deserters will be shot!

Say what you will about plastic guns, but joining 100 other airsofters with my Marui AUG makes for a hell of a weekend
www.airsoftclub.gr
 
2012-06-03 02:08:48 PM  
Pretty sure frostbite was what won the battle of Stalingrad.
 
2012-06-03 02:09:29 PM  

TheShadow: Aluminium, subby. They're aluminium. (Aluminum for you damn yankees.)


I'm assuming this means you have a platinium wedding band, you pommy wanker.
 
2012-06-03 02:10:02 PM  

StoPPeRmobile: Ammo?

/hates corrosion


No. You hate cleaning.

If you clean it, it won't corrode. I shoot almost nothing but old "corrosive" ammo, and haven't seen any corrosion yet.
 
2012-06-03 02:10:05 PM  

MoronLessOff: Say what you will about plastic guns,


Love mine...

i201.photobucket.com

i201.photobucket.com
 
2012-06-03 02:12:36 PM  
Yeah! A gun porn thread

4.bp.blogspot.com

data.whicdn.com
 
2012-06-03 02:13:57 PM  
Is this you subby?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?src_vid=wPgt2georuU&feature=iv&annotatio n _id=annotation_347922&v=sbgj8HjZg0U

NSFW language.
 
2012-06-03 02:14:49 PM  
i do love my mossin a lot more than the M4's i've fired. but really, i just prefer bolt action to semi-auto. the physicallity of the bolt appeals to me, and i think the plastic guns look a bit gauche. wood furniture all the way!
 
2012-06-03 02:19:10 PM  

theorellior: I've never seen a gun troll thread that didn't start with someone saying all guns should be confiscated for the good of the populace.

Learn something new every day.


You've only seen gun threads on Alternate Universe Fark, then? Welcome to reality!
 
2012-06-03 02:22:52 PM  
i83.photobucket.com

I love my Remington Mosin-Nagant. Dirt cheap and fun to shoot.
 
2012-06-03 02:25:56 PM  

baka-san: MoronLessOff: Say what you will about plastic guns,

Love mine...

[i201.photobucket.com image 499x665]

[i201.photobucket.com image 640x480]


Inverted.

www.imfdb.org

hellinahandbasket.net


Anyone remember which episode of Stargate the awesomeness of the P-90 is demonstrated, compared to alien tech?
 
2012-06-03 02:29:04 PM  
You can pick one up at Big Five Sporting Goods for about $120. Saw the ad this morning.
 
2012-06-03 02:30:30 PM  
PPSh-41?
 
2012-06-03 02:31:00 PM  
i201.photobucket.com
 
2012-06-03 02:34:02 PM  

StoPPeRmobile: Anyone remember which episode of Stargate the awesomeness of the P-90 is demonstrated, compared to alien tech?


Yes. And thats why one of my airsoft guns is a P90. :D
 
2012-06-03 02:35:14 PM  
I shoot an NKD 190-J

Bet you've never even heard of it.
 
2012-06-03 02:35:24 PM  

dragonchild: No one "won" the Battle of Stalingrad. One side ran out of people, but this is like "beating" a basketball team by being the last to have five players with a working set of knees.

At least we learned is that there is no limit to the number of people totalitarian assholes wouldn't throw into a meat grinder to feed their insatiable egos.


Uhh, yeah there was. And the Soviet army's knees worked pretty damn good after that too!
 
2012-06-03 02:41:03 PM  

baka-san: [i201.photobucket.com image 591x512]


That dude looks like one of the Country Bears.
 
2012-06-03 02:52:00 PM  

Dired: PPSh-41?


Came here for some Shpagin love, glad someone feels the same way.
 
2012-06-03 02:52:39 PM  

baka-san: [i201.photobucket.com image 591x512]


Okay, that made me giggle.
 
2012-06-03 02:54:18 PM  

Fark It: The rifle had nothing to do with the outcome of the Battle of Stalingrad,


Yeah, it was the sending the troops over with insufficient supplies, no cold-weather gear (it'll be over before winter), the chunderheaded way German machinery had poor standardization, making field repairs difficult at best... and the supply-lines thing.


it was the endless zerg-rushing of the Soviets that turned the tide.

/One out of two gets rifle. The one without, follows him! When the one with the rifle gets killed, the one who is following picks up the rifle and shoots!


...and that's not how it happened.
 
2012-06-03 03:02:57 PM  
I've been dying to ask this question of some Fark gun nuts for a while now:

Why the fark did they build guns like the Mosin-Nagant with an internal magazine, but design them to be reloaded with a stripper? There are other rifles in history that also had those short internal mags, but which soldiers were trained never to actually remove the mag for reloading. I don't get it.

/can only shoot straight with a lever-action rifle
 
2012-06-03 03:14:45 PM  

Ricardo Klement: I have both an 1888 commission rifle and a 1954 mosin nagant.

The 1888 rifle is better in almost every aspect.


I have a Mosin Nagant originally built in 1897, and then rebuilt by Finland in 1942. It has a trigger that's butter smooth, and it can shoot the balls off a tick at 500 yards.

The Finns were taking pre-1900 guns and rebuilding them into world class sniper rifles into the 1970s. The action holds it's own against Mauser's design, in fact as a military weapon it's superior. It's simple, rugged, and accurate. Mauser's design is a work of art, but too complex, and far more prone to malfunction. I have Mosin's that have dirt, sand, and pine needles in the action left over from WWII, and the gun still operates flawlessly.

What most people know of the Mosin, comes from the many guns on the market in the U.S. Many of them have shot out and rusted bores, or have worn muzzles from over zealous cleaning. However, I'd pit an excellent condition Mosin against an excellent condition Mauser any day of the week. What you'd find is that both guns are accurate, so it's the man, not the tool that decides the outcome.
 
2012-06-03 03:15:47 PM  
The Russian winter is a rifle?

/I see AIMsurplus has some more MNs in for 80 bucks, I still have my FFL03 C&R license, I should get one.
 
2012-06-03 03:24:29 PM  

Mister Peejay: Fark It: The rifle had nothing to do with the outcome of the Battle of Stalingrad,

Yeah, it was the sending the troops over with insufficient supplies, no cold-weather gear (it'll be over before winter), the chunderheaded way German machinery had poor standardization, making field repairs difficult at best... and the supply-lines thing.


it was the endless zerg-rushing of the Soviets that turned the tide.

/One out of two gets rifle. The one without, follows him! When the one with the rifle gets killed, the one who is following picks up the rifle and shoots!

...and that's not how it happened.


If you read your history, you'd know that Hitler striped off the Panzers, and sent them south, and then the German commanders concentrated the vast majority of their forces into the city of Stalingrad itself, where they effectively captured the city. The Russians then launched a winter offensive that outflanked the German positions. Those flanks were held by auxiliary and non-German axis troops. Hitler recalled the Panzers, but they were not able to break through to the encircled German troops because of the harsh Russian winter conditions.
 
2012-06-03 03:24:32 PM  

HotWingAgenda: I've been dying to ask this question of some Fark gun nuts for a while now:

Why the fark did they build guns like the Mosin-Nagant with an internal magazine, but design them to be reloaded with a stripper? There are other rifles in history that also had those short internal mags, but which soldiers were trained never to actually remove the mag for reloading. I don't get it.

/can only shoot straight with a lever-action rifle


Making multiple magazines would have been more expensive, and they didn't believe in carrying lots of ammunition back then. With trenches being muddy little hell holes, magazines might have been better. But for the engineering of the day it probably wasn't the most reliable setup.

I'm sure Stalin would agree.

dl.dropbox.com
 
2012-06-03 03:25:53 PM  

HotWingAgenda: Why the fark did they build guns like the Mosin-Nagant with an internal magazine, but design them to be reloaded with a stripper? There are other rifles in history that also had those short internal mags, but which soldiers were trained never to actually remove the mag for reloading. I don't get it.


i've assumed some of it is cheapness. you can't lose a magazine if its bolted on. strippers are cheap to produce, doesn't matter much if a soldier drops it and even if you don't have one you can still load and operate the weapon
 
2012-06-03 03:29:27 PM  

HotWingAgenda: I've been dying to ask this question of some Fark gun nuts for a while now:

Why the fark did they build guns like the Mosin-Nagant with an internal magazine, but design them to be reloaded with a stripper? There are other rifles in history that also had those short internal mags, but which soldiers were trained never to actually remove the mag for reloading. I don't get it.


Loading with stripper clips was a pretty big improvement over the first repeating rifles, which were loaded by hand, one cartridge at a time. To give a bit of perspective, quite a few of the early repeaters had magazine cut-offs, which effectively turned them into single-shot guns and were to be engaged at all times until your CO gave permission to use the magazine. The idea was to keep the dumb, panicky rank and file from wasting their expensive ammunition too quickly until the officers decided that rapid fire was appropriate. The thought of allowing a soldier to discard part of his gun during battle would have made their little bean-counting heads explode.
 
2012-06-03 03:30:52 PM  

Farker Soze: /I see AIMsurplus has some more MNs in for 80 bucks, I still have my FFL03 C&R license, I should get one.


Be warned, they're like crack. Very few people buy just one and stop.

/had over 200 at one point
 
2012-06-03 03:31:32 PM  
Mosin Nagant M44 (carbine version)
The 7.62x54R round is well known for massive fireballs.

farm4.staticflickr.com
 
2012-06-03 03:34:42 PM  

way south: Making multiple magazines would have been more expensive, and they didn't believe in carrying lots of ammunition back then.


tlchwi02: you can't lose a magazine if its bolted on. strippers are cheap to produce,


Well, that actually makes a lot of sense. I guess they were banking on the possibility of some huge economic surge during the war and if they got access to a ton more metal and machining capability, they wanted to be able to use the mags without having to re-engineer everything to work with magazines?

Thanks!
 
2012-06-03 03:35:08 PM  

HotWingAgenda: I've been dying to ask this question of some Fark gun nuts for a while now:

Why the fark did they build guns like the Mosin-Nagant with an internal magazine, but design them to be reloaded with a stripper? There are other rifles in history that also had those short internal mags, but which soldiers were trained never to actually remove the mag for reloading. I don't get it.

/can only shoot straight with a lever-action rifle


Strippers are as quick as mags to change, and cheaper to manufacture.

I have a Russian (Tula Arsenal) SKS that is a fine piece of ComBloc craft.
 
2012-06-03 03:37:25 PM  

StoPPeRmobile: baka-san: MoronLessOff: Say what you will about plastic guns,

Love mine...

[i201.photobucket.com image 499x665]

[i201.photobucket.com image 640x480]

Inverted.

[www.imfdb.org image 350x245]

[hellinahandbasket.net image 640x286]


Anyone remember which episode of Stargate the awesomeness of the P-90 is demonstrated, compared to alien tech?


Found it. Season 5's The Warrior. Scene starts at 1:00. They really are overselling the P90 a bit IMHO though. Like, chop a log in half with half a magazine? OK...
 
2012-06-03 03:37:26 PM  
A moist nugget thread? Time to go back to /k/, subby.
 
2012-06-03 03:41:09 PM  

Farker Soze: They really are overselling the P90 a bit IMHO though. Like, chop a log in half with half a magazine? OK...


Mythbusters did it...with a minigun.
 
2012-06-03 03:42:58 PM  

HotWingAgenda: they wanted to be able to use the mags without having to re-engineer everything to work with magazines?


well actually, kind of thinking off that... with a stripper in WW1, you could essentially pick up any rifle or variant (carbines, full sized, etc) from any of the major combatants at any point and be ready to load and fire. very versatile.

/and strippers load pretty quickly
 
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