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2012-06-03 07:12:56 AM  
hmmm, no political expect, but the guy in the vid said sales were pretty good and pretty much in line with expectation, but the journo writing the story just detailed every negative possible about the sales. Shame really. Think we all need to start talking up our economies and stop moaning. Not sure what the complete answer is, but surely we need to be talking ourselves up, on both sides of the Atlantic and ensure it goes global. Make people feel confident again
 
2012-06-03 07:51:18 AM  
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DETROIT (AP) - Easier credit, hot new cars and falling gas prices kept Americans buying vehicles at a strong pace in May despite bad economic news.

May sales totaled 1.3 million cars and trucks, up 26 percent from the same month a year earlier. It was the best May for the industry since 2008.

The good results surprised some analysts, since car sales usually hew closely to the performance of the stock market and to consumer confidence numbers. In May, confidence was wobbly and the stock market had its worst month in two years.

"We should have had a disastrous new vehicle sales month, but consumers are still interested in the new products," said Jesse Toprak, vice president of market intelligence for the car buying site TrueCar.com. "This was an anomaly."
 
2012-06-03 08:29:41 AM  
With the price of a new vehicle being over $25,000 for something a family can use, and too many folks wondering if there will be a job for them next week no wonder sales are down. Its time for the "job creators" to stop hording all their cash and invest in something over here in this country besides crap like Bain Capitol.


Oh, in before the Obama blamer/flamers
 
2012-06-03 08:36:32 AM  
Yay, I'm average.
 
2012-06-03 08:37:10 AM  
2005 Camry here, 117,000 miles and going strong (knock on wood)
 
2012-06-03 08:37:33 AM  

wrenchboy: With the price of a new vehicle being over $25,000 for something a family can use, and too many folks wondering if there will be a job for them next week no wonder sales are down. Its time for the "job creators" to stop hording all their cash and invest in something over here in this country besides crap like Bain Capitol.


Oh, in before the Obama blamer/flamers


Here's the rub: sales aren't down, they are up significantly compared to last year. However, this is seen as a bad sign because they're not up "enough". For example, Ford "only" saw an increase of 13%, Nissan "only" saw an increase of 21% - and these are trotted out as examples of why the economy is doing poorly.

There is some sort of disconnect between reality - I'm just not sure if it's me, them, or all of us...
 
2012-06-03 08:39:32 AM  
"Average age of cars and trucks currently on US roads hits a record 10.8 years, which coincidentally is the same age as most West Virginia drivers"

That's only because they're the most likely to be sober and literate in their family.



//the joke was there. I just couldn't help myself.
 
2012-06-03 08:40:47 AM  
On the one hand, vehicles are being made so much better these days that they last forever. 200k miles is nothing unusual these days.

On the downside, once things start to break, holy mother of god!

Been to a repair shop lately? I don't care what's wrong, $500 seems to be the minimum these days. Anything complicated, and you start shopping for a new vehicle.
 
2012-06-03 08:45:11 AM  
Cash for Clunkers inadvertently raised the price of used vehicles, too. I imagine a lot of people held off on buying a newer used vehicle for this reason along with the poor economy and the realization they don't need a new car every 2-6 years.

Thanks Obama.
 
2012-06-03 08:46:48 AM  
I plan on getting 400k out of my truck. Toyotas last forever.

/sounds mexican
 
2012-06-03 08:54:38 AM  
My two registered cars are 11 and 21 y.o. i'm above average!
 
2012-06-03 08:59:46 AM  

jjwars1: Yay, I'm average.


me too - my car is 11 years old. 78,000 miles - yeah - low mileage for such an old car. Wait, is 2001 really an "old car"?

still runs just fine.

Not counting oil changes and new tires the only repairs it has required add up to less than $500. Yeah, that includes a new battery which is the worst thing about my car IMO. You have to jack it up and take the wheel off to change the battery, WTF????

Auto Zone will usually do minor shiat like that for you for free, but they asked what kind of car I had and said fark that - you got to change your own battery dude.
 
2012-06-03 09:11:51 AM  

Happy Hours: jjwars1: Yay, I'm average.

me too - my car is 11 years old. 78,000 miles - yeah - low mileage for such an old car. Wait, is 2001 really an "old car"?

still runs just fine.

Not counting oil changes and new tires the only repairs it has required add up to less than $500. Yeah, that includes a new battery which is the worst thing about my car IMO. You have to jack it up and take the wheel off to change the battery, WTF????

Auto Zone will usually do minor shiat like that for you for free, but they asked what kind of car I had and said fark that - you got to change your own battery dude.


Wait what?

Jeez, do you own a volga or something?
 
2012-06-03 09:12:23 AM  

colinspooky: hmmm, no political expect, but the guy in the vid said sales were pretty good and pretty much in line with expectation, but the journo writing the story just detailed every negative possible about the sales. Shame really. Think we all need to start talking up our economies and stop moaning. Not sure what the complete answer is, but surely we need to be talking ourselves up, on both sides of the Atlantic and ensure it goes global. Make people feel confident again


The confidence fairy left for a higher paying job.
 
2012-06-03 09:15:09 AM  
I used to have a 19 year old car but it died over the winter and now I have a 10 year old car.

So yay I'm average!
 
2012-06-03 09:16:53 AM  

wrenchboy: With the price of a new vehicle being over $25,000 for something a family can use....


You can get a brand new 4 door sedan for under 17k easy.

/my 97 toyota is running fine at 275k. THAT is why cars are older on average nowadays.
 
2012-06-03 09:18:04 AM  

ghare: wrenchboy: With the price of a new vehicle being over $25,000 for something a family can use....

You can get a brand new 4 door sedan for under 17k easy.

/my 97 toyota is running fine at 275k. THAT is why cars are older on average nowadays.


hmmm...4 door sedan. I think I was redundant.
 
2012-06-03 09:21:06 AM  
I have a 2001 4-runner with 142k and a 2007 Seqouia with 92k. I am shooting for five more glorious years out of both of them. Thankfully both of my brother-in-laws own tire and brake stores so my maintenance cost is very low. I just got all my belts changed and all my fluids replaced as well as a few other minor things for $200.
 
2012-06-03 09:23:21 AM  
which coincidentally is the same age as most West Virginia drivers brides
 
2012-06-03 09:23:23 AM  
I just bought a 02 Saturn L300 with 41k miles for 5g so I'm doing my best to help the average go up. The used car market is insane right now. 10k for cars with 90-120k miles? F that. I feel like I'm back in high school again, mileage shopping before age.
 
2012-06-03 09:23:23 AM  
My 1997 Saturn SL2 is still on the road, but only until my new Impreza comes in. I'll miss not having a car payment, but it will be nice to have a new car.
 
2012-06-03 09:29:24 AM  

MaxSupernova: I have a 2001 4-runner with 142k and a 2007 Seqouia with 92k. I am shooting for five more glorious years out of both of them. Thankfully both of my brother-in-laws own tire and brake stores so my maintenance cost is very low. I just got all my belts changed and all my fluids replaced as well as a few other minor things for $200.


Used to have a 98 4runner with 260,000. That was one sweet car, I miss it.

/had it stolen and stripped for parts
 
2012-06-03 09:46:58 AM  
I guess we're way above average: 11, 18, and 30 year-old car,truck, & van. Love not having had a car payment in, well, never.
 
2012-06-03 09:54:51 AM  
my current car is an '11, and my previous was an '01, so i'm getting a kick...
 
2012-06-03 09:57:13 AM  

SoCalSurfer: MaxSupernova: I have a 2001 4-runner with 142k and a 2007 Seqouia with 92k. I am shooting for five more glorious years out of both of them. Thankfully both of my brother-in-laws own tire and brake stores so my maintenance cost is very low. I just got all my belts changed and all my fluids replaced as well as a few other minor things for $200.

Used to have a 98 4runner with 260,000. That was one sweet car, I miss it.

/had it stolen and stripped for parts


That era 4runner may just be the best vehicle on the road. A friend of mine had a 98 one and put over 300k on it and still sold it for around $3k. Our Seqouia is a solid vehicle but I think my 4runner will outlast it.
 
2012-06-03 09:57:58 AM  

State_College_Arsonist: My 1997 Saturn SL2 is still on the road, but only until my new Impreza comes in. I'll miss not having a car payment, but it will be nice to have a new car.


I traded that same car for a new Fit last year. I love the new car, but i miss the Saturn sometimes.

Like in Wawa parking lots where the dentless body panels meant that i had the upper hand and the least to lose.
 
2012-06-03 10:00:00 AM  
Been looking for something more babby friendly lately. On a lark, I asked the sales drone how much the '99 Subaru Forester with 250k miles was. $5000.

I laughed and left, fark the dealers in this area. Apparently even 13 year old cars have gold in them.
 
2012-06-03 10:02:03 AM  
More people are realizing that you can keep your car longer after its paid for. Nothing necessarily wrong with that. Yes the economy comes into play, but only in the manner in which, because of the economy, we're looking for ways to be more frugal.
 
2012-06-03 10:09:59 AM  
86 land cruiser with 219k miles on it. Putting four new tires on it tomorrow, costing me half of what I paid for the truck.

/no note
//never selling it
 
2012-06-03 10:10:35 AM  

bonefish: I just bought a 02 Saturn L300 with 41k miles for 5g so I'm doing my best to help the average go up. The used car market is insane right now. 10k for cars with 90-120k miles? F that. I feel like I'm back in high school again, mileage shopping before age.


Yessir.

I was recently car shopping for my 19 yr old, I was dumbfounded at the price of used cars, which is the worst kind of founded.

I settled on a late 90's Camry with 135k miles, it looks decent and appeared mechanically sound.

And her mother sent me a scathing email accusing me of being a cheap-ass who often lets down our daughter and how come I just didn't go down to the Toyota dealership and get her something...which is funny because I already foot the bill for her education at a large state university, and I'm happy to do so but none of this stuff is cheap.

Any more of that shiat and I'm buying a one-way ticket to France to join the French Foreign Legion.

/do they take 38 year olds with no discernible talents?
 
2012-06-03 10:18:41 AM  
98 Honda Civic with 200k! Still going strong.
 
2012-06-03 10:23:25 AM  
2006 G35x with 104,000 on it. Paid off, and I'm driving that car until it dies.

It's the first new car I ever bought, and I don't see any reason to buy another until this one doesn't run anymore. Prior to that, I had a 1995 Mercury Grand Marquis with 279,000 miles on it before it threw a rod and was too expensive to repair.
 
2012-06-03 10:24:23 AM  

The Gordie Howe Hat Trick: /do they take 38 year olds with no discernible talents?


Yes they do
 
2012-06-03 10:28:43 AM  
Used car prices are retarded because due to the cash back incentives that dealers have been giving out since the bailout its either cheaper or pretty much equal to buying a used car. Cash for clunkers also took with it a huge portion of still functional vehicles that probably could have lasted another 10 years because people wanted new cars. I wanted a beater to get me to and from work and I couldn't find anything decent for under 5000. Honda civics with rusted out with rebuilt engines were going for over 7. Its insanity.

/Canada did a cash for clunkers style thing here too
//A lot of useful vehicles got crushed
///A lot of sports cars got crushed too due to people having no clue about what they have.
 
2012-06-03 10:36:54 AM  
1997 Camry, 154000 miles yesterday. I about kissed my mechanic when he said nothing needed fixing during its (late) 150k checkup. $55.
 
2012-06-03 10:37:24 AM  
I got a 2003 Chevy Avalanche. It still runs awesome. I just went over the 100K mile mark yesterday. =D

/still wants to buy a brand new Kia Soul though.
//Could always use something that gives me about double the mpg.
 
2012-06-03 10:38:30 AM  
My car is seventeen years old, still gets 34mpg, and running very well. There's absolutely no reason for me to buy a new one, especially as I prefer to drive stick.

Of course, I do need to get new tires. But that's just a part of proper maintenance.

/maintain a vehicle well, and it will last you a lot longer than ten years
//my grandmother's car is nearing thirty, and still runs just fine
 
2012-06-03 10:48:43 AM  

Dalek Caan's doomed mistress: /maintain a vehicle well, and it will last you a lot longer than ten years


This. There's no need to blow tons of cash on something that depreciates the moment you drive it off the lot. There's tons of awesome out there that sells for less, and still kicks ass.

Bentley Turbo Rs from the late 80s and early 90s sell for around 14 to 15 grand, down from the hundreds of thousands they used to sell for. Stay on top of the maintenance by doing it yourself (that's the rub), and you get outrageous awesome for little coin.
 
2012-06-03 10:54:05 AM  
My car is a 2003. My wife's is a 1999. Both run fine. We will probably trade them in on a new car for her in the not-too-distant future, because I'm going to stop driving (bad eyes).

colinspooky: Think we all need to start talking up our economies and stop moaning. Not sure what the complete answer is, but surely we need to be talking ourselves up, on both sides of the Atlantic and ensure it goes global. Make people feel confident again


You can only Derp HarderLean Forward so much before the realities of the sidewalk slap you upside the head.
 
2012-06-03 10:55:30 AM  
I've got car dealers sending me letters begging me to let them buy my 8 year old car.

It's been good to me. Starts up, runs great, only have had to change oil, tires, brakes and the battery.

I'll keep driving my paid for car until it falls apart Bluesmobile style.
 
2012-06-03 10:56:48 AM  

jjwars1: Cash for Clunkers inadvertently raised the price of used vehicles, too. I imagine a lot of people held off on buying a newer used vehicle for this reason along with the poor economy and the realization they don't need a new car every 2-6 years.

Thanks Obama.


You think it was inadvertent when the government that enacted the law essentially owned the largest new car manufacturer in the world?

/2001 Lesux
//157,000
 
2012-06-03 10:57:19 AM  

eKonk: wrenchboy: With the price of a new vehicle being over $25,000 for something a family can use, and too many folks wondering if there will be a job for them next week no wonder sales are down. Its time for the "job creators" to stop hording all their cash and invest in something over here in this country besides crap like Bain Capitol.


Oh, in before the Obama blamer/flamers

Here's the rub: sales aren't down, they are up significantly compared to last year. However, this is seen as a bad sign because they're not up "enough". For example, Ford "only" saw an increase of 13%, Nissan "only" saw an increase of 21% - and these are trotted out as examples of why the economy is doing poorly.

There is some sort of disconnect between reality - I'm just not sure if it's me, them, or all of us...


Sales are running below what they were in the late 70's. And there are a lot more people than there were 30 years ago.

/course cars from the late 70's rarely saw 100k miles before becoming a bucket of rust

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2012-06-03 11:02:00 AM  

HempHead: Sales are running below what they were in the late 70's. And there are a lot more people than there were 30 years ago.

/course cars from the late 70's rarely saw 100k miles before becoming a bucket of rust


But cars from the late-70s got better mileage. Something about a new compact car weighing more than an old full-size.
 
2012-06-03 11:04:49 AM  
Mine are 5, 15 and 31.
 
2012-06-03 11:29:52 AM  

hurdboy: HempHead: Sales are running below what they were in the late 70's. And there are a lot more people than there were 30 years ago.

/course cars from the late 70's rarely saw 100k miles before becoming a bucket of rust

But cars from the late-70s got better mileage. Something about a new compact car weighing more than an old full-size.


I think the price of gas may have had something to do with compact cars becoming popular in the 70s. I can see that trend reversed and SUVs becoming rare.
 
2012-06-03 11:32:43 AM  
6 and 20 year old Jeeps, 14 and 15 year old Ford trucks.

All well over 125,000 miles. So I guess my average is something like 14 years.
 
2012-06-03 11:42:21 AM  
would love a new car but between my wife and I's student loans and our family's health insurance premium, We're basically already making the equivalent of car payments on a pair of new Mercedes S-classes every month.

we'll be attempting to drive our current vehicles at the very least until one of the student loans is paid off (and then we can take out another loan and keep the spiraling debt cycle in place)
 
2012-06-03 11:44:52 AM  
Well, looks like GM and Ford need to cut back on build quality again to ensure that all their cars cease functioning after 50,000 miles.
 
2012-06-03 11:45:01 AM  

HempHead: I think the price of gas may have had something to do with compact cars becoming popular in the 70s. I can see that trend reversed and SUVs becoming rare.


My point -- you missed it. Standard-sized cars of the 70s got better mileage than many compacts do today. That Toyota Piorius gets probably 10mpg less than a 1988 Honda CRX got.
 
2012-06-03 11:51:32 AM  

hurdboy: HempHead: I think the price of gas may have had something to do with compact cars becoming popular in the 70s. I can see that trend reversed and SUVs becoming rare.

My point -- you missed it. Standard-sized cars of the 70s got better mileage than many compacts do today. That Toyota Piorius gets probably 10mpg less than a 1988 Honda CRX got.


True, but today's cars have a much better MPG/HP,LBs ratios. Just have to repeal a bunch of those "think of the children" safety regulations.
 
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