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(Reuters)   Louisiana defends privatization of education, and by "privatization of education" they really mean sending your kid to Sunday School 5 days per week where she will learn to count to potato in a windowless church bunker   (reuters.com) divider line 482
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2012-06-03 06:28:39 PM  

masterone41: don't you just like Liberal Fail? What else do you expect?


best phart

winterwile band

4eva
 
2012-06-03 06:30:36 PM  

masterone41: the 5 Trillion Obama spent?


lol he spent over 6 trillion just visiting india in his spaceshhip
turn off communist news network and get educated
 
2012-06-03 06:37:24 PM  

badger-badger: Dammit AMonkeysUncle


www.smidgeindustriesltd.com
 
2012-06-03 06:41:46 PM  
stop talking to that asshole and /ignore it.
 
2012-06-03 07:12:59 PM  
Yeah, that's enough of that one.
 
2012-06-03 07:20:23 PM  
Great.

Now ww simulator alts will be all the trend for a few weeks, huh.
 
2012-06-03 07:22:41 PM  
All one has to do is compare the {graduation rates/ teacher salaries/ administration costs} to realize that public education is an absolute and complete failure. Perhaps another solution is needed as the public unions are unwilling to change the current system.
 
2012-06-03 07:28:13 PM  

Bontesla: Do you have a picture of what a misguided dildo may look like?


Have you tried

http://www.google.com/search?tbm=isch&hl=en&biw=&bih=&q=vibrator+x+ra y

/Wouldn't suggest doing it from work (and remember to take out the spaces that Fark injects into the URL)
 
2012-06-03 07:28:23 PM  

bigsteve3OOO: All one has to do is compare the {graduation rates/ teacher salaries/ administration costs} to realize that public education is an absolute and complete failure. Perhaps another solution is needed as the public unions are unwilling to change the current system.


GOP solution = disassemble what we have and give up. America is hard.

Who cares if an entire generation goes undereducated. Instead of finding a real way to improve things, just eliminate the Department of Education and confuse these simpletons into giving their money away to people who have no interest at all in educating children, but only in profit or indoctrination.

What a plan.
 
2012-06-03 07:34:05 PM  

Lenny_da_Hog: bigsteve3OOO: All one has to do is compare the {graduation rates/ teacher salaries/ administration costs} to realize that public education is an absolute and complete failure. Perhaps another solution is needed as the public unions are unwilling to change the current system.

GOP solution = disassemble what we have and give up. America is hard.

Who cares if an entire generation goes undereducated. Instead of finding a real way to improve things, just eliminate the Department of Education and confuse these simpletons into giving their money away to people who have no interest at all in educating children, but only in profit or indoctrination.

What a plan.


And the Democrat plan is? spend more for the same shaitty results. Both teams suck so vote ......or not you get the same crap.
 
2012-06-03 07:44:18 PM  

bulldg4life: I am not reading a page formatted like that.

beta_plus: Awww, subby and Fark Libs are all butt hurt because those kids are going to learn how to read and they can't.

It's Sunday morning. Seriously. You're trolling an internet message board on, I'm assuming, a sunny Sunday morning.

Whether you get paid to do it or not, don't you ever sit back and wonder what went wrong in your life?


Unlike you, I have a job and have to work tomorrow.
 
2012-06-03 07:47:11 PM  

Mrtraveler01: beta_plus: Mrtraveler01: Weaver95: Mr. Coffee Nerves: How else are we going to maintain profitability at our private prisons if we don't have a steady stream of raw materials?

y'know...after Citzens United you would think that people would be terrified at the idea of letting a corporation with a strong financial motive to put ALL of us into a jail cell is running around essentially unregulated.

They can be like Florida and create for-profit charter schools run by corrupt real estate developers

Link

How much do they make the children have forced semen tasting tests compared to your precious unionized public schools?

Look, I'm sorry about what happened to you in Catholic school but this isn't the place to discuss that.


So you want parents to send their kids to forced semen ingestion schools without the right to send their kid to another school unless they can afford to move to your majority white suburban neighborhood. Got it, you racist anti-catholic anti-semite.
 
2012-06-03 07:50:41 PM  

masterone41: LavenderWolf: masterone41: MSFT: wheelofpain:

DC public schools are spending about $24,600 per pupil this school year - roughly $10,000 more than the average for area private schools.

Just the Facts

This is why school is publicly subsidized. Having a worthwhile workforce is worth - and costs - more than most families with school-aged children can afford.

...that could be used to pay down the 5 Trillion Obama spent?


Dafuq does that have to do with anything?

Anyways, $15,000/yr is more than most families can afford, let alone the additional $10,000 that has you up in arms.
 
2012-06-03 07:51:56 PM  

beta_plus: So you want parents to send their kids to forced semen ingestion schools without the right to send their kid to another school unless they can afford to move to your majority white suburban neighborhood. Got it, you racist anti-catholic anti-semite.


I'm Catholic. I can make those kind of jokes.

And no I don't want to force kids to go to Catholic school like you seem to be implying.
 
2012-06-03 08:03:47 PM  

bigsteve3OOO: All one has to do is compare the {graduation rates/ teacher salaries/ administration costs} to realize that public education is an absolute and complete failure. Perhaps another solution is needed as the public unions are unwilling to change the current system.


Yeah, well, private schools have a lot of built in advantages. It's easier to kick the bad kids out, they can be more selective about who they let in, and the students come mainly from wealthier families. Most private schools can rely on large donations from wealthy alumni for funds. Catholic schools have a work-force filled with women who have dedicated their entire lives to teaching; they have no families, never take maternity leave, and most live in a communal living space. Unfortunately, I don't think we have enough nuns in America to take over the public school system.
 
2012-06-03 08:05:47 PM  
Bible-based math books that don't cover modern concepts such as set theory

Sets are the devil's work! set, hmmm, Set (Egyptian God of Evil), you think we're blind?
 
2012-06-03 08:06:23 PM  

LavenderWolf: masterone41: LavenderWolf: masterone41: MSFT: wheelofpain:

DC public schools are spending about $24,600 per pupil this school year - roughly $10,000 more than the average for area private schools.

Just the Facts

This is why school is publicly subsidized. Having a worthwhile workforce is worth - and costs - more than most families with school-aged children can afford.

...that could be used to pay down the 5 Trillion Obama spent?

Dafuq does that have to do with anything?

Anyways, $15,000/yr is more than most families can afford, let alone the additional $10,000 that has you up in arms.


seems to me with a graduation rate of 58% you would not choose DC as any example of why a public school is a good thing. Link
 
2012-06-03 08:13:12 PM  

HighOnCraic: bigsteve3OOO: All one has to do is compare the {graduation rates/ teacher salaries/ administration costs} to realize that public education is an absolute and complete failure. Perhaps another solution is needed as the public unions are unwilling to change the current system.

Yeah, well, private schools have a lot of built in advantages. It's easier to kick the bad kids teachers out, they can be more selective about who they let inteaching instead of indoctrinating , and the students come mainly from wealthier familiesparents who know the dangers of a public education. Most private schools can rely on large donations from wealthy alumni for funds as opposed to politicizing education to whore for grant money. Catholic schools have a work-force filled with women who have dedicated their entire lives to teaching; they have no families, never take maternity leave, and most live in a communal living space. Unfortunately, I don't think we have enough nuns in America to take over the public school system.have a system that attracts lazy people who want summers off.

FTFY
 
2012-06-03 08:21:58 PM  

bigsteve3OOO: HighOnCraic: bigsteve3OOO: All one has to do is compare the {graduation rates/ teacher salaries/ administration costs} to realize that public education is an absolute and complete failure. Perhaps another solution is needed as the public unions are unwilling to change the current system.

Yeah, well, private schools have a lot of built in advantages. It's easier to kick the bad kids teachers out, they can be more selective about who they let inteaching instead of indoctrinating , and the students come mainly from wealthier familiesparents who know the dangers of a public education. Most private schools can rely on large donations from wealthy alumni for funds as opposed to politicizing education to whore for grant money. Catholic schools have a work-force filled with women who have dedicated their entire lives to teaching; they have no families, never take maternity leave, and most live in a communal living space. Unfortunately, I don't think we have enough nuns in America to take over the public school system.have a system that attracts lazy people who want summers off.
FTFY


Wow, you sure are willing to ignore a lot of factors.
 
2012-06-03 08:27:03 PM  

HighOnCraic: bigsteve3OOO: HighOnCraic: bigsteve3OOO: All one has to do is compare the {graduation rates/ teacher salaries/ administration costs} to realize that public education is an absolute and complete failure. Perhaps another solution is needed as the public unions are unwilling to change the current system.

Yeah, well, private schools have a lot of built in advantages. It's easier to kick the bad kids teachers out, they can be more selective about who they let inteaching instead of indoctrinating , and the students come mainly from wealthier familiesparents who know the dangers of a public education. Most private schools can rely on large donations from wealthy alumni for funds as opposed to politicizing education to whore for grant money. Catholic schools have a work-force filled with women who have dedicated their entire lives to teaching; they have no families, never take maternity leave, and most live in a communal living space. Unfortunately, I don't think we have enough nuns in America to take over the public school system.have a system that attracts lazy people who want summers off.
FTFY

Wow, you sure are willing to ignore a lot of factors.


Also note the abandonment of, "we have to try *something*" and wholehearted acceptance of, "Government bad."
 
2012-06-03 08:33:20 PM  

HighOnCraic: bigsteve3OOO: HighOnCraic: bigsteve3OOO: All one has to do is compare the {graduation rates/ teacher salaries/ administration costs} to realize that public education is an absolute and complete failure. Perhaps another solution is needed as the public unions are unwilling to change the current system.

Yeah, well, private schools have a lot of built in advantages. It's easier to kick the bad kids teachers out, they can be more selective about who they let inteaching instead of indoctrinating , and the students come mainly from wealthier familiesparents who know the dangers of a public education. Most private schools can rely on large donations from wealthy alumni for funds as opposed to politicizing education to whore for grant money. Catholic schools have a work-force filled with women who have dedicated their entire lives to teaching; they have no families, never take maternity leave, and most live in a communal living space. Unfortunately, I don't think we have enough nuns in America to take over the public school system.have a system that attracts lazy people who want summers off.
FTFY

Wow, you sure are willing to ignore a lot of factors.


the exact same could be said of you. the system you defend has horrible results; yet, you defend it.
 
2012-06-03 08:38:08 PM  

Lenny_da_Hog: HighOnCraic: bigsteve3OOO: HighOnCraic: bigsteve3OOO: All one has to do is compare the {graduation rates/ teacher salaries/ administration costs} to realize that public education is an absolute and complete failure. Perhaps another solution is needed as the public unions are unwilling to change the current system.

Yeah, well, private schools have a lot of built in advantages. It's easier to kick the bad kids teachers out, they can be more selective about who they let inteaching instead of indoctrinating , and the students come mainly from wealthier familiesparents who know the dangers of a public education. Most private schools can rely on large donations from wealthy alumni for funds as opposed to politicizing education to whore for grant money. Catholic schools have a work-force filled with women who have dedicated their entire lives to teaching; they have no families, never take maternity leave, and most live in a communal living space. Unfortunately, I don't think we have enough nuns in America to take over the public school system.have a system that attracts lazy people who want summers off.
FTFY

Wow, you sure are willing to ignore a lot of factors.

Also note the abandonment of, "we have to try *something*" and wholehearted acceptance of, "Government bad."


We are talking about education. Specifically public education. It is bad. The government runs it. Why wouldn't the next logical step be the government is bad at education. If we could all agree to that point then perhaps we could fix the problem. It is not like they are new at it. Long ago they were better at it. The past might be a starting point to fixing it. Go back to where kids got a good education, see what new idea was tried, realize that it did not work, and go back to the old system.
 
2012-06-03 08:41:47 PM  

bigsteve3OOO: We are talking about education. Specifically public education. It is bad. The government runs it. Why wouldn't the next logical step be the government is bad at education.


Because it isn't. The US had an enviable education system into the 1970s. Other countries have great government-run programs. Several states have supported great education systems in the past. It is possible to accomplish.

Your entire premise is false.
 
2012-06-03 08:47:43 PM  

bigsteve3OOO: HighOnCraic: bigsteve3OOO: HighOnCraic: bigsteve3OOO: All one has to do is compare the {graduation rates/ teacher salaries/ administration costs} to realize that public education is an absolute and complete failure. Perhaps another solution is needed as the public unions are unwilling to change the current system.

Yeah, well, private schools have a lot of built in advantages. It's easier to kick the bad kids teachers out, they can be more selective about who they let inteaching instead of indoctrinating , and the students come mainly from wealthier familiesparents who know the dangers of a public education. Most private schools can rely on large donations from wealthy alumni for funds as opposed to politicizing education to whore for grant money. Catholic schools have a work-force filled with women who have dedicated their entire lives to teaching; they have no families, never take maternity leave, and most live in a communal living space. Unfortunately, I don't think we have enough nuns in America to take over the public school system.have a system that attracts lazy people who want summers off.
FTFY

Wow, you sure are willing to ignore a lot of factors.

the exact same could be said of you. the system you defend has horrible results; yet, you defend it.


I'm not defending the horrible results of our public school system. I'm just pointing out some of the advantages that private schools have over public school, which helps explain why private schools get better results.
 
2012-06-03 08:48:29 PM  

Lenny_da_Hog: bigsteve3OOO: We are talking about education. Specifically public education. It is bad. The government runs it. Why wouldn't the next logical step be the government is bad at education.

Because it isn't. The US had an enviable education system into the 1970s. Other countries have great government-run programs. Several states have supported great education systems in the past. It is possible to accomplish.

Your entire premise is false.


None of what you say (except my premise) is wrong. as a matter of fact you make my argument for me. Other countries have great programs. We up to the 1970s had one of the best. Today it sux. Why? More money has not helped. I suggest we go back to the date you suggest, 1970, and start there. Cost per student (inflation adjusted) and curriculum. Then at least we will be as good as we were 40 some odd years ago.
 
2012-06-03 08:49:15 PM  

bigsteve3OOO: It's easier to kick the bad kids teachers out, they can be more selective about who they let inteaching instead of indoctrinating


Religious schools are all about indoctrinating.

What have you been smoking?
 
2012-06-03 08:50:40 PM  

Lenny_da_Hog: Also note the abandonment of, "we have to try *something*" and wholehearted acceptance of, "Government bad."


Apparently some people were looking way farther back into the annals of history than I realized when they proclaimed "Fix Old, No New".
 
2012-06-03 08:56:57 PM  

bigsteve3OOO: None of what you say (except my premise) is wrong. as a matter of fact you make my argument for me. Other countries have great programs. We up to the 1970s had one of the best. Today it sux. Why? More money has not helped. I suggest we go back to the date you suggest, 1970, and start there. Cost per student (inflation adjusted) and curriculum. Then at least we will be as good as we were 40 some odd years ago.


Stop.

If it is possible, it is possible. Government *can* run a good system.

(aside: That "American Exceptionalism" sure goes right out the window any time we talk about Americans using their government for anything other than defense, eh? Then Americans suddenly become incapable and inept...)

All you're saying is that you're too lazy to examine a complicated issue and improve on methods. It's easier to let it die and let the vultures eat it.
 
2012-06-03 08:58:58 PM  
Wouldn't that be spelled potatoe in Conserviana?
 
2012-06-03 08:59:15 PM  
Hmm, education vouchers for private schools in the South. . . Where have I heard that idea before?

In 1956, the Virginia General Assembly passed a series of laws known as the Stanley plan to implement massive resistance. One of these laws created a program of "tuition grants" which could be given to students so they could attend a private school of their choice. In practice, this meant support of all-white schools that appeared as a response to forced integration, and these newly formed schools became known as the "segregation academies."

When faced with an order to integrate, Prince Edward County closed its entire school system in September 1959 rather than integrate. The county kept its entire school system closed until 1964. Many white students were able to get educated at the newly-created Prince Edward Academy, which operated as the de facto school system, enrolling K-12 students at a number of facilities throughout the county. Even after the re-opening of the public schools, the Academy remained segregated, losing its tax-exempt status in 1978.

Although on January 19, 1959, the Virginia Supreme Court of Appeals struck down the linchpin of the Massive Resistance laws, the one closing schools about to be integrated,[9] individual state tuition grants to parents allowed them to fund the segregation academies. It was not until 1964 that the U.S. Supreme Court outlawed Virginia's tuition grants to private education where the public schools had been closed, such as in Prince Edward County.[10]

Link
 
2012-06-03 09:00:45 PM  

Mrtraveler01: Religious schools are all about indoctrinating.


Education itself is all about indoctrinating, in a sense.
 
2012-06-03 09:01:44 PM  

masterone41: bigsteve3OOO: LavenderWolf: masterone41: LavenderWolf: masterone41: MSFT: wheelofpain:


you do know that 50% of Black men age 18-25 in DC do not get up, and look for work, or go to work?

yea... that's a graduation rate to be proud of

sunk another liberal.....


Yes that is true. Why? Why are they so despondent? I do not accept that it is race. I do not believe that. There are three things that are needed to allow people to reach their full potential. 1. Education (the DC area does not give a good one) 2. Opportunity (thanks to stupidity like minimum wage and other regulations there is no entry level work) 3. Freedom (none to be had in a cradle to grave system)
 
2012-06-03 09:06:53 PM  

bigsteve3OOO: 2. Opportunity (thanks to stupidity like minimum wage and other regulations there is no entry level work)


Yes, because if we allowed people to pay workers $2-$3 an hour, that will be sufficient enough for people to survive.

/sarcasm
 
2012-06-03 09:08:43 PM  

beta_plus: Mrtraveler01: Weaver95: Mr. Coffee Nerves: How else are we going to maintain profitability at our private prisons if we don't have a steady stream of raw materials?

y'know...after Citzens United you would think that people would be terrified at the idea of letting a corporation with a strong financial motive to put ALL of us into a jail cell is running around essentially unregulated.

They can be like Florida and create for-profit charter schools run by corrupt real estate developers

Link

How much do they make the children have forced semen tasting tests compared to your precious unionized public schools?


What the holy fark is wrong with you? Seriously. You need help, dude.
 
2012-06-03 09:09:23 PM  
As a Louisiana resident, all I have to say is the Bobby Jindal is a cancer and an idiot and if he runs for higher office you should work hard to oppose him and any policy he promotes.
 
2012-06-03 09:14:39 PM  

bigsteve3OOO: masterone41: bigsteve3OOO: LavenderWolf: masterone41: LavenderWolf: masterone41: MSFT: wheelofpain:


you do know that 50% of Black men age 18-25 in DC do not get up, and look for work, or go to work?

yea... that's a graduation rate to be proud of

sunk another liberal.....

Yes that is true. Why? Why are they so despondent? I do not accept that it is race.


You're right. I saw the some of that same mentality on the Dublin's Northside and even in Southside areas like Dolphin's Barn, and I was there during the Celtic Tiger years.

/Roddy Doyle was right.
//Say it loud!
 
2012-06-03 09:16:10 PM  

Lenny_da_Hog: bigsteve3OOO:

Stop.

If it is possible, it is possible. Government *can* run a good system.

(aside: That "American Exceptionalism" sure goes right out the window any time we talk about Americans using their government for anything other than defense, eh? Then Americans suddenly become incapable and inept...)

All you're saying is that you're too lazy to examine a complicated issue and improve on methods. It's easier to let it die and let the vultures eat it.


The government must run schools. They must run good schools that provide all children excellent education at a bulk rate discount price. That and a few other thing are the job of government. Like rural power distribution or roads or police/fire departments. It is a shame that they waste all that money on fighting bogey men in resource rich counties at the behest of Global Corporations.
My point is the stupidity of private school would not exist in any volume if, teachers would teach students to think instead of training drones. If teachers that sux were removed from the process. If administrators were held to account for the failures of the system they proctor. If tax payers were not subjected to 4,5,10x raises in property tax year over when inflation has been 2-3x. Yes I have solutions. Accountability #1. Teachers work a full 50 weeks a year #2. Pre 1970s curriculum taught #3.
 
2012-06-03 09:17:21 PM  

HighOnCraic: bigsteve3OOO: masterone41: bigsteve3OOO: LavenderWolf: masterone41: LavenderWolf: masterone41: MSFT: wheelofpain:


you do know that 50% of Black men age 18-25 in DC do not get up, and look for work, or go to work?

yea... that's a graduation rate to be proud of

sunk another liberal.....

Yes that is true. Why? Why are they so despondent? I do not accept that it is race.

You're right. I saw the some of that same mentality on the Dublin's Northside and even in Southside areas like Dolphin's Barn, and I was there during the Celtic Tiger years.

/Roddy Doyle was right.
//Say it loud!


I also saw the same mentality on this too:

images1.wikia.nocookie.net

www.wallpapershell.com
 
2012-06-03 09:32:25 PM  

taxandspend: [sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net image 320x213]


Democracy means exactly that.
 
2012-06-03 09:45:26 PM  
lh4.ggpht.com
 
2012-06-03 09:48:14 PM  

proteus_b: I just saw this movie about the subject.


ecx.images-amazon.com
 
2012-06-03 09:48:49 PM  

bigsteve3OOO: Lenny_da_Hog: bigsteve3OOO:

Stop.

If it is possible, it is possible. Government *can* run a good system.

(aside: That "American Exceptionalism" sure goes right out the window any time we talk about Americans using their government for anything other than defense, eh? Then Americans suddenly become incapable and inept...)

All you're saying is that you're too lazy to examine a complicated issue and improve on methods. It's easier to let it die and let the vultures eat it.

The government must run schools. They must run good schools that provide all children excellent education at a bulk rate discount price. That and a few other thing are the job of government. Like rural power distribution or roads or police/fire departments. It is a shame that they waste all that money on fighting bogey men in resource rich counties at the behest of Global Corporations.
My point is the stupidity of private school would not exist in any volume if, teachers would teach students to think instead of training drones. If teachers that sux were removed from the process. If administrators were held to account for the failures of the system they proctor. If tax payers were not subjected to 4,5,10x raises in property tax year over when inflation has been 2-3x. Yes I have solutions. Accountability #1. Teachers work a full 50 weeks a year #2. Pre 1970s curriculum taught #3.


1. We already have accountability.
2. Teachers work all year, contrary to the BS line everyone keeps towing.
3. So, we shouldn't teach anything from the last 30-40 years? Yeah, we'll be A-#1 then!

You really have no idea what you're talking about. Why don't you go have another beer and leave the thinking to the adults in the room. KTHXBYE.
 
2012-06-03 09:51:40 PM  

bigsteve3OOO: Lenny_da_Hog: bigsteve3OOO: We are talking about education. Specifically public education. It is bad. The government runs it. Why wouldn't the next logical step be the government is bad at education.

Because it isn't. The US had an enviable education system into the 1970s. Other countries have great government-run programs. Several states have supported great education systems in the past. It is possible to accomplish.

Your entire premise is false.

None of what you say (except my premise) is wrong. as a matter of fact you make my argument for me. Other countries have great programs. We up to the 1970s had one of the best. Today it sux. Why? More money has not helped. I suggest we go back to the date you suggest, 1970, and start there. Cost per student (inflation adjusted) and curriculum. Then at least we will be as good as we were 40 some odd years ago.


So, I assume what you're saying is to reinstitute institutional care facilities for the intellectually disabled and/or finding creative ways to keep kids in need of special education services out of the public school system?

Because the one HUEG change in public schooling in the 70s (which is also the one factor that tends to keep the costs per student high, as well as the money-to-graduation ratio, lower in public versus private and parochial schools) was the passage of PL 94-142 which guaranteed students with special needs the right to a free education in public schools in the US--which was passed in 1975, two years after Section 504 of the 1973 Rehabilitation Act (which was the first law in the US granting civil rights to persons with disabilities, including the right to free and appropriate schooling).

You see, up until those days, public schools more often than not refused to even admit kids with learning disabilities, kids who were considered intellectually disabled (both those who would be considered to have a genuine intellectual disability and would be defined as "mentally retarded" AND those kids who would nowadays be classified as autistic or "on the spectrum"), kids who had severe vision and/or hearing disabilities, kids who had emotional or mental disorders, and so on...pretty much in exactly the same way that PRIVATE schools more often than not refuse to admit those students nowadays, and under the same excuses (either the kid would be seen as "too disruptive to the educational environment" or the "we really don't have the funds to assist your blind/deaf/autistic/retarded/stuck-in-a-wheelchair-and-needing-speech- therapy-due-to-CP snowflake").

Oh, did I mention this wasn't just restricted to kids with cognitive or mental disabilities? They also pretty much routinely cockblocked those with PHYSICAL disabilities too--not just hearing or vision disabilities, but things like needing a wheelchair to get around, or needing speech therapy services.

No, you see, in the good old days you mention, the blind and deaf and Otherwise Perceived As Broken kids were routinely refused admission at regular public schools, and tended to be warehoused in state or county Special Ed Schools (if lucky), in correspondence schooling (if the issue was that Billy Is Seen As A Possibly Educable Gimp), or (if kid was not so lucky, which was much of the time) warehoused in facilities euphemistically referred to as Care Homes For Crippled Children or Institutional Care Facilities For The Mentally Retarded or the state mental hospital. (Yes, you're reading this right. If you were one of Jerry's Kids or had CP (but normal intelligence) or had the misfortune to get polio, you still got sent to the tardfarm school if not sent to the tardfarm in general. And no, it was not quite Katawa Shoujo, to put it nicely..)

If the kid has something like dyslexia or the like? He'd be pretty much encouraged to flunk out or drop out and go into Manual Labour. (I can actually vouch this happened in my own family--with my father, who ended up being shown the door due to difficulties reading which turned out to be (as was discovered decades later when he did get his GED) undiagnosed dyslexia.)

Now, if you seriously are talking about bring back tardfarms and insane asylums and reform schools as places to warehouse all those inconvenient Special Eds who are likely to be flat-out refused or Summarily Dismissed Very Quickly from a voucher program NOT focusing on their particular disability (and it tends to be very, very, very rare indeed that you see things like funded Charter Schools and voucher programs for those Very Expensive Private Schools For Children With Autism; typically, vouchers and charter schools are aimed at the Well In Body And Mind if not the overtly gifted and talented) so that public schools can compete with private schools, be my guest. Just DON'T be surprised at the general pickets in your direction by lots of very pissed off parents AND graduates of schools under SPED programs.
 
2012-06-03 10:04:17 PM  

Great Porn Dragon: bigsteve3OOO: Lenny_da_Hog: bigsteve3OOO: (GENERAL IDIOCY)

Your entire premise is false. (AWESOMENESS)


*slow clap with the deepest respect*

Thank you for saying what needed to be said.
 
2012-06-03 10:06:45 PM  

Don't Troll Me Bro!: Other schools approved for state-funded vouchers use social studies texts warning that liberals threaten global prosperity; Bible-based math books that don't cover modern concepts such as set theory; and biology texts built around refuting evolution.

We really just need to let a state or two do this. In 20 years we can use them as an example to anyone else. "Sure, go right ahead, if you want to look like Louisiana."



It doesn't matter. People who want to believe will just find some other tenuous bullshiat to attribute the failure to.

Supply side economics is as clearly demonstrated and unequivocal a disaster as you can find and yet people still gobble it up with a spoon while blaming its failures on whatever convenient scapegoat they can find standing near by... or worse yet, chalk the failure up on the fact that we just haven't gone far enough.

It's like this "accomplishments" page on GOP.com:

Link

They claim credit for every positive thing in American history by digging around to find whatever tenuous Republican connection they can find.


"The Voting Rights Act

Congressional page, young Republican Willis Hawthorne, delivered the Voting Rights Act documents from congress to the White House to be signed into law."
 
2012-06-03 10:30:16 PM  

technicolor-misfit: Don't Troll Me Bro!: Other schools approved for state-funded vouchers use social studies texts warning that liberals threaten global prosperity; Bible-based math books that don't cover modern concepts such as set theory; and biology texts built around refuting evolution.

We really just need to let a state or two do this. In 20 years we can use them as an example to anyone else. "Sure, go right ahead, if you want to look like Louisiana."


It doesn't matter. People who want to believe will just find some other tenuous bullshiat to attribute the failure to.

Supply side economics is as clearly demonstrated and unequivocal a disaster as you can find and yet people still gobble it up with a spoon while blaming its failures on whatever convenient scapegoat they can find standing near by... or worse yet, chalk the failure up on the fact that we just haven't gone far enough.

It's like this "accomplishments" page on GOP.com:

Link

They claim credit for every positive thing in American history by digging around to find whatever tenuous Republican connection they can find.


"The Voting Rights Act

Congressional page, young Republican Willis Hawthorne, delivered the Voting Rights Act documents from congress to the White House to be signed into law."


They are quite lame in their attempts to revise history. Southern Strategy? What Southern Strategy?

There's a group that lists A. Philip Randolph, Martin Luther King, and Jackie Robinson as prominent black Republicans.

Link

Granted, Jackie Robinson supported Nelson Rockefeller in the '64 primaries, but here's what he had to say about being the GOP convention:

"A new breed of Republicans had taken over the GOP. As I watched this steamroller operation in San Francisco, I had a better understanding of how it must have felt to be a Jew in Hitler's Germany."

Link

And they don't mention the part where Jesse Helms (R-NC) denounced MLK for being a socialist during the debate over the King holiday.

Link

And A. Philip Randolph was a union leader and member of the Socialist Party of America.
 
2012-06-03 10:46:13 PM  
THIS is why we haven't been able to go back to the Moon. :(
 
2012-06-03 10:49:46 PM  

Weaver95: i'd at least like to know WHY conservatives believe private run education is better than public schools. what's the advantage of getting rid of the public school system?


1. Get rid of public education.

2. Start whining that the cost of school vouchers is draining our national budget and threatening our ability to give more tax cuts for the rich. Start demanding budget cuts.

3. Profit (if you're already filthy rich)
 
2012-06-03 10:55:19 PM  

shpritz: Weaver95:
i'd at least like to know WHY conservatives believe private run education is better than public schools. what's the advantage of getting rid of the public school system?

I reckon "Government=BAD" dogma is the official line.


Seeing as how "the government" has thwarted conservatives on everything from legal slavery to Jim Crow, it's no wonder why they hate those meddling kids the federal government so much.

And yes, I am fully expecting the day to arrive when some dickslap on Fox News is going to bring up the subject of bringing back slavery. We already live in these unthinkable times where domestic surveillance and even torture has been made legal. I'm sure that slope has been well lubricated with loads of WD-40 by now and someone's gonna say "Hey! Instead of giving them welfare, why don't we just put chains on all these deadbeat n*ggers and sell them?".
 
2012-06-03 11:24:28 PM  

Mrtraveler01: How the hell have you guys not realized it's winterwhile yet with a 2 hour old alt?


As a public service announcement, a list of winterwhile's suspected alts and the thread numbers where he's derped:

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