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(Reuters)   Louisiana defends privatization of education, and by "privatization of education" they really mean sending your kid to Sunday School 5 days per week where she will learn to count to potato in a windowless church bunker   (reuters.com) divider line 482
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2012-06-03 02:57:40 PM  

Bontesla: Ha. I would simply sleep my way to the top. Living on the fringe of society but sleeping with the most important men will allow me to continue my education and influence major decisions without having to concern myself with proper behavior.


I was referencing "Hysteria" which I saw two nights ago. Then someone called me a dildo, and I thought to myself "now I know the (made-up Hollywood version of) how they were invented!"

/now i really must get to the klan rally, we're voting a new wizard and i gotta cast my vote for cletus
 
2012-06-03 02:58:04 PM  

LargeCanine: Can't see how parental choice and more educational options is a bad thing.


Parental choice to use tax money for "education" that amounts to biblical or other sectarian teaching not based in fact or science isn't a bad thing? Huh.
 
2012-06-03 02:58:46 PM  

The Name: Yup. As I mentioned above, I had to "learn" from those books. Our seventh-grade science textbook had an entire chapter dedicated to debunking evolution and had bible verses interspersed throughout the text, and -I will never forget this- our history textbook said something to this effect about the AIDS epidemic of the 1980s: "The fact that heterosexuals and even newborn children began to contract AIDS shows just how bad our world's sexual immorality had become since the sexual revolution."


Ouch.
 
2012-06-03 03:01:59 PM  

proteus_b: bontesla

thanks for the links. but my very basic understanding of the articles is that they conclude that while SES (socio-economic status---by the way what kind of journal allows you to use an acronym without defining it???) is correlated with achievement, that it's believed that other factors actually cause the SES gap and achievement gap, therefore creating a false illusion that SES is causing the achievement gap. perhaps i am misinterpreting the findings. i believe that both can be factors. as the reference of fartmachine indicated, wealthy families may be spending up to nine times (or more) on educational materials. obviously a kid who takes an SAT prep course will have an advantage over one who doesn't. however, i contend that other factors are at play---my youngest sister taught herself to read at age three---this cannot be attributed to better schooling, but the presence of reading materials and a nurturing environment were most likely beneficial (of course this is an anecdote which proves nothing, but i'm just saying....)

/course now the younger sister is a radical man-hating feminist who majored in womens' studies


I took some womens' study courses. They were . . . interesting . . .

But back to the topic at hand - I do think that's exactly the point. We've made good education a profitable venture. The HSES family has access to resources the LSES and MSES families don't. There isn't a legitimate reason for not providing SAT-tutors to all students and have that price be income contingent (or hell, free, let's make education free goddammit).

If adequate education isn't a basic right in this country - or if our definition of "adequate education" is too generous - then we're going to have achievement gaps.
 
2012-06-03 03:02:11 PM  

proteus_b: /now i really must get to the klan rally, we're voting a new wizard and i gotta cast my vote for cletus


You should probably vote for Cooter instead, I hear he's got more huntin' dogs.
 
2012-06-03 03:03:18 PM  

Salt Lick Steady: Oh, and you didn't point out that it's not the case that all kids who are kicked out of a charter must go back to public school. You made a rather flippant statement that those who are kicked out could find another charter.


Ha, so now you go back and you realize your mistake. Why don't you write another childish comment to cover up your butt hurt.
 
2012-06-03 03:05:25 PM  

Bontesla: If adequate education isn't a basic right in this country - or if our definition of "adequate education" is too generous - then we're going to have achievement gaps.


I'm all for adequate education but what to do?

Salt Lick Steady: You should probably vote for Cooter instead, I hear he's got more huntin' dogs.


Liberal lies!
 
2012-06-03 03:05:27 PM  

DrewCurtisJr: Salt Lick Steady: Oh, and you didn't point out that it's not the case that all kids who are kicked out of a charter must go back to public school. You made a rather flippant statement that those who are kicked out could find another charter.

Ha, so now you go back and you realize your mistake. Why don't you write another childish comment to cover up your butt hurt.


That wasn't a mistake, that was an addition to further emphasize your error, and in what way have my comments been childish? I haven't called you names, I haven't used terms like "butt hurt," and I've been more than civil in my fact-based responses.
 
2012-06-03 03:05:47 PM  

proteus_b: Bontesla: (NSHRC, Participant's Handbook, Diversity Training - Train the Trainer, July 2004)

pardon my ignorance of "the diversity handbook", our klatch spilt koffee on ours before i was able to get a look at it.

merriam-webster lists "a part of a population differing from others in some characteristics and often subjected to differential treatment". are jews a minority? how about snake-handling hillbillies?


*lol* I wasn't criticizing your ignorance of the handbook. I was criticizing your suggestion that perhaps Minority Group is a tautology. The definition isn't as ambiguous as you're trying to paint it.
 
2012-06-03 03:06:22 PM  

Salt Lick Steady: LargeCanine: Can't see how parental choice and more educational options is a bad thing.

Parental choice to use tax money for "education" that amounts to biblical or other sectarian teaching not based in fact or science isn't a bad thing? Huh.


First , you are assuming that religious schools can't or won't each science. The historical record indicates otherwise. Second, if its tax money you are really concerned about, why not lower taxes by the amount spent on education and let parents spend their own money educating their own children?
 
2012-06-03 03:07:12 PM  

proteus_b: Salt Lick Steady: You should probably vote for Cooter instead, I hear he's got more huntin' dogs.

Liberal lies!


Yeah, I did hear that he taught 'em all to lie down on command.
 
2012-06-03 03:09:32 PM  

pdee:
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Me too. After all, the world continues to need truck drivers, ditch diggers and hamburger flippers. If you send your children to a "school" that teaches them a bunch of fairy tales masquerading as an education, don't come whining to me (or the courts) about how unfair life turns out to be.

FWIW, here in Cali you can send your kid to any school you like, even none at all ("home schooling"). But if they don't have a proper grounding in math and science, along with lit and history, the public colleges and universities don't have to admit them. So kids, believe whatever nonsense you like, but you'd better be able to explain evolution in modern terms, and know the difference between meiosis and mitosis, among other basic scientific concepts.
 
2012-06-03 03:12:30 PM  

elffster: proteus_b: clambam: I know I was meaning to put you on Ignore and this kind of post reminds me of why. Bing! Adios, asshole.

I guess it's too late, but just so everyone else knows, Ignore lists are the tool that libs use to keep God out of their brains.

If you are serious, then you are also a misguided dildo.

How can anyone say that and not be a retard?


Do you have a picture of what a misguided dildo may look like?
 
2012-06-03 03:14:01 PM  

LargeCanine: First , you are assuming that religious schools can't or won't each science. The historical record indicates otherwise. Second, if its tax money you are really concerned about, why not lower taxes by the amount spent on education and let parents spend their own money educating their own children?


The article clearly indicates that some of the schools in question won't be teaching science.

And with regard to the tax money, your argument should be drawn out to address my particular point: no tax money should be spent on a sectarian education. "Drawing down" taxes for those who have school-age children makes no sense, because school education is generally subsidized by property and other taxes paid by those who don't have school-age children but would prefer to avoid living in a place where the populace is dumb as rocks.

The elderly, the childless, etc.

Moreover, it does not follow that a family with lower taxes will use that money to provide for their child's education (and transportation and supplies).
 
2012-06-03 03:16:21 PM  

proteus_b: Bontesla: That's the wrong question to ask. Inherent in that question is the assumption that this inadequate performance is related to their blackness. It's something within them and not something within society. The fact is - this phenomena isn't limited to blacks. It's also limited to many other minority groups. And when we look at all of the data - it seems to be less racial and more societal.

Well this may be an interesting point and I admit that I hadn't thought of it that way. I suppose that as members of our society, it is indeed everyone's interest. Which is why we're discussing. Now I really will be late to my Klan meeting if I don't run along now.

/by the way what is "ISES"? you have to explain your acronyms. i'm a minority and therefore have historically suffered wrongs which have caused serious brain damages


ISES = my screw-up.

ISES = LSES

Sorry.
 
2012-06-03 03:22:20 PM  

Sangi: I live in LA. I have two children in primary education. Additionally two friend's wives are primary school teachers and have been for close to 20 years. I've been hearing about this from them for a few months now. There have been some very shady things going on with this legislation. Please note that most of this information is coming from the friends and their wives.

First off there's the standard political money laundering going on with a family member's charity. It has large donations from companies and interestes that are regulated heavily by the LA government. Then several of the state senators who have come out against the vouchers have had their committee status revoked. There has also been some intimidation of teachers from protesting against the changes. This has been shown in filtering of school email access to teachers, harsh punishments for teachers taking off on planned protest dates and new evaluations of teachers being suddenly implemented.

I am really beginning to think that I need to get my and my family's asses out of the south.


See? Louisiana's education system works just fine!
 
2012-06-03 03:25:12 PM  

LargeCanine: Can't see how parental choice and more educational options is a bad thing.

Private schooling would be less political too - if you don't like the curriculum, simply change schools.


Private schooling will be more political. It's called product differentiation, or "choice."
 
2012-06-03 03:26:28 PM  
Your country is farked. A messianic, "nucularized" super-power, stewing in generous amounts of pathological self-righteousness, is gonna negate the possibility of anything approximating world peace there may have been.
 
2012-06-03 03:30:18 PM  

Bontesla: elffster: proteus_b: clambam: I know I was meaning to put you on Ignore and this kind of post reminds me of why. Bing! Adios, asshole.

I guess it's too late, but just so everyone else knows, Ignore lists are the tool that libs use to keep God out of their brains.

If you are serious, then you are also a misguided dildo.

How can anyone say that and not be a retard?

Do you have a picture of what a misguided dildo may look like?




Breitbart.
 
2012-06-03 03:32:00 PM  

LouDobbsAwaaaay: Weaver95: well...done well, I don't have any philosophical objection to a religious based education - it CAN work, if done right.

How would a hypothetical religious based education "done right" look?


I went to an Episcopal school for a while. There was two hours of religion classes with the priest a week (Bible study, church history, comparative religion or philosophy of religion depending on your year), and one sermon in chapel a week. And that was it. The rest of the curriculum could've been found at any good Jewish or Catholic or non-religious school in the country. That's religious education done right.
 
2012-06-03 03:40:35 PM  

doctor wu: Your country is farked. A messianic, "nucularized" super-power, stewing in generous amounts of pathological self-righteousness, is gonna negate the possibility of anything approximating world peace there may have been.


Thanks, Dr. Hyperbole and your team of wishful thinkers!
 
2012-06-03 03:44:47 PM  

Mr. Coffee Nerves: How else are we going to maintain profitability at our private prisons if we don't have a steady stream of raw materials?



flaglerlive.com

feelingloquacious.com

Q: How do you turn a poor person into $100,000 a year?

A: Throw them in prison.
 
2012-06-03 03:55:23 PM  

beta_plus: You mean that retarded idea that we got from Denmark and Sweden.


So since they are infallible guides to success, you support implementing the Swedish health care system and retirement plans as well? Or are you merely emptily spewing talking points because thinking is physically painful for you?
 
2012-06-03 03:56:35 PM  

Fart_Machine: proteus_b: I also question the nature of "over four hundred years". "The country" itself is less than two-hundred and fifty years old. The institution of slavery in the United States lasted from the 17th to the 19th centuries. Frederick Douglass learned how to read, despite the thousands of years of under-educated ancestors.

You just can't facepalm hard enough here. It was illegal to teach slaves to read and write. Douglass was an escaped slave who never would have been permitted to do either while he was in the South.


In fact, he learned to read illegally and was severely beaten for getting caught reading.
 
2012-06-03 04:18:43 PM  

Happy Hours: I'm not sure how a math book can be Bible-based.


Behold: bibliography of Christian mathematics.
 
2012-06-03 04:21:45 PM  
Christian math books don't acknowledge the concept of zero.
 
2012-06-03 04:23:10 PM  
...and don't get them started on Al-Gebra.
 
2012-06-03 04:29:43 PM  
"The school willing to accept the most voucher students -- 314 -- is New Living Word in Ruston, which has a top-ranked basketball team but no library. Students spend most of the day watching TVs in bare-bones classrooms. Each lesson consists of an instructional DVD that intersperses Biblical verses with subjects such chemistry or composition."

Yeah, this is a bright idea.
 
2012-06-03 04:33:03 PM  

Weaver95: beta_plus: Awww, subby and Fark Libs are all butt hurt because those kids are going to learn how to read and they can't.

can you prove that privatization of public schools will provide a better education than the public education system?

ok, how about instead of 'prove' can you at least give us an idea of why you think private run education is better public schools?


I'm not sure that's anything but an assertion to facilitate trolling.

Arizona, for example has PUBLIC charter schools: No cherry-picking of students allowed. Self-selection is another kettle of fish. Even more interestingly, charter schools are not eligible for Title I funding and must accommodate IDEA-disability students.

A podunk town like Tucson has two of the top ten public high schools in the country - one from Tucson Unified School District and one charter. More interestingly, the proportion of minority enrollment in the charter is higher than than for the TUSD school.

Seems to me that the real differences are parents who are involved and interested, challenging curricula taught by teachers who facilitate learning, and where excellence is THE standard. (Duh.)

Private schools do get to cherry-pick, though. Spousal unit was a prepette - private religion-affiliated school in her case - but those same differences applied to her learning success.

Vouchers, though, are just stupid: Unconstitutional backdoor subsidies to religions.
 
2012-06-03 04:39:54 PM  
I tell you what we gonna do.

We gonna make all our kids dummies. THAT'll piss off them lib'rals.
 
2012-06-03 04:40:45 PM  

proteus_b: You must not remember bevets

Nobody

expects the Span... oh, hang on.
 
2012-06-03 04:48:50 PM  

Bontesla: While I have not done ANY research on this . . . I suspect that Republicans are more homogenous and Democrats are more heterogeneous. So, Republicans may not be more religious - they may be simply more in consensus. It's easy to legislate when everyone on your aside agrees.


Not sure what sense of "homogenous" you're using here; probably racial? Whacking the GSS, the relation looks a little more complicated.

The foremost trend is that blacks lean democratic. (Massively, such that any other trend is hard to detect with the sample sizes and fraction of US that's black.) Among whites, those who identify more strongly as religious, tend to identify more strongly with whatever their party is; but the more religious tend disproportionately more republican.
 
2012-06-03 04:54:27 PM  
Starting this fall, thousands of poor and middle-class kids will get vouchers covering the full cost of tuition at more than 120 private schools across Louisiana, including small, Bible-based church schools.


OK, so are we supposed to believe that these private schools are less expensive than public schools? How, exactly, is this saving the state money?

/yay creationsim!
 
2012-06-03 04:55:57 PM  

Don't Troll Me Bro!: Bible-based math? WTF does that even mean?


How many fish did Jesus need to feed a multitude? Show your work?
 
2012-06-03 05:06:20 PM  
Good schools require money, and they get it through property taxes or tuition. There is no free lunch. If you want to go to a good school, you have to make sacrifices. Parents who care will do this, those who don't won't.

Sorry if I am not sympathetic to kids with neglectful parents, but if they don't see or impart the value of education onto their kids, it's wasteful to hand it out for free.
 
2012-06-03 05:12:52 PM  

wheelofpain: Good schools require money, and they get it through property taxes or tuition. There is no free lunch. If you want to go to a good school, you have to make sacrifices. Parents who care will do this, those who don't won't.

Sorry if I am not sympathetic to kids with neglectful parents, but if they don't see or impart the value of education onto their kids, it's wasteful to hand it out for free.


Poor = neglectful, always. They could have borrowed $20,000 from their parents, after all.
 
2012-06-03 05:23:19 PM  

Weaver95: Mrtraveler01:
But of course Conservatives wouldn't like that because it conflicts with their true goal of teaching children Conservative orthodoxy in public schools.

i'd at least like to know WHY conservatives believe private run education is better than public schools. what's the advantage of getting rid of the public school system?


Because socialism.


propasaurus: Christian math books don't acknowledge the concept of zero.


FIlthy Islamist digit.
 
2012-06-03 05:33:33 PM  
beta_plus 2012-06-03 09:50:21 AM

(farky'd as: this is what Republicans actually believe!?)

Mrtraveler01: Weaver95: Mr. Coffee Nerves: How else are we going to maintain profitability at our private prisons if we don't have a steady stream of raw materials?

y'know...after Citzens United you would think that people would be terrified at the idea of letting a corporation with a strong financial motive to put ALL of us into a jail cell is running around essentially unregulated.

They can be like Florida and create for-profit charter schools run by corrupt real estate developers


How much do they make the children have forced semen tasting tests compared to your precious unionized public schools?


So...I am assuming that you approve of this activity as hypothetically practiced by for-profit charter schools, as opposed to the same activity being practiced by [inferred to be inferior] unionized public schools?
 
2012-06-03 05:35:24 PM  
So...

Government, through taxes (ie Everyone), is giving the money so that children can be sent to a school where they might not otherwise be able to go...

Doesn't that sound a little.... Communist?
 
2012-06-03 05:36:51 PM  

BarkingUnicorn: Curious: i was ask the other day why should parents with kids in private schools have to pay for public schools.

Why should childless people have to pay for public schools?


Maybe because they probably went to one as a child?
 
2012-06-03 05:39:31 PM  
At the private schools, we'll also be serving only candy for lunch and breakfast, because that's what people want.
 
2012-06-03 05:40:16 PM  

fusillade762: BarkingUnicorn: Curious: i was ask the other day why should parents with kids in private schools have to pay for public schools.

Why should childless people have to pay for public schools?

Maybe because they probably went to one as a child?


...paid for by their parents.
 
2012-06-03 06:07:13 PM  

wheelofpain: Good schools require money, and they get it through property taxes or tuition. There is no free lunch. If you want to go to a good school, you have to make sacrifices. Parents who care will do this, those who don't won't.

Sorry if I am not sympathetic to kids with neglectful parents, but if they don't see or impart the value of education onto their kids, it's wasteful to hand it out for free.


what is this i don't even
Do you know how much private school costs? You can care as much as you like but coming up with 15K a year after taxes on a salary of 50K is going to be a hard time. Tack on another kid or a spouse who doesn't work and I guess you can sacrifice things like living in shelter and eating food.
 
2012-06-03 06:11:54 PM  

MSFT: wheelofpain: Good schools require money, and they get it through property taxes or tuition. There is no free lunch. If you want to go to a good school, you have to make sacrifices. Parents who care will do this, those who don't won't.

Sorry if I am not sympathetic to kids with neglectful parents, but if they don't see or impart the value of education onto their kids, it's wasteful to hand it out for free.

what is this i don't even
Do you know how much private school costs? You can care as much as you like but coming up with 15K a year after taxes on a salary of 50K is going to be a hard time. Tack on another kid or a spouse who doesn't work and I guess you can sacrifice things like living in shelter and eating food.


They should have thought about that before they decided not to be rich.
 
2012-06-03 06:14:45 PM  

Sabyen91: MSFT: wheelofpain: Good schools require money, and they get it through property taxes or tuition. There is no free lunch. If you want to go to a good school, you have to make sacrifices. Parents who care will do this, those who don't won't.

Sorry if I am not sympathetic to kids with neglectful parents, but if they don't see or impart the value of education onto their kids, it's wasteful to hand it out for free.

what is this i don't even
Do you know how much private school costs? You can care as much as you like but coming up with 15K a year after taxes on a salary of 50K is going to be a hard time. Tack on another kid or a spouse who doesn't work and I guess you can sacrifice things like living in shelter and eating food.

They should have thought about that before they decided not to be rich.


They were too busy deciding to be straight.
 
2012-06-03 06:16:16 PM  

The Name: IlGreven: Don't Troll Me Bro!: We really just need to let a state or two do this. In 20 years we can use them as an example to anyone else. "Sure, go right ahead, if you want to look like Louisiana."

20 years ago, we did just that. Now, we're saying to Louisiana, "Sure, go right ahead, if you want to look like Mississippi."

Or, in other words, we failed.

There's always one or two slow learners in the class. The important thing is that the rest of us doesn't look like Mississippi.


And in 20 years, the rest of us won't look like Mississippi or Louisiana.

We'll look like Texas.

Which is almost as bad.
 
2012-06-03 06:20:28 PM  

masterone41:

DC public schools are spending about $24,600 per pupil this school year - roughly $10,000 more than the average for area private schools.


Best part????


all taxes

forever!!!
 
2012-06-03 06:20:43 PM  

StoneColdAtheist: pdee:

FWIW, here in Cali you can send your kid to any school you like, even none at all ("home schooling"). But if they don't have a proper grounding in math and science, along with lit and history, the public colleges and universities don't have to admit them. So kids, believe whatever nonsense you like, but you'd better be able to explain evolution in modern terms, and know the difference between meiosis and mitosis, among other basic scientific concepts.


What California does is good (for those unaware--the three most common "educational" packages used in dominionist private schools and "homeschool" correspondence-school programs (A Beka, Bob Jones University, and ACE/School of Tomorrow) are considered to be SO educationally insufficient re their science, mathematics, and US and world history content that someone SOLELY educated with those curricula is inadmissible to the California public university system).

I'd personally like to go one step further, though--I'm with those folks who feel there should be a national criteria for "educationally sufficient" material that is published (basically solid education on the level of public or good, non-dominionist parochial or private schools--the Episcopalian, Catholic and Jewish school systems being examples, of course adjusted to the developmental level of a student) and that a student taught entirely from correspondence-school or private-school material that does not meet these standards should be considered legally truant.

(This actually DID used to be the case, as an aside, and STILL does on occasion happen--ACE/School of Tomorrow and Bill Gothard's "homeschool" curricula are probably the most frequent offenders in this case, with students being taught solely with these programs occasionally considered to be subject to educational neglect.)

Conversely, private schools and legitimate homeschoolers could keep a semester-long plan or log detailing lesson plans (or, in the case of homeschooling, what was done to meet this educational goal) so long as it's education suitable to the developmental level of the kid (nobody is expecting a child with an IQ of 40 to master precalculus, but teaching about basic life skills and basic mathematics and science to the level of a normal school ECE program isn't unexpected).

And the reason I note "Basic standards appropriate to educational level equivalent to those in a public school, appropriate to the developmental level of the child"--worded in this manner, this could keep folks engaging in legitimate homeschooling safe (for example, folks who are raising kids with special needs that the public school system can't provide for)--for example, for science requirements for study of evolutionary science, they could note how they read books on evolution, went on trips to science museums, and so on)--the main difference, and this is actually not even a difference in a lot of states, would be that a homeschooling parent keeps an educational log for the semester to show their education is "educationally sufficient to the developmental stage of the child".

So this way, folks who use legitimate private education or home education could teach their kids, and it should hopefully weed out the dominionist correspondence-schoolers and "private Christian school" operators.

(And yes, I know this functionally means that EVERY child would have an IEP or equivalent. I'm not entirely sure this is a bad idea, to be honest.)

Another issue that is VERY likely in play with these Louisiana schools, and which California's new "minimum standards for public university entry" covers, is the fact that most dominionist schools get their accreditation from what amount to accreditation mills--they just give statements on what curricula they use, sign a statement of faith, pay money (and in cases where state accreditation mills operate, sometimes not even money other than a yearly membership fee) and they get "accredited"--and some states exempt private religious schools from accreditation altogether, especially in the Southeast.

(In the case of California, the same note that blocks folks using ONLY dominionist curricula also effectively considers any school accredited by ACSI--one of the larger dominionist "accreditation mills" targeting pre-collegiate education--to be, for all intents and purposes, unaccredited for purposes of admission to the state college system. This is actually becoming more common, as Michigan is another state that pretty much has officially listed ACSI as an accreditation mill...)
 
2012-06-03 06:25:43 PM  

masterone41: MSFT: wheelofpain: Good schools require money, and they get it through property taxes or tuition. There is no free lunch. If you want to go to a good school, you have to make sacrifices. Parents who care will do this, those who don't won't.

Sorry if I am not sympathetic to kids with neglectful parents, but if they don't see or impart the value of education onto their kids, it's wasteful to hand it out for free.

what is this i don't even
Do you know how much private school costs? You can care as much as you like but coming up with 15K a year after taxes on a salary of 50K is going to be a hard time. Tack on another kid or a spouse who doesn't work and I guess you can sacrifice things like living in shelter and eating food.


DC public schools are spending about $24,600 per pupil this school year - roughly $10,000 more than the average for area private schools.

Just the Facts


This is why school is publicly subsidized. Having a worthwhile workforce is worth - and costs - more than most families with school-aged children can afford.
 
2012-06-03 06:26:03 PM  

masterone41: DC public schools are spending about $24,600 per pupil this school year - roughly $10,000 more than the average for area private schools.

Just the Facts


Citation needed. With the special needs eliminated. They inflate the stats big time.
 
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