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2012-06-03 10:17:41 AM

Commander Lysdexic: FTFA: Her first- through eighth-grade students sit in cubicles for much of the day and move at their own pace through Christian workbooks, such as a beginning science text that explains "what God made" on each of the six days of creation. They are not exposed to the theory of evolution.

"We try to stay away from all those things that might confuse our children," Carrier said.

Preparing them for later life?


It's like a photo-negative of Spock's childhood school from the new Star Trek.

Weaver95: well...done well, I don't have any philosophical objection to a religious based education - it CAN work, if done right.


How would a hypothetical religious based education "done right" look?
 
2012-06-03 10:18:05 AM

Mrtraveler01: Why can't right-winger be honest and admit that this is nothing but an attempt to subsidize religious schools (as long as they're Christian of course)?

Hiding behind a term like "voucher" is a cowards way out.


I think this might be a great opportunity to open a Muslim school and demand vouches for it.
 
2012-06-03 10:18:14 AM

Weaver95: what I don't understand tho is the desire to outsource public education. what advantage is there for doing so?


It can be less expensive, provide a better education, and gives parents a choice in how their kids are educated.
 
2012-06-03 10:20:32 AM

Don't Troll Me Bro!: Other schools approved for state-funded vouchers use social studies texts warning that liberals threaten global prosperity; Bible-based math books that don't cover modern concepts such as set theory; and biology texts built around refuting evolution.

We really just need to let a state or two do this. In 20 years we can use them as an example to anyone else. "Sure, go right ahead, if you want to look like Louisiana."

I would love to see a bio text that refutes denies evolution; that's gotta be some grade-A comedy. Bible-based math? WTF does that even mean?


WTF?????


I didn't read the article, but read the Weeners in this thread.

I'm not sure how a math book can be Bible-based.

There's nothing in it which contradicts math. There's not much mathematical in it at all.
 
2012-06-03 10:21:28 AM
FTFA: At Eternity Christian Academy in Westlake, pastor-turned-principal Marie Carrier hopes to secure extra space to enroll 135 voucher students, though she now has room for just a few dozen. Her first- through eighth-grade students sit in cubicles for much of the day and move at their own pace through Christian workbooks, such as a beginning science text that explains "what God made" on each of the six days of creation. They are not exposed to the theory of evolution.

"We try to stay away from all those things that might confuse our children," Carrier said.


FTFA: The school willing to accept the most voucher students -- 314 -- is New Living Word in Ruston, which has a top-ranked basketball team but no library. Students spend most of the day watching TVs in bare-bones classrooms. Each lesson consists of an instructional DVD that intersperses Biblical verses with subjects such chemistry or composition.

This is the outcome that I'm supposed to believe is better than public schools? This?

I'm sure the smarter of the right-wing shills will say that this is just cherry-picking the data, that these are a few bad apples, the rest of the voucher schools are totally awesomesauce and furthermore, BUT THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT THEY DO TO DECLARE THAT PUBLIC SCHOOLS SUCK DONKEY SCROTA. They pick the absolute worst of the inner-city schools run by retards to declare that public education is a broken concept, and then point to the best of the private institutions in the wealthiest districts as the proof-of-concept for private enterprise education.

Fark that noise. This country is where it is today because we actually taught our children in a systematic way as a society. Here's a conundrum for those Golden Age conservative dumbfarks out there: if the best days of this country were back in the past some time when Jesus was Lord of the schools, then WHY DOESN'T THE SUPPOSED 1895 HIGH SCHOOL GRADUATION TEST SAY ANYTHING ABOUT JESUS?

Sorry for the capslock, I'm in a pissy mood today.
 
2012-06-03 10:22:19 AM

Happy Hours: Don't Troll Me Bro!: Other schools approved for state-funded vouchers use social studies texts warning that liberals threaten global prosperity; Bible-based math books that don't cover modern concepts such as set theory; and biology texts built around refuting evolution.

We really just need to let a state or two do this. In 20 years we can use them as an example to anyone else. "Sure, go right ahead, if you want to look like Louisiana."

I would love to see a bio text that refutes denies evolution; that's gotta be some grade-A comedy. Bible-based math? WTF does that even mean?

WTF?????


I didn't read the article, but read the Weeners in this thread.

I'm not sure how a math book can be Bible-based.

There's nothing in it which contradicts math. There's not much mathematical in it at all.


Newton invented calculus and he was a HERETIC!!!!! We must destroy his devil craft!
 
2012-06-03 10:22:23 AM

LouDobbsAwaaaay:

How would a hypothetical religious based education "done right" look?


ask the Jews and the Catholics - they've been running private religious schools for a long time. good quality education too for that matter.
 
2012-06-03 10:22:25 AM

Weaver95: Mrtraveler01:
But of course Conservatives wouldn't like that because it conflicts with their true goal of teaching children Conservative orthodoxy in public schools.

i'd at least like to know WHY conservatives believe private run education is better than public schools. what's the advantage of getting rid of the public school system?



Private schools have historically graduated better educated students than public schools. One reason is better finances, another is parents will spend money on a smart kid's education, but the main reason is the private system can choose their students. Public system can't do that.

/and no, vouchers will not give everyone a private-school education because if everyone is in the schools the schools won't have their edge anymore.

//i said schools too many times, it has no meaning anymore
 
2012-06-03 10:22:33 AM
Vouchers: a great way to get the proles to pay for your kids education at private schools, and keep them out of those same schools.
 
2012-06-03 10:22:59 AM
crap...was newton also a heretic? I'm thinking Galileo..
 
2012-06-03 10:23:20 AM

DrewCurtisJr: It can be less expensive, provide a better education, and gives parents a choice in how their kids are educated.


A choice on how they are educated is not a particularly good thing...
 
2012-06-03 10:23:51 AM

New Farkin User Name: Happy Hours: Don't Troll Me Bro!: Other schools approved for state-funded vouchers use social studies texts warning that liberals threaten global prosperity; Bible-based math books that don't cover modern concepts such as set theory; and biology texts built around refuting evolution.

We really just need to let a state or two do this. In 20 years we can use them as an example to anyone else. "Sure, go right ahead, if you want to look like Louisiana."

I would love to see a bio text that refutes denies evolution; that's gotta be some grade-A comedy. Bible-based math? WTF does that even mean?

WTF?????


I didn't read the article, but read the Weeners in this thread.

I'm not sure how a math book can be Bible-based.

There's nothing in it which contradicts math. There's not much mathematical in it at all.

Newton invented calculus and he was a HERETIC!!!!! We must destroy his devil craft!


Let's not forget that Muslimy "algebra"

THIS IS AMURICA! SPEAK AMURICAN!
 
2012-06-03 10:24:13 AM

Don't Troll Me Bro!: Bible-based math? WTF does that even mean?


1. 12 Apostles had 36 apples. Each Apostle kept one, and gave one to Jesus. Jesus gave 3 apples to the poor. If Jesus had 9 apples left, how many gay people won't get into heaven?

2. The earth is 10,000 years old. How old was Methusaleh when he rode his last dinosaur?

3. Kenya is in Africa. How many miles away was Barack Hussein Obama born from the US??
 
2012-06-03 10:25:07 AM

DrewCurtisJr: Weaver95: what I don't understand tho is the desire to outsource public education. what advantage is there for doing so?

It can be less expensive, provide a better education, and gives parents a choice in how their kids are educated.


but would it be less expensive and provide a better education? most conservatives don't seem to care about verifying that private companies are held accountable to consumers. institutionally speaking, the GOP seems unable to admit that private companies need to be watched just as closely as public unions...
 
2012-06-03 10:25:16 AM

Weaver95: what I don't understand tho is the desire to outsource public education. what advantage is there for doing so?


Kickbacks, graft and, er, sweetheart deals.

LouDobbsAwaaaay: How would a hypothetical religious based education "done right" look?


I understand the Jesuits dish out a pretty hardcore curriculum in their schools.
 
2012-06-03 10:25:37 AM

Weaver95: NetOwl: These religious "schools" are child abuse.

Most stupid Republican ideas are just bad, but this will ruin thousands of kids' lives. Denying a kid education destroys the kid at the most fundamental level. It's sick.

well...done well, I don't have any philosophical objection to a religious based education - it CAN work, if done right.

what I don't understand tho is the desire to outsource public education. what advantage is there for doing so? how can we be sure that a private company can do the job better? how do we even measure 'better'? what choices will poor kids be given under this new system of education, and how will it be paid for?


I'm not objecting to all religious schools (at least not here). We all know the stereotypical Academy Of St. So-and-So, the patron saint of slapping kids with rulers. That can produce educated, responsible, philosophically astute adults. I suspect that being exposed to Catholic theology class can even act as a sort of history lesson as kids move on to the kinds of thought that replaced scholasticism.

Catholic schools force kids to think, even if the thinking is often a rebellion against the Catholic teachings. They also manage to keep the religious stuff separate from the regular subjects, so the kids don't end up woefully ignorant.


What scares me is the way these fundamentalist schools that take pride in propagating ideas that are wrong. I've seen kids who went through this kind of system before, and they were dangerously close to being lost causes. Even if they weren't, they were already behind their peers in basically everything (except for spelling).

Being that far behind when you're in high school means you can't catch up. You're denied opportunities, such as the opportuniy to go to a good college.
 
2012-06-03 10:26:47 AM

tomWright: Private schools have been successfully funded in Europe, (Britain and...Finland I think?, maybe others), but there have been some notable controversies. Mostly from Islamic schools from what I have seen reported, though problems from fundy schools from any religion would not surprise me.

Giving parents choice is a good thing. Pandering to anti-science creationists, Dominionists, and other religious nuts is not.
So long as separating education from religion can be done, OK. But in the US, and fundy-run states especially, I think there will be serious problems doing that.


Actually, the best school systems in the world, including Finland and South Korea, offer absolutely no school choice and have completely public school systems. If we're supposed to learn lessons from what has been accomplished in other countries, school choice is not a lesson we should be learning.
 
2012-06-03 10:27:14 AM

Weaver95: what I don't understand tho is the desire to outsource public education. what advantage is there for doing so? how can we be sure that a private company can do the job better? how do we even measure 'better'? what choices will poor kids be given under this new system of education, and how will it be paid for?


In theory (and I do mean 'theory' - I believe it's practical after I see it working),
Competition - Private Schools will push students to get better grades because a school that boasts better grades can charge more.

How do we measure better? Grades - it's not perfect and it often leads to teaching kids how to pass exams rather than a rounded understanding of the subject. It's flawed for that reason and also because school social activities aren't graded - A school might gets great grades but all its students are lifeless automata due to nothing to do at lunchbreak, no socialising, no fun activities etc.

Kids? Choices? Haha, no. Parents will make the choices for their children using whatever criteria they think is 'best' for their child. Good parents will have their childs wellbeing at heart and bad parents will want their children to be a carbon copy of themselves or else live vicariously through their children - pushing them to be top of the class, star quarterback, head cheerleader etc - because the parents never got to do those things.

Now that's a flaw for private and public schools alike, but I assume that at public school the child is taught a number of subjects - but if her parents send her to the Math Genius Academy and she just wants to learn art and music....then you have one unhappy kid.

Paid for? Well if it's private shouldn't the parents be paying a fee?
 
2012-06-03 10:27:15 AM

hubiestubert: THIS IS AMURICA! SPEAK AMURICAN!


i.qkme.me
 
2012-06-03 10:30:31 AM
It used to be: It's Freshman Year - Jim is being put on the the college-prep track, Bill is being put on the industrial arts track.

Soon it will be: It's First Grade - Br*yed&n is going to Hedge Fund Academy, Bill is being "apprenticed" to a tannery.
 
2012-06-03 10:31:17 AM

Serious Black: Actually, the best school systems in the world, including Finland and South Korea, offer absolutely no school choice and have completely public school systems. If we're supposed to learn lessons from what has been accomplished in other countries, school choice is not a lesson we should be learning.


Actually, Finland and South Korea have virtually no black people, so many of our problems are not actually represented in those systems.
 
2012-06-03 10:32:24 AM

New Farkin User Name: crap...was newton also a heretic? I'm thinking Galileo..


By modern fundamentalist standards, he was. He dedicated much of his research time to alchemy.

It's pretty telling, too, that "Newton was a heretic!" is plausible as an argument a fundie type might use against studying calculus, since attacking the character of a guy who didn't even come up with the modern theory (calculus wasn't really rigorous until Weierstrass) is a popular tactic used when discussing biology.
 
2012-06-03 10:32:31 AM
I assume they will also teach Bible based geology and astronomy. And of course, the next step will be cutting funding from state universities and giving out massive scholarships to those who attend Christian colleges.
 
2012-06-03 10:33:26 AM

Mr. Coffee Nerves: Bill is being "apprenticed" to a tannery.


Tanning and such is too much of a skilled trade, he might want to unionize. Better send him to Wal*Mart Academy, where he can learn how to apply for Medicaid so the company doesn't have to pay for health insurance.
 
2012-06-03 10:34:32 AM

trotsky: Don't Troll Me Bro!: Other schools approved for state-funded vouchers use social studies texts warning that liberals threaten global prosperity; Bible-based math books that don't cover modern concepts such as set theory; and biology texts built around refuting evolution.

We really just need to let a state or two do this. In 20 years we can use them as an example to anyone else. "Sure, go right ahead, if you want to look like Louisiana."

I would love to see a bio text that refutes denies evolution; that's gotta be some grade-A comedy. Bible-based math? WTF does that even mean?

Five cubits plus two cubits equals Republican Jesus.


If Jack has ten daughters, he marries three of them off in exchange for a 400 cubits of land and six goats, and has one stoned in the street for being caught "knowing" her friend Susan a bit too well, how many daughters does he have left to offer as rapey sacrifices to appease an angry mob?
 
2012-06-03 10:34:43 AM

proteus_b: Serious Black: Actually, the best school systems in the world, including Finland and South Korea, offer absolutely no school choice and have completely public school systems. If we're supposed to learn lessons from what has been accomplished in other countries, school choice is not a lesson we should be learning.

Actually, Finland and South Korea have virtually no black people, so many of our problems are not actually represented in those systems.


So, what, we should exterminate the ni-BONGs to fix our education system? That sounds like a plan that even Godwin would appreciate.
 
2012-06-03 10:35:10 AM
Wait....you mean to say there are schools in Louisiana? As in right now?
 
2012-06-03 10:35:28 AM

proteus_b: Serious Black: Actually, the best school systems in the world, including Finland and South Korea, offer absolutely no school choice and have completely public school systems. If we're supposed to learn lessons from what has been accomplished in other countries, school choice is not a lesson we should be learning.

Actually, Finland and South Korea have virtually no black people, so many of our problems are not actually represented in those systems.


Fark you.

Seriously, fark you.
 
2012-06-03 10:35:56 AM

NetOwl: These religious "schools" are child abuse.

Most stupid Republican ideas are just bad, but this will ruin thousands of kids' lives. Denying a kid education destroys the kid at the most fundamental level. It's sick.


So a Muslim kid goes to a sketchy religious school=OHMYGAWDTERRORISMS!!
But a Christian kid goes to a sketchy religious school=YAYJESUS!

Got it.

I understand the fundies and rightards want to add Jesus to the curriculum, but why do they have to do so in the most ignorant way possible? Why can't they imitate Catholic schools? I attended Catholic school, and the nuns taught us languages, history, math and science, and achieved a higher student GPA than the local public schools. And, yes, we had religion class, but that did not dominate or contradict the other subjects we studied.
 
2012-06-03 10:38:46 AM

Serious Black: So, what, we should exterminate the ni-BONGs to fix our education system? That sounds like a plan that even Godwin would appreciate.


That is indeed a modest proposal.
 
2012-06-03 10:39:57 AM

proteus_b: Serious Black: So, what, we should exterminate the ni-BONGs to fix our education system? That sounds like a plan that even Godwin would appreciate.

That is indeed a modest proposal.


Don't forget the Messicans.
 
2012-06-03 10:40:23 AM

proteus_b: so many of our problems are not actually represented in those systems


Like such as which ones?
 
2012-06-03 10:40:55 AM

Mrtraveler01: Why can't right-winger be honest and admit that this is nothing but an attempt to subsidize religious schools (as long as they're Christian of course)?

Hiding behind a term like "voucher" is a cowards way out.


Because people wouldn't support their policies if they were honest about their goals. Example: NC's Amendment One.
 
2012-06-03 10:42:26 AM
That raises a good point. I bet Beta_plus and his ilk would be fine with Muslims being able to open madrassas in New Orleans. You know, religious freedom and all that jazz that they love so much

and be publicly funded
 
2012-06-03 10:42:41 AM

NewportBarGuy: Vouchers... This f*cking retarded idea has been around for 30 years. Still hasn't stopped being f*cking retarded.


Vouchers are used to make sure your kids don't have to go to school with "them."
 
2012-06-03 10:42:54 AM

WhyteRaven74: proteus_b: so many of our problems are not actually represented in those systems

Like such as which ones?


Having a farking black president! God, the state America is in.
 
2012-06-03 10:46:01 AM

DrewCurtisJr: Weaver95: what I don't understand tho is the desire to outsource public education. what advantage is there for doing so?

It can be less expensive, provide a better education, and gives parents a choice in how their kids are educated.


Look at the results from Connecticut. Connecticut had a great Charter school program. It was radical until the companies began co-opting them. The charter school system came into place in Connecticut because they said they could provide an excellent education for way less money...and this year they were crying poor. They discovered they COULD NOT provide a better education for less money.
 
2012-06-03 10:48:42 AM

Weaver95: but would it be less expensive and provide a better education? most conservatives don't seem to care about verifying that private companies are held accountable to consumers. institutionally speaking, the GOP seems unable to admit that private companies need to be watched just as closely as public unions...


Yes. Milwaukee has had a large voucher program for a while. The results are mixed on testing but overall the kids do about the same, and both public school and voucher students test scores have been rising. Voucher students are also more likely to graduate from high school and attend college. So while vouchers aren't some miracle the system is cheaper and it has been far from a disaster.
 
2012-06-03 10:50:00 AM

Weaver95: Mrtraveler01:
But of course Conservatives wouldn't like that because it conflicts with their true goal of teaching children Conservative orthodoxy in public schools.

i'd at least like to know WHY conservatives believe private run education is better than public schools. what's the advantage of getting rid of the public school system?


Education is the bedrock of social control and indoctrination into society. Let's, for just a moment, that our current educational system was designed for the primary task of preparing students for factory life and not for an interest in learning. If we assume that then the possibility that education is still not a primary concern then this move starts to make more sense.

Think about it - if we teach everything is God-based - then climate change isn't an issue because God has a plan and if you just wait a goddam minute he'll be back.

Obviously, there is no need for environmental concerns because something-something God.

And what does the scientific theory of evolution yield anyway? Aside from information about our origin and how this whole evlution works. Again, this is unimportant because JESUS SAVES so let's not teach anything that may undermine our point.

The goal is, as it's always been, to control behavior and indoctrination. Who gains from the new model? Republicans and their financial lords.

/haven't had my coffee yet this morning
//hope I made sense
 
2012-06-03 10:50:01 AM

NetOwl: proteus_b: Serious Black: Actually, the best school systems in the world, including Finland and South Korea, offer absolutely no school choice and have completely public school systems. If we're supposed to learn lessons from what has been accomplished in other countries, school choice is not a lesson we should be learning.

Actually, Finland and South Korea have virtually no black people, so many of our problems are not actually represented in those systems.

Fark you.

Seriously, fark you.


On the face of it, it sounds pretty racist. However, the African-American population in the United States has been treated to over four hundred years of systematic under-education due to the underlying racism of much of the country. Until that great error is corrected, that will indeed be a problem that no homogenous society like South Korea and Finland has to deal with.
 
2012-06-03 10:50:13 AM

WhyteRaven74: Like such as which ones?


Well, the poor performance on international standardized tests (in comparison to high performing nations such as Suomi and the like such as DSK)

I'm not sure why this factual statement of mine is interpreted as wanting to "exterminate" blacks. I simply made the irrefutable comment that they do not, on average perform well in school relative to whites, even after controlling for factors such as income and environment. While I may have stated this in a troll-tastic manner, I find it likely that any black farkers who have been successful in life are aware of the under-performance of blacks as a whole and consciously changed their behavior in a positive manner. Whether or not they express this view in polite company is another manner. Perhaps they're some sort of silent majority [minority].
 
2012-06-03 10:50:42 AM

theteacher: ...They discovered they COULD NOT provide a better education for less money.


Your facts are no match for a Republican's religious belief in capitalism.

/not to mention the fabulous number of charter schools that are under investigation/prosecution for malfeasance.
 
2012-06-03 10:52:35 AM

Serious Black: tomWright: Private schools have been successfully funded in Europe, (Britain and...Finland I think?, maybe others), but there have been some notable controversies. Mostly from Islamic schools from what I have seen reported, though problems from fundy schools from any religion would not surprise me.

Giving parents choice is a good thing. Pandering to anti-science creationists, Dominionists, and other religious nuts is not.
So long as separating education from religion can be done, OK. But in the US, and fundy-run states especially, I think there will be serious problems doing that.

Actually, the best school systems in the world, including Finland and South Korea, offer absolutely no school choice and have completely public school systems. If we're supposed to learn lessons from what has been accomplished in other countries, school choice is not a lesson we should be learning.



I am not certain about Finland, you may be right about no choice. Someone above mentioned Netherlands as being one with private schools.

I am no expert on the school systems of other countries, I only know what I see in the news and documentaries I watch. But I suspect their methods would not be welcome here. I also suspect they do not have the social problems the U.S. needs to overcome, due to it's history.

What I do think, is that we should look around the world and see what works, and what does not, in situations similar to what we face.

I do know that what we are doing now, arguing for decades and letting class after class graduate and be cheated out of the education they deserve, is not working. We need to stop fiddling while the schools burn.

A form of choice so that parents can flee bad schools to find better ones is needed. Finding a way to do that without turning over young minds to religious fanatics, or political fanatics either, is the hard part.
 
2012-06-03 10:52:56 AM

NetOwl: proteus_b: Serious Black: Actually, the best school systems in the world, including Finland and South Korea, offer absolutely no school choice and have completely public school systems. If we're supposed to learn lessons from what has been accomplished in other countries, school choice is not a lesson we should be learning.

Actually, Finland and South Korea have virtually no black people, so many of our problems are not actually represented in those systems.

Fark you.

Seriously, fark you.


It might have been fair to say "Finland and South Korea are homogeneous societies with few economically or socially-challenged minorities to bring down scholastic averages." But of course that's not what he said, so your response is perfectly appropriate.

The amazing thing is, if you take the socially and economically disadvantaged, both urban and rural, out of the equation in this country, our educational system is second to none. There is a reason why Microsoft, IBM, Apple, Facebook, Adobe and scores of other innovative business concerns were founded in this country and not, say, France. There's a reason why students come from all over the world to attend American colleges and universities and not the other way around. Our educational system kicks ass and takes names. The repub program of undercutting an institution that has made America the greatest nation in the history of the universe, militarily, economically, socially and politically, beggars the imagination in terms of foolishness and the triumph of ideology over common sense. These people are retarded, and they want everyone else to be retarded too.
 
2012-06-03 10:53:36 AM
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Praise jeebus!
Cin ah git an Ay-Men?
 
2012-06-03 10:55:55 AM

vudukungfu: Cin ah


Wasn't that the gay guy from Hunger Games?
 
2012-06-03 10:56:38 AM

theorellior: On the face of it, it sounds pretty racist. However, the African-American population in the United States has been treated to over four hundred years of systematic under-education due to the underlying racism of much of the country. Until that great error is corrected, that will indeed be a problem that no homogenous society like South Korea and Finland has to deal with.


Actually some blacks in segregated schools used to learn the entire classical curriculum. I also question the nature of "over four hundred years". "The country" itself is less than two-hundred and fifty years old. The institution of slavery in the United States lasted from the 17th to the 19th centuries. Frederick Douglass learned how to read, despite the thousands of years of under-educated ancestors.
 
2012-06-03 10:56:43 AM
Has anyone thought about how this will turn out in 30 or 40 years? How long do the vouchers last? Does everyone get one forever, or just until the public schools are totally shuttered? Then what? Are there just going to be a ton of kids who can't go to school? Why is the government subsidizing religious schools? I know the article says "schools of their choosing," but I'd bet you my next paycheck there isn't an Islamic school available. Or a Jewish one. Maybe there's like, one. I don't know. This does not seem like a good idea.

Also, Bible-based math? Science DVDs and the Bible?! What? No!
 
2012-06-03 10:59:25 AM

Weaver95: shpritz: Weaver95:
i'd at least like to know WHY conservatives believe private run education is better than public schools. what's the advantage of getting rid of the public school system?

I reckon "Government=BAD" dogma is the official line.

ok, but I wanted an actual reason, not the boiler plate propaganda non-answer.


1. Competition will motivate public schools to do better.

2. Parents have the right to have a choice of what & how kids are taught.

3. Diverse curricula will yield innovative improvements in education.

I don't necessarily buy all of that, but those are some of the reasons given.

In practice, we'll mainly see parents prioritizing religion vs. employability for their kids.
 
2012-06-03 11:01:37 AM

theteacher: Look at the results from Connecticut. Connecticut had a great Charter school program. It was radical until the companies began co-opting them. The charter school system came into place in Connecticut because they said they could provide an excellent education for way less money...and this year they were crying poor. They discovered they COULD NOT provide a better education for less money.


The voucher program and charter schools are not the same thing.
 
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