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2012-06-03 08:50:56 AM  
Other schools approved for state-funded vouchers use social studies texts warning that liberals threaten global prosperity; Bible-based math books that don't cover modern concepts such as set theory; and biology texts built around refuting evolution.

We really just need to let a state or two do this. In 20 years we can use them as an example to anyone else. "Sure, go right ahead, if you want to look like Louisiana."

I would love to see a bio text that refutes denies evolution; that's gotta be some grade-A comedy. Bible-based math? WTF does that even mean?
 
2012-06-03 08:53:12 AM  
How else are we going to maintain profitability at our private prisons if we don't have a steady stream of raw materials?
 
2012-06-03 09:25:42 AM  
The Republican War on Education continues.

Children should be confused when they learn. It means they're thinking. You should be aiming for that "ah-ha!" moment when they are no longer confused, not trying to hide them from it.
 
2012-06-03 09:33:03 AM  

Don't Troll Me Bro!: Other schools approved for state-funded vouchers use social studies texts warning that liberals threaten global prosperity; Bible-based math books that don't cover modern concepts such as set theory; and biology texts built around refuting evolution.

We really just need to let a state or two do this. In 20 years we can use them as an example to anyone else. "Sure, go right ahead, if you want to look like Louisiana."

I would love to see a bio text that refutes denies evolution; that's gotta be some grade-A comedy. Bible-based math? WTF does that even mean?


Five cubits plus two cubits equals Republican Jesus.
 
2012-06-03 09:33:47 AM  

Don't Troll Me Bro!: We really just need to let a state or two do this. In 20 years we can use them as an example to anyone else. "Sure, go right ahead, if you want to look like Louisiana."


It's already a low standard. The only reason it's not the butt of national jokes is because Mississippi is next door.

Can't imagine how much worse schools can get in Louisiana than they already are now. (Unless you live in the suburbs of New Orleans).
 
2012-06-03 09:35:28 AM  
Vouchers... This f*cking retarded idea has been around for 30 years. Still hasn't stopped being f*cking retarded.
 
2012-06-03 09:37:13 AM  
Why can't right-winger be honest and admit that this is nothing but an attempt to subsidize religious schools (as long as they're Christian of course)?

Hiding behind a term like "voucher" is a cowards way out.
 
2012-06-03 09:42:52 AM  

Don't Troll Me Bro!: Other schools approved for state-funded vouchers use social studies texts warning that liberals threaten global prosperity; Bible-based math books that don't cover modern concepts such as set theory; and biology texts built around refuting evolution.

We really just need to let a state or two do this. In 20 years we can use them as an example to anyone else. "Sure, go right ahead, if you want to look like Louisiana."

I would love to see a bio text that refutes denies evolution; that's gotta be some grade-A comedy. Bible-based math? WTF does that even mean?


Pi = 3.
 
2012-06-03 09:43:44 AM  

Mr. Coffee Nerves: How else are we going to maintain profitability at our private prisons if we don't have a steady stream of raw materials?


y'know...after Citzens United you would think that people would be terrified at the idea of letting a corporation with a strong financial motive to put ALL of us into a jail cell is running around essentially unregulated.
 
2012-06-03 09:44:06 AM  

Don't Troll Me Bro!: Other schools approved for state-funded vouchers use social studies texts warning that liberals threaten global prosperity; Bible-based math books that don't cover modern concepts such as set theory; and biology texts built around refuting evolution.

We really just need to let a state or two do this. In 20 years we can use them as an example to anyone else. "Sure, go right ahead, if you want to look like Louisiana."

I would love to see a bio text that refutes denies evolution; that's gotta be some grade-A comedy. Bible-based math? WTF does that even mean?


Pi = 3
 
2012-06-03 09:45:16 AM  
Dammit AMonkeysUncle
 
2012-06-03 09:46:59 AM  
Awww, subby and Fark Libs are all butt hurt because those kids are going to learn how to read and they can't.
 
2012-06-03 09:47:21 AM  
The school willing to accept the most voucher students -- 314 -- is New Living Word in Ruston, which has a top-ranked basketball team but no library. Students spend most of the day watching TVs in bare-bones classrooms. Each lesson consists of an instructional DVD that intersperses Biblical verses with subjects such chemistry or composition.

Chemistry done in biblical verses??? WTF??? They must have f*cked up the symbols of the Periodic Table.

"Tommy? What is the Periodic Table symbol for oxygen?"
"John 3:16, teacher."
"Very good, Tommy."
 
2012-06-03 09:48:08 AM  

NewportBarGuy: Vouchers... This f*cking retarded idea has been around for 30 years. Still hasn't stopped being f*cking retarded.


You mean that retarded idea that we got from Denmark and Sweden.
 
2012-06-03 09:48:50 AM  

Weaver95: Mr. Coffee Nerves: How else are we going to maintain profitability at our private prisons if we don't have a steady stream of raw materials?

y'know...after Citzens United you would think that people would be terrified at the idea of letting a corporation with a strong financial motive to put ALL of us into a jail cell is running around essentially unregulated.


They can be like Florida and create for-profit charter schools run by corrupt real estate developers

Link
 
2012-06-03 09:49:53 AM  
I am not reading a page formatted like that.

beta_plus: Awww, subby and Fark Libs are all butt hurt because those kids are going to learn how to read and they can't.


It's Sunday morning. Seriously. You're trolling an internet message board on, I'm assuming, a sunny Sunday morning.

Whether you get paid to do it or not, don't you ever sit back and wonder what went wrong in your life?
 
2012-06-03 09:50:21 AM  

Mrtraveler01: Weaver95: Mr. Coffee Nerves: How else are we going to maintain profitability at our private prisons if we don't have a steady stream of raw materials?

y'know...after Citzens United you would think that people would be terrified at the idea of letting a corporation with a strong financial motive to put ALL of us into a jail cell is running around essentially unregulated.

They can be like Florida and create for-profit charter schools run by corrupt real estate developers

Link


How much do they make the children have forced semen tasting tests compared to your precious unionized public schools?
 
2012-06-03 09:52:17 AM  

beta_plus: Awww, subby and Fark Libs are all butt hurt because those kids are going to learn how to read and they can't.


can you prove that privatization of public schools will provide a better education than the public education system?

ok, how about instead of 'prove' can you at least give us an idea of why you think private run education is better public schools?
 
2012-06-03 09:52:24 AM  

beta_plus: Mrtraveler01: Weaver95: Mr. Coffee Nerves: How else are we going to maintain profitability at our private prisons if we don't have a steady stream of raw materials?

y'know...after Citzens United you would think that people would be terrified at the idea of letting a corporation with a strong financial motive to put ALL of us into a jail cell is running around essentially unregulated.

They can be like Florida and create for-profit charter schools run by corrupt real estate developers

Link

How much do they make the children have forced semen tasting tests compared to your precious unionized public schools?


Look, I'm sorry about what happened to you in Catholic school but this isn't the place to discuss that.
 
2012-06-03 09:53:50 AM  
I like this idea:

In the Netherlands, the government funds "bijzondere" ("special") schools, which are run by independent non-profit boards, on the condition that they charge no more tuition than public schools do and otherwise abide by practically the same rules as public schools. Parents are free to choose any public or special school for their children, although in some urban areas, such as Amsterdam, admissions procedures do exist. Many, but not all, special schools are religious in nature. The system arose after a prolonged political battle between religious and secular political parties, and is considered a political third rail even today. The emergence of Islamic schools is putting the issue back into the spotlight, though. Any voucher proposals in the Netherlands, and countries with similar systems such as Belgium, are complicated by the historical background of the "school struggle". For a more detailed discussion, see Hooker in 'Bibliography'.

But of course Conservatives wouldn't like that because it conflicts with their true goal of teaching children Conservative orthodoxy in public schools.
 
2012-06-03 09:55:32 AM  

Mrtraveler01:
But of course Conservatives wouldn't like that because it conflicts with their true goal of teaching children Conservative orthodoxy in public schools.


i'd at least like to know WHY conservatives believe private run education is better than public schools. what's the advantage of getting rid of the public school system?
 
2012-06-03 09:56:33 AM  
I see that this is supposed to be for 'state approved' schools.

How is that school that has students watching videos all day, with no library 'state approved'?
Is it accredited at all? If so by what agency?
Or is this all FUD spread by teachers unions?
Considering it is Loiusiana, it very well may be state approved.
Considering the politics involved there is also likely to be FUD spread from all sides in this.

I have a problem with funding religious schools, and the Constitution may also, depending on how it is done. So long as they also teach science as a separate class from religious studies, i have less of a problem with it, similar to how college tuition loans can be used at many religious colleges. But then, how do you separate the two and make sure of it?

Private schools have been successfully funded in Europe, (Britain and...Finland I think?, maybe others), but there have been some notable controversies. Mostly from Islamic schools from what I have seen reported, though problems from fundy schools from any religion would not surprise me.

Giving parents choice is a good thing. Pandering to anti-science creationists, Dominionists, and other religious nuts is not.
So long as separating education from religion can be done, OK. But in the US, and fundy-run states especially, I think there will be serious problems doing that.
 
2012-06-03 09:58:19 AM  
Instead of the teachers suing, parents should sue about the degradation of the quality of education in public schools due to funding being siphoned off to religious schools. Compulsory public primary education in this country is considerably older than the repub Party. Compulsory public education provided the initial training for the soldiers that won every war from the Mexican War on. Before we abandon compulsory public education I'd like to see some data on how wide-spread religious education effects our children. Are we raising up a generation of conscientious objectors? Or Lt. Calleys? Of job creators? Or welfare queens? Most likely we are raising a generation of self-satisfied mediocrities but Protestant religious indoctrination (as opposed to Catholic schools which have been around a lot longer and in greater quantities) may result in a generation of Ruby Ridge style tax evaders and social malcontents.
 
2012-06-03 09:59:19 AM  

tomWright: Private schools have been successfully funded in Europe, (Britain and...Finland I think?, maybe others), but there have been some notable controversies. Mostly from Islamic schools from what I have seen reported, though problems from fundy schools from any religion would not surprise me.


I'm looking into this but the Netherlands has a voucher system as well but the schools that take part in it have to abide by a set of standards set by the Netherlands Government.

I'm trying to see if Sweden is similar but I did see this on wiki:

A 2004 study concluded that school results in public schools improved due to the increased competition.[62] However, Per Thulberg, director general of the Swedish National Agency for Education, has said that the system "has not led to better results" and in the 2000s Sweden's ranking in the PISA league tables worsened.[63]
 
2012-06-03 09:59:25 AM  

Weaver95:
i'd at least like to know WHY conservatives believe private run education is better than public schools. what's the advantage of getting rid of the public school system?


I reckon "Government=BAD" dogma is the official line.
 
2012-06-03 10:00:00 AM  
In an unrelated move, the Taliban™ will be opening a chain of girls schools in Louisiana in a gesture of accomodation to the republican profit incentive.
 
2012-06-03 10:00:30 AM  

clambam: Most likely we are raising a generation of self-satisfied mediocrities but Protestant religious indoctrination (as opposed to Catholic schools which have been around a lot longer and in greater quantities) may result in a generation of Ruby Ridge style tax evaders and social malcontents.


The true goal of Conservatives it seems.
 
2012-06-03 10:00:38 AM  
"Calculate x. Show your work."

"x = 3. God did it."
 
2012-06-03 10:00:54 AM  

shpritz: Weaver95:
i'd at least like to know WHY conservatives believe private run education is better than public schools. what's the advantage of getting rid of the public school system?

I reckon "Government=BAD" dogma is the official line.


ok, but I wanted an actual reason, not the boiler plate propaganda non-answer.
 
2012-06-03 10:01:08 AM  
If you can stop them thinking whilst they are children, then once they are adults they will never question their rulers.
 
2012-06-03 10:01:15 AM  
At Eternity Christian Academy in Westlake, pastor-turned-principal Marie Carrier hopes to secure extra space to enroll 135 voucher students, though she now has room for just a few dozen. Her first- through eighth-grade students sit in cubicles for much of the day and move at their own pace through Christian workbooks, such as a beginning science text that explains "what God made" on each of the six days of creation. They are not exposed to the theory of evolution.

"We try to stay away from all those things that might confuse our children," Carrier said.


Oh Jesus.
 
2012-06-03 10:01:53 AM  

Commander Lysdexic: If you can stop them thinking whilst they are children, then once they are adults they will never question their rulers.


Ignorance is strength.

/Hated that movie though
 
2012-06-03 10:01:55 AM  

tomWright: I see that this is supposed to be for 'state approved' schools.

How is that school that has students watching videos all day, with no library 'state approved'?
Is it accredited at all? If so by what agency?
Or is this all FUD spread by teachers unions?
Considering it is Loiusiana, it very well may be state approved.
Considering the politics involved there is also likely to be FUD spread from all sides in this.

I have a problem with funding religious schools, and the Constitution may also, depending on how it is done. So long as they also teach science as a separate class from religious studies, i have less of a problem with it, similar to how college tuition loans can be used at many religious colleges. But then, how do you separate the two and make sure of it?

Private schools have been successfully funded in Europe, (Britain and...Finland I think?, maybe others), but there have been some notable controversies. Mostly from Islamic schools from what I have seen reported, though problems from fundy schools from any religion would not surprise me.

Giving parents choice is a good thing. Pandering to anti-science creationists, Dominionists, and other religious nuts is not.
So long as separating education from religion can be done, OK. But in the US, and fundy-run states especially, I think there will be serious problems doing that.


That raises a good point. I bet Beta_plus and his ilk would be fine with Muslims being able to open madrassas in New Orleans. You know, religious freedom and all that jazz that they love so much
 
2012-06-03 10:02:05 AM  
The South will never rise again.
 
2012-06-03 10:02:14 AM  
Privatization is fine so long as any institution receiving funds or counting as a school for the purposes of truancy law fulfills:

1. All of the requirements of the state curriculum.
2. Regulations regarding building codes (occupancy, utilities, etc).
3. In the case of receiving money, adherence to the restrictions on expenditure of federal and state money (relevant: separation of church and state, so no vouchers for priests)
4. Legal certification requirements for instructors.

Obviously we're talking Louisiana, the "all our government programs are actually money laundering schemes" state, so they're not going to enforce a single one of those provisions. But a theoretical state with competent administrators (literally anywhere but LA) could actually conceivably pull it off without many problems.

On a related note, congrats to every parish- and state-level official on their new tax-funded payday. Enjoy the free money with no strings attached, I look forward to all the priests in the state showing off their Italian convertibles next year.
 
2012-06-03 10:03:23 AM  

0Icky0: The South will never rise again.


Every cloud has a silver lining.
 
2012-06-03 10:03:48 AM  
Step 2: Raise a generations of morons who rail against the federal government

Step 3: collect money from the same federal government in ammounts exponentially higher than what you pay in federal taxes.


Theyre already well on their way...
 
2012-06-03 10:04:57 AM  

BitwiseShift: In an unrelated move, the Taliban™ will be opening a chain of girls schools in Louisiana in a gesture of accomodation to the republican profit incentive.


And the daily lunch menu will be...

Poison.
 
2012-06-03 10:05:54 AM  

Jim_Callahan: But a theoretical state with competent administrators


This state doesn't exist.

Or at least it isn't the state I'm in.
 
2012-06-03 10:05:58 AM  

Weaver95: beta_plus: Awww, subby and Fark Libs are all butt hurt because those kids are going to learn how to read and they can't.

can you prove that privatization of public schools will provide a better education than the public education system?

ok, how about instead of 'prove' can you at least give us an idea of why you think private run education is better public schools?


That's not in todays RNC talking points. So no... He can't
 
2012-06-03 10:06:14 AM  

Weaver95: Mrtraveler01:
But of course Conservatives wouldn't like that because it conflicts with their true goal of teaching children Conservative orthodoxy in public schools.

i'd at least like to know WHY conservatives believe private run education is better than public schools. what's the advantage of getting rid of the public school system?


Do you want the Official Conservative Movement Answer, or the real-world one? The former: "Liberalism and unions have destroyed our public education system, and it's now only used for drug dealing, DemonRat indoctrination about evolution, socialism, Global Warming, and teaching children how to have gay sex."

Real-world answer: because the conservative jihad believes that all areas of society -- the press, the judicial branch of govenment, the Girl Scouts, etc. -- should and must bend to its will. They have not been able to do this successfully with public education yet, and what they cannot take over, they would prefer to destroy and replace -- in this case, with a system that will, they hope, breed good little Christianist corporatists who will be reliable votes for God's Own Party.

I wish that the preceding paragraph were satirical hyperbole, but I'm afraid it is the literal, sober truth.
 
2012-06-03 10:07:18 AM  

0Icky0: The South will never rise again.


I am less optimistic. If they do rise again, it will be on the backs of stupid, indoctrinated god warriors that will be convinced that everything they do is a-okay since they are on God's side. Essentially, a christian jihadist.

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2012-06-03 10:07:21 AM  
FTA:The school willing to accept the most voucher students -- 314 -- is New Living Word in Ruston, which has a top-ranked basketball team but no library. Students spend most of the day watching TVs in bare-bones classrooms. Each lesson consists of an instructional DVD that intersperses Biblical verses with subjects such chemistry or composition.

Cripes, they've figured out a way to get state education funding while getting rid of teachers altogether.
 
2012-06-03 10:07:28 AM  

Waxing_Chewbacca: Weaver95: beta_plus: Awww, subby and Fark Libs are all butt hurt because those kids are going to learn how to read and they can't.

can you prove that privatization of public schools will provide a better education than the public education system?

ok, how about instead of 'prove' can you at least give us an idea of why you think private run education is better public schools?

That's not in todays RNC talking points. So no... He can't


I heard the GOP is moving their talking points from fax to PDF form now.
 
2012-06-03 10:08:01 AM  
The way Biblefreaks mimic academic integrity has always reminded me of psychopaths practicing emotive facial expressions in a mirror. They know that in order to achieve their agenda they have to successfully imitate an entire dimension of human experience that they can never possibly understand. And no matter how convincing they can make it appear to a casual glance, one need only to scratch the surface to see what they really are.
 
2012-06-03 10:09:13 AM  

apoptotic: FTA:The school willing to accept the most voucher students -- 314 -- is New Living Word in Ruston, which has a top-ranked basketball team but no library. Students spend most of the day watching TVs in bare-bones classrooms. Each lesson consists of an instructional DVD that intersperses Biblical verses with subjects such chemistry or composition.

Cripes, they've figured out a way to get state education funding while getting rid of teachers altogether.


I know. This is a prime example of why we need some standard in education (preferably on the national level because states let stupid shiat like this fly)
 
2012-06-03 10:09:19 AM  
FTFA: Her first- through eighth-grade students sit in cubicles for much of the day and move at their own pace through Christian workbooks, such as a beginning science text that explains "what God made" on each of the six days of creation. They are not exposed to the theory of evolution.

"We try to stay away from all those things that might confuse our children," Carrier said.


Preparing them for later life?
 
2012-06-03 10:09:31 AM  
These religious "schools" are child abuse.

Most stupid Republican ideas are just bad, but this will ruin thousands of kids' lives. Denying a kid education destroys the kid at the most fundamental level. It's sick.
 
2012-06-03 10:12:11 AM  

NetOwl: These religious "schools" are child abuse.

Most stupid Republican ideas are just bad, but this will ruin thousands of kids' lives. Denying a kid education destroys the kid at the most fundamental level. It's sick.


well...done well, I don't have any philosophical objection to a religious based education - it CAN work, if done right.

what I don't understand tho is the desire to outsource public education. what advantage is there for doing so? how can we be sure that a private company can do the job better? how do we even measure 'better'? what choices will poor kids be given under this new system of education, and how will it be paid for?
 
2012-06-03 10:16:52 AM  
Sadly the only way to correct this behavior is to let these guys totally ruin a couple of states. The states will turn into an abysmal pit of low paid grunt labor.

The worst part will be all the innocent people damaged along the way. Generations of people with no hope of ever clawing out of the bottom of the barrel. The individuals don't deserve it.
 
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