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2012-06-03 11:18:35 AM  

X-boxershorts: I grasp the reality that you don't understand the dangers of implementing overly broad legislation that enables the deployment of the American Military against very loosely defined targets who employ a universal tactic known as terror.


*shrugs* Whatever that means. Wars are always morally ambiguous, inherently unjust, and subject to the possibility of abuse of power. So argue against war, but don't act like this one is special in that regard. They are never clear cut. Never. Innocent people die, mistakes are made, and human misery abounds.
 
2012-06-03 11:21:00 AM  

X-boxershorts: ferretman: For 1 1/2 years Obama and the dems controlled the Senate, House and Presidency...and ignored fixing the economy to push through his healthcare initiative.

But all of Obamas failed policies are the fault of Bush or Republicans. How typical of dems/libs to blame someone else instead of taking personal responsibility fro their own fark-ups.

With dems/libs (especially this administration) it is always someone elses fault....never their own. Just except it....you accepted a 'bill-of-goods' without actually looking at your candidate.

12 weeks, not 78 weeks. The Democrats enjoyed a filibuster proof majority in the senate of the 111th congress for only 12 weeks.

Also, too....when did the senate, in it's previous 200 years of existence, require a super majority to pass legislation?


and whose to blame for that? Dems implement something and when it's used against them...only then is there a problem.
 
2012-06-03 11:22:34 AM  

keylock71: He's the best Republican president we've had in decades...


Exactly. Although we're measuring things in the context of a 90's moderate Republican vs the batshait crazy ones who now have control over the party.
 
2012-06-03 11:22:56 AM  
Gallup says it's a tie. But we're 5 months and billions of dollars away from November.
 
2012-06-03 11:22:57 AM  

Flaming Yawn: Even the GOP can be shamed


This is just no longer the case, at least, not in any practical manner.
 
2012-06-03 11:24:21 AM  

Mrtraveler01: ferretman: For 1 1/2 years Obama and the dems controlled the Senate, House and Presidency...and ignored fixing the economy to push through his healthcare initiative.

But all of Obamas failed policies are the fault of Bush or Republicans. How typical of dems/libs to blame someone else instead of taking personal responsibility fro their own fark-ups.

With dems/libs (especially this administration) it is always someone elses fault....never their own. Just except it....you accepted a 'bill-of-goods' without actually looking at your candidate.

Do you really think McCain would've done that much better of a job?


I have no clue...I do not know who he would of picked for the various areas of his administration or what he would of actually tried to do....it is interesting that so many people seem to know what he would of done; wish I was psychic.
 
2012-06-03 11:25:01 AM  
If you don't think the country is better now than in 2008 you are a farking idiot.
 
2012-06-03 11:26:36 AM  

ferretman: Mrtraveler01: ferretman: For 1 1/2 years Obama and the dems controlled the Senate, House and Presidency...and ignored fixing the economy to push through his healthcare initiative.

But all of Obamas failed policies are the fault of Bush or Republicans. How typical of dems/libs to blame someone else instead of taking personal responsibility fro their own fark-ups.

With dems/libs (especially this administration) it is always someone elses fault....never their own. Just except it....you accepted a 'bill-of-goods' without actually looking at your candidate.

Do you really think McCain would've done that much better of a job?

I have no clue...I do not know who he would of picked for the various areas of his administration or what he would of actually tried to do....it is interesting that so many people seem to know what he would of done; wish I was psychic.


So you're saying it's a mistake that we elected Obama but offer no proof that McCain would have done any better?

I bet the folks in debate club laughed at you didn't they?
 
2012-06-03 11:28:04 AM  

Mrtraveler01: Everyday I'm growing more and more convinced that we need to move to a Parliamentary system.


I've thought this for years. I don't understand why the U.S. gets to install a parliamentary system in Iraq but we can't have one in Washington, D.C.
 
2012-06-03 11:29:41 AM  

Mrtraveler01: ferretman: Mrtraveler01: ferretman: For 1 1/2 years Obama and the dems controlled the Senate, House and Presidency...and ignored fixing the economy to push through his healthcare initiative.

But all of Obamas failed policies are the fault of Bush or Republicans. How typical of dems/libs to blame someone else instead of taking personal responsibility fro their own fark-ups.

With dems/libs (especially this administration) it is always someone elses fault....never their own. Just except it....you accepted a 'bill-of-goods' without actually looking at your candidate.

Do you really think McCain would've done that much better of a job?

I have no clue...I do not know who he would of picked for the various areas of his administration or what he would of actually tried to do....it is interesting that so many people seem to know what he would of done; wish I was psychic.

So you're saying it's a mistake that we elected Obama but offer no proof that McCain would have done any better?

I bet the folks in debate club laughed at you didn't they?


At least McCain was a Senator for longer than a year-and-a-half and had more experience than a community organizer. Obama was was/is just not qualified for the job.
 
2012-06-03 11:30:48 AM  

henryhill: If you don't think the country is better now than in 2008 you are a farking idiot.


Whoa now, partner! You're talking about the American electorate. The same folks who elected GWB. Twice.
 
2012-06-03 11:33:24 AM  

keylock71: He's the best Republican president we've had in decades...And I'll happily be voting for him again over the plutocratic windsock the GOP has offered up.


community.zenoss.org
 
2012-06-03 11:34:08 AM  

DarnoKonrad: X-boxershorts: I grasp the reality that you don't understand the dangers of implementing overly broad legislation that enables the deployment of the American Military against very loosely defined targets who employ a universal tactic known as terror.

*shrugs* Whatever that means. Wars are always morally ambiguous, inherently unjust, and subject to the possibility of abuse of power. So argue against war, but don't act like this one is special in that regard. They are never clear cut. Never. Innocent people die, mistakes are made, and human misery abounds.


^..to wit..^

The AUMF authorized the deployment of the American Military against a broad ranging criminal conspiracy that was active in multiple countries. We did not declare war on any nation, as is expected in international law and multiple treaties to which we are signatories. (i.e. the Geneva Conventions) Thus, without declaring war on a nation, we deployed an active military force within multiple sovereign nations for the purposes of defeating criminal behavior (as defined by the rules of Calvin Ball), in violation of our own law, as well as international law to which we are said to subscribe.

There exists only a very loose definition of the enemy combatant and said enemy combatant is even redefined from time to time.

Thus, the AUMF effectively enables an open ended state of permanent war with no end in sight and the ability to redefine, at will, the enemy du jour. As long as the AUMF remains in effect, the executive branch can (some would argue MUST) deploy military force against any faction deploying a tactic known as terror. And..the NDAA is also so loosely written as to enable the prosecution of said open ended war even within our own borders, in tacit violation of Posse Comitatus.
 
2012-06-03 11:35:55 AM  

cman: I find it rather funny.

Dems ask for single payer universal healthcare ran by the Gov. Dems got an individual mandate healthcare with corporations
Dems ask for the repeal of the Patriot Act. The Patriot Act is expanded and resigned.
Dems ask for the Bush tax cuts to be undone. Obama signs another extension.
Dems ask for human rights to be respected. Obama launches drone attacks and kills an American citizen without a trial.
Dems ask for gay marriage. Obama claims in 2008 that he did not support it, backtracks and says that a discrimination issue should be decided by the states
Dems ask for the Wallstreet Bankers to be farked up the ass. Obama does nothing to them at all
Dems ask for leeway on medical marijuana, Obama waits a few months then steps up on the federal raids

I am just showing you guys what Dems want and what they got. I am not a Dem so that makes me biased. However, this is how I view it.

He did end the Iraq war, and he did eventually support marriage equality (took a lot of budging on that one, however). But besides that, how do you Dems feel about his policies?


Ya pretty much nailed it. I won't even try to argue with you because you are right. He's just like Clinton Blue and creamy on the outside with a hard Cayenne candy center.

I would guess Bush wasn't exactly your cup of tea either. It's like the electorate is a hot chick and like both parties are just trying to get us in to a bed for a one night stand. When they succeed on election night and get to brag to their buddies that they had us, then they forget all about us other than we are hot and they farked us and they never, ever call.
 
2012-06-03 11:37:19 AM  

X-boxershorts: However, Obama has been fairly cowardly in his prosecution of said War on Terror and knowing that AQ has been pretty much shredded to bits, he could try to declare victory.


images3.wikia.nocookie.net
 
2012-06-03 11:37:32 AM  

NetOwl: As long as the Republicans want a war with Iran

continue to support permanent war as a way to enrich the military industrial prison complex and bleed our budget thus requiring cuts in everything except that which they support, Obama could eat a baby on national television and still get my vote.
 
2012-06-03 11:40:22 AM  

enry: Point of order. Pelosi got shiat done. She got way more bills out of the House than Boehner ever could.


That is EXACTLY why we the economy started tanking once she took over. thanks for reminding us.
 
2012-06-03 11:41:35 AM  

Sabyen91: X-boxershorts: However, Obama has been fairly cowardly in his prosecution of said War on Terror and knowing that AQ has been pretty much shredded to bits, he could try to declare victory.

[images3.wikia.nocookie.net image 300x300]


As a veteran myself, I'm really not happy about the vast expansion in the use of drones. It's a cowardly way to prosecute a war.

I could have been more explicit in the use of the word "cowardly" and stand corrected.
 
2012-06-03 11:42:03 AM  

tenpoundsofcheese: That is EXACTLY why we the economy started tanking once she took over.


Because the economy responds to things that quick.

/rolls eyes
 
2012-06-03 11:42:37 AM  

X-boxershorts: Obama has been fairly cowardly in his prosecution of said War on Terror and knowing that AQ has been pretty much shredded to bits, he could try to declare victory.


Or just, "Mission Accomplished."
 
2012-06-03 11:44:25 AM  

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: X-boxershorts: Obama has been fairly cowardly in his prosecution of said War on Terror and knowing that AQ has been pretty much shredded to bits, he could try to declare victory.

Or just, "Mission Accomplished."


Would he need the cod piece for emphasis?
 
2012-06-03 11:46:48 AM  

TheJoe03: brigid_fitch: Exactly. Democrats recognize their fringe elements and push them to the sidelines. GOP, however, not only embraces them but elects them to office. It's like letting the retarded kid drive the bus.

Their liberal base is fringe? So only blue dogs should be listened to? Maybe this is why the Democratic Party blows.


or explains why they can't get anything accomplished the true goal is not the stated goal.

These ROOT-WORDS are LIBER & LIVER which mean FREE. It comes from the Latin word LIBERtas, meaning liberty. The Spanish word for liverty is similar, LIBERtad. The spellings b and v come from the Latin verb libero, liberavi, liberatus which mean to set free. Do not confuse this ROOT with the LIBER which means book or LIBRA which means balance & weigh.


1. Liberal : LIBER al (lib' e ral) adj.

Relating to liberty; free
 
2012-06-03 11:46:53 AM  

X-boxershorts: Sabyen91: X-boxershorts: However, Obama has been fairly cowardly in his prosecution of said War on Terror and knowing that AQ has been pretty much shredded to bits, he could try to declare victory.

[images3.wikia.nocookie.net image 300x300]

As a veteran myself, I'm really not happy about the vast expansion in the use of drones. It's a cowardly way to prosecute a war.

I could have been more explicit in the use of the word "cowardly" and stand corrected.


How would you suggest he prosecute a war. I know you are not for new invasions and occupations so I am confused as to what you are getting at.
 
2012-06-03 11:47:24 AM  

X-boxershorts: Sabyen91: X-boxershorts: However, Obama has been fairly cowardly in his prosecution of said War on Terror and knowing that AQ has been pretty much shredded to bits, he could try to declare victory.

[images3.wikia.nocookie.net image 300x300]

As a veteran myself, I'm really not happy about the vast expansion in the use of drones. It's a cowardly way to prosecute a war.

I could have been more explicit in the use of the word "cowardly" and stand corrected.


Is sniping cowardly, since it's pretty much the same thing?
 
2012-06-03 11:50:54 AM  

bulldg4life: As such, I will not vote for someone that hasn't fixed it. Regardless of the reasons.


Well, at least you have the integrity to acknowledge that you're not being at all reasonable.
 
2012-06-03 11:51:57 AM  

TheOther: X-boxershorts: Sabyen91: X-boxershorts: However, Obama has been fairly cowardly in his prosecution of said War on Terror and knowing that AQ has been pretty much shredded to bits, he could try to declare victory.

[images3.wikia.nocookie.net image 300x300]

As a veteran myself, I'm really not happy about the vast expansion in the use of drones. It's a cowardly way to prosecute a war.

I could have been more explicit in the use of the word "cowardly" and stand corrected.

Is sniping cowardly, since it's pretty much the same thing?


sniping is 1 to 1.

Drones armed with Hellfire missiles are 1 to many.

And all too often, that "many" includes a wedding party or just a bunch of hungry farmers and their kids. They're not the same.
 
2012-06-03 11:54:26 AM  

swahnhennessy: Democrats see the political success of Clinton or Obama Reagan or Bush and figure that the center is where its at, even as it moves steadily rightward.


FTFY. The more the right wins, the more the Democrats are going to follow that route because that's empirically the winning route.
 
2012-06-03 11:54:37 AM  

bulldg4life: Then I am going to withhold my vote until someone determines that the "war on terror" is ridiculous and we should change how we're dealing with it.


How do you think not-participating in democracy is going to get your desired outcome accomplished?
 
2012-06-03 11:55:40 AM  

Sabyen91: X-boxershorts: Sabyen91: X-boxershorts: However, Obama has been fairly cowardly in his prosecution of said War on Terror and knowing that AQ has been pretty much shredded to bits, he could try to declare victory.

[images3.wikia.nocookie.net image 300x300]

As a veteran myself, I'm really not happy about the vast expansion in the use of drones. It's a cowardly way to prosecute a war.

I could have been more explicit in the use of the word "cowardly" and stand corrected.

How would you suggest he prosecute a war. I know you are not for new invasions and occupations so I am confused as to what you are getting at.


I'm more in favor of declaring an end to military hostilities while shifting future responsibility to various police forces. i.e. Scotland Yard, FBI.et al...

Andrew Bacevich
 
2012-06-03 11:59:21 AM  

ferretman: At least McCain was a Senator for longer than a year-and-a-half and had more experience than a community organizer. Obama was was/is just not qualified for the job.


Holding office in AZ should be held against you, not for you. Besides, McCain thought Palin was qualified to be a VP. That's a pretty damning comment on his judgement.
 
2012-06-03 12:03:45 PM  

ferretman: At least McCain was a Senator for longer than a year-and-a-half and had more experience than a community organizer. Obama was was/is just not qualified for the job.


I read this and still remember McCain singing "bomb bomb bomb -- bomb bomb Iran."

Yeah. Qualified. And lets not start a thread on his VP pick this time around, OK?
 
2012-06-03 12:07:39 PM  

ferretman: and whose to blame for that? Dems implement something and when it's used against them...only then is there a problem.


Holy shiat, you're an idiot.

healthcaretrends.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-06-03 12:08:15 PM  

X-boxershorts: Sabyen91: X-boxershorts: Sabyen91: X-boxershorts: However, Obama has been fairly cowardly in his prosecution of said War on Terror and knowing that AQ has been pretty much shredded to bits, he could try to declare victory.

[images3.wikia.nocookie.net image 300x300]

As a veteran myself, I'm really not happy about the vast expansion in the use of drones. It's a cowardly way to prosecute a war.

I could have been more explicit in the use of the word "cowardly" and stand corrected.

How would you suggest he prosecute a war. I know you are not for new invasions and occupations so I am confused as to what you are getting at.

I'm more in favor of declaring an end to military hostilities while shifting future responsibility to various police forces. i.e. Scotland Yard, FBI.et al...

Andrew Bacevich


I could go for this.
 
2012-06-03 12:16:53 PM  

X-boxershorts: TheOther: X-boxershorts: Sabyen91: X-boxershorts: However, Obama has been fairly cowardly in his prosecution of said War on Terror and knowing that AQ has been pretty much shredded to bits, he could try to declare victory.

[images3.wikia.nocookie.net image 300x300]

As a veteran myself, I'm really not happy about the vast expansion in the use of drones. It's a cowardly way to prosecute a war.

I could have been more explicit in the use of the word "cowardly" and stand corrected.

Is sniping cowardly, since it's pretty much the same thing?

sniping is 1 to 1.

Drones armed with Hellfire missiles are 1 to many.

And all too often, that "many" includes a wedding party or just a bunch of hungry farmers and their kids. They're not the same.


That logic would seem to indicate the more opponents engaged by the 1, the less courageous the 1 is, which is plainly counter-intuitive.

I believe minimizing exposure of your forces to enemy fire is sound tactics, but the whole sniping/drone thing seems like something different. More of an 'America should be able to wage war without the risk of major negative consequences' mindset.

I'm not talking about no American casualties in battle, but a strategic invunerability...a belief that the nation as a whole cannot and will not be hurt and a consequent blindness to the full costs of invading and occupying an Afghanistan or Iraq. So you get unlimited, seemingly endless engagement in wars on terror...and drugs...and poverty. American 'exceptionalism' is a tragic notion.
 
2012-06-03 12:18:34 PM  

kmmontandon: cman:

He did end the Iraq war, and he did eventually support marriage equality (took a lot of budging on that one, however). But besides that, how do you Dems feel about his policies?


I feel his policies are less about what we asked and what he wants, and more about a fillibustered Senate, a minority (and previously cowardly majority) House, and the fact that he's actually a centrist at heart who's a little too in love with compromise for the sake of deal making.

I also feel he couldn't have done a hell of a lot more to please the left, practically speaking. The President doesn't actually have that much power. I focus my sense of contempt and betrayal on Republicans pandering to Teabagger whackjobs and cowardly Yellow Dogs unwilling to risk seats in right-of-center districts by voting for what's actually best for the country.


This.
 
2012-06-03 12:20:50 PM  

Sabyen91: X-boxershorts: However, Obama has been fairly cowardly in his prosecution of said War on Terror and knowing that AQ has been pretty much shredded to bits, he could try to declare victory.

[images3.wikia.nocookie.net image 300x300]


You know who else declared mission accomplished?
 
2012-06-03 12:21:21 PM  
If I know the GOP propaganda machine as well as I think, it should be about August when they start ramping up the whole this-President-just-doesn't-get-it bullsh*t. It's one of their standards, always brings the house down. The rubes will lap it up as always, and as always nobody will be able to define what they mean by "it".

/Been watching this sh*t go down since 1980.
//Christ I'm old
 
2012-06-03 12:26:11 PM  

Mrtraveler01: ferretman: For 1 1/2 years Obama and the dems controlled the Senate, House and Presidency...and ignored fixing the economy to push through his healthcare initiative.

But all of Obamas failed policies are the fault of Bush or Republicans. How typical of dems/libs to blame someone else instead of taking personal responsibility fro their own fark-ups.

With dems/libs (especially this administration) it is always someone elses fault....never their own. Just except it....you accepted a 'bill-of-goods' without actually looking at your candidate.

Do you really think McCain would've done that much better of a job?


I will also be voting based on McCain's performance.
 
2012-06-03 12:28:00 PM  

Mrtraveler01: tenpoundsofcheese: That is EXACTLY why we the economy started tanking once she took over.

Because the economy responds to things that quick.

/rolls eyes


well it does when 0bama slowed down the rate of unemployment so quickly or the recession ending in june 2009.

/rolls toes.
 
2012-06-03 12:31:25 PM  

Wangiss: Mrtraveler01: ferretman: For 1 1/2 years Obama and the dems controlled the Senate, House and Presidency...and ignored fixing the economy to push through his healthcare initiative.

But all of Obamas failed policies are the fault of Bush or Republicans. How typical of dems/libs to blame someone else instead of taking personal responsibility fro their own fark-ups.

With dems/libs (especially this administration) it is always someone elses fault....never their own. Just except it....you accepted a 'bill-of-goods' without actually looking at your candidate.

Do you really think McCain would've done that much better of a job?

I will also be voting based on McCain's performance.


His argument was that Obama was a failure. My argument was to explain how McCain would've done a better job given the circumstances.

I haven't been convinced that Romney would do a better job either.
 
2012-06-03 12:34:45 PM  
I personally believe Obama has been a horrible president and won't be voting for him. Having said that, I can't envision any situation where Romney would be any better. If a head of cabbage ran for president, I'd be forced to vote for it.

Also, that article was horribly written.
 
2012-06-03 12:35:36 PM  

hubiestubert: Sabyen91: X-boxershorts: However, Obama has been fairly cowardly in his prosecution of said War on Terror and knowing that AQ has been pretty much shredded to bits, he could try to declare victory.

[images3.wikia.nocookie.net image 300x300]

You know who else declared mission accomplished?


Mitt Romney in France?
 
2012-06-03 12:36:16 PM  

WhyteRaven74: But it's true, there are lots of examples of Presidents all but bashing their heads against a wall yet what they wanted getting nowhere. If you want something, you have to make sure you have a Congress who will go with it.


He did for the first couple of years but as per usual, the Democrats were too spineless to even go for the gusto and implement their ideas. Obama has also been incredibly weak against the GOP, trying to appease them even though the GOP has no intention of working with him or compromising. The result is that Obama has pretty much done what the GOP would do in the pre-Bush era, you know, the last time they were a (generally) sane group of people. Finally, he might have campaigned center-left but ended up being center-right, which is why many liberals aren't very enthusiastic about voting for him. His ardent supporters can say that Romney is worse, but what the fark kind of standard is that to set?

/we need a multi-party system, because this see saw between the GOP and the Democrats only allows both parties to have total power and no reason to actually change in a positive way.
 
2012-06-03 12:37:02 PM  

TheJoe03: His ardent supporters can say that Romney is worse, but what the fark kind of standard is that to set?


Welcome to America and our two party system.
 
2012-06-03 12:40:44 PM  

odinsposse: Right. The point of these concern trolling articles from the right isn't to convince people to vote for Romney but to convince Obama supporters to stay home or vote third party. Welcome to the Republican voter suppression effort.


So then why shouldn't the Democrats do the same exact thing? Don't act like politics isn't dirty. Not only is Romney a Massachusetts politician (therefore "liberal" compared to the rest of the GOP), he is also a Mormon. The conservative base isn't enthusiastic either and I think turnout will be very low this election.
 
2012-06-03 12:42:02 PM  

Mrtraveler01: Welcome to America and our two party system.


I know but the least we can do is hold the people we voted for accountable so that maybe they will actual cater to them. Giving them a pass is asinine, I don't care who they are running against.
 
2012-06-03 12:44:20 PM  

Mrtraveler01: Wangiss: Mrtraveler01: ferretman: For 1 1/2 years Obama and the dems controlled the Senate, House and Presidency...and ignored fixing the economy to push through his healthcare initiative.

But all of Obamas failed policies are the fault of Bush or Republicans. How typical of dems/libs to blame someone else instead of taking personal responsibility fro their own fark-ups.

With dems/libs (especially this administration) it is always someone elses fault....never their own. Just except it....you accepted a 'bill-of-goods' without actually looking at your candidate.

Do you really think McCain would've done that much better of a job?

I will also be voting based on McCain's performance.

His argument was that Obama was a failure. My argument was to explain how McCain would've done a better job given the circumstances.

I haven't been convinced that Romney would do a better job either.


You also asked for proof that McCain would have done a better job, which was stupid because it cannot be furnished and it's entirely beside the point of next term's vote. Your switching focus to Romney's uncertain future versus Obama's uncertain future was the right choice, and I congratulate you.
 
2012-06-03 12:46:45 PM  
Oh look! A fark headline that's disconnected from reality!

Oh look! More lies from the GOP!

I'm shocked, shocked.
 
2012-06-03 01:00:22 PM  
This is really just an awfully written headline.
 
2012-06-03 01:02:42 PM  
I'm just glad that the policy of giving money directly to rich people, then borrowing it back at a high interest rate worked for Commrade Barry.

/ducks
 
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