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(Forbes)   Political pundits surprised to hear that a man who ran on a concept of "Change we can believe in" would be losing many supporters when he fails to follow through. Apparently, people didnt get the change that they wanted   (forbes.com) divider line 383
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2012-06-03 12:34:40 AM  
Speaking as a billionaire banker, I still believe.
 
2012-06-03 12:44:20 AM  
Speaking as a working stiff, I'm getting tired of having to use my pocket change to pay for lunch.

Change I can believe in! Yippie! !? ?? ????

eck.
 
2012-06-03 12:46:14 AM  
I find it rather funny.

Dems ask for single payer universal healthcare ran by the Gov. Dems got an individual mandate healthcare with corporations
Dems ask for the repeal of the Patriot Act. The Patriot Act is expanded and resigned.
Dems ask for the Bush tax cuts to be undone. Obama signs another extension.
Dems ask for human rights to be respected. Obama launches drone attacks and kills an American citizen without a trial.
Dems ask for gay marriage. Obama claims in 2008 that he did not support it, backtracks and says that a discrimination issue should be decided by the states
Dems ask for the Wallstreet Bankers to be farked up the ass. Obama does nothing to them at all
Dems ask for leeway on medical marijuana, Obama waits a few months then steps up on the federal raids

I am just showing you guys what Dems want and what they got. I am not a Dem so that makes me biased. However, this is how I view it.

He did end the Iraq war, and he did eventually support marriage equality (took a lot of budging on that one, however). But besides that, how do you Dems feel about his policies?
 
2012-06-03 12:54:27 AM  
I'm fairly certain he's been a little busy reversing the disaster of the Bush Administration. The economy is no longer crashing headlong downwards, Osama bin Laden is dead, the troops are returning home, DADT has been repealed, People now have a better chance at health care, GM is now the top in the world in auto sales again...

When I look at where the country was on Jan. 20, 2008 and where we are now, I can believe in that kind of change, even if it's not as fast as I wanted. I'm enough of a grown-up to understand that when the Republican Party pursues a policy of "NO" for everything the President is for - even on legislation they started - it's going to be difficult to get anything done.

Nice try, though, guys.
 
2012-06-03 12:57:17 AM  

cman:

He did end the Iraq war, and he did eventually support marriage equality (took a lot of budging on that one, however). But besides that, how do you Dems feel about his policies?



I feel his policies are less about what we asked and what he wants, and more about a fillibustered Senate, a minority (and previously cowardly majority) House, and the fact that he's actually a centrist at heart who's a little too in love with compromise for the sake of deal making.

I also feel he couldn't have done a hell of a lot more to please the left, practically speaking. The President doesn't actually have that much power. I focus my sense of contempt and betrayal on Republicans pandering to Teabagger whackjobs and cowardly Yellow Dogs unwilling to risk seats in right-of-center districts by voting for what's actually best for the country.
 
2012-06-03 01:02:37 AM  
Uh-huh... go on...
 
2012-06-03 01:52:30 AM  

cman: He did end the Iraq war, and he did eventually support marriage equality (took a lot of budging on that one, however). But besides that, how do you Dems feel about his policies?


Better than the alternative. In 2008 and in 2012.

What's truly weird is that, even with all the things you listed, a fair number of people think he's Stalin reincarnated. A lot of people inhabit some weird Twilight Zone where Obama is just-like-every-other-pol at the same time that he is taking America in a radically new direction beyond anything the Founders and other Real Americans could ever imagine. He's an inept, air-headed empty suit who succeeded only through Affirmative Action and he is single-handedly undoing nearly 250 years of American tradition.

There are lots of people with insane views of Obama, left and right.
 
2012-06-03 01:59:38 AM  

kmmontandon: I feel his policies are less about what we asked and what he wants, and more about a fillibustered Senate, a minority (and previously cowardly majority) House, and the fact that he's actually a centrist at heart who's a little too in love with compromise for the sake of deal making.

I also feel he couldn't have done a hell of a lot more to please the left, practically speaking. The President doesn't actually have that much power. I focus my sense of contempt and betrayal on Republicans pandering to Teabagger whackjobs and cowardly Yellow Dogs unwilling to risk seats in right-of-center districts by voting for what's actually best for the country.


Not to mention the Teabagging assholes who were directly responsible for the downgrading of the U.S. credit rating.

I think Obama's been much too wimpy when dealing with these jerks who are hell-bent on making things worse for Americans.
 
2012-06-03 02:14:19 AM  

Lorelle: kmmontandon: I feel his policies are less about what we asked and what he wants, and more about a fillibustered Senate, a minority (and previously cowardly majority) House, and the fact that he's actually a centrist at heart who's a little too in love with compromise for the sake of deal making.

I also feel he couldn't have done a hell of a lot more to please the left, practically speaking. The President doesn't actually have that much power. I focus my sense of contempt and betrayal on Republicans pandering to Teabagger whackjobs and cowardly Yellow Dogs unwilling to risk seats in right-of-center districts by voting for what's actually best for the country.

Not to mention the Teabagging assholes who were directly responsible for the downgrading of the U.S. credit rating.

I think Obama's been much too wimpy when dealing with these jerks who are hell-bent on making things worse for Americans.


...so vote Republican.

/as if
 
2012-06-03 03:14:39 AM  
Despite the frothing hysteria and demands of both the fanatical greenies and anti-government medicare recipients, the presidency doesn't allow much deviation from year to year.

Both Bushes (41 & 43) were arguably to the left of both Obama and Clinton. Reagan and Nixon were both clearly more in favor of a strong federal government than were Johnson or Kennedy.

Look at just the policies, and Obama comes out as an emotionless, number-crunching technocrat. Bush 43 is a European welfare socialist, Nixon looks like Nikita Khrushchev, and Reagan looks like the love child of Berlusconi and Kadafi. Clinton's actual policies were closer to Ron Paul than Pol Pot, and GHWB looks pretty much like President Mitt Romney - but with a better cabinet.
 
2012-06-03 07:26:17 AM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: I'm fairly certain he's been a little busy reversing the disaster of the Bush Administration. The economy is no longer crashing headlong downwards, Osama bin Laden is dead, the troops are returning home, DADT has been repealed, People now have a better chance at health care, GM is now the top in the world in auto sales again...

When I look at where the country was on Jan. 20, 2008 and where we are now, I can believe in that kind of change, even if it's not as fast as I wanted. I'm enough of a grown-up to understand that when the Republican Party pursues a policy of "NO" for everything the President is for - even on legislation they started - it's going to be difficult to get anything done.

Nice try, though, guys.




pretty much this. I also think that even with some disappointment with Obama, it's going to come down to "well, look at the alternative"; especially now that the birthers are starting to come out in force.
 
2012-06-03 07:39:57 AM  

cman: He did end the Iraq war.


He stuck to the exit plan the previous administration had negotiated with Iraq. Granted, there was of course the rote opposition to leaving from some in the GOP, but that was no surprise.
 
2012-06-03 07:49:19 AM  
...because the folks who are disappointed by the performance thus far are going to be thrilled with Romney?

Keep telling yourselves that, while working to scrub folks from the voter rolls...

The best campaign speeches for Obama lately have been by Mitt, so I look forward to the campaign truly starting.
 
2012-06-03 08:08:39 AM  

hubiestubert: ...because the folks who are disappointed by the performance thus far are going to be thrilled with Romney?

Keep telling yourselves that, while working to scrub folks from the voter rolls...

The best campaign speeches for Obama lately have been by Mitt, so I look forward to the campaign truly starting.




I've long thought that Romney was the GOP's best choice in that he might cause disappointed Obama supporters to stay home, but it seems like the birthers are starting to become more vocal again and Romney seems to be patting them on the head. I think it will actually be a close race, though some indications seem to be that Romney will play harder to the Right than he really needs to.
 
2012-06-03 08:18:07 AM  
Yes it's true. Obama will be re-elected with fewer votes.
 
2012-06-03 08:19:21 AM  
tl;dr? Here's a summary: Just like the Right, the Left has a lunatic fringe who hate Obama too, but they have been left isolated out in the wilderness rather than embraced into the mainstream.
 
2012-06-03 08:21:42 AM  

MisterTweak: Despite the frothing hysteria and demands of both the fanatical greenies and anti-government medicare recipients, the presidency doesn't allow much deviation from year to year.

Both Bushes (41 & 43) were arguably to the left of both Obama and Clinton. Reagan and Nixon were both clearly more in favor of a strong federal government than were Johnson or Kennedy.

Look at just the policies, and Obama comes out as an emotionless, number-crunching technocrat. Bush 43 is a European welfare socialist, Nixon looks like Nikita Khrushchev, and Reagan looks like the love child of Berlusconi and Kadafi. Clinton's actual policies were closer to Ron Paul than Pol Pot, and GHWB looks pretty much like President Mitt Romney - but with a better cabinet.


What the hell is this logic doing in a Fark Politics thread?
 
2012-06-03 08:25:43 AM  

cman: But besides that, how do you Dems feel about his policies?


Considering he put policies in place that led to an uptick in the jobs numbers and the economy while ending a war, gutting Al Qaeda, getting a massive health care bill passed, and generally making your side look like tools, I'll hold my nose on the things that he couldn't get done. But I also get that it's too much to ask for your side to vote in legislators who do more than whine and stamp their feet, so I doubt his next four years will fix everything we'd like fixed.
 
2012-06-03 08:29:43 AM  

calm like a bomb: cman: But besides that, how do you Dems feel about his policies?

Considering he put policies in place that led to an uptick in the jobs numbers and the economy while ending a war, gutting Al Qaeda, getting a massive health care bill passed, and generally making your side look like tools, I'll hold my nose on the things that he couldn't get done. But I also get that it's too much to ask for your side to vote in legislators who do more than whine and stamp their feet, so I doubt his next four years will fix everything we'd like fixed.


My side?
 
2012-06-03 08:31:07 AM  

cman: I am just showing you guys what Dems want and what they got. I am not a Dem so that makes me biased. However, this is how I view it.

He did end the Iraq war, and he did eventually support marriage equality (took a lot of budging on that one, however). But besides that, how do you Dems feel about his policies?


I think a lot of people saw what they wanted to see in Obama, rather than listening to what he was actually saying. He ran on a basically centrist platform, and he's governed on a basically centrist platform. I don't agree with everything he's done, but I wasn't surprised by any of it.

Anyone who thinks or thought he's the most liberal lib who ever libbed is just being silly.
 
2012-06-03 08:31:45 AM  

cman: I find it rather funny.

Dems ask for single payer universal healthcare ran by the Gov. Dems got an individual mandate healthcare with corporations
Dems ask for the repeal of the Patriot Act. The Patriot Act is expanded and resigned.
Dems ask for the Bush tax cuts to be undone. Obama signs another extension.
Dems ask for human rights to be respected. Obama launches drone attacks and kills an American citizen without a trial.
Dems ask for gay marriage. Obama claims in 2008 that he did not support it, backtracks and says that a discrimination issue should be decided by the states
Dems ask for the Wallstreet Bankers to be farked up the ass. Obama does nothing to them at all
Dems ask for leeway on medical marijuana, Obama waits a few months then steps up on the federal raids

I am just showing you guys what Dems want and what they got. I am not a Dem so that makes me biased. However, this is how I view it.

He did end the Iraq war, and he did eventually support marriage equality (took a lot of budging on that one, however). But besides that, how do you Dems feel about his policies?


Read the f article.
 
2012-06-03 08:32:05 AM  

cman: calm like a bomb: cman: But besides that, how do you Dems feel about his policies?

Considering he put policies in place that led to an uptick in the jobs numbers and the economy while ending a war, gutting Al Qaeda, getting a massive health care bill passed, and generally making your side look like tools, I'll hold my nose on the things that he couldn't get done. But I also get that it's too much to ask for your side to vote in legislators who do more than whine and stamp their feet, so I doubt his next four years will fix everything we'd like fixed.

My side?


Just because you vote for a different Republican does not mean you are somehow not a Republican.
 
2012-06-03 08:37:54 AM  
He may not be want I desired as president but the lunatics on the right are only pissing me off with their petty vindictiveness.
 
2012-06-03 08:42:53 AM  
He was built up as some ridiculous liberal Libby libberaro by his diehard supporters and by his detractors.

His campaign and presidency have been centrist. Everyone expecting massive alterations for America were nutjobs (both sides).

For me, he has tried compromise far too much. The GOP has made it quite clear that they are purely looking to screw things over to destroy Obama. But, at the same time, I blame Harry Reid for being a spineless retard.

I think I've stopped blaming the GOP since they have been vocal in their reasoning and it is expected. Ridiculously stupid, but obvious. At some point, I just started blaming democrats for being idiots too.

As for Obama's reelection, I was looking for no additional war with Iran, a refocusing on Afghanistan, some gay rights movement, and a stop to idiotic economic policies that burned our financial sector to the ground. I think I got 3 to 3.5 of what I wanted. However, the indefinite detention thing still bothers me. I don't think Obama will get my vote. And, I don't care about the exact reasons for GITMO or if I'm a silly single issue voter....it's a big issue.

Besides, I live in Georgia. It's not going for Obama.
 
2012-06-03 08:49:15 AM  
So vote Bob Dole!

/Deja vu...
 
2012-06-03 08:58:32 AM  

bulldg4life: I don't think Obama will get my vote. And, I don't care about the exact reasons for GITMO or if I'm a silly single issue voter....it's a big issue.


Who do you intend to vote for in the general?
 
2012-06-03 08:58:38 AM  

kmmontandon: cman:

He did end the Iraq war, and he did eventually support marriage equality (took a lot of budging on that one, however). But besides that, how do you Dems feel about his policies?


I feel his policies are less about what we asked and what he wants, and more about a fillibustered Senate, a minority (and previously cowardly majority) House, and the fact that he's actually a centrist at heart who's a little too in love with compromise for the sake of deal making.

I also feel he couldn't have done a hell of a lot more to please the left, practically speaking. The President doesn't actually have that much power. I focus my sense of contempt and betrayal on Republicans pandering to Teabagger whackjobs and cowardly Yellow Dogs unwilling to risk seats in right-of-center districts by voting for what's actually best for the country.


Count me in this camp.

calm like a bomb: cman: But besides that, how do you Dems feel about his policies?

Considering he put policies in place that led to an uptick in the jobs numbers and the economy while ending a war, gutting Al Qaeda, getting a massive health care bill passed, and generally making your side look like tools, I'll hold my nose on the things that he couldn't get done. But I also get that it's too much to ask for your side to vote in legislators who do more than whine and stamp their feet, so I doubt his next four years will fix everything we'd like fixed.


This one too.

Lionel Mandrake: Better than the alternative. In 2008 and in 2012.


And definitely this!
 
2012-06-03 09:00:04 AM  
i.imgur.com
 
2012-06-03 09:00:16 AM  

bulldg4life: Besides, I live in Georgia. It's not going for Obama


I can't argue with you there.

I live in MO and if I don't vote for Obama here, even if I vote third party (which all suck btw), it would basically be a vote for Romney.
 
2012-06-03 09:00:44 AM  
The sad reality of American politics is that the only choices are Obama, or Romney/Bush/McCain/Palin.
 
2012-06-03 09:01:06 AM  

Ikam: bulldg4life: I don't think Obama will get my vote. And, I don't care about the exact reasons for GITMO or if I'm a silly single issue voter....it's a big issue.

Who do you intend to vote for in the general?


Elizabeth Warren!

/Someone actually suggested this as a third party candidate in an earlier thread
 
2012-06-03 09:01:10 AM  
Arsonist: "So the fancy-shmancy hero fire department put out the fire. Whoop-de-freakin-do! Seems to me like, if they were the rockstar heroes everybody says, they would have prevented the fire in the first place! And yet, since you kicked me off the fire department, fires continue to happen! So much for your *finger quotes* hope and change!"
 
2012-06-03 09:01:55 AM  

farkityfarker: The sad reality of American politics is that the only choices are Obama, or Romney/Bush/McCain/Palin.


Everyday I'm growing more and more convinced that we need to move to a Parliamentary system.
 
2012-06-03 09:04:49 AM  

cman: I find it rather funny.

Dems ask for single payer universal healthcare ran by the Gov. Dems got an individual mandate healthcare with corporations
Dems ask for the repeal of the Patriot Act. The Patriot Act is expanded and resigned.
Dems ask for the Bush tax cuts to be undone. Obama signs another extension.
Dems ask for human rights to be respected. Obama launches drone attacks and kills an American citizen without a trial.
Dems ask for gay marriage. Obama claims in 2008 that he did not support it, backtracks and says that a discrimination issue should be decided by the states
Dems ask for the Wallstreet Bankers to be farked up the ass. Obama does nothing to them at all
Dems ask for leeway on medical marijuana, Obama waits a few months then steps up on the federal raids

I am just showing you guys what Dems want and what they got. I am not a Dem so that makes me biased. However, this is how I view it.

He did end the Iraq war, and he did eventually support marriage equality (took a lot of budging on that one, however). But besides that, how do you Dems feel about his policies?

BOTH SIDES ARE BAD SO VOTE REPUBLICAN


So boring. Like a Skrillex "song."

Romney would be a total failure as evidenced by his colossal failures in Massachusetts. The one thing he did right he now won't admit to.
 
2012-06-03 09:05:13 AM  

Mrtraveler01: farkityfarker: The sad reality of American politics is that the only choices are Obama, or Romney/Bush/McCain/Palin.

Everyday I'm growing more and more convinced that we need to move to a Parliamentary system.


If we had a parliamentary system John Boehner would currently be Prime Minister.
 
2012-06-03 09:06:03 AM  

farkityfarker: Mrtraveler01: farkityfarker: The sad reality of American politics is that the only choices are Obama, or Romney/Bush/McCain/Palin.

Everyday I'm growing more and more convinced that we need to move to a Parliamentary system.

If we had a parliamentary system John Boehner would currently be Prime Minister.


I take that back then.

/shudders
 
2012-06-03 09:07:42 AM  

cman: I find it rather funny.


I thought you were leaving Fark. Too many people calling you a troll and upsetting you.
 
2012-06-03 09:08:20 AM  
As long as the Republicans want a war with Iran, Obama could eat a baby on national television and still get my vote.
 
2012-06-03 09:10:26 AM  

farkityfarker: Mrtraveler01: farkityfarker: The sad reality of American politics is that the only choices are Obama, or Romney/Bush/McCain/Palin.

Everyday I'm growing more and more convinced that we need to move to a Parliamentary system.

If we had a parliamentary system John Boehner would currently be Prime Minister.


Actually I doubt that very much. I understand your point, but I don't think the likes of Boehner ever would have been speaker in the first place. The leader of the party in parliamentary countries has to have that electable charisma. Boehner may have that for his local district, but he turns a lot of people off in a huge way. So somebody else would have been out in front.

In England, for example, Boehner would have been chief whip, rather than PM.

The other thing is that we would have a ping-pong government if we were parliamentarian. Elections every six months as the seesaw keeps tipping one way or another. One of the trends in right-wing politics since 2000 has been trying to ensure that their end of the seesaw goes down and stays down, permanently.
 
2012-06-03 09:10:38 AM  

cman: I find it rather funny.


So... you like Obama now?
 
2012-06-03 09:11:39 AM  
Geez Subby. The article was actually about how the clueless Left is a lot like the clueless Right, not about how Obama is losing a lot of supporters who thought he could deliver rainbows and unicorns. THese types actually supported John Edwards in the last cycle which is as sad as it is funny.

He actually has delivered a little on the rainbow front, now he just has to deliver a unicorn or two and the clueless Left will be happy...if only he could figure out exactly what a unicorn is. Maybe stopping Japanese, Norwegian and Faroese "Research" vessels from going after whales, small whales like Minkys, Balugas and yes,Narwals.(closest damn thing to a unicorn that there is on this planet or have I missed something). Maybe he could get an endorsement from those clowns on WhaleWars. That would do the trick.
 
2012-06-03 09:15:10 AM  
Politicians fail to live up to their promises because they never intended to keep them in the first place.

I can't believe there is anyone over the age of 12 who thinks otherwise.
 
2012-06-03 09:16:57 AM  

DrD'isInfotainment: He actually has delivered a little on the rainbow front


wut? did he ask Congress to draft any legislation that he is ready to sigh?

he delivered nothing except a head fake.
 
2012-06-03 09:18:47 AM  

hubiestubert: ...because the folks who are disappointed by the performance thus far are going to be thrilled with Romney?


This.

Anybody who feels this way deserves to get raped by the Republicans.
 
2012-06-03 09:20:09 AM  

Ikam: Who do you intend to vote for in the general?


I'm going to vote for Alexander Pathy.
 
2012-06-03 09:21:07 AM  
The only truly meaningful evaluation of Obama's performance is in comparison to what a McCain administration would have accomplished (or what a Romney administration is likely to accomplish). Even if Obama were as ineffective as the republicans try to paint him, I'd rather support an ineffective politician who advocates for my beliefs than an effective politician who advocates against them.

Hell, I'm amazed Obama was able to get anything done given the unprecedented degree of obstruction he faced.

"The single most important thing we want to achieve is for President Obama to be a one-term president." -- Senate minority leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY)

When your opposition is more interested in team politics than the well-being of the country you're pretty well screwed. The debt ceiling debacle was the most disgusting display of scorched earth politics I've witnessed in this country.
 
2012-06-03 09:21:11 AM  

Mrtraveler01: Who do you intend to vote for in the general?

Elizabeth Warren!


I could get behind this. Good answer.
 
2012-06-03 09:23:55 AM  

hubiestubert: ...because the folks who are disappointed by the performance thus far are going to be thrilled with Romney?


Does it not suck that we went from supporting Obama to holding our nose and voting for him because the GOP is not a viable alternative? All I know is that Obama ain't getting the money or youth support he got in 08.
 
2012-06-03 09:24:38 AM  
What a racist article. How dare they criticize the Savior?
 
2012-06-03 09:24:43 AM  
Don't judge me against the almighty, judge me against the alternative.
 
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