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2012-06-03 03:09:00 AM  

Tamater: BroVinny: I don't understand how this happened. Doesn't Canada have strict gun control laws in place?

When handguns are outlawed, only outlaws have handguns.


Outlaws and policemen.

/You really think you're gonna be quicker and sharper than the guy who decided to steal your shiat? He'll just steal your gun and give it to a buddy.
 
2012-06-03 03:13:06 AM  
Not that anyone cared, but Drew and I are in Toronto right now and we're both fine.
 
2012-06-03 03:19:29 AM  

relcec: Gwyrddu:

relcec: I'm not saying poverty in America isn't a problem.
intentional u.s. policies that contribute to people being miserable and unable to find gainful employment at a decent wage is my biggest political gripe with this country.
I'm saying that relative poverty doesn't turn people into violent criminals, culture does.

I think wealth inequality is a bigger factor than absolute wealth. If everyone is poor, there is no point in killing your neighbor. If a few people are very rich off the rest who are very poor, then you are probably going to have some problems.

really, in a country synonymous with famine and desperation there isn't anything to take from other people? when your starving the other dudes gruel doesn't look tempting? you don't think if they had our go get yours culture there they would have significantly more problems?

I bet you're just looking to justify bad behavior in the name of wealth inequality because you want more of other peoples stuff. you're part of the problem because you deny what the problem even is to score political points.


nepal has a significantly higher GINI than us and 1/2 homicide rate.
china has the same GINI as us a 1/4 of the homicides.
singapore has a not insignificantly higher GINI index than us and a homicide rate that is 1/10 of ours, and 4th lowest homicide rate in the entire world.

it's not desperation that drives people to murder, it's a culture.


/I'm a big critic of billionaires paying way too low capital gains taxes, but that isn't why people shoot eachother over air jordans.


It's basic fairness. If you know for a fact that the whole country is farked, there's a kind of solidarity there.

Here, it seems arbitrary, and the goal you're trying to reach in your climb up the social ladder isn't just keeping up with the Joneses, it's faking a heart attack to get medivaced 12 stories above the schlubs too stupid to cheat their way to the top like the assholes you see on TV. The social contract is broken.

Also, Asian countries typically have lower crime rates. Social ostracism is especially devastating to people who grow up with those genes. You had to be community minded if you wanted to base your agricultural system on rice paddies and night soil without all dying. Why do you think their brand of Communism has lasted so much longer than the others?
 
2012-06-03 03:34:34 AM  

relcec: nepal has a significantly higher GINI than us and 1/2 homicide rate.
china has the same GINI as us a 1/4 of the homicides.
singapore has a not insignificantly higher GINI index than us and a homicide rate that is 1/10 of ours, and 4th lowest homicide rate in the entire world.


The only country that compares in population is China, and its real statistics are a mystery, not to be compared at all. They understate everything that might come across as negative.


relcec: it's a culture.


Your kinds code word for too many minorities
 
2012-06-03 03:38:23 AM  

omnibus_necanda_sunt: Gwyrddu: It was Scott, wasn't it? He's a dick.

relcec: I'm not saying poverty in America isn't a problem.
intentional u.s. policies that contribute to people being miserable and unable to find gainful employment at a decent wage is my biggest political gripe with this country.
I'm saying that relative poverty doesn't turn people into violent criminals, culture does.

I think wealth inequality is a bigger factor than absolute wealth. If everyone is poor, there is no point in killing your neighbor. If a few people are very rich off the rest who are very poor, then you are probably going to have some problems.

Bingo. Classic stuff from Introduction to Comparative Politics. It's in the damned textbook.



New York has the highest gini coefficient any state in the nation, Connecticut is second.
why is New York ranked 22nd in violent crime per capita and Connecticut 37th?
shouldn't the middle class in Connecticut be killing eahother for their Air Jordans because there is a billionaire down the street with an 8 bedroom 16 bath mansion on 25 acres?
oh, I know something that affects the transmission of culture, that has nothing to do with whether bill gates and buffet have a shiat load of money:
 
2012-06-03 03:42:37 AM  
don't like jpgs apparently.


www.cleanzone.com
 
2012-06-03 03:49:30 AM  
thank god this kind of thing only happens in the usa
 
2012-06-03 05:05:32 AM  

proteus_b: thank god this kind of thing only happens in the usa


www.kellimarshall.net

Agrees.
 
2012-06-03 06:09:27 AM  

BroVinny: I don't understand how this happened. Doesn't Canada have strict gun control laws in place?


TL;DR version is, we have more guns per capita than you do.
 
2012-06-03 06:11:02 AM  

Mike: Not that anyone cared, but Drew and I are in Toronto right now and we're both fine.


Come down to Welland and get high.
 
2012-06-03 06:14:23 AM  

lack of warmth: I don't which makes me more sick. The random shooting or the pregnate woman being trampled by the runaway crowd. In my mind I just made it worse with thought of some young guy telling her "get out of the way fatso" before she fell. What happened to Canadians are always polite?

/I just can't handle someone running over a pregnate woman
//may everyone who touched her or stepped over should have a rough time sleeping tonight


You have a serious need to look into trampling deaths and the effects of panic on crowds.

Nobody would have been shoving her down; the entire crowd would have been moving, crushing itself towards the door.
 
2012-06-03 06:51:24 AM  

Mike: Not that anyone cared, but Drew and I are in Toronto right now and we're both fine.


I want to hear Drew's alibi...
 
2012-06-03 06:58:25 AM  
Hello, hurray, what a nice day, for the Eaton rifles.
 
2012-06-03 07:17:08 AM  
Let's see....Toronto Fark Party - Mall shooting.

Coincidence?
 
2012-06-03 08:10:17 AM  

Mike: Not that anyone cared, but Drew and I are in Toronto right now and we're both fine.


Next time you guys roll into town, tell people not to do shots in public.


/Stay safe, eh?
//And drunk, eh?
 
2012-06-03 08:19:11 AM  

knifeyspoony: whatshisname: knifeyspoony: "My heart bleeds for them when I hear someone gets killed, but it's their own fault at the end of the day." -Mayor Mike Ford

Rob.
Rob Ford.


Woops. I was thinking of the guy from Moxy Fruvous!


Heh, I was gonna say, that doesn't sound like something Mike Ford would say...
 
2012-06-03 10:03:01 AM  

Mike: Not that anyone cared, but Drew and I are in Toronto right now and we're both fine.


You'll get over it :)
 
2012-06-03 10:18:00 AM  

relcec: I was in Toronto during a few of the games between the Blue Jays and the Chicago White Sox during the 1993 American league championship series. I was about 8000 feet from that mall, which back then was an old derelict apartment building and a low rent strip mall.


I understand your post is facetious but the Eaton Center has been there since 1977. While it has undergone some major renovations, it's located at Toronto's equivalent of Times Square. There was never an old derelict apartment building or a low rent strip mall anywhere near there.
 
2012-06-03 10:26:36 AM  

knifeyspoony: "My heart bleeds for them when I hear someone gets killed, but it's their own fault at the end of the day." -Mayor Mike Ford



Is Mike Ford related to Toronto's Mayor, Rob Ford?
 
2012-06-03 10:30:58 AM  

mudesi: Let's see....Toronto Fark Party - Mall shooting.

Coincidence?


First thing I thought of...

/I work across the street from there... holy crap
 
2012-06-03 10:49:50 AM  

Vance Uppercut: knifeyspoony: "My heart bleeds for them when I hear someone gets killed, but it's their own fault at the end of the day." -Mayor Mike Ford


Is Mike Ford related to Toronto's Mayor, Rob Ford?


Aren't 2 idiot Ford brothers enough?
 
2012-06-03 11:02:36 AM  

angrycrank: Vance Uppercut: knifeyspoony: "My heart bleeds for them when I hear someone gets killed, but it's their own fault at the end of the day." -Mayor Mike Ford


Is Mike Ford related to Toronto's Mayor, Rob Ford?

Aren't 2 idiot Ford brothers enough?


I would say they're actually too many but.....
 
2012-06-03 11:10:51 AM  

"My heart bleeds for them when I hear someone gets killed, but it's their own fault at the end of the day." -Mayor Rob Ford


ideally someone shoots rob ford and makes that true.
 
2012-06-03 11:31:49 AM  

ontariolightning: BroVinny: I don't understand how this happened. Doesn't Canada have strict gun control laws in place?

Yeah, but the odd mass shooting still happens, like anywhere.

Ontario & Quebec have the strictest gun control laws in Canada and are the safest provinces to live despite having nearly 21 million of the nearly 35 million citizens


The gun control laws do not vary by province. They are federal. Those who do not know, teach.
 
2012-06-03 01:05:40 PM  

Mike: Not that anyone cared, but Drew and I are in Toronto right now and we're both fine.


I cared Mike. I cared.
 
2012-06-03 02:45:30 PM  
Mall remains closed today which reminds me of crazy guy from G20 mall closing:
This guy
 
2012-06-03 03:03:04 PM  
Gun control, it's working*

*By keeping guns only in the hands of cops, criminals, and spree-kilers
 
2012-06-03 03:04:10 PM  

Mike: Not that anyone cared, but Drew and I are in Toronto right now and we're both fine.


I care... about that two bucks you owe me.
 
2012-06-03 03:11:54 PM  
Unhappy with the poutine at the mall?
 
2012-06-03 04:07:19 PM  
I read that as mass mail shooting and I was trying figure out how the fark that would work.
 
2012-06-03 05:51:44 PM  
From another article: On a personal level, Ford said he found the violence "very upsetting as the mayor and as a father."

I am neither a mayor nor a father, therefore I am unaffected by this news.
 
2012-06-03 07:04:16 PM  

intelligent comment below: relcec: nepal has a significantly higher GINI than us and 1/2 homicide rate.
china has the same GINI as us a 1/4 of the homicides.
singapore has a not insignificantly higher GINI index than us and a homicide rate that is 1/10 of ours, and 4th lowest homicide rate in the entire world.

The only country that compares in population is China, and its real statistics are a mystery, not to be compared at all. They understate everything that might come across as negative.


relcec: it's a culture.

Your kinds code word for too many minorities



every time this comes up I go to pains to explain this has nothing to do with race. it's a cultural problem and this destructive culture is found in every race. I shout down the racist f*cks that try to make it about race. I did it in this very f*cking thread you asshole. if I thought this had anything to do with genetic predisposition or race I wouldn't have any problem saying that either, but it doesn't have the slightest thing to do with any of that. it has everything to do with the cultural people grow up in.

a variation of this bullshiat culture is found across the pond in the UK. specifically the chav culture found among the UK's white working class.
that culture is the reason that while the UK has a GINI coefficient that is significantly lower than that found america (read: the UK has a more equal distribution of wealth), they have a violent crime rate that is 4 times higher than ours1.

you're an asshole, you're fairly stupid, and you are also a race baiting troll who is just as f*cking bad as the racists that normally inhabit these threads. normally I would assume the reason you are denying this is actually a cultural problem despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary is because that would necessarily imply that the transgressors actually have some control over this state of affairs, and as you are a progressive who, like many other progressives, refuses to assign blame for modern day transgressions to groups of people that you consider historical victims deserving of your protection, you are willing to deny even the painfully obvious to avoid this conclusion.

but after observing your puddle deep analysis of every problem in the world, from big gulps to grand legal principles, and your unfortunate penchant for spewing worn out platitudes and cliches at all like so much mental diarrhea virtually on a daily basis, I know that you can't possibly have ever thought even so little about any subject ever in your life.

you're just aping excuses you've seen others put forth before you and, as many others do, crying racist when an actual argument would be appropriate. you're a f*cking parrot without even the very limited intellectual ability necessary to carry on a discussion of even this easily accessed topic on your own. you're not worth my time any longer, you amoeba brained cum stain.

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1In the UK, there are 2,034 offenses per 100,000 people, way ahead of second-placed Austria with a rate of 1,677. The U.S. has a violence rate of 466 crimes per 100,000 residents, Canada 935, Australia 92 and South Africa 1,609.


Link
 
2012-06-03 08:48:24 PM  
182 posts and no Epic why guy? Fark, I am disappoint.
 
2012-06-03 09:44:47 PM  
Cereal Fetish: 182 posts and no Epic why guy? Fark, I am disappoint.

No need. We've had FARK's greatest white knight telling us how we're all racists for laughing at this.
 
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