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2012-06-02 09:16:27 PM
The fringe elements of the Tea Party protesting with the fringe elements of OWS? I have a bad feeling about this.
 
2012-06-02 11:36:25 PM
Why would anyone be suspicious of the world's most powerful people holding secret meetings?
 
2012-06-02 11:51:51 PM
Right is the new wrong.
 
2012-06-03 01:49:11 AM
One of the Bilderberg grand pooh-bahs allegedly brags that the Euro was their brain-child. It's like bragging about a really ugly kid - you wouldn't do it, if it wasn't yours.
 
2012-06-03 04:47:45 AM
Roll over. Go back to sleep. OWS and the Tea Party are just fringe movements. It'll all be over soon...
 
2012-06-03 04:55:29 AM
my.telegraph.co.uk

First they ignore you,

then they laugh at you,

then they fight you,

then you win
 
2012-06-03 04:59:30 AM
That seems surreal. Bilderberg? Who is that? I thought it was a made up name, like the stuff about Reverse Vampires.
 
2012-06-03 05:02:38 AM

Alphax: That seems surreal. Bilderberg? Who is that? I thought it was a made up name, like the stuff about Reverse Vampires.


According to many, this is the group that organized and executed 9-11

The level of retardation... Actually, that's unfair to those who suffer rom retardation.

The level of sheer stupidity within this group will such your IQ out of your head by just listening to them for 5 minutes
 
2012-06-03 05:07:34 AM

cman: The level of sheer stupidity within this group will such your IQ out of your head by just listening to them for 5 minutes


Put the beer down.

Go to bed.
 
2012-06-03 05:15:28 AM
There is no possible way in the entire universe that OWS and the TP can be agreeing on ANYTHING.
 
2012-06-03 05:24:25 AM
Bilderberg group meetings _always_ have protesters, and they're _always_ batshiat insane conspiracy theorists of the "Jews secretly control the world" variety, origin regardless. This is not really new.

So... yeah, I would like to congratulate all the people that never heard of them for their skill at avoiding one of the more annoying branches of conspiracy theory, and offer my condolences that you are now aware that it's a real thing that people actually believe. Don't worry, if you buy enough puppies for smiling little children I'm sure you can restore at least a bit of your faith in humanity.

Lionel Mandrake: Why would anyone be suspicious of the world's most powerful people holding secret meetings?


Yes, a sinister meeting so incredibly secretive that the meeting agendas and minutes are posted online, and the locations are publicly posted a year in advance so that protesters can conveniently organize with months and months of notice every year.

Indeed, this organization is such a dark, well-kept secret society that googling them and clicking "I'm feeling lucky" only takes you to their official website where basically everything about them is publicly accessible. It's like they don't even exist in the eyes of the media ('cause of the conspiring). Truly all the obvious markings of an evil shadow government, open your eyes, sheeple!
 
2012-06-03 05:24:31 AM
Privacy for me, but not for thee? Given one of the attendees later advocated the forced removal of anonymity, it seems like the people that attend these meetings

Wonder what would happen if the law enforcement cooperated long enough to attract them there, then performed a complete 180 by raiding the place and considering everyone inside as armed terrorists? That is, having the law enforcement use the event as a roach motel - all come in, none come out free or alive. That would be quite the masterwork to pull off - where the privacy of the event is its own downfall, and the private security ends up becoming decoration for the venue in a non-survivable way.

Repeat enough times, and such organizations might reconsider their secluded nature.
 
2012-06-03 05:28:04 AM

Lionel Mandrake: Why would anyone be suspicious of the world's most powerful people holding secret meetings?


Who are any of us kidding? If we were invited we'd totally go.
 
2012-06-03 05:28:09 AM

sethstorm: Repeat enough times, and such organizations might reconsider their secluded nature.


Yeah, I know, it's a shame how there's no way for the public to find out who is in the meeting, and that it's impossible to know what they're talking about.

zOMG so secluded and secret.
 
2012-06-03 05:33:06 AM
I think it's really silly to take the conspiratorial view where people go "OMGTHEWORLD'SMOSTPOWERFULPEOPLEEVERYTHINGISDECIDEDHERE!!!11" but it's completely legitimate to protest it. Some shady shiat has gone down there in the past. It's not like the members have to meet all at once in person anymore, but the meeting itself is still very secretive and dishonest.
 
2012-06-03 05:42:01 AM

Jim_Callahan: Yes, a sinister meeting so incredibly secretive that the meeting agendas and minutes are posted online, and the locations are publicly posted a year in advance so that protesters can conveniently organize with months and months of notice every year.


The problem is that they're probably more paranoid about secrecy than the protesters are about conspiracy theory.

I can't see any good reason for them to go "off-the-record" in that way - if the participants have that much impact on others. Even the most paranoid businesses wouldn't go that far for the extra security turning itself to a liability. Think about the whole balance between security and usability and that's what I'm thinking about here.

Shame that no law enforcement body has the guts to give out an "Order 66" to the LEO's protecting the meetings, if only to have fun at the expense of the mercenaries and attendees. At least it'd get rid of the protesters, knowing that there was no way the meetings could continue.
 
2012-06-03 05:47:45 AM

sethstorm: The problem is that they're probably more paranoid about secrecy than the protesters are about conspiracy theory.


Dude, they post the meeting agendas, locations, and who is at the meeting on a public website. Not letting any random dipshiat walk into your private focus group meeting is not the same as being secretive. I've sat on focus groups for public nonprofits and we never let random dipshiats wander in off the street to disrupt the meetings either.

Hell, I've had water-cooler conversations with co-workers that were more sinister and shadowy than this.
 
2012-06-03 05:54:44 AM
i14.photobucket.com


The Queen, the Vatican, the Gettys, the Rothschilds, AND Colonel Sanders before he went tets-up.
 
2012-06-03 05:57:32 AM
You can read this headline:
You know you're doing something right when the Tea Party and OWS join forces to protest you

Like this:
You know you're doing something wrong when the Tea Party and OWS join forces to protest you

...depending on who "you" is. So I opened up the page, saw it was a Bilderberg conspiracy, and Bob's your uncle subby was right.
 
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2012-06-03 06:01:33 AM
"Clear skies and pleasant temperatures made for a picnic-like atmosphere as a mix of Ron Paul supporters, members of the 9/11 truth movement and a smattering of Occupy protesters gathered outside the Westfield Marriott hotel in Chantilly, Virginia where members of the Bilderberg group are meeting."


the largest financial supporter of a big Ron Paul SuperPAC is Peter Thiel.

Peter Thiel is on the steering committee for the Bilderberg Group.

no one will ever confuse Ron Paul supporters of being informed in the slightest... but that there is just lazy.
 
x23
2012-06-03 06:03:41 AM
 
2012-06-03 06:04:56 AM
Ya know, if I were part of a super secret powerful elite shadowy new world order organization, I'm pretty sure I could do better than the Westfield Marriott hotel in Chantilly, Virginia for my clandestine meetings. This whole Bilderberg thing seems fairly innocuous.

/it's probably a decoy and the real meeting is being held at the secret volcano lair, surrounded by liquid hot magma.
//tin-foil hat off
 
2012-06-03 06:48:29 AM

Jim_Callahan: sethstorm: Repeat enough times, and such organizations might reconsider their secluded nature.

Yeah, I know, it's a shame how there's no way for the public to find out who is in the meeting, and that it's impossible to know what they're talking about.

zOMG so secluded and secret.


If anyone's overly paranoid, it's the people that run the event. Disruptively paranoid at that.
 
2012-06-03 06:54:16 AM

Kittypie070: There is no possible way in the entire universe that OWS and the TP can be agreeing on ANYTHING.


Umm...yes they are

Just like most of the posters on this thread agree with Glenn Beck, Fox News, Rush Limbaugh...on this same issue.

The real story is not the TP and OWS agreeing....its all the Fark Liberals and Beck, FNC, Limbaugh, et al...agreeing on stuff like "whhaarggarbll...there's no Bilderberger.."
 
2012-06-03 06:58:18 AM

Jim_Callahan: sethstorm: Repeat enough times, and such organizations might reconsider their secluded nature.

Yeah, I know, it's a shame how there's no way for the public to find out who is in the meeting, and that it's impossible to know what they're talking about.

zOMG so secluded and secret.


Actually, for years, Bilderberg kept its meetings and membership lists a secret.

Only in recent times, under pressure from various groups (both left and right), have Bilderberg been forced to come out.

Why should our politicians and business leaders hide from people...when they will be making decision that will greatly affected people?
 
2012-06-03 07:00:02 AM

Jim_Callahan: and the locations are publicly posted a year in advance so that protesters can conveniently organize with months and months of notice every year.


They keep the location secret until about three weeks before the meeting. The protesters never have more than a month's notice.
 
2012-06-03 07:07:17 AM

UCFRoadWarrior: The real story is not the TP and OWS agreeing....its all the Fark Liberals and Beck, FNC, Limbaugh, et al...agreeing on stuff like "whhaarggarbll...there's no Bilderberger.."


Nobody suggests there's no Bilderberg group. Their clearly is a Bilderberg Group. What people suggest is that the idea that any given two human beings could conspire their way out of a wet paper bag is preposterous.

Even some of the most horrific crimes in history were not conspiracies. The Holocaust? Concentration camps were known of well in advance (referenced in Chaplin's the Great Dictator, no less) and moral Nazis, those who found murder to be a step too far in Hitler's anti-semitism, warned governments long in advance that the concentration camps were actually death camps. Adolf Eichmann was found to be complicit in part because of the orderly amounts of paperwork he kept on the deed.

As a species, we aren't capable of conspiring in anything at all very well, even when we're on the same ideological page.

Couple that with the fact that the Bilderberg Group is peopled by disparate individuals with conflicting ideologies, such as liberalism vs. conservatism, Eurocentrism vs. Amerocentrism, etc., etc. and you realize that the fact that these people can even agree on what five entrees to have on the lunch menu is probably a bonafide Biblical miracle.
 
2012-06-03 07:19:37 AM
images.wikia.com
"Don't believe me? It's all in the numbers. For a hundred years, there's been a conspiracy of plutocrats against ordinary people."

"Do you have a single fact to back that up?"

"Number one: In 1945, corporations paid 50 percent of federal taxes. Now they pay about 5 percent.
Number two: in 1900, 90 percent of Americans were self-employed; now it's about two percent."
 
2012-06-03 07:22:25 AM

wedun: [images.wikia.com image 459x795]
"Don't believe me? It's all in the numbers. For a hundred years, there's been a conspiracy of plutocrats against ordinary people."

"Do you have a single fact to back that up?"

"Number one: In 1945, corporations paid 50 percent of federal taxes. Now they pay about 5 percent.
Number two: in 1900, 90 percent of Americans were self-employed; now it's about two percent."


I guess I never did get deep enough into that game to see that. Had some frame rate issues at the time.
 
2012-06-03 07:34:21 AM

Dr. Mojo PhD: Nobody suggests there's no Bilderberg group. Their clearly is a Bilderberg Group. What people suggest is that the idea that any given two human beings could conspire their way out of a wet paper bag is preposterous.


I'm not saying the Bilderberg group is the Illuminati. But I do know people conspire to do sh*t all the time. When they do it, they don't really think of it as "conspiring" though. To them, it's just coming to an agreement to do something, and then not telling anyone else about the agreement. It's why we need, among other things, the Antitrust Division at DOJ.

That basic definition of "conspiracy" isn't really what people have in mind, though, when they think of "conspiracy theories." I don't think there's a massive conspiracy of world leaders to run the world. But the idea that people aren't capable of conspiracy takes it too far.
 
2012-06-03 07:47:26 AM

bugontherug: Dr. Mojo PhD: Nobody suggests there's no Bilderberg group. Their clearly is a Bilderberg Group. What people suggest is that the idea that any given two human beings could conspire their way out of a wet paper bag is preposterous.

That basic definition of "conspiracy" isn't really what people have in mind, though, when they think of "conspiracy theories." I don't think there's a massive conspiracy of world leaders to run the world. But the idea that people aren't capable of conspiracy takes it too far.


Grand NWO-style conspiracy? pretty silly. Collusion and figuring out how to get lower taxes for billionaires? seems reasonable enough.
 
2012-06-03 07:49:14 AM

Dr. Mojo PhD: UCFRoadWarrior: The real story is not the TP and OWS agreeing....its all the Fark Liberals and Beck, FNC, Limbaugh, et al...agreeing on stuff like "whhaarggarbll...there's no Bilderberger.."

Nobody suggests there's no Bilderberg group. Their clearly is a Bilderberg Group. What people suggest is that the idea that any given two human beings could conspire their way out of a wet paper bag is preposterous.

Even some of the most horrific crimes in history were not conspiracies. The Holocaust? Concentration camps were known of well in advance (referenced in Chaplin's the Great Dictator, no less) and moral Nazis, those who found murder to be a step too far in Hitler's anti-semitism, warned governments long in advance that the concentration camps were actually death camps. Adolf Eichmann was found to be complicit in part because of the orderly amounts of paperwork he kept on the deed.

As a species, we aren't capable of conspiring in anything at all very well, even when we're on the same ideological page.

Couple that with the fact that the Bilderberg Group is peopled by disparate individuals with conflicting ideologies, such as liberalism vs. conservatism, Eurocentrism vs. Amerocentrism, etc., etc. and you realize that the fact that these people can even agree on what five entrees to have on the lunch menu is probably a bonafide Biblical miracle.


Yes, I have noticed the disparity in political ideologies of the Bilderbergers. Heck, this is the same group that has invited GHW Bush and Barack Obama over the years.

And, no secret about some of the biggest crimes and tragedies were already known and covered up for the longest time. Look at Walter Duranty and the New York Times covering up for Joseph Stalin's genocide of 7 million Ukrainians in the late 1920's-early 1930's?

Probably the most troubling aspect of the Bilderbergers is that they wish to continue the already-failed regionalization and globalization of the planet. The failure of the EU and the Euro currency is more than evidence enough that the Bilderbergers plans and ideas are just bad
 
2012-06-03 07:51:23 AM

John Henry Eden: First they ignore you,

then they laugh at you,

then they fight you,

then you win


Most protest movements don't get past stage 1. Those that do get large enough to get noticed never get past the part where those in power openly mock you. Of the very few that reach critical mass and turn violent the vast majority of those are crushed under the boot of those in power. But yes, you keep on fighting, 1 in a million movements actually get something done.
 
2012-06-03 07:55:35 AM

cman: The fringe elements of the Tea Party protesting with the fringe elements of OWS? I have a bad feeling about this.


Some of us are armed...this time. Next time we'll have strongly-written letters.

WHAR drum circle WHAR
 
2012-06-03 07:57:30 AM
If I had a few bucks to spare, I would open a restaurant.

I'd call it Bild-A-Burger.

I'd just sell people the leftovers after my friends and I had finished eating.
 
2012-06-03 07:57:37 AM
Boost for Bilderberg!

Boost for Bilderberg!
 
2012-06-03 08:06:10 AM
Is the protesting entirely about paranoid conspiracy theories of things allegedly done in secret?

The Bilderberg Group is a group of extremely powerful people who get together to discuss things. Which they have every right to do. It might even be a good thing. On the other hand, they are not an elected body and they are responsible to no one. If they agree to do certain things based on their talks and associations, they are using their personal power and answer to no one for their actions except other members of the group.

Is it conceivable that some people might dislike, even protest, such a group, without being strictly crackpot tinfoil weirdos who can't distinguish reality from paranoia?

If a US president holds talks with the titans of a particular industry, and holds the meeting in private, releasing only minutes after the meeting, is it possible that some people might object to that?

Cheney meeting with energy industry officials in 2000, for the one side of the fence.
Obama meeting with solar energy industry officials, for the other side of the fence.
 
2012-06-03 08:25:55 AM

Jim_Callahan: Dude, they post the meeting agendas, locations, and who is at the meeting on a public website.


You believe that's the real list? I want to see the long-form agenda.
 
2012-06-03 09:14:38 AM

Kibbler: Is it conceivable that some people might dislike, even protest, such a group, without being strictly crackpot tinfoil weirdos who can't distinguish reality from paranoia?


what is it that they are protesting?

that they are powerful people?
that they are discussing things?

sure, it is possible that people dislike powerful people and want to whine and protest. but at least the crackpots have a reason - they have a crackpot idea about the group (The Trilateral Commission!). Protesting because you don't like the group is just childish.
 
2012-06-03 09:17:47 AM
If they would just change their name to the Build-A-Bear Group, all the conspiracy theorists would see that they mean no harm and are, in fact, very cuddly.
 
2012-06-03 09:17:52 AM
FTFA A Virginia resident since 1973, Miroy said: "If Virginia seceded tonight I'd be back here tomorrow with a gray uniform on."

yourenothelping.jpg
 
2012-06-03 09:26:50 AM

tenpoundsofcheese: sure, it is possible that people dislike powerful people and want to whine and protest. but at least the crackpots have a reason - they have a crackpot idea about the group (The Trilateral Commission!)


Strange Moments in History, brought to you by Fark.com:

3 June 2012, Mojo reads a statement by tenpoundsofcheese and basically agrees with the sentiment.

Of course:

tenpoundsofcheese: Protesting because you don't like the group is just childish.


That is probably going to far. Protesting because you don't like a group is pretty legitimate if they're, say, Illinois Nazis.
 
2012-06-03 09:59:59 AM
cman * * Smartest * * Funniest * [ ] Smartest [ ] Funniest 2012-06-02 09:16:27 PM The fringe elements of the Tea Party protesting with the fringe elements of OWS? I have a bad feeling about this.
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Fringe elements of movements that are already the fringe? That must be pretty fringey!
 
2012-06-03 10:06:17 AM
This is what needs to happen. Divided, they'll never get anywhere. Unite, smash the system, then fight over the pieces.
 
2012-06-03 11:27:15 AM
I work in the convention business, so I get to meet a lot of the high-powered business and political folks.

The thing you have to remember when you get a lot of these guys in the same room for a meeting?

Most of them don't really like each other, and only cooperate as minimally as possible. We try to keep them separated until right before they go on stage.

Sure, they'll go to something like this, and make nice noises about one thing or another, but then they'll go back to their corporate headquarters and do whatever they damned well feel like doing.

/you get to hear some interesting conversations at the open bar, though
 
2012-06-03 11:47:14 AM
Remember, there are two sides in American politics.

It's just that now people are realizing it's the Rich versus everybody else.
 
2012-06-03 12:15:27 PM

Alphax: I guess I never did get deep enough into that game to see that. Had some frame rate issues at the time.


That's from the first level; you have to assault the bad guys on Liberty Island (which, oddly enough is also where your agency's HQ is located). Once you reach the top level, that guy's there. It's about 20 minutes into the game.

/while the gameplay mechanics haven't aged well, and there's some parts (see Hong Kong) where the voice acting was abysmal, the overall game was quite excellent.
//own DX2 and DX3, but haven't played them yet.
///maybe after I finish the Mass Effect series for the fifth time
////ME is like crack.
 
2012-06-03 12:22:08 PM
Looks like we are seeing some wrap-around.
 
2012-06-03 12:23:31 PM

heypete: Alphax: I guess I never did get deep enough into that game to see that. Had some frame rate issues at the time.

That's from the first level; you have to assault the bad guys on Liberty Island (which, oddly enough is also where your agency's HQ is located). Once you reach the top level, that guy's there. It's about 20 minutes into the game.

/while the gameplay mechanics haven't aged well, and there's some parts (see Hong Kong) where the voice acting was abysmal, the overall game was quite excellent.
//own DX2 and DX3, but haven't played them yet.
///maybe after I finish the Mass Effect series for the fifth time
////ME is like crack.


Okay.. I sorta remember that setting.. just not what they talked about.
 
2012-06-03 12:29:09 PM

Kittypie070: There is no possible way in the entire universe that OWS and the TP can be agreeing on ANYTHING.


You'd think that, or promote thinking that if you wanted to defend the status quo, but it's not entirely true.

There's also this;

img2.imagesbn.com
 
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