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(Christian Science Monitor)   New radio-transmission analysis provides credible evidence that Amelia Earhart landed on small Pacific atoll and survived for some time, subsisting on mollusks, fish and makeup   ( divider line
    More: Followup, Amelia Earhart, Pacific, US Coast Guard, atolls, Fred Noonan, pocketknife, transmissions, radio signals  
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2012-06-03 12:54:09 AM  
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I read about this not too long ago and followed up by going to the historic aircraft recovery website and reading up on several of their expeditions to the atoll.

There were human bones discovered there by the government which owns the island, shortly after the British established their last colony there. The colony lasted only a short time, the islanders being moved to another island due to drought. The bones were turned over to an archeological museum and told to hang onto them until further notice, since no one knew whose they were.

Shortly after, the record of the bones ends -- with no paper trail to find out what happened to them. A later explorer found 13 bits of human bone which were taken back for analysis and confirmed to be those of a human male. Whose they are is undetermined as no one has located any of Fred's surviving family line to compare DNA. Plus, the extraction process used up all of the samples and the DNA extracted is that only carried by the mother.

Papers record a mean temperature of about 130-F during an expedition there recently -- and there are no sources of fresh water. Don't know if Amelia or Fred knew about solar stills nor if they took advantage of the mass of machinery in the aircraft before it was washed away.

Digs at the remains of the colony have discovered some brass and copper fittings which might have come from an aircraft but tests are pending.

The island itself is a miserable little place, shaped kind of like Bikini Atoll, only more elongated. The reports hint that both Fred and Amelia survived -- but apparently not for more than a year because the colony was established a year and a half after they vanished.

Cause of death would be unknown, because while the island is a nasty place, it was considered good enough to colonize, meaning it had ample water supplies for a group of natives. Rain water. The subsequent drought -- which happened AFTER the colony was created -- drove them off.

Images of the place show a lot of coconuts and coconut trees. Those accompanied with rainwater and seafood would have kept them alive for quite some time. However, not even the remains of a temporary structure has been found. Just those of the colony.

If she landed on the reef and the plane stayed intact, that would have been a remarkable feat. Especially since they feel she ran the engines to power up the battery for the radio. That means, at least one had to be intact. (Most propeller driven aircraft with twin engines have 1 which powers a generator for the battery. -- I jump started a twin engine Beachcraft years ago from my Isuzu Pup truck.)

I would have assumed if one had died first, the other would have buried the body. So far, no graves have been found. It would, I expect, be shallow.

However, the search for them seems to have been riddled with errors. Her aircraft, made of shiny aluminum, would have been spotted from the air if searchers had looked in that direction. After it washed away, with the technology of the time, they could have been easily missed. Plus, the discovery of the bones were initially never reported to the US, even though it was well known that Amelia had vanished in that general vicinity.

By the time the US found out, the bones had been lost.

To my knowledge, the island was never inhabited during WW2 by either friend or foe. The Coast Guard established a base there for a period of time but closed it in less than a year.

I look forward to the results of the next expedition.
2012-06-02 11:55:09 PM  
2 votes:
All we really know is that she died doing what she loved.

Slowly staring to death on a deserted island while drinking her own urine.
2012-06-02 11:29:34 PM  
2 votes:

Exception Collection: OK, so they were on the atoll. Where are their bodies?

These little beasties are natives of the atoll

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2012-06-02 11:08:50 PM  
2 votes:

Exception Collection: OK, so they were on the atoll. Where are their bodies?

Crabs will eat damn near everything. Including the corpses of stranded pilots.
2012-06-02 10:59:50 PM  
2 votes:
This is what happens when you let the woman drive.

You'll find she eventually died of starvation. Noonan, was nagged to death.
2012-06-02 10:58:59 PM  
2 votes:
Was this before or after she hid in the attic from the nazis?
2012-06-03 05:36:48 AM  
1 vote:
The best thing about a coconut crab is that their tail looks like a hamburger with a sesame seed bun.

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2012-06-03 04:27:08 AM  
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2012-06-03 02:17:29 AM  
1 vote:
A man and a woman stranded on a 'desert island' ...... anyone think they spent their time farking?
2012-06-03 01:56:20 AM  
1 vote:
It's the escargot-cultists, I tells ya!
2012-06-03 01:29:43 AM  
1 vote:

Rik01: Her aircraft, made of shiny aluminum

I think some preliminary sonar surveys might find the general area, but once they find something, and as long as it isn't too encrusted with coral, it should be pretty intact.

This is a B-25J at Kwajalein Atoll, sunk after WWII. Notice how shiny it still is. It rests around 120 feet and I'm shooting from about 80 feet. If her plane was made of the same materials, and the visibility is good, then it should be easily spotted by divers.

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2012-06-03 01:23:22 AM  
1 vote:
It's been a pretty long time, so I wouldn't be surprised if sh wasn't alive anymore.

Just sayin
2012-06-03 01:17:33 AM  
1 vote:

AkaranD: What. The. Fark. Is. THAT?

It's damn tasty.

The abdomen of the coconut crab is mostly fat and coconut oil. After roasting that beast in the fire, you split the abdomen, pull out the intestine and dip the meat in the "sauce." Their primary diet at that side is coconut meat. It's not likely that they ate the bodies.

Inhalien: There is no fresh water there, they would have had to dig for it.

If you have coconuts, you have plenty of water. Average young coconut has about 16-20 oz of coconut water in it, and it's loaded with electrolytes, vitamin C and other things that will keep you alive. The coconut water is sterile also the same pH and electrolyte balance as human blood and was used as a plasma substitute in WWII.

If the coconut supply on the island is plentiful enough for two people, then they could have survived on that. Of course, her and Noonan would have to be aware of that to take advantage of it, and know how to open a coconut without losing the water.
2012-06-03 12:59:55 AM  
1 vote:
All I know is that she had one hell of an ass. If you don't believe me, go visit her at the Smithsonian.
2012-06-03 12:12:59 AM  
1 vote:

ktybear: Exception Collection: OK, so they were on the atoll. Where are their bodies?

These little beasties are natives of the atoll

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What. The. Fark. Is. THAT?
2012-06-02 11:54:33 PM  
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2012-06-02 11:33:13 PM  
1 vote:
That has to suck. According to the theory in the article they could only run the engine when it was above they were sitting in (or on) the plane as the tide can in and out knowing they were toast. Ugh.

That's not the hollywood ending everyone wanted. That would have been how castaway had ended, if it was a documentary - except it would have been shorter.
2012-06-02 11:22:27 PM  
1 vote:
Amelia Earhart-Hellen Keller-Anne Frank trifecta all in one.
2012-06-02 11:20:36 PM  
1 vote:
They had flying kitchens back then?
2012-06-02 11:15:11 PM  
1 vote:
Oh, should have added to my comment that I've worked on an atoll that was the site of a famous WWII battle, and despite having a good knowledge of where human remains might be and the availability of accurate maps from the time that they were buried, they can still be a biatch to locate amongst the coral debris

/Getting a kick....
2012-06-02 11:12:47 PM  
1 vote:

Exception Collection: OK, so they were on the atoll. Where are their bodies?

Some human remains were found on the atoll in 1940, along with a man's shoe, a woman's shoe, and a glove IIRC. All of those artifacts were lost over the years. I'm willing to bet if they do a good sonar search around the atoll they'll find the Electra sitting on the wall somewhere.
2012-06-02 11:09:03 PM  
1 vote:
"Amelia Earhart Died on Nikumaroro Island"

That's from 2009.
2012-06-02 11:06:39 PM  
1 vote:

Yes this is dog: Dr.Zom: Was this before or after she hid in the attic from the nazis?

You're thinking of Hellen Keller.

No, Hellen Keller ran across Canada to raise awareness for Cancer Research and died before she made it.

You're thinking of Florence Nightingale.
2012-06-02 10:50:29 PM  
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cameroncrazy1984: Exception Collection: OK, so they were on the atoll. Where are their bodies?

Eaten by mollusks?

Can mollusks eat bone? (Serious question, I have no clue.)

I suppose if it's a coral atoll the coral could have grown right over them.
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