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(LA Times)   California would need a $68 billion bullet train to move all the environmental lawyers trying to stop the project   (latimes.com) divider line 18
    More: Interesting, environmental legislation, California, Madera County, California High-Speed Rail Authority, Orange County Transportation Authority, Sacramento County Superior Court, Orange County, high-speed trains  
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2012-06-02 05:27:02 PM  
3 votes:
I fully support whatever California wants to do as long as it implodes more quickly.
2012-06-02 05:35:02 PM  
2 votes:
FTFA:

Authority officials plan to start building the first 130 miles of track in the Central Valley by the end of the year. That $6-billion section, which will not be equipped to operate trains, is supposed to be finished by 2017 to avoid losing federal funds.

Umm, $6 billion and it is not equipped to operate trains? WTF are they building -- lego tracks?
2012-06-03 10:51:10 PM  
1 votes:

hasty ambush: . California ranks 3rd in on shore oil reserves in the nation but chooses not to take advantage of it . It has a lot military bases, NASA and other Federal programs. California's problem is not resources but how they run the state.


Total crap. The California's problem isn't $173.46 per capital in welfare expenditures. Consider that CA per capita income is $22,711 so welfare's share of that is 0.763 % Whoop dee doo.

More significant is welfare we pay other states, handy dandy State Outlay to Tax Ratio Rank list provided below. One notes that California gets back $0.78 of every dollar we send to DC. So we're not only paying welfare for our own citizens, but lazabouts in other states as well.

Consider the Fed's collected $313,998,874,000 from California in 2007. And then gave 22% of that to other states. roughly $69,079,752,000. Well lookie there, the Fed swipes enough money from California every year to build a high speed rail system.

Okay, now I'm mad and need a beer.

New Mexico $2.03 1
Mississippi $2.02 2
Alaska $1.84 3
Louisiana $1.78 4
West Virginia $1.76 5
North Dakota $1.68 6
Alabama $1.66 7
South Dakota $1.53 8
Kentucky $1.51 9
Virginia $1.51 10
Montana $1.47 11
Hawaii $1.44 12
Maine $1.41 13
Arkansas $1.41 14
Oklahoma $1.36 15
South Carolina $1.35 16
Missouri $1.32 17
Maryland $1.30 18
Tennessee $1.27 19
Idaho $1.21 20
Arizona $1.19 21
Kansas $1.12 22
Wyoming $1.11 23
Iowa $1.10 24
Nebraska $1.10 25
Vermont $1.08 26
North Carolina $1.08 27
Pennsylvania $1.07 28
Utah $1.07 29
Indiana $1.05 30
Ohio $1.05 31
Georgia $1.01 32
Rhode Island $1.00 33
Florida $0.97 34
Texas $0.94 35
Oregon $0.93 36
Michigan $0.92 37
Washington $0.88 38
Wisconsin $0.86 39
Massachusetts $0.82 40
Colorado $0.81 41
New York $0.79 42
California $0.78 43
Delaware $0.77 44
Illinois $0.75 45
Minnesota $0.72 46
New Hampshire $0.71 47
Connecticut $0.69 48
Nevada $0.65 49
New Jersey $0.61 50
2012-06-02 08:54:34 PM  
1 votes:
Wouldn't a hi-speed bicycle path from San Diego to Sacramento be better?

/i'd have a little cart so my dog could ride along too
2012-06-02 07:33:17 PM  
1 votes:

cirby: You do know that those "red states take in more taxes" numbers all include the money spent on the military in those states, right?



Another government welfare program needed to prop up red states.
2012-06-02 07:31:10 PM  
1 votes:
ambercricket:
Yeah, funny how the fact that California's input into the federal treasury props up the red welfare states is always conveniently ignored.

You do know that those "red states take in more taxes" numbers all include the money spent on the military in those states, right? A huge portion of that money goes right back out of those red states to the blue states that supply the military. It's "spent" in the red state, but the money lands in places like California or Washington State, for example. A lot of the "outlay" is also towards retirees - which is why they pay taxes in their expensive blue state for their whole lives, then spend the money in the red state they can afford to retire in.

They also count highway expenditures - which means that those nice big Interstate highways that are used to haul stuff from coast to coast are counted as "income" for those states - when the major beneficiaries are the blue states on the coasts.

One other caveat that's always ignored by people reading those "red states get more" stories is that is only shows where the Federal taxes are collected - not where the tax burden is originated.
2012-06-02 07:15:43 PM  
1 votes:

crotchgrabber: Man, I love the California hate threads.


Yeah, funny how the fact that California's input into the federal treasury props up the red welfare states is always conveniently ignored. Honestly, I really wish California would say "fark you" to the other 49 states and leave. Get your welfare payments from someplace else.

Oh and by the way, I detest the bullet train idea and am not a conservative.
2012-06-02 07:13:37 PM  
1 votes:

Gdalescrboz: Texas seems to be doing something right


Actually it doesn't seem to be doing much of anything right. Unless you happen to like minimum wage jobs.
2012-06-02 06:48:50 PM  
1 votes:
Bullet trains are not bad but this plan was. That is the big difference. People were told a whole lot of BS so that they would vote for it. And then as more and more reports of all the bad numbers they used to sell it came out people got angry for being lied too. I have zero problems with high-speed rail. I have lots of problems for projects that lie their ass off in order to get it approved. And then drop the "oops we may have made a mistake so we need lots more money to continue working" line. And also maybe we should probably figure out how to get a train to go from LA to San Fransisco first.
2012-06-02 06:34:06 PM  
1 votes:

beta_plus: /I love it when the left self destructs


Please explain how high speed rail is a left vs right issue.
2012-06-02 06:00:48 PM  
1 votes:
This just reinforces what I have said for years. Environmental study and reporting requirements are non-value added fluff. The only purpose they ever serve is a as a mechanism for someone with ax to grind to derail construction projects. Its ironic that now such suits are being used to stop something that on balance would probably benefit the environment by reducing car miles traveled. The farmers have caught on to the enviro-weenies tactics.
2012-06-02 06:00:40 PM  
1 votes:

Ed Willy: Also, $68 billion estimate is off, it is actually closer to $100 billion.


By the time it's actually built and running, $225 billion, easy.

/not from california
//don't want to BE from california
///typical huge govt program
2012-06-02 05:53:34 PM  
1 votes:

MemeSlave: I fully support whatever California wants to do as long as it implodes more quickly.


You know, California would be a wonderful place if only everything to the left of the San Andreas Fault simply fell into the ocean. And think of the SyFy Movie we would get out of it. What I like to call a Win Win Situation.
2012-06-02 05:43:24 PM  
1 votes:
46 million dollars a mile? What could possibly cause any type of transportation to cost over 9k a foot? Even in a state as ridiculous as California, this seems incomprehensible.
2012-06-02 05:41:45 PM  
1 votes:
Ah, environmental lawyers, California's most abundant natural resource second only to bureaucrats.
2012-06-02 05:37:42 PM  
1 votes:

0MGWTFBBQ: FTFA:

Authority officials plan to start building the first 130 miles of track in the Central Valley by the end of the year. That $6-billion section, which will not be equipped to operate trains, is supposed to be finished by 2017 to avoid losing federal funds.

Umm, $6 billion and it is not equipped to operate trains? WTF are they building -- lego tracks?


I also questioned what exactly that means.
2012-06-02 05:30:05 PM  
1 votes:

MemeSlave: I fully support whatever California wants to do as long as it implodes more quickly.


On behalf of my fellow Californians, I'd like to thank the economy for giving non-Californians another joke besides "waiting for the Big One so California will fall into the ocean."

That said, despite my total support for rail, CA high speed rail is a clusterfark in the making. The project's only selling point is getting you out of Fresno quickly.
2012-06-02 05:08:00 PM  
1 votes:
Nice. Central Valley farmers...

If you've driven I-5 lately, you'll notice that since Republicans took the House, the signs changed from "Stop the C0ngress Created Dustbowl" to "Stop the Dem0crat Created Dustbowl."


So yeah,... Central Valley farmers are dumber than Snooki after huffing paint.
 
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