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2012-06-02 05:50:58 PM
8 votes:
Uh it's not racism if 92.5 of the school is black. I hear black people calling each other n**ger all the time and yet that's "OK". Black people need to GET OVER IT and quit playing the race card to get their way all the time. I'm glad they were kicked out.
2012-06-02 06:17:00 PM
4 votes:
Meh. Some snowflakes are black.
2012-06-02 06:03:06 PM
4 votes:

camaroash: Can't someone of any race be nappy-headed?


yup.



Back when i was in high school (oh, about 20 yrs ago) a teacher once did tell a student to "sit his black ass down"... and do you know what?

He did. End of story.
2012-06-02 05:57:42 PM
4 votes:

Ed Willy: LtDarkstar: Uh it's not racism if 92.5 of the school is black. I hear black people calling each other n**ger all the time and yet that's "OK". Black people need to GET OVER IT and quit playing the race card to get their way all the time. I'm glad they were kicked out.

""Sit your nappy-headed self down."

This was the comment that Brea Persley, a 13-year-old student at Century Academy For Excellence in Inglewood, Calif., received from teacher Kelly Dempsey"

" KTLA footage of the school indicates that Dempsey is a white woman."

Clearly someone didn't do the reading assignment.


Eh...."KTLA footage" isn't, by any means, reliable confirmation of the teacher's race. This sounds a LOT like the mother decided "I'm gonna go to the media 'cause I'm pissed," station says "oh hell yea this should be good why should we bother fact checking or getting an opposing point of view," soon to be followed by a "oh crap" from the station when the school lays the factual smackdown on them.
2012-06-02 05:52:08 PM
4 votes:
Not enough info but I guess...

/kid is trouble student
/teacher has finally had enough one day and comments
/Mom goes full on "crazy" at the meeting
/principal decides it is best to end the school/student relationship
2012-06-02 06:29:09 PM
3 votes:

lithappens: A few of the African-American students on my campus call half the actions of any white teacher racist. And if you question them at all, you get an angry call from their parents saying that their child is being bullied by teachers. All we can really do is ignore them and move on.

Although that, too, has been called a racist move.


Is there even a point in trying, anymore?
2012-06-02 06:28:24 PM
3 votes:
A few of the African-American students on my campus call half the actions of any white teacher racist. And if you question them at all, you get an angry call from their parents saying that their child is being bullied by teachers. All we can really do is ignore them and move on.

Although that, too, has been called a racist move.
2012-06-02 06:13:44 PM
3 votes:

eraser8: Kyndig: By the same token, I had an african american basketball coach who regularly used the term "pasty white asses" in his "motivational" shouting. Nobody gave a damn.

Why doesn't anyone here seem to get the fact that the issue here isn't that the teacher is white and the student is black?

That may be why the news station latched on to the story -- but it doesn't seem to me the issue between the family and the school.

The issue is a teacher insulted a student.

I get that people get frustrated. But, if you're a professional, you deal with it without lashing out at a child.


I agree with you there, to a certain degree. At the same time, though, there were clearly issues other than what's being brought up in the article. And it's not the commenters here making it about race, it's the article itself.
2012-06-02 06:13:28 PM
3 votes:
Let's see. Black principal takes side of white teacher vs black student. I'm wondering if the teacher really said what was alleged.
2012-06-02 06:00:42 PM
3 votes:
What a dumb story. First of all, the child is a troublemaker. Second, the comment wasn't racist. Third, the mom overreacted and deserves to deal with the fallout of what she's now done to her problem child.

Good riddance. Maybe the children can learn something now.
2012-06-02 05:59:10 PM
3 votes:
Black teacher in almost entirely black school uses a black reference in regard to a black student and the black principal has no problem with it. Actually no one but a sandy vagina'd parent looking for any reason to deflect blame away from their disruptive bully of a student has a problem with it.

No news story here. At all.
2012-06-02 08:57:07 PM
2 votes:

Kyndig: Shoop008: MattyFridays: That said, with no absolute confirmation of the teacher's ethnicity, I'm going to leave the comment alone. I'm going to guess the student was prone to acting out. I take these stories always at face value, because of helicopter parents who think their child can do no wrong.

The teacher is white, you can see her in the video. The principal is black and is the one that kicked the girl out of the school. Doesn't seem like any of the other 92% black students had a problem with what the teacher said.

You see someone the news station identifies as the teacher. They're not necessarily correct.

Even if they are, again, we're not hearing nearly the whole story here.


Why yes, we're not. Here's the remainder the full story from KTLA:

In a letter to Williams, the school said her daughter was banned "due to the fact that you scolded the principal."

Brea's family said she did get into a fight on campus and has been cited for tardiness and gum chewing.


Clearly, the child is an incipient terrorist and the mom is a street whore of the worst order and both of them should be kicked back to the gutter whence they came.

Oh, and it doesn't matter that the school is "92% black and none of the other students had a problem with" the racist slur. A TEACHER should not be saying things like this to a CHILD. Period. Should a special ed teacher be given an OK to tell a mentally challenged child to sit it's retard potato-counting self down if the rest of the school is 92% handicapped and none of the other students mind?
2012-06-02 07:43:49 PM
2 votes:
My Mother, who is from the UK, refers to diapers as 'nappies'

Sooo...
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Nappy-head?
2012-06-02 06:52:32 PM
2 votes:

The_Gallant_Gallstone: I'm guessing then, when you're not busy talking down to your internet superiors, that you are busy working to end the decentralized process of educational funding in this nation that is responsible for such galling inequalities.


I taught a remedial math class to get students who slipped through the cracks back on track to graduation for three years in an inner-city district that wasn't paying me, dipshiat. What have you been doing to help?
2012-06-02 06:26:23 PM
2 votes:

fracas: In which we ascertain the depth of the pockets of the Century Academy For Excellence.


Given that it's a "charter" school where the vast majority of the students are eligible for the federal lunch assistance program, I would venture that "charter" is in this case a code word for "remedial" rather than "gifted". Though that doesn't really synch with the mother helicoptering this hard, so who knows, maybe it's a normal school where the other districts send their "too poor for their tax money to help our district" kids. Either way I'm guessing not really a lot of money to be regained from civil action there.

Regarding the actual article, I'm somewhat torn between "yay, someone's holding douchebag parents responsible for harassing administrators, hooray for private/semiprivate schools" and "aw, the kid had a minor altercation with a teacher, the parent overreacted, and the school punishes the child? That's some bullshiat right there." You can probably tell I've done a good bit of teaching by how my experience causes the parent to be the villain in both interpretations.

//I actually agree that the teacher insulting the student, even mildly, is unprofessional and merits a rebuke. Which, to be fair, probably happens. In fact, she was probably rebuked twice: once for being unprofessional, and again for bringing the asshole mother down on her boss.
//So basically the only person I feel sympathy with here is the kid: the teacher lacks control, the parent is a confrontational jackass (it actually takes a lot of dickery to make a school district lash out like that) and the principal needs to learn to not take the bait and just file restraining orders against parents that overdo the helicopter if they won't back off.
2012-06-02 06:22:09 PM
2 votes:

eraser8: Kyndig: By the same token, I had an african american basketball coach who regularly used the term "pasty white asses" in his "motivational" shouting. Nobody gave a damn.

Why doesn't anyone here seem to get the fact that the issue here isn't that the teacher is white and the student is black?

That may be why the news station latched on to the story -- but it doesn't seem to me the issue between the family and the school.

The issue is a teacher insulted a student.

I get that people get frustrated. But, if you're a professional, you deal with it without lashing out at a child.


Professionals lash out sometimes, especially if you jam one into a situation where everything is a shiatshow and there is little you can do about it. Most people lash out a tiny bit, and honestly, this seems like a small blip in comparison to the stuff I've seen at our offices during mergers and things like that. Hell the most calm, helpful person I knew took a box and threw it over the wall of his cube and started screaming after like 3 weeks of hell when the computer decided to shiat itself for like 200th time.

He still works there because they understood and are working to develop his stress management skills and how to identify when he needs additional assitance
2012-06-02 06:19:41 PM
2 votes:
Won't someone think of the poor little girl? That teacher has destroyed her peer group interface dynamics. Now the little girl will suffer low self esteem and be scarred for the rest of her life.This will be a lasting psychological injury .
Perhaps several million dollars will soothe the child's mom from suffering or trauma.
2012-06-02 06:10:56 PM
2 votes:

Kyndig: By the same token, I had an african american basketball coach who regularly used the term "pasty white asses" in his "motivational" shouting. Nobody gave a damn.


Why doesn't anyone here seem to get the fact that the issue here isn't that the teacher is white and the student is black?

That may be why the news station latched on to the story -- but it doesn't seem to me the issue between the family and the school.

The issue is a teacher insulted a student.

I get that people get frustrated. But, if you're a professional, you deal with it without lashing out at a child.
2012-06-02 06:02:09 PM
2 votes:
My sixth-grade teacher once called me a "white devil".

Where's my parade?
2012-06-02 05:59:39 PM
2 votes:
You mean to tell me there are consequences for acting like an asshole in school? GTFO
2012-06-02 05:59:34 PM
2 votes:
FTFA: Giselle Edman, who is African-American, shifted the blame onto Persley, saying, "Bad things need to happen to mean kids."

Reminds me of when I was a tutor for underprivileged kids.

Some kids would tease others for being slow, not understanding one concept or another. How did the teachers respond? Not by scolding the children and telling them they were wrong to make fun of people trying to learn; the teachers would actually tell the mean kids thing like, "well, you're dumb, too" or "you can hardly read."

Made me want to punch those teachers right in the neck.

The truth is most of the kids weren't dumb. It's just that nobody had ever taken an interest in them, nobody had ever really cared about whether the kids really understood the concepts that were being taught. But, if you took a few minutes, you'd see that the kids quickly "got" the point, were able to answer questions correctly and were able to apply the principles to new problems.

Of course, the really depressing part was the whole tutoring thing was like the labor of Sisyphus. You'd get the kids excited about learning one day...but, the next time you'd come back, they'd be lethargic and hopeless and had forgotten everything you'd taught them a few days before.

*sigh*
2012-06-02 05:59:13 PM
2 votes:

Shoop008: MattyFridays: That said, with no absolute confirmation of the teacher's ethnicity, I'm going to leave the comment alone. I'm going to guess the student was prone to acting out. I take these stories always at face value, because of helicopter parents who think their child can do no wrong.

The teacher is white, you can see her in the video. The principal is black and is the one that kicked the girl out of the school. Doesn't seem like any of the other 92% black students had a problem with what the teacher said.


You see someone the news station identifies as the teacher. They're not necessarily correct.

Even if they are, again, we're not hearing nearly the whole story here.
2012-06-02 05:55:26 PM
2 votes:

MattyFridays: That said, with no absolute confirmation of the teacher's ethnicity, I'm going to leave the comment alone. I'm going to guess the student was prone to acting out. I take these stories always at face value, because of helicopter parents who think their child can do no wrong.


The teacher is white, you can see her in the video. The principal is black and is the one that kicked the girl out of the school. Doesn't seem like any of the other 92% black students had a problem with what the teacher said.
2012-06-02 05:53:34 PM
2 votes:
FTFA: According to Williams, principal Giselle Edman, who is African-American, shifted the blame onto Persley, saying, "Bad things need to happen to mean kids."

92.5% of the school is african-american.

The article doesn't quote ANYONE besides the parent being outraged.

There's something we're not hearing here.
2012-06-02 05:52:13 PM
2 votes:

fracas: In which we ascertain the depth of the pockets of the Century Academy For Excellence.


I'm guessing it's a charter or alternative school, where kids who have already flunked out or are "not succeeding" in a standard school go.

That said, with no absolute confirmation of the teacher's ethnicity, I'm going to leave the comment alone. I'm going to guess the student was prone to acting out. I take these stories always at face value, because of helicopter parents who think their child can do no wrong.

Not saying the school is completely blame-free either, but I'd like to know if the kid was a good student or being a disruption to other kids actually learning.
2012-06-02 05:46:48 PM
2 votes:
Can't someone of any race be nappy-headed?
2012-06-03 02:37:37 AM
1 votes:
I may be a racist jerk for saying this, but if Blacks want to be respected as contributing members of society, why do so many of them act like antisocial jerk wads who only care about themselves? Sure, plenty of whites act this way too, but since moving to Atlanta, I have only met maybe 3 black people who are not farking sociopaths. I don't want to believe that sociopathy is a genetic condition, but I have yet to find overwhelming evidence that it isn't within the "African" American community.
2012-06-02 09:07:56 PM
1 votes:

Kenny B: Damn Honkeys!

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I'm sure you know, but "cracker" is a descriptive term for late 19th- and early 20th-century ranchers in Florida and Georgia, who were generally white. The name refers to the sound of the whips they used to drive their cattle. Only very recently was it used as a pejorative. There are actually historical groups who take quite a bit of pride in the "cracker" label.
2012-06-02 07:57:32 PM
1 votes:

imprimere: rebelyell2006: imprimere: rebelyell2006: Amos Quito: "Brea" is Spanish for "tar"

"Brea" is a diminutive form of "Breanna", which is an alternative form of "Brianna". Brianna is a Celtic name. But don't let facts get in the way of your racist circle-jerk.

Yes, I'm sure they were going for clever nod to their Celtic ancestry. Not that they were considering the funny Spanish translation either.

So black people aren't allowed to use European names?

So, you're trolling or you are just an idiot. Declare!


Neither. I lack the bigotry to imagine that black people would name their children 'Tar', while quite a few Farkers here can't seem to wrap their minds around black people using Celtic names.
2012-06-02 07:33:11 PM
1 votes:
Context makes a huge difference. Were the girl the only one in the class room that wasn't white, that would be a very different matter. And it's a good bet that the student is an attention seeker that acts out a lot. It might be a stretch, but I'd also guess that the student's antics involved referring to herself as nappy-headed.
2012-06-02 07:27:21 PM
1 votes:
Unbelieveable! I think the teacher should be, at least, severely reprimanded. That is a slur, and it should be dealt with as such. Personally, I don't think she should be a teacher.
2012-06-02 06:53:25 PM
1 votes:

rebelyell2006: Amos Quito: "Brea" is Spanish for "tar"

"Brea" is a diminutive form of "Breanna", which is an alternative form of "Brianna". Brianna is a Celtic name. But don't let facts get in the way of your racist circle-jerk.


It's also Spanish for tar.
2012-06-02 06:52:15 PM
1 votes:

rebelyell2006: Amos Quito: "Brea" is Spanish for "tar"

"Brea" is a diminutive form of "Breanna", which is an alternative form of "Brianna". Brianna is a Celtic name. But don't let facts get in the way of your racist circle-jerk.


Or somebody was making a random snarky comment and you're an oversensitive douchebag with no place on Fark. Either way.
2012-06-02 06:49:26 PM
1 votes:

100 Watt Walrus: vegasj: Amos Quito: camaroash: Can't someone of any race be nappy-headed?


Yes, but only one race is entitled to be offended if it's mentioned.

DING DING DING

Context and history, how do they work?


OK, you sound like you're familiar with this, maybe you can explain why it's supposed to be particularly insulting to black people? Because frankly that's not really clear.

Is there actually some racist meaning, or is it one of those "someone arbitrarily decided it would be racist because the racism committee was a couple words under quota and it was closing time" things like old people calling young men "boy"?
2012-06-02 06:44:44 PM
1 votes:

Amos Quito: "Brea" is Spanish for "tar"


I did not know that. But doesn't that make the La Brea Tar Pits a redundant title?
2012-06-02 06:39:50 PM
1 votes:

The_Gallant_Gallstone: Jim_Callahan: Given that it's a "charter" school where the vast majority of the students are eligible for the federal lunch assistance program, I would venture that "charter" is in this case a code word for "remedial" rather than "gifted".

Being poor makes you stupid, I guess...


Statistically there's a very strong correlation between low-income families and lack of academic achievement in children. So, if you don't really understand the difference between "bad at academics" and "stupid" then yes, sure, exactly.

Percentage of the population under the poverty line is 15%. Sure, if you're seeing 20, maybe 25% that population is still mixed enough to display the characteristics of the overall national population. 87%, though, means they display overwhelmingly the demographic characteristics of people from families below the poverty line. A school where only 1 in 5 students is going to manage to graduate high school, statistically, is unlikely to be a gifted school unless there are some incredibly convoluted selection criteria. Like, say, they skimmed the top few percent of the low-income people from several counties or the entire state instead of taking people from a few local districts.

This is pretty elementary statistics, man, if you can't work that out maybe you don't need to be in threads about education.
2012-06-02 06:31:05 PM
1 votes:

eraser8: I would hope that Farkers would be bright enough to look at the facts presented without jumping to that conclusion.


Oh come one now. I know you are not new here.
2012-06-02 06:30:31 PM
1 votes:

eraser8: Kyndig: By the same token, I had an african american basketball coach who regularly used the term "pasty white asses" in his "motivational" shouting. Nobody gave a damn.

Why doesn't anyone here seem to get the fact that the issue here isn't that the teacher is white and the student is black?

That may be why the news station latched on to the story -- but it doesn't seem to me the issue between the family and the school.

The issue is a teacher insulted a student.

I get that people get frustrated. But, if you're a professional, you deal with it without lashing out at a child.



I agree. But even the best teachers have had their weak moments, especially when dealing with the foulest kid. I'm a middle school teacher and probably way too patient. Nice and respectful works with about 80% of kids.

Certain kids just don't respect you if you act calmly, reasonably and intelligently. Then you see another teacher scream at them to sit down and shut up, and they do. It's frustrating, because you want to treat them respectfully and give them a place to mess up and learn from their mistakes, but you also have to do your job.

I never trust one side of the story, especially when it is a student trying to get an adult in trouble. I think the principal's statement about mean kids to the newspaper is highly unprofessional though.
2012-06-02 06:28:48 PM
1 votes:

Kyndig: FTFA: According to Williams, principal Giselle Edman, who is African-American, shifted the blame onto Persley, saying, "Bad things need to happen to mean kids."

92.5% of the school is african-american.

The article doesn't quote ANYONE besides the parent being outraged.

There's something we're not hearing here.


Well judging by the mom in the photo, the child most likely WAS nappy headed.
2012-06-02 06:26:07 PM
1 votes:

rebelyell2006: 9beers: If Obama had a daughter.......

He has two daughters, you dumbfark.


Irony, people. Enjoy.
2012-06-02 06:23:37 PM
1 votes:

Amos Quito: camaroash: Can't someone of any race be nappy-headed?


Yes, but only one race is entitled to be offended if it's mentioned.


DING DING DING

2012-06-02 06:09:21 PM
1 votes:
wait a sec... there's an Academy for Excellence in Inglewood?

I call BS to this story right there!
2012-06-02 06:08:03 PM
1 votes:

Kyndig: vegasj: camaroash: Can't someone of any race be nappy-headed?

yup.



Back when i was in high school (oh, about 20 yrs ago) a teacher once did tell a student to "sit his black ass down"... and do you know what?

He did. End of story.

By the same token, I had an african american basketball coach who regularly used the term "pasty white asses" in his "motivational" shouting. Nobody gave a damn.


Yeah, but that's because that coach had no authority with which to impress upon those students that their whiteness made them less-than.

:I
2012-06-02 06:05:33 PM
1 votes:

vegasj: camaroash: Can't someone of any race be nappy-headed?

yup.



Back when i was in high school (oh, about 20 yrs ago) a teacher once did tell a student to "sit his black ass down"... and do you know what?

He did. End of story.


By the same token, I had an african american basketball coach who regularly used the term "pasty white asses" in his "motivational" shouting. Nobody gave a damn.
Oak
2012-06-02 06:04:58 PM
1 votes:
i2.kym-cdn.com
2012-06-02 06:03:40 PM
1 votes:

siyuntz: The article linked in the HuffPost article said that the girl had been in a fight on campus, and had been cited for tardiness and gum-chewing, but it also said that the letter sent to the mom specifically stated that she was banned "due to the fact that [mom] scolded the principal". I think that is where the school left themselves wide open to problems.


How so? She got what she deserved. Considering parents are responsible for the majority of problems with kids today, just when and how do schools start holding parents accountable? This would appear to be a good start. Hopefully the mother has to stay home with the child now and loses a job. True social justice.
2012-06-02 06:02:39 PM
1 votes:
If Obama had a daughter.......
2012-06-02 05:59:22 PM
1 votes:
nappy headed is now a racist comment?

jesus h christ
2012-06-02 05:59:08 PM
1 votes:
I'm not a hair dresser or anything.... but it does appear to fit the definition of nappy....
2012-06-02 05:59:05 PM
1 votes:
ZOMG! Someone with frizzy hair was referred to as having frizzy hair!
Next, the teachers will be using derogatory terms like "red headed", and, "brunette"!
2012-06-02 05:56:24 PM
1 votes:

LtDarkstar: Uh it's not racism if 92.5 of the school is black. I hear black people calling each other n**ger all the time and yet that's "OK". Black people need to GET OVER IT and quit playing the race card to get their way all the time. I'm glad they were kicked out.


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2012-06-02 05:55:59 PM
1 votes:
The article linked in the HuffPost article said that the girl had been in a fight on campus, and had been cited for tardiness and gum-chewing, but it also said that the letter sent to the mom specifically stated that she was banned "due to the fact that [mom] scolded the principal". I think that is where the school left themselves wide open to problems.
2012-06-02 05:54:35 PM
1 votes:

LtDarkstar: Uh it's not racism if 92.5 of the school is black. I hear black people calling each other n**ger all the time and yet that's "OK". Black people need to GET OVER IT and quit playing the race card to get their way all the time. I'm glad they were kicked out.


""Sit your nappy-headed self down."

This was the comment that Brea Persley, a 13-year-old student at Century Academy For Excellence in Inglewood, Calif., received from teacher Kelly Dempsey"

" KTLA footage of the school indicates that Dempsey is a white woman."

Clearly someone didn't do the reading assignment.
2012-06-02 05:46:45 PM
1 votes:
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ALLL THE LIVE LONG DAY
 
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