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(Telegraph)   Woman faces life in prison after taking blame for: a) murder, b) armed robbery, or c) husband's speeding ticket   (telegraph.co.uk) divider line 28
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2012-06-02 01:28:59 PM
Appearing at Southwark Crown Court for a pre-trial hearing on Friday, the Greek-born economist

I think I see the problem
 
2012-06-02 01:29:53 PM
It doesn't make sense, but all the petty shiat that politicians do and get away with (like speed) irritates me a lot more than the widescale corruption.
 
2012-06-02 01:31:24 PM
His mistress is named Carina Trimingham.

/mmmmmm. Pork.
//his name is Robert Paulson
 
2012-06-02 01:39:25 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marital_coercion

The defence is contained in section 47 of the Criminal Justice Act 1925:[1]

Any presumption of law that an offence committed by a wife in the presence of her husband is committed under the coercion of the husband is hereby abolished, but on a charge against a wife for any offence other than treason or murder it shall be a good defence to prove that the offence was committed in the presence of, and under the coercion of, the husband.


I would think any proper feminist would:

A) Oppose this defense due to how sexist it is
B) Oppose her use of this defense as it demeans actual victims of marital coercion

Of course, I have no idea, why they are going after her over a 10 year old ticket. That sounds like a huge waste of money.

Seems like its mostly a politically motivated attack on her ex husband.
 
2012-06-02 01:39:41 PM
Exaggerate much, subby?

"Perverting the course of justice carries a maximum sentence of life imprisonment."

Let's see shall we:

"The maximum sentence a judge can impose on a defendant convicted of perverting the course of justice is life imprisonment. It is a common law offence that must be tried before a jury in a crown court.

But the average sentence served by those jailed for the offence, according to Ministry of Justice figures from December 2010, is 10 months. Curiously, the average for women, at 12.3 months, is higher than for men (9.6 months)"

Link

What's odd is that the CPS sentencing guidelines say that the Sentencing Range is 4 months to 36 months.

And the thing is, dumbassmitter, is that you get sentenced for undermining the fabric on which the law is based, not just the severity of the crime you are accused of helping to cover up. Similarly if you were in court as a witness in a theft case and you committed perjury, you might get a stiffer sentence than the person who committed the theft. It's all about lying to the court, which is taken very seriously.
 
2012-06-02 01:41:28 PM
I was once asked hypothetically if I would bite the bullet. She was not pleased when I told her I wouldn't.
 
2012-06-02 01:45:13 PM
FTA -- "It is alleged that Mr Huhne, 57, persuaded his then wife to take his penalty points for a speeding offence that occurred on the M11 between March 12, 2003 and May 21, 2003."

He was constantly speeding for more than two months. Couldn't the police stop the wanker?
 
2012-06-02 01:47:49 PM
If you believe the wiki, she wasn't even married to the guy in 83.

In 1972 she married an LSE academic with the surname of Pryce, whom she divorced in 1981, having had two daughters together.[4]

In 1984, Pryce married Chris Huhne, who later became an MEP and then the Liberal Democrat MP for Eastleigh and Secretary of State for Energy and Climate Change. They had three children together.[8] They divorced in January 2011.[9][10]


And while this woman was being coerced by her future husband, she was at the time, chief economist of Williams & Glyn's Bank (now part of the Royal Bank of Scotland) from 1973 to 1983 and on a career path to being chief economist for KPMG from 1986 to 2001 starting as Peat Marwick McLintock, and corporate economist for Exxon Europe from 1983 to 1986

If this is a woman who cannot stand up to coercion from her fiance to not accept his tickets, then clearly no woman anywhere stands a chance at ever standing up to a man, and thus if she uses this defense, it is only logical to conclude that we need a gov't commission to house and license out all women, again, because they need protection and are so delicate and incapable of defense.
 
2012-06-02 01:47:59 PM

RoyBatty: Of course, I have no idea, why they are going after her over a 10 year old ticket. That sounds like a huge waste of money.

Seems like its mostly a politically motivated attack on her ex husband.


It kind of is politically motivated(ish) but the thing is he's a politician who repeatedly denied that he had done this and then it turned out that he had. The government has tried to crack down on people taking speeding fines for each other (students used to do it a lot, sell their licenses to the highest bidder and agree to take points on the licence for people who were facing a ban) and it does undermine the whole fabric of the legal system if you let people lie to the police and get away with it.

I think if you get yourself into politics you need to keep your nose pretty clean really. Chris Huhne was a dumbass for a) racking up that many speeding points on his licence (my dad has been driving for 50 years+ and has never had any, I've been driving for 20 years with none) and then b) lying about who was driving his car at the time to escape a ban and the c) having an affair and leaving the woman who had lied for him.

To be honest, lots of bans are incredibly short and it's not worth the agro of trying to get round them.

If you're going to be a politician you are often investigated to a higher standard (by the press) but you are only held to the same standard at law as any other citizen. You just look like more of a hypocrite if you're caught breaking it.
 
2012-06-02 01:56:31 PM

MoronLessOff: I was once asked hypothetically if I would bite the bullet. She was not pleased when I told her I wouldn't.


Better than asking if a dress makes her look fat, I suppose.
 
2012-06-02 01:58:09 PM

BarkingUnicorn: MoronLessOff: I was once asked hypothetically if I would bite the bullet. She was not pleased when I told her I wouldn't.

Better than asking if a dress makes her look fat, I suppose.


No...it was about the same.
 
2012-06-02 02:09:23 PM

Pert: Exaggerate much, subby?

"Perverting the course of justice carries a maximum sentence of life imprisonment."

Let's see shall we:

"The maximum sentence a judge can impose on a defendant convicted of perverting the course of justice is life imprisonment. It is a common law offence that must be tried before a jury in a crown court.

But the average sentence served by those jailed for the offence, according to Ministry of Justice figures from December 2010, is 10 months. Curiously, the average for women, at 12.3 months, is higher than for men (9.6 months)"

Link

What's odd is that the CPS sentencing guidelines say that the Sentencing Range is 4 months to 36 months..


All of these articles leave out one salient fact: Because it's common law, there is no statutory punishment, so it could be whatever the judge decides. In reality, it's likely no judge has given a sentence of over a few years for that in decades or centuries, which creates de facto limits. (And now that sentencing guidelines exist, actual statutory limits, even if it is a judge's right to exceed them if he wishes to generate an automatically appealable sentence.)
 
2012-06-02 02:17:46 PM

foxyshadis: Because it's common law, there is no statutory punishment


True, but there are sentencing guidelines even for common law offences.

Murder is a common law offence in the UK but there is still a mandatory life sentence (i.e. licensed for life) and guidelines on sentencing tariffs.
 
2012-06-02 02:24:59 PM
Greek-born economist

So, a terrorist . . .
 
2012-06-02 02:36:30 PM
don't GIS Carina Trimingham
 
2012-06-02 03:13:21 PM
Another example of the stupid vindictive things people do when they're going through divorce. She hated him so much that she leaks what he and she did so that his politcal career would be ruined. Probably didn't even think that she could go to prison as well. The karmic thing would be for both of them to get a year or so in a cell to think it over.
 
2012-06-02 03:15:54 PM
"accused of perverting the course of justice"

Ah, so you're going to jail for perverting?

How very "hot" of you!
 
2012-06-02 03:26:46 PM

TexasPeace: don't GIS Carina Trimingham


Or do, in the knowledge that she recently lost a libel suit against the Daily Fail. She sued because they called her a comedy lesbian from central casting. The Fail's defence was that the statement was true. The Fail won. £250,000 of costs to Ms Trimingham. Luckily her boyfriend has about ten houses acquired at the taxpayers expense.

This whole story is of a woman scorned. The speeding ticket is old because his ex didn't grass until he shacked up with the comedy lesbian/bi. She wants to land him in the shiat. Her defence is that the lying is all true, but that she's a girly-girl who was forced into lying. She obviously isn't, so she'll be lucky to stay out of the big house, but her ex is utterly farked. It's the prisoners' dilemma played out for real. Most entertaining*.

* Bonus entertainment: they obviously hate each other, but are being tried together, so are sitting in the witness box desperately trying to ignore the other's presence. Glorious Schadenfreude.

/ She'll get a year
// He'll get four
/// Place your bets
 
2012-06-02 03:29:15 PM

LLLeopold: Another example of the stupid vindictive things people do when they're going through divorce. She hated him so much that she leaks what he and she did so that his politcal career would be ruined. Probably didn't even think that she could go to prison as well. The karmic thing would be for both of them to get a year or so in a cell to think it over.


Wait? She leaked it? (And now is being charged with this, and is using marital coercion as a defense!?)

That would be marvelous! Do you have a citation for that?
 
2012-06-02 03:37:02 PM

RoyBatty: LLLeopold: Another example of the stupid vindictive things people do when they're going through divorce. She hated him so much that she leaks what he and she did so that his politcal career would be ruined. Probably didn't even think that she could go to prison as well. The karmic thing would be for both of them to get a year or so in a cell to think it over.

Wait? She leaked it? (And now is being charged with this, and is using marital coercion as a defense!?)

That would be marvelous! Do you have a citation for that?


Link

Mr Huhne has been subject to a police investigation since May last year, when Miss Pryce made allegations that he had asked someone "close to him" to take penalty points on his behalf in 2003. It was later suggested that Miss Pryce was the one who had allegedly done this.

Ha! What a stupid biatch!

It's offensive she would use marital coercion to get out of this.

If she's so easily coerced, even at a time she was chief economist of a bank, she should be fired from any position of responsibility.
 
2012-06-02 03:39:50 PM

Pert: Exaggerate much, subby?


It was in the link posted, last line of the article. Subby didn't create the link.
/not subby
 
2012-06-02 04:33:26 PM
Greek-born economist

That's sounds like a blind marksman.
Or a 96-pound sumo wrestler.
 
2012-06-02 04:53:52 PM
Nobody gets life for this subtard.

You farking moron.
 
2012-06-02 05:17:03 PM

Kurmudgeon: It was in the link posted, last line of the article. Subby didn't create the link.


Nope. Try again.

"Perverting the course of justice carries a maximum sentence of life imprisonment."

That's not the same as someone facing (i.e. that's the standard / definite punishment) life imprisonment.

Stating what the maximum sentence for a crime is does not remotely indicate what someone is facing for a minor example of that crime.
 
2012-06-02 05:38:06 PM

MAYORBOB: FTA -- "It is alleged that Mr Huhne, 57, persuaded his then wife to take his penalty points for a speeding offence that occurred on the M11 between March 12, 2003 and May 21, 2003."

He was constantly speeding for more than two months. Couldn't the police stop the wanker?


They tried, but he just wouldn't stop, or even slow down! Made things difficult.

/Obvious joke.
 
2012-06-02 09:57:35 PM

Pert: Stating what the maximum sentence for a crime is does not remotely indicate what someone is facing for a minor example of that crime


Subby should have added the word "potentially", now here's your cookie.
(_*_)
 
2012-06-03 03:52:19 AM

RoyBatty: Seems like its mostly a politically motivated attack on her ex husband.


Nothing political about it. He dumped her (for someone who, though technically female, looks like the world's least convincing tranny) and she's out for revenge. At worst, she'll do six months inside, but he'll get the same, a destroyed career and a £60 speeding ticket,
 
2012-06-03 09:56:37 PM
"Miss Pryce, who was wearing a beige linen jacket and a brown knee-length skirt, spoke only to confirm her name and to answer "not guilty" when the charge was put to her.
Mr Huhne, who was wearing a navy suit, white shirt and polka dot tie, spoke only to confirm his name."

Hard-hitting stuff.
 
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