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(Chicago Trib)   Colorado is becoming a one-issue state for Obama. That issue? The legalization of marijuana. Yes, his entire campaign could derail because he wants to keep pot illegal   (chicagotribune.com) divider line 420
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2012-06-02 11:26:54 AM  
I live in Colorado Springs. There's a weed shop every 200 ft.
 
2012-06-02 11:35:16 AM  
I'd say there's a small chance Obama will come around in time. They're smoking crack if they think Romney will ever be in favor of legalization.
 
2012-06-02 11:47:11 AM  

St_Francis_P: I'd say there's a small chance Obama will come around in time. They're smoking crack if they think Romney will ever be in favor of legalization.


Yup - he'll hopefully "evolve" on this issue. I don't smoke it because of my job, but a natural substance being illegal just offends me.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2012-06-02 11:49:51 AM  
The potheads who turn out to legalize marijuana will vote for Obama even if he promises strict enforcement of drug laws. If you believe they'll vote despite youth's long history of apathy.
 
2012-06-02 11:59:56 AM  
That'd be a hell of an October Surprise, if he wanted to do it that way.
 
2012-06-02 12:00:47 PM  

ZAZ: If you believe they'll vote despite youth's long history of apathy.


Yeah, that's closer to the situation. If Obama was pro-legalization they might actually vote.
 
2012-06-02 12:39:05 PM  
"My attitude is if the science and the doctors suggest that the best palliative care and the way to relieve pain and suffering is medical marijuana then that's something I'm open to because there's no difference between that and morphine when it comes to just giving people relief from pain. But I want to do it under strict guidelines. I want it prescribed in the same way that other painkillers or palliative drugs are prescribed." - November 24, 2007 town hall meeting in Iowa

"I would not have the Justice Department prosecuting and raiding medical marijuana users. It's not a good use of our resources." - August 21, 2007, event in Nashua, New Hampshire

"I don't think that should be a top priority of us, raiding people who are using ... medical marijuana. With all the things we've got to worry about, and our Justice Department should be doing, that probably shouldn't be a high priority." - June 2, 2007, town hall meeting in Laconia, New Hampshire

"You know, it's really not a good use of Justice Department resources." - responding to whether the federal government should stop medical marijuana raids, August 13, 2007, town hall meeting in Nashua, New Hampshire

"The Justice Department going after sick individuals using [marijuana] as a palliative instead of going after serious criminals makes no sense." - July 21, 2007, town hall meeting in Manchester, New Hampshire"

I'm sure the fark libs will be up in arms over the following statement (and for the record, I do not vote for either party or smoke pot).

If anything, the Obama administration has been MORE aggressive in going after medical marijuana than Bush. He's also been hypocritical regarding State's Rights. He's for it when it comes to gay marriage and against it when it comes to medical marijuana? He should be criticized more for how he broke his promise on this issue.
 
2012-06-02 12:42:08 PM  
well this should be fun to watch...
 
2012-06-02 12:43:39 PM  

slayer199: He should be criticized more for how he broke his promise on this issue.


He's criticized constantly for that. If you like, I'll even criticize him again.
 
2012-06-02 12:48:03 PM  
Because Romney will be all in favor of legalization?

Folks can think that this will be a large issue all they want, but in the end, if you are a one issue voter, then perhaps your issue should be one that at least one party has some movement on.
 
2012-06-02 12:50:35 PM  

hubiestubert: Because Romney will be all in favor of legalization?

Folks can think that this will be a large issue all they want, but in the end, if you are a one issue voter, then perhaps your issue should be one that at least one party has some movement on.


I think the point is that by pressuring Obama on this issue, we might see some movement towards legalization. God knows, if you want to get a politician's attention, dick around with either his money or his reelection chances...otherwise they'll just ignore you.
 
2012-06-02 01:09:47 PM  

hubiestubert: Because Romney will be all in favor of legalization?


You know, if I were in charge of his campaign, I might well tell him to come out in favor of legalizing it. He needs a hail mary play anyway, why not try it? Might be enough to tip the scales. But probably not. Just a random thought.
 
2012-06-02 01:18:49 PM  
C'mon, Biden, make Obama evolve again.
 
2012-06-02 01:25:50 PM  
OBAMA FLIP-FLOPS, DECLARES WAR ON PRISON-INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX
 
2012-06-02 01:40:00 PM  

St_Francis_P: They're smoking crack if they think Romney will ever be in favor of legalization.


That's what I came in here to say.

Sad to say, I don't think it will ever be legalized. Well, at least not until big pharmaceutical companies, big breweries/distilleries, for-profit prison companies and the "THINK OF THE CHILDREN!!!" crowd die off.
 
2012-06-02 01:52:45 PM  

nekom: You know, if I were in charge of his campaign, I might well tell him to come out in favor of legalizing it.


I'm guessing that as a mormon he wouldn't even entertain the thought.
 
2012-06-02 02:13:47 PM  

slayer199: "My attitude is if the science and the doctors suggest that the best palliative care and the way to relieve pain and suffering is medical marijuana then that's something I'm open to because there's no difference between that and morphine when it comes to just giving people relief from pain. But I want to do it under strict guidelines. I want it prescribed in the same way that other painkillers or palliative drugs are prescribed." - November 24, 2007 town hall meeting in Iowa

"I would not have the Justice Department prosecuting and raiding medical marijuana users. It's not a good use of our resources." - August 21, 2007, event in Nashua, New Hampshire

"I don't think that should be a top priority of us, raiding people who are using ... medical marijuana. With all the things we've got to worry about, and our Justice Department should be doing, that probably shouldn't be a high priority." - June 2, 2007, town hall meeting in Laconia, New Hampshire

"You know, it's really not a good use of Justice Department resources." - responding to whether the federal government should stop medical marijuana raids, August 13, 2007, town hall meeting in Nashua, New Hampshire

"The Justice Department going after sick individuals using [marijuana] as a palliative instead of going after serious criminals makes no sense." - July 21, 2007, town hall meeting in Manchester, New Hampshire"

I'm sure the fark libs will be up in arms over the following statement (and for the record, I do not vote for either party or smoke pot).

If anything, the Obama administration has been MORE aggressive in going after medical marijuana than Bush. He's also been hypocritical regarding State's Rights. He's for it when it comes to gay marriage and against it when it comes to medical marijuana? He should be criticized more for how he broke his promise on this issue.


He didn't break any promises. The busts that have been made have been to clinics that are not following the state laws, and have been in coordination with state agencies at their request.

He said he would not waste time with clinics that were operating legally under state laws. If you have a citation of any raids to clinics that were operating legally I would like to hear about it.
 
2012-06-02 02:18:10 PM  

Tor_Eckman: If you have a citation of any raids to clinics that were operating legally I would like to hear about it.


Here's one.
 
2012-06-02 02:23:13 PM  
The easiest move Obama can make in this regard is to remove marijuana's Schedule I classification. No Congress required, and it would be a politically safe first step towards future progress without getting too into the weeds on legality this close to an election.
 
2012-06-02 02:48:40 PM  

Dusk-You-n-Me: The easiest move Obama can make in this regard is to remove marijuana's Schedule I classification. No Congress required, and it would be a politically safe first step towards future progress without getting too into the weeds on legality this close to an election.


And if Obama wanted to half ass it, he could change cannabis from Schedule I to Schedule III or IV. book it...done.
 
2012-06-02 02:50:53 PM  

PacManDreaming: Tor_Eckman: If you have a citation of any raids to clinics that were operating legally I would like to hear about it.

Here's one.


Oaksterdam is not a clinic.
 
2012-06-02 03:20:04 PM  

rwhamann: St_Francis_P: I'd say there's a small chance Obama will come around in time. They're smoking crack if they think Romney will ever be in favor of legalization.

Yup - he'll hopefully "evolve" on this issue. I don't smoke it because of my job, but a natural substance being illegal just offends me.


Well, if gay marriage is any evidence, he'll come out in favor of it two days after he loses the election to Romney.
 
2012-06-02 03:32:13 PM  

PacManDreaming: St_Francis_P: They're smoking crack if they think Romney will ever be in favor of legalization.

That's what I came in here to say.

Sad to say, I don't think it will ever be legalized. Well, at least not until big pharmaceutical companies, big breweries/distilleries, for-profit prison companies and the "THINK OF THE CHILDREN!!!" crowd die off.


Spot on, but one big group you're leaving out: Trial lawyers. The people paid to keep middle class pot smokers out of prison.

Tens of thousands of trial lawyers, all making bank off the current status quo, and have been for 40 years.
 
2012-06-02 03:42:36 PM  
Put down the bong and think about it hippies. Obama may not advance the cause of legalization, but with Romney it would be two steps back.
 
2012-06-02 03:54:59 PM  
If only there was a candidate out there who supported legalization...
 
2012-06-02 04:01:04 PM  

cman: If only there was a

viable candidate out there who supported legalization...
 
2012-06-02 04:02:46 PM  

cman: If only there was a candidate out there who supported legalization...


anyone who supports legalization is automatically rendered non-viable. the war on drugs takes no prisoners - you are either 150% on board with the authoritarian madness or you are THE ENEMY.
 
2012-06-02 04:21:41 PM  

Weaver95: cman: If only there was a candidate out there who supported legalization...

anyone who supports legalization is automatically rendered non-viable. the war on drugs takes no prisoners - you are either 150% on board with the authoritarian madness or you are THE ENEMY.


No, RON PAUL is batshiat insane and Gary Johnson thinks stripping what controls left of a failed economic are left will fix everything.
 
2012-06-02 04:22:27 PM  

GAT_00: Weaver95: cman: If only there was a candidate out there who supported legalization...

anyone who supports legalization is automatically rendered non-viable. the war on drugs takes no prisoners - you are either 150% on board with the authoritarian madness or you are THE ENEMY.

No, RON PAUL is batshiat insane and Gary Johnson thinks stripping what controls are left of a failed economic system will fix everything.


Now in a manner that makes sense.
 
2012-06-02 04:44:36 PM  

PacManDreaming: Sad to say, I don't think it will ever be legalized.


Ever? It's only been illegal for .000001% of all of human history.
 
2012-06-02 04:47:19 PM  

PacManDreaming: Tor_Eckman: If you have a citation of any raids to clinics that were operating legally I would like to hear about it.

Here's one.


FTFL: The state attorney general issued guidelines saying dispensaries must be nonprofit collectives. But Lee said in 2010 that state law was vague enough to allow for his "liberal, progressive" interpretation that he could make a profit.

So it was operating within the law according to the operator, but not according to the Attorney General's office. I'll take the operator's interpretation over the Attorney General's every time.
 
2012-06-02 04:56:40 PM  

jaylectricity: Ever? It's only been illegal for .000001% of all of human history.


Yeah and do you think the government, pharmaceutical industry, for-profit prison systems, petrochemical industries and others are going to let their cash cow out of the barn? There's just too much money to be made keeping it illegal than in legalizing it.

Sorry, money wins over common sense any time it enters into the equation.
 
2012-06-02 05:03:44 PM  
Obama's been a disappointment to the pro-pot peoples on some fronts?

Yeah, that I get.

Voting for the guy who thinks an iced tea is a sin as a response to that?

Just can't wrap my wee head around it.

/Wot they're smoking.
//[Donotwant]
///Pro pot but also pro reality.
 
2012-06-02 05:04:02 PM  

PacManDreaming: jaylectricity: Ever? It's only been illegal for .000001% of all of human history.

Yeah and do you think the government, pharmaceutical industry, for-profit prison systems, petrochemical industries and others are going to let their cash cow out of the barn? There's just too much money to be made keeping it illegal than in legalizing it.

Sorry, money wins over common sense any time it enters into the equation.


The way to win (and I see this being pushed this way more and more) if that your TAXES will go down (or at least stay the same) if it's legalized. Less money from your pocket for prisons, better police coverage for the same tax dollars, etc. Make it specifically about money - your money.
 
2012-06-02 05:04:35 PM  
Good. He shouldn't lie to people.

All hail president Mittens!
 
2012-06-02 05:09:24 PM  
Last week, a Rasmussen Reports survey said 56 percent of likely U.S. voters favored legalizing and regulating marijuana.

Obama would be an idiot not to come around on this one.
 
2012-06-02 05:10:47 PM  

Metaluna Mutant: The way to win (and I see this being pushed this way more and more) if that your TAXES will go down (or at least stay the same) if it's legalized. Less money from your pocket for prisons, better police coverage for the same tax dollars, etc. Make it specifically about money - your money.


Sorry, but the corporations have way more money to spend on forming the general public's opinions than actual grassroots movements can spend on educating the public.

Look at OWS. I don't agree with everything they're for, but they've been pointing out how Wall St./Corporations are gaming the system at our expense and how politicians are willing participants in the corruption and look at how the general public responds. With almost total apathy.
 
2012-06-02 05:10:47 PM  
Yes, his entire campaign could derail because he wants to keep pot illegal

i.imgur.com

/only smoked pot once.
//tried to inhale, had a coughing fit
///fiance just laughed at me
 
2012-06-02 05:10:57 PM  

PacManDreaming: jaylectricity: Ever? It's only been illegal for .000001% of all of human history.

Yeah and do you think the government, pharmaceutical industry, for-profit prison systems, petrochemical industries and others are going to let their cash cow out of the barn? There's just too much money to be made keeping it illegal than in legalizing it.

Sorry, money wins over common sense any time it enters into the equation.


Although I agree, again...all those things you mentioned are fairly new. And look at what record companies are going through. And some of the scandals that are hitting the sporting leagues.

As time goes on, the people prevail. It just takes a really long time. So never say never.
 
2012-06-02 05:14:49 PM  
I was going to come in here and say, "Well, it makes political sense for him to want to keep pot illegal -can you IMAGINE the attacks from the right if he wanted to legalize it?!"

But then I came to my senses. Republican voters wouldn't be satisfied if Obama put gays in concentration camps and nuked Iran. They even threw a fit when he had Osama bin Laden killed.

Mr. President, perhaps you should let your views on this issue evolve a bit as well.
 
2012-06-02 05:17:15 PM  

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2012-06-02 05:20:51 PM  

quatchi: Obama's been a disappointment to the pro-pot peoples on some fronts?

Yeah, that I get.

Voting for the guy who thinks an iced tea is a sin as a response to that?

Just can't wrap my wee head around it.

/Wot they're smoking.
//[Donotwant]
///Pro pot but also pro reality.


It's not that the pro-pot people are voting Republican, it's that they're not voting at all or are throwing their vote away on some third party.

Which, unfortunately, is quite typical of liberals. If we were a business, our tag line would be "Making Perfect the Enemy of the Good Since 1789".
 
2012-06-02 05:23:17 PM  

rwhamann: St_Francis_P: I'd say there's a small chance Obama will come around in time. They're smoking crack if they think Romney will ever be in favor of legalization.

Yup - he'll hopefully "evolve" on this issue. I don't smoke it because of my job, but a natural substance being illegal just offends me.


Shut up hippie.

"natural" is meaningless.

/prohibition fails
//alcohol is worse than pot
 
2012-06-02 05:24:04 PM  
For some reason I don't think the single issue idiot stoner vote is a bloc that is going to make or break the election for Mr. Obama. He already went out on a limb with gay marriage, I don't think he would risk alienating middle America even further. If he did, it would be an amazing amount of hubris from a man who works to hard to appear relatively humble.
 
2012-06-02 05:24:39 PM  
And Romney just wants to hand out free samples to everyone?
 
2012-06-02 05:27:55 PM  
I was told by a life insurance company after I admitted to having a cannabis card that "We're all about statistics, not politics. We've done the research and we have concluded that smoking marijuana is not considered a risk-taking behavior."

A MAJOR. LIFE. INSURANCE. COMPANY doesn't think there's anything wrong with it. What exactly is the argument against legalization again?
 
2012-06-02 05:31:50 PM  
If anything, the Obama administration has been MORE aggressive in going after medical marijuana than Bush. He's also been hypocritical regarding State's Rights. He's for it when it comes to gay marriage and against it when it comes to medical marijuana? He should be criticized more for how he broke his promise on this issue.

I smoke pot and plan on voting for Obama again, and I don't disagree with any of that.

I read an analysis that you can either have legal weed and the FDA, or illegal weed and no FDA, the point being is that this is an issue that liberals will have to settle amongst themselves.

I don't know that I buy that, but I take your point.
 
2012-06-02 05:38:39 PM  

Empty Matchbook: I was told by a life insurance company after I admitted to having a cannabis card that "We're all about statistics, not politics. We've done the research and we have concluded that smoking marijuana is not considered a risk-taking behavior."

A MAJOR. LIFE. INSURANCE. COMPANY doesn't think there's anything wrong with it. What exactly is the argument against legalization again?


It may not change their profits, but it could screw up a few other business models.
 
2012-06-02 06:07:44 PM  
And rightly so. People need to wake up to the fact that Obiawanfartbama is a prison-military-industrial complex stooge.
 
2012-06-02 06:10:36 PM  
I'm upset with Obama about his stance on marijuana... but I have no illusions that Romney would be any better. In fact, I'd say the odds are higher that Obama will change his stance on this in a second term than Romney would change his stance on it in his first term.

Speaking purely about this one issue... I am by no means a single issue voter.
 
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