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(Good.is)   Nanny Bloomberg's soda ban has loopholes you could fly a private helicopter through. Even more strangely, the loopholes tend to benefit large food-service corporations   (good.is) divider line 122
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2012-06-02 01:19:58 PM
Also exempt will be the convenience store 7-Eleven, which will be able to sell its 40-ounce Big Gulp because the store is classified as a "grocery establishment,"

lolwut?
 
2012-06-02 01:33:01 PM
Bloomerg?
 
2012-06-02 02:10:38 PM
Okay, it's the "I'm going to ban something that won't impact people with real power, influence, and money" gambit.
 
2012-06-02 02:14:11 PM
Subby thinks it's strange when a proposed law would benefit the rich.

Everyone laugh at subby.
 
2012-06-02 02:58:13 PM
See, Republicans? There's no need to worry. Bloomberg isn't a nanny-statist. He's just looking out for the Job Creators®.
 
2012-06-02 02:59:54 PM

OtherLittleGuy: Okay, it's the "I'm going to ban something that won't impact people with real power, influence, and money" gambit.


yup. welcome to america.
 
2012-06-02 03:00:14 PM
My surprised face. Let me show it to you. :>/
 
2012-06-02 03:00:50 PM
urbandesiradio.com
This will be known as the Squishee loophole.
 
2012-06-02 03:01:23 PM
Mostly, I just love the idea that a 20 ounce Coke is a terrible thing, but 20 ounces of Minute Maid orange juice or caramel mocha frappiatto is apparently a-okay.
 
2012-06-02 03:03:19 PM
Don't a lot of fast food places have free refills?

/Did not RTFA, does not eat cardboard and lard.
 
2012-06-02 03:03:57 PM
Bloomberg (D R I - NYC)
 
2012-06-02 03:06:17 PM

rcantley: Mostly, I just love the idea that a 20 ounce Coke is a terrible thing, but 20 ounces of Minute Maid orange juice or caramel mocha frappiatto is apparently a-okay.


The caramel mocha frappucino is not ok, if i understand the law correctly. Still..nutritionally speaking, if all crazy sugar levels are the same:

Coke
 
2012-06-02 03:07:30 PM
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2012-06-02 03:08:08 PM

Aarontology: Also exempt will be the convenience store 7-Eleven, which will be able to sell its 40-ounce Big Gulp because the store is classified as a "grocery establishment,"

lolwut?


Do not underestimate the power of the snack lobby. I remember when CA started taxing snack foods and there was about a 2 year long battle over whether a Hostess Snack Pie was taxable (yes) when a baked pie was not.

I give it a few weeks before someone managed to reclassify the drink fountain at Wendy's as an "ice accompaniment conveyance."
 
2012-06-02 03:09:44 PM
fark u, Bloomturd

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2012-06-02 03:10:33 PM
I'm... I'm shocked. My faith in government is irreparably damaged.
 
2012-06-02 03:10:36 PM

Daraymann: Don't a lot of fast food places have free refills?


Not defending Bloomberg's plan, but even with free refills, smaller cups probably mean less consumption over the long run, especially on those who like to fill up right before leaving and drink it for a while after leaving the fast food place.
 
2012-06-02 03:12:18 PM

ImpendingCynic: I give it a few weeks before someone managed to reclassify the drink fountain at Wendy's as an "ice accompaniment conveyance."


It won't take that long. They'll just stop selling 64 ounce drinks, and start selling 64 ounce cups.
 
2012-06-02 03:17:41 PM
This is my shocked face: = |
 
2012-06-02 03:18:49 PM
bloomberg is an ass - film at 11
 
2012-06-02 03:19:16 PM
This aw is dumb. it attacks the symptom but not the case.Force restaurants to do calorie counts and post them.
 
2012-06-02 03:20:35 PM

Corvus: This aw is dumb. it attacks the symptom but not the case.Force restaurants to do calorie counts and post them.


I believe in NYC most restaurants (fast food) have to already.
 
2012-06-02 03:21:44 PM
Seven-Eleven will be exempt. Of course. Because it's only one of the main places you can get a SIXTY FOUR OUNCE FOUNTAIN SODA in the farking city.
 
2012-06-02 03:21:48 PM

12349876: Daraymann: Don't a lot of fast food places have free refills?

Not defending Bloomberg's plan, but even with free refills, smaller cups probably mean less consumption over the long run,


This is exactly why they should be forced to sell steaks in 4 oz portions.
 
2012-06-02 03:22:23 PM
So in summary, Bloomberg's got no problem with unhealthy drinks and this is just a proposal to ban purple drank?
 
2012-06-02 03:22:32 PM
Just watched Food Inc last night
So I'm getting a kick out of this thread


/No really, I just watched it last night
 
2012-06-02 03:22:43 PM

Aarontology: Also exempt will be the convenience store 7-Eleven, which will be able to sell its 40-ounce Big Gulp because the store is classified as a "grocery establishment,"

lolwut?


Well, 7-11 does actually sell groceries. And it makes some sense to exempt grocers because buying soda in grocery quantities involves 2-liter containers. So it sort of makes sense that 7-11 would fall into a weird grey area in the law.

I mean, it's sort of nonsensical, but to get to the logic of the ban you have to first accept the logic that motivates the ban in the first place, which is so pants-on-head retarded that is makes bad logic in the exceptions seem trivial by comparison.
 
2012-06-02 03:23:44 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: 12349876: Daraymann: Don't a lot of fast food places have free refills?

Not defending Bloomberg's plan, but even with free refills, smaller cups probably mean less consumption over the long run,

This is exactly why they should be forced to sell steaks in 4 oz portions.


HEY! That's too far. You can take my rib-eye from by cold dead hands.
 
2012-06-02 03:26:32 PM

rohar: tenpoundsofcheese: 12349876: Daraymann: Don't a lot of fast food places have free refills?

Not defending Bloomberg's plan, but even with free refills, smaller cups probably mean less consumption over the long run,

This is exactly why they should be forced to sell steaks in 4 oz portions.

HEY! That's too far. You can take my rib-eye from by cold dead hands.


Comrade, we are trying to make sure that your hands are warm and alive for a long period of time.

I am waiting for the ad that has that scene in Oliver where the kid says "Please sir, may I have more".

can someone photoshop that and have Bloomberg's face on it.
 
2012-06-02 03:28:37 PM
OK, I think Bloomberg's ban is overreaching and silly, and that was still the biggest farking pile of derp I've ever read.

/I guess it's OK for conservatives to play the race card...
 
2012-06-02 03:32:38 PM

Jim_Callahan: Well, 7-11 does actually sell groceries. And it makes some sense to exempt grocers because buying soda in grocery quantities involves 2-liter containers. So it sort of makes sense that 7-11 would fall into a weird grey area in the law.


Easy way to get around that grey area. Make the ban on drinks sold cold/hot.

But of course the best way to get around all of it is to just sin tax it like booze and cigs.
 
2012-06-02 03:43:45 PM
Bloombbels is gonna get NYC sued over such a stupid law.

It isnt the size of the drink that makes people fat....its the lazy in people that makes them fat
 
2012-06-02 03:43:57 PM

Bloody William: Seven-Eleven will be exempt. Of course. Because it's only one of the main places you can get a SIXTY FOUR OUNCE FOUNTAIN SODA in the farking city.


Well after you've just spent 70 mins in the NYC free sauna, you need a giant beverage.
 
2012-06-02 03:47:12 PM
No cola in NYC? Hard liquor it is then! Neat.
 
2012-06-02 03:58:41 PM

12349876: Jim_Callahan: Well, 7-11 does actually sell groceries. And it makes some sense to exempt grocers because buying soda in grocery quantities involves 2-liter containers. So it sort of makes sense that 7-11 would fall into a weird grey area in the law.

Easy way to get around that grey area. Make the ban on drinks sold cold/hot.

But of course the best way to get around all of it is to just sin tax it like booze and cigs.


10 cents each oz over 20 would slow down the 64oz sodas pretty quick.
 
2012-06-02 04:15:29 PM
I love the way the article talks about the transfat ban as a "successful" program because restaurants started using fewer transfats.

Ignoring, of course, that they started using transfats as a replacement for regular old saturated fats due to years of pressure from the government.

"Hey, stop using that stuff we forced you to use before, you evil food servers!"
 
2012-06-02 04:19:18 PM
Jon Stewart and Stephen Colbert both had fun with this the other night. It was fun watching them both take on the same issue on the same night.
 
2012-06-02 04:20:48 PM
I hate poorly written legislation.
 
2012-06-02 04:22:47 PM
Utopia:

It's just one more government tax or regulation away.
 
2012-06-02 04:29:23 PM
Orrrr let's do the simple thing: skip the whole damned thing. Better education on what people are drinking when they drink large sugared sodas would be much more useful.
 
2012-06-02 04:30:45 PM

saintstryfe: Orrrr let's do the simple thing: skip the whole damned thing. Better education on what people are drinking when they drink large sugared sodas would be much more useful.


We can't seem to get our kids to learn to read no matter how much money we throw at it. How do you think a discussion of the effects of short chain hydro carbons is going to go over?
 
2012-06-02 04:30:55 PM

WhyteRaven74: Jon Stewart and Stephen Colbert both had fun with this the other night. It was fun watching them both take on the same issue on the same night.


I miss Drinky already.

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2012-06-02 04:36:16 PM
the loopholes tend to benefit large food-service corporations

isn't that just the oddest thing. benefit Large Corporations. in America, Land of the Free and all that. go Democracy!
 
2012-06-02 04:37:05 PM

The Name: See, Republicans? There's no need to worry. Bloomberg isn't a nanny-statist. He's just looking out for the {communist china} Job Creators®.


fixed that for ya'
 
2012-06-02 04:37:52 PM

JonBuck: I'm... I'm shocked. My faith in government is irreparably damaged.



i'll never look at 'merica the same.
 
2012-06-02 04:38:32 PM

TDBoedy: bloomberg is an ass - film at 11



a Corporate Owned ass, no doubt.
 
2012-06-02 04:43:45 PM
That article is almost as stupid as Bloomberg's proposal. There are almost no "large food-service corporations" in NYC as defined by that law. There are plenty of fast-food restaurants but they're covered. Exempt sites like 7-11 are rare -- almost all those corner grocery establishments are small, family-run operations (and even they generally don't have soda dispensers). I'd bet there aren't 50 places in the city where you can get a huge pour at an exempt location.

In fairness, 7-11 is trying to expand, including by buying existing bodegas. But this is a tiny exemption and its benefits to big business v. small business are negligible or non-existent.
 
2012-06-02 04:44:29 PM
Bloomberg is what happens when short Jews get too much unchecked power.
 
2012-06-02 04:51:46 PM
I just find it hilarious that THIS is the issue that finally brought the american right and left together in agreement.
 
2012-06-02 04:52:50 PM
Funny how suddenly Republicans distance themselves from the mayor.
 
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