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(Neatorama)   How do you deal with the possibility of a rise in sea level? a) Change building codes, b) build sea walls, or c) outlaw predictions of rising seas?   (neatorama.com) divider line 46
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2012-06-02 01:29:50 PM
As any scientist will tell you, Nature obeys Laws. Why do liberals hate science?
 
2012-06-02 01:32:17 PM
How many posts are we going to see on the same topic??

I think this is 3 or 4 in the past week.
 
2012-06-02 01:32:55 PM

thelunatick: How many posts are we going to see on the same topic??

I think this is 3 or 4 in the past week.


Perhaps we should "outlaw" posts like this.
 
2012-06-02 01:33:25 PM
Forget sometimes being embarrassed to be American- crap like this makes me embarrassed to be human!

/beam me up Scotty, etc.
 
2012-06-02 01:33:42 PM
I'm hundreds of miles inland and over 1,000 feet above sea level, I say the coasties knew what they were in for when they built on the coast, let them crash
 
2012-06-02 01:35:25 PM
I guess the real question is, how do you outlaw repeats on Fark?
 
2012-06-02 01:35:43 PM
"Let's go burn down the observatory so this will never happen again."
 
2012-06-02 01:36:18 PM

WhippingBoy: thelunatick: How many posts are we going to see on the same topic??

I think this is 3 or 4 in the past week.

Perhaps we should "outlaw" posts like this.


Great minds think alike.
 
2012-06-02 01:37:46 PM

WhippingBoy: "Let's go burn down the observatory so this will never happen again."


Ah, Nightfall.
 
2012-06-02 01:39:35 PM

thelunatick: How many posts are we going to see on the same topic??

I think this is 3 or 4 in the past week.


Ah, but this one had the a, b and c option. It was too clever not to greenlight.

If someone does a "Wait, what!?" one, that'll be greenlit as well.
 
2012-06-02 01:41:09 PM

rumpelstiltskin: As any scientist will tell you, Nature obeys Laws. Why do liberals hate science?


Maybe it has something to do with "facts". Liberals and facts do not get along, quite often
 
2012-06-02 01:45:54 PM
I've noticed that when I'm designing mechanical systems for buildings that cost $20 million+ to build, the owner or company putting up the money ALWAYS wants me to use the most current sea rise predictions (in the case of a marine lab on the coast) or global warming design conditions (in the case of inland laboratories and datacenters) regardless of their politics.

Denying global warming and it's massive impacts is just an act for the idiot fringe. When right wingers are putting their money down, they know what is reality and what's for the Palin crowd.
 
2012-06-02 01:46:29 PM

UCFRoadWarrior: rumpelstiltskin: As any scientist will tell you, Nature obeys Laws. Why do liberals hate science?

Maybe it has something to do with "facts". Liberals and facts do not get along, quite often


Liberals make up their own facts. Just go to any "Zimmerman/Martin" thread and you'll see.
 
2012-06-02 01:48:37 PM

UCFRoadWarrior: rumpelstiltskin: As any scientist will tell you, Nature obeys Laws. Why do liberals hate science?

Maybe it has something to do with "facts". Liberals Conservatives and facts do not get along, quite often


You misspelled conservatives. But I know, UCF will do that to you.
 
2012-06-02 01:49:01 PM

thelunatick: How many posts are we going to see on the same topic??

I think this is 3 or 4 in the past week.


It was 3.14, before some stupid law got to it.
 
2012-06-02 01:51:13 PM
Wow..that blog is full of fail. The statute in question says no such thing.
 
2012-06-02 01:51:48 PM

Surpheon: I've noticed that when I'm designing mechanical systems for buildings that cost $20 million+ to build, the owner or company putting up the money ALWAYS wants me to use the most current sea rise predictions (in the case of a marine lab on the coast) or global warming design conditions (in the case of inland laboratories and datacenters) regardless of their politics.

Denying global warming and it's massive impacts is just an act for the idiot fringe. When right wingers are putting their money down, they know what is reality and what's for the Palin crowd.


The nutty libs at the Army, every insurance company in the world, and the CIA all say the same thing. But, facts and Republicans don't mix.
 
2012-06-02 01:53:23 PM

bim1154: UCFRoadWarrior: rumpelstiltskin: As any scientist will tell you, Nature obeys Laws. Why do liberals hate science?

Maybe it has something to do with "facts". Liberals and facts do not get along, quite often

Liberals make up their own facts. Just go to any "Zimmerman/Martin" thread and you'll see.


I think his point is that these were most likely black scientists and so these aren't facts, they're some sort of entitlements that they never researched a day in their lives for. So we should just shoot them to be on the safe side.
 
2012-06-02 01:53:31 PM

Surpheon: Denying global warming and it's massive impacts is just an act for the idiot fringe. When right wingers are putting their money down, they know what is reality and what's for the Palin crowd.


Baaaaah...
 
2012-06-02 01:53:44 PM
Surpheon: I've noticed that when I'm designing mechanical systems for buildings that cost $20 million+ to build, the owner or company putting up the money ALWAYS wants me to use the most current sea rise predictions (in the case of a marine lab on the coast) or global warming design conditions (in the case of inland laboratories and datacenters) regardless of their politics.
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Whether they believe in manmade global warming or not, the ocean levels CAN rise if the ice caps were to melt for whatever reason. Unless your business specifically NEEDS to be in the potentially flooded zone there is no reason to put it there.

Al Gore built his new beach house RIGHT on the ocean where it will get flooded within his lifetime if Global warming really happens, so I don't think your fearless leader has the same faith in his cause that you do.
 
2012-06-02 01:54:17 PM
I've seen this headline before, but I've never read TFA until this one - let me guess, it's a waste of breath to point out that they didn't actually outlaw sea level rise?

They limited which state agency could officially state levels (not a big deal), and defined the method by which predictions could be made (probably none of their business).


tl;dr: get the fark over yourselves you stupid climate-change white knights.
 
2012-06-02 01:54:33 PM

UCFRoadWarrior: rumpelstiltskin: As any scientist will tell you, Nature obeys Laws. Why do liberals hate science?

Maybe it has something to do with "facts". Liberals and facts do not get along, quite often


Playing the liberal card? The World Series of Poker really lost its appeal once they decided to host it at a special needs school instead of a casino.
 
2012-06-02 01:55:57 PM

Surpheon: I've noticed that when I'm designing mechanical systems for buildings that cost $20 million+ to build, the owner or company putting up the money ALWAYS wants me to use the most current sea rise predictions (in the case of a marine lab on the coast) or global warming design conditions (in the case of inland laboratories and datacenters) regardless of their politics.

Denying global warming and it's massive impacts is just an act for the idiot fringe. When right wingers are putting their money down, they know what is reality and what's for the Palin crowd.


Even the Pentagon was speculating on the worst case scenarios of changes in climate staring causing droughts, famines, displaced people, etc. It's a pity that these business people aren't adding high profile public words to those actions, because sadly, just actions tend to be nuanced for the Palin crowd.
 
2012-06-02 01:56:19 PM

Cataholic: Wow..that blog is full of fail. The statute in question says no such thing.


Meh, the law accepts that sea levels will rise, but is somewhat denialist that it would rise faster than it has in the past, ignoring the possibility of increasing global warming quickening the rates of the sea.
 
2012-06-02 01:56:21 PM

Cataholic: Wow..that blog is full of fail. The statute in question says no such thing.


The law the blog was referencing specifically states that the rate of ocean level rise shall be calculated using a linear rate based on historical data from 1900 to now, not factoring in any anticipated rises in the future. Therefore, the law is telling the scientists how to do the calculation and making it illegal for the scientists to factor in climate-related ocean level rise.

Pretty dumb, I think.
 
2012-06-02 02:06:02 PM
Good! We'll be laughing as their properties are flooded!
 
2012-06-02 02:09:08 PM
I have lived on the Gulf of Mexico for 55 years and the water level on my dock is exactly the same as it was when I was a kid. I ain't skeered.
 
2012-06-02 02:11:31 PM

UCFRoadWarrior: rumpelstiltskin: As any scientist will tell you, Nature obeys Laws. Why do liberals hate science?

Maybe it has something to do with "facts". Liberals and facts do not get along, quite often


You are correct. Additionally, unlike you, "Liberals" also believe that rape is a criminal act even when is done to underage immigrants.
 
2012-06-02 02:12:06 PM
www.dvdtimes.co.uk

Don't worry, these rumors of Hy-Brazil sinking are just that- rumors!
 
2012-06-02 02:13:13 PM
The difference between high class whores and low class whores is that the high class whores value privacy and close the door when servicing North Carolina land speculators. Low class whores make their actions as public as they can. And they charge less, too.
 
2012-06-02 02:15:09 PM
This image is from Tides And Currents -- NOAA

i.imgur.com

Can someone explain to me what the deal is with Virginia, Delaware, Maryland, New Jersey?

They've been experiencing 1 to 2 feet of sea level rise per century.

Is that nature, or is that industrialization?

Same thing with the eastern and southern Gulf of Mexico. A big trend of Yellows and Oranges next to a big trend of Green.

What causes different amounts of sea level rise over what seems to be a fairly short distance?
 
2012-06-02 02:17:18 PM
When ice melts, the volume decreases and the level stays the same. Ice is less dense than liquid water. In ice, the water molecules are packed in an ordered structure, caused by hydrogen bonding, with a lot of room in-between the molecules. If it melts, some of the water moves into the free room in the crystalline structure. No rise in water level.

5th grade science.
 
2012-06-02 02:20:30 PM

RoyBatty: What causes different amounts of sea level rise over what seems to be a fairly short distance?



The land is sinking in some areas and rising in others. The ocean is mostly level (but still rising).
 
2012-06-02 02:21:06 PM

The water was cold: When ice melts, the volume decreases and the level stays the same. Ice is less dense than liquid water. In ice, the water molecules are packed in an ordered structure, caused by hydrogen bonding, with a lot of room in-between the molecules. If it melts, some of the water moves into the free room in the crystalline structure. No rise in water level.

5th grade science.


Uh-huh. 3/10 for effort.
 
2012-06-02 02:21:46 PM
Duke. A few years from now. Still sucks, but smells like bad fish now.

i1055.photobucket.com
 
2012-06-02 02:22:25 PM

The water was cold: When ice melts, the volume decreases and the level stays the same. Ice is less dense than liquid water. In ice, the water molecules are packed in an ordered structure, caused by hydrogen bonding, with a lot of room in-between the molecules. If it melts, some of the water moves into the free room in the crystalline structure. No rise in water level.

5th grade science.


When ice sitting on a land mass, like Greenland or Antarctica, melts, the body of water into which it drains gets deeper. You may learn about that this fall in sixth-grade science.
 
2012-06-02 02:23:00 PM

rumpelstiltskin: As any scientist will tell you, Nature obeys Laws. Why do liberals hate science?


I know this is snark, but I'm feeling pedantic today, so...

Nature doesn't obey laws, we make laws to codify what we observere in nature. So if anything, laws obey nature.
 
2012-06-02 02:24:56 PM

dbaggins: RoyBatty: What causes different amounts of sea level rise over what seems to be a fairly short distance?


The land is sinking in some areas and rising in others. The ocean is mostly level (but still rising).


That doesn't sound like global warming then is the cause of that patch of yellow... ?
 
2012-06-02 02:29:15 PM
"Science is like a blabbermouth who ruins a movie by telling you how it ends! Well I say there are some things we don't want to know! Important things!"
- Ned Flanders
 
2012-06-02 02:34:16 PM

bim1154: UCFRoadWarrior: rumpelstiltskin: As any scientist will tell you, Nature obeys Laws. Why do liberals hate science?

Maybe it has something to do with "facts". Liberals and facts do not get along, quite often

Liberals make up their own facts. Just go to any "Zimmerman/Martin" thread and you'll see.


This makes perfect sense, so long as you take "facts" to mean "what I saw on Fox News." It's true! Liberals don't accept these "facts"! We go out and "make up" our own.

/Our process of "making up" facts is a little different from yours, however.
 
2012-06-02 02:36:19 PM
Well, there is a notion in an obscure corner of physics which states that observation changes the outcome, so if all this climate change came about by observing it, then it helps if you mandate that you're not going to observe it. Right ?

'Listen Nature - we're not looking anymore! So now you can stop changing! You happy?'

'No, we're really not looking!'

'Not now either!'
 
2012-06-02 02:41:24 PM

DontMakeMeComeBackThere: I've seen this headline before, but I've never read TFA until this one - let me guess, it's a waste of breath to point out that they didn't actually outlaw sea level rise?


Yes, indeed, it is a waste of breath as those of us who are mocking them (and by extension, you) are already well aware that they didn't literally outlaw the rise of sea levels themselves, just the accurate measurement of same. We're employing hyperbole.

Wait... let me translate that to conservaspeak:

"Not intended to be a factual statement."
 
2012-06-02 03:18:46 PM

RoyBatty: dbaggins: RoyBatty: What causes different amounts of sea level rise over what seems to be a fairly short distance?


The land is sinking in some areas and rising in others. The ocean is mostly level (but still rising).

That doesn't sound like global warming then is the cause of that patch of yellow... ?


I disagree with dbaggins, the NOAA page suggests they have made some attempts to correct for land movement. I think the main reason for local differences is that the available tide gauges stations have reported data over different time periods. For example the Chesapeake Bay station (only red arrow on your map screenshot, 6.05mm/yr) reported between 1985 and 2011, whereas the neighbouring Portsmouth station (3.76mm/yr) reported between 1935 and 1987.

The global rate of sea level change has been ~1.8mm/yr over the past 100 years, and ~3mm/yr over the past 20 years (when we have satellite measurements). Attribution is difficult as we look back further in time, due to lack of observational data (ocean temperature profiles, glacier mass balances) but most assessments suggest the majority of sea level rise over the past few decades has a climatic cause.
 
2012-06-02 03:42:23 PM
Still waiting for something like Miami to start going underwater since it is right at sea level. Until then, leave your "predications" to yourself since they have no data to prove them.
 
2012-06-02 08:21:42 PM

BooCollins: Still waiting for something like Miami to start going underwater since it is right at sea level. Until then, leave your "predications" to yourself since they have no data to prove them.


sooo, wake you up when it's already an irreversible disaster ?

gotcha.

remind me not to drive with you.
 
2012-06-09 09:34:57 PM
Still open for comments a full week later? A glitch in the Matrix for threads that are greenlit and then redlit?
 
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