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2012-06-02 02:40:48 PM
In my experience in working for a University, athletics departments don't seem to be a separate entity from the university proper. The academic programs benefit from ticket sales, and student fees pay, in part, for the various athletics programs.

A wealthy student receives a $54,000 scholarship because he can throw or catch a ball well. That's great that he can play a sport particularly well. (53rd-ranked CB in the nation? Fantastic; good for him.) Does he need it? Nope. I could make disparaging comments here, but I won't. I could claim that if this kid is so good he's going to be picked up by an NFL franchise in a year and blow his one year of college education by going pro, so what use is it to UCLA to pay out for him?

The fact of the matter is this: The university paid for at least part of that scholarship (while, yes, the athletics department paid for the remainder of it by shaking down the booster clubs, ticket sales, etc.). What the university paid to give this kid a scholarship he didn't need could have paid for new computers in the library, or helped to pay for a professor's research into a new book.

But I guess that's all irrelevant when they can pack a stadium six times a year for people to watch Puff Diddy Daddy Farty Licky's son to sit on the bench.
 
2012-06-02 02:46:10 PM

dugitman: // in fact i could never figure out what he "does" to be worth half a billion


It seems that if you're a famous rapper, that people will buy your clothing, and people will want to come to your studios that you own to record for your record company.
 
2012-06-02 03:14:50 PM

Gonz: Did the kid earn the athletic scholarship on his own merits? If so, then I don't care about his father's net worth.


Many high end schools no longer have scholarships based on merit (harvard, princeton, caltech, stanford) are are only needs based.

it makes no sense to give a scholarship based on how well a person plays a game.
 
2012-06-02 03:22:04 PM

maram500: . What the university paid to give this kid a scholarship he didn't need could have paid for new computers in the library, or helped to pay for a professor's research into a new book.


While that's true, the NCAA allows x number of scholarships per sport. No college is going to short itself on scholarship athletes. Even if they had offered it to another athlete instead of Combs, it would have gone to an athlete - not to the library or professors.
 
2012-06-02 03:50:59 PM

Mr. Right: maram500: . What the university paid to give this kid a scholarship he didn't need could have paid for new computers in the library, or helped to pay for a professor's research into a new book.

While that's true, the NCAA allows x number of scholarships per sport. No college is going to short itself on scholarship athletes. Even if they had offered it to another athlete instead of Combs, it would have gone to an athlete - not to the library or professors.


I for one would be happy even if UCLA had given the scholarship to another athlete--one that wouldn't have been able to attend college without it. Most of my rage is related to the idea of giving scholarships to kids who don't need it.
 
2012-06-02 04:01:35 PM

maram500: In my experience in working for a University, athletics departments don't seem to be a separate entity from the university proper. The academic programs benefit from ticket sales, and student fees pay, in part, for the various athletics programs.



This has to vary by the university.

At Georgia Tech, competitive sports were under the Athletic Association, and student athletic and fitness stuff came out of student activity fees. Yes, the GT Athletic Association was part of GT--and we students had to move our cars out of all the parking lots the AA could sell for money on game days (aaargh) but we got into the games for free (yay!)

But pretty much ticket revenue and parking revenue and all that shiat---the Athletic Association was doing a damn good job of paying its own way.

So you may have been someplace where the school's athletic program wasn't good enough to run in the black and had to be subsidized by student fees, but don't assume that every other university athletics program is like that.

The i$ $eriou$ $olven$y in college $port$.
 
2012-06-02 04:28:00 PM

what_now: blankmangedeux: sniffs....

smells like racism from here..... nobody said shiat when rich white men's sons accepted scholarships....


No it doesn't. Race has nothing to do with this story. Stop it.

bullshiat -- troll backwards for the last 50 years and find any similar story showing 'outrage' that a rich white son accepted any scholarship....
 
2012-06-02 04:46:41 PM
Mr.Tangent 2012-06-02 11:44:17 AM

The_Original_Roxtar: oh noes, some kid with rich parents managed to achieve something through his own merit! TEH HORROR!

This.

And this is why I can't support the "occupy" people. If it was just about fighting corruption I'd be behind them but it seems that only 1% of the 99% thinks that way, the other 99% of the 99% are just jealous idiots.


Your logic is flawed. The parent comment has absolutely nothing to do with your reasoning that a liberal movement like the Occupy movement would object to a kid earning their own way despite rich parents.

If anything, it's conservatives who demand special privileges for what they see as moral superiority to everyone else, even if their morality includes discrimination, bigotry and a survival of the fittest mentality that threatens to destroy us all.

I get that you see this as "sure enough some liberal has a problem with this" and liberals would see it as "sure enough some conservative has a problem with this" but I think we need to see this as "haters gonna hate" and maybe the media just making shiat up.

Learn to think critically, not just blame who you see as the enemy.
 
2012-06-02 04:56:55 PM

Julie Cochrane: maram500: In my experience in working for a University, athletics departments don't seem to be a separate entity from the university proper. The academic programs benefit from ticket sales, and student fees pay, in part, for the various athletics programs.



This has to vary by the university.

At Georgia Tech, competitive sports were under the Athletic Association, and student athletic and fitness stuff came out of student activity fees. Yes, the GT Athletic Association was part of GT--and we students had to move our cars out of all the parking lots the AA could sell for money on game days (aaargh) but we got into the games for free (yay!)

But pretty much ticket revenue and parking revenue and all that shiat---the Athletic Association was doing a damn good job of paying its own way.

So you may have been someplace where the school's athletic program wasn't good enough to run in the black and had to be subsidized by student fees, but don't assume that every other university athletics program is like that.

The i$ $eriou$ $olven$y in college $port$.


I've attended and worked for three different universities, two of which had major athletics programs. Of the three, all schools required students to pay fees that went to the athletics program. These were schools heavily subsidized by the state, and state funds went into ever department and program--including athletics. But over the past several years, as the budget provided by the state has been slashed repeatedly, the only programs not affected were athletics programs.

What I'm saying: In my experience (and ymmv), I believe that unless an athletics program can demonstrate that it needs to suck zero dollars from a school's general fund, they really shouldn't be providing scholarships to students whose families can easily pay for their education.
 
2012-06-02 05:06:17 PM

maram500: Mr. Right: maram500: . What the university paid to give this kid a scholarship he didn't need could have paid for new computers in the library, or helped to pay for a professor's research into a new book.

While that's true, the NCAA allows x number of scholarships per sport. No college is going to short itself on scholarship athletes. Even if they had offered it to another athlete instead of Combs, it would have gone to an athlete - not to the library or professors.

I for one would be happy even if UCLA had given the scholarship to another athlete--one that wouldn't have been able to attend college without it. Most of my rage is related to the idea of giving scholarships to kids who don't need it.


Athletic scholarships are based strictly on what the coach and recruiting staff think of as that student's ability. Rich kids might know how to play as well as a poor kid. In college athletics, the athletic scholarship is a mark of the student's perceived qualifications. Anyone not a scholarship athlete is a walk on. That's a lower class of athlete in the minds of most.

The idea of scholarships, academic or athletic, is based on merit, not need. Poorer students qualify for Pell grants and other types of aid.
 
2012-06-02 05:43:25 PM

ha-ha-guy: It's kind of a dick move in regards to team actually. The number of scholarships you can give is capped. Historically players who have a rich parent are offered a scholarship as a sign of respect, but they decline it and walk on. Then the team can go offer a scholarship to another person and basically get a free player on the roster.

If Diddy was paying his kids way, the team could go make a run at another highly rated prospect and get another warm body to help them win games.

hb0mb: Who ends up paying for athletic scholarships? I'm genuinely curious.

The Athletic Department. Either off revenues or shaking boosters down for money


If that were the case, he would pay his way into USC, not UCLA...
 
2012-06-02 06:50:21 PM

Julie Cochrane: maram500: In my experience in working for a University, athletics departments don't seem to be a separate entity from the university proper. The academic programs benefit from ticket sales, and student fees pay, in part, for the various athletics programs.



This has to vary by the university.

At Georgia Tech, competitive sports were under the Athletic Association, and student athletic and fitness stuff came out of student activity fees. Yes, the GT Athletic Association was part of GT--and we students had to move our cars out of all the parking lots the AA could sell for money on game days (aaargh) but we got into the games for free (yay!)

But pretty much ticket revenue and parking revenue and all that shiat---the Athletic Association was doing a damn good job of paying its own way.

So you may have been someplace where the school's athletic program wasn't good enough to run in the black and had to be subsidized by student fees, but don't assume that every other university athletics program is like that.

The i$ $eriou$ $olven$y in college $port$.


there are lots of other ways students are dicked with athletics. the university of oregon leased the land for it's student athlete only facility for 1 farking dollar, and the parking department used all the money for student parking for a few underground vip spots in the new arena.

don't think for a second the rest of the university doesn't fark over the students to keep in good favor with athletics.
 
2012-06-02 08:40:04 PM

BlippityBleep: Julie Cochrane: maram500: In my experience in working for a University, athletics departments don't seem to be a separate entity from the university proper. The academic programs benefit from ticket sales, and student fees pay, in part, for the various athletics programs.



This has to vary by the university.

At Georgia Tech, competitive sports were under the Athletic Association, and student athletic and fitness stuff came out of student activity fees. Yes, the GT Athletic Association was part of GT--and we students had to move our cars out of all the parking lots the AA could sell for money on game days (aaargh) but we got into the games for free (yay!)

But pretty much ticket revenue and parking revenue and all that shiat---the Athletic Association was doing a damn good job of paying its own way.

So you may have been someplace where the school's athletic program wasn't good enough to run in the black and had to be subsidized by student fees, but don't assume that every other university athletics program is like that.

The i$ $eriou$ $olven$y in college $port$.

there are lots of other ways students are dicked with athletics. the university of oregon leased the land for it's student athlete only facility for 1 farking dollar, and the parking department used all the money for student parking for a few underground vip spots in the new arena.

don't think for a second the rest of the university doesn't fark over the students to keep in good favor with athletics.


Mean time, the dorms are completely filled up, tuition prices are going up again (especially out-of-state) and half of the buildings are falling apart. But fark yeah, we have a new monstrosity of a basketball arena!
 
2012-06-02 08:42:06 PM
3.75 GPA in high school?? Don't High School GPAs go up to like 16.0 or 17.0???
 
2012-06-02 10:20:13 PM
iSadly, the new motto in this country has become "success will be punished at every opportunity." Damn, the young man worked hard in both the classroom and the football field and there just has to be someone, to find something to biatch about.

While Puffy might not be my cup of tea, but by the looks of it, he didn't get to where he is by biatching about other people's success.
 
2012-06-03 12:32:59 AM

caramba421: The average unweighted GPA for admission to UCLA is 3.88. Including advanced placement courses weighted above 4, the average is 4.38.


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For a UC school? You'd think the students would have a higher BAC than GPA.


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2012-06-03 01:58:49 AM

caramba421: Gleeman: 3.75 is a bad GPA now? Huh.

The average unweighted GPA for admission to UCLA is 3.88. Including advanced placement courses weighted above 4, the average is 4.38.

UCLA Admissions Statistics

Athletic programs are bullshiat in general. Resources that should be used on the brightest young men and women are re-allocated to kids who have a good arm.


So the university can keep tuition lower for those without a good arm.

Harvard is so cheap to attend because their stellar athletic department subsidizes tuition. Oh wait, just opposite. my bad.
 
2012-06-03 03:36:47 AM
Chances are, the kid is being used for publicity, tickets sales and all that. Earned it? Sure... We have a bench for you to sit on all season even!
 
2012-06-03 05:58:10 AM
he plays football and is highly recruited.. I mean come on already he earned it like everyone else..in fact I got respect he is even doing anything productive. personally I.would be in an out of jail like a little badass
 
2012-06-03 07:13:43 AM
I doubt this is common. Many schools get way wity listing tuition in the range of tens of thousands of dollars per year because it's assumed that the kids with rich parents will students with my family's level of wealth will not. If you use your education to get rich, you "give back" by paying full tuition when your kids go to school. If you're aready rich, you suck it up and pay your share.

It's hard to get outraged over some football player (at someone else's school, even) taking up a athletic scholarship that would have gone to an athlete anyway, though. He's hurting someone, yes, but he's not hurting someone particularly deserving. The final athletic scholarship probably would have gone to some bench player with a trashy GPA and no future. If that kid has to take out loans to attend school now instead of skating by while the other students subsidize his room and board and transportation and free "tutoring," I'm not shedding tears for him.

You can look at it from this perspective, too: the rich kid is slightly dumb for a UCLA student but smart for a football player, and so giving him a football scholarship means admitting one slightly dumb student and, probably, one smart student paying tuition. If the rich kid declines the scholarship, the university lets in a slightly dumb student paying tuition and a drooling moron to take the now-available football scholarship. How is that better for anyone except the drooling moron?
 
2012-06-03 09:27:10 AM
Regardless of what you do in life every1 is gonna have their own opinion. ... Stay focused, keep that tunnel vision & never 4get why u started."

3.75 GPA, huh?
 
2012-06-03 11:14:26 AM

LemSkroob: Regardless of what you do in life every1 is gonna have their own opinion. ... Stay focused, keep that tunnel vision & never 4changet why iu started."

3.75 GPA, huh?

 
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