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2012-06-02 10:26:05 AM
Holy fark people.. WHY IS THIS STILL EVEN AN ISSUE? We have a country that is still working its way out of the credit crisis, a health care system horribly out of whack, a very serious dependence on foreign oil, at least one actual war going on and many other more important things going on why are we as a country so caught up in this??

If two people love each other wanna get married ffs just let them! Seriously, why the shiat is anyone against this? Do people really think if it becomes legal all the married men in the country will reveal that they are sekrit gays and leave their wives to go marry each other? And don't give me the religion angle, at least not Christianity, because nowhere in the bible is Jesus ever directly quoted as saying gay marriage is wrong (he sure does talk about love and respect a lot and recognizing gay marriage sure would be a good way to respect the love between two women or two men).

I really wish we could just legalize gay marriage country wide and move on to building a financially sound, militarily strong and environmentally healthy country
 
2012-06-02 10:26:29 AM

Weaver95: we're closer to Great Depression 2.0 than ever before...and conservatives waste their time on gay marriage? WTF man...have a sense of priority!


GAY PEOPLE ARE THE BIGGEST THREAT TO ARE COUNTRY TODAY!!!!
 
2012-06-02 10:28:24 AM
Also, target sells munchkin, this makes it slightly cooler
 
2012-06-02 10:32:41 AM
Why are conservatives attacking the free market? Why do they hate America?
 
2012-06-02 10:33:54 AM

strapp3r: rynthetyn: strapp3r: the desperation is getting stinky.
"but we're not homo-phobic" doesn't sell. the rash of trolling preachers calling for death to teh gheyz is what is really cooking for the fundies.
and "but the bible says..." has also worn thin. just ask one why god used to do interviews and when he did: slavery was cool, shaving wasn't, no ostrich or pork on the menu, the red tent, no-iron cotton/poly shirts are sinful, etc. etc.
the rats are making themselves known.

I'm pretty sure the trolling preachers aren't a new thing, the only thing that's new is them ending up on the intarwebs for the crazy stuff they're saying. At my expensive private Presbyterian college where I went for undergrad, in one of the freshman core courses we actually debated in class whether enacting Old Testament civil law, including the stoning the gays bit, was a valid political position to take (the professor I took for the class made little effort to hide the fact that he hated having to cover that part of the class, but there were people who thought it a valid view).

i don't doubt this has always gone on to certain extents in certain churches. personally, methinks the preacher ladies doth protest too much and just want to be interviewed by Anderson Cooper or sit on a couch with Matt Lauer


Anderson Cooper's blue eyes are so dreamy....
 
2012-06-02 10:37:44 AM
My state embarrasses me sometimes. this is one of those times.

the only thing that shall happen if Gays get the right to marry is that they will get married. it will not cheapen heterosexual marriage in any way except in the minds of narrow minded people,
 
2012-06-02 10:38:23 AM

BarkingUnicorn: Earpj: Crap. Looks like I have to go shopping at Target today. I can really piss off some Texans wearing those shirts in my town.

Sounds like fun.

I read elsewhere that these shirts are only available online.


Hmm...well that would suck. I'll go check anyway.
 
2012-06-02 10:40:39 AM

grimlock1972: My state embarrasses me sometimes. this is one of those times.

the only thing that shall happen if Gays get the right to marry is that they will get married. it will not cheapen heterosexual marriage in any way except in the minds of narrow minded people,


Yea, i'm trying to figure that part out. Are homosexuals responsible for getting heterosexuals who divorced and remarried multiple times, are they responsible for ass clowns cheating on their spouses with coworkers, are they responsible for abusive relationships?

I'm guessing mind you, but i'm certain I'm correct that the answer is no.
 
2012-06-02 10:41:35 AM

strapp3r: rynthetyn: strapp3r: the desperation is getting stinky.
"but we're not homo-phobic" doesn't sell. the rash of trolling preachers calling for death to teh gheyz is what is really cooking for the fundies.
and "but the bible says..." has also worn thin. just ask one why god used to do interviews and when he did: slavery was cool, shaving wasn't, no ostrich or pork on the menu, the red tent, no-iron cotton/poly shirts are sinful, etc. etc.
the rats are making themselves known.

I'm pretty sure the trolling preachers aren't a new thing, the only thing that's new is them ending up on the intarwebs for the crazy stuff they're saying. At my expensive private Presbyterian college where I went for undergrad, in one of the freshman core courses we actually debated in class whether enacting Old Testament civil law, including the stoning the gays bit, was a valid political position to take (the professor I took for the class made little effort to hide the fact that he hated having to cover that part of the class, but there were people who thought it a valid view).

i don't doubt this has always gone on to certain extents in certain churches. personally, methinks the preacher ladies doth protest too much and just want to be railed by Anderson Cooper and Matt Lauer.

 
2012-06-02 10:42:53 AM
mat catastrophe

Why are conservatives attacking the free market? Why do they hate America?

They aren't attacking it. This is how free market works, you can choose for whatever reasons whether to patronize (not patronize) a business. That said, if they boycott Target over some clothes supporting Gay Rights, it would be as stupid as Gay people boycotting Target because they gave to a PAC, for fiscal reasons, that just happened to be pro Defense of Marriage.
 
2012-06-02 10:45:24 AM
One Million Moms? More like One Million Farking Busy Bodies.
 
2012-06-02 10:46:00 AM
loonatic112358 Yea, i'm trying to figure that part out. Are homosexuals responsible for getting heterosexuals who divorced and remarried multiple times, are they responsible for ass clowns cheating on their spouses with coworkers, are they responsible for abusive relationships?

Yeah, this argument never made sense to me. How are gays getting married a threat to me? I've long supported letting gays get married. Let them have all the benefits............and the drawbacks.

(surprise surprise to all of you who thought I was a die hard conservative. I'm only fiscally conservative.)
 
2012-06-02 10:46:41 AM
"Target is attacking traditional marriage, which is an incredibly misguided thing for them to have done," said Chuck Darrell, spokesman for Minnesota for Marriage, a group campaigning to pass the constitutional marriage amendment. "It's an insult to the overwhelming majority of their customers."

Oh, go breathe into a bag, you hyperventilating douchebag...

/Preferably a plastic one, wrapped very tightly around your head...
 
2012-06-02 10:47:19 AM
FTFA"Target is attacking traditional marriage, which is an incredibly misguided thing for them to have done,"

Can someone remind me again how supporting Gay rights attacks Traditional Marriage? What damage is caused to the marriage of Tom and Diane by allowing Steve and Paul, or Nancy and Rebecca getting married?
 
2012-06-02 10:48:37 AM
Promoting love and tolerance?!

Well, that's not very Christian.
 
2012-06-02 10:49:08 AM

Earpj: Crap. Looks like I have to go shopping at Target today. I can really piss off some Texans wearing those shirts in my town.

Sounds like fun.


Or they'll just think you're a really big Beatles fan. Which, to be fair, might get you some gentle mockery in certain parts of Texas.

// "Things We Said Today" chorus features the phrase prominently, in case the reference isn't obvious to any of FARK's young whippersnappers.
 
2012-06-02 10:53:18 AM

Earpj: Crap. Looks like I have to go shopping at Target today. I can really piss off some Texans wearing those shirts in my town.

Sounds like fun.


Why would you want to piss of Texans who are wearing those shirts?
 
2012-06-02 10:55:20 AM

Weaver95: we're closer to Great Depression 2.0 than ever before...and conservatives waste their time on gay marriage? WTF man...have a sense of priority!


Consider for a moment,,
Times are different that GD1.0.
Depression is also different, and fully qualifies for GD2.0.
I know I am Depressed. And all around me I see Depression.
I figure this is a Great Depression, just relabled by bailed-out Princes.
 
2012-06-02 10:56:14 AM
"It's an insult to the overwhelming majority of their customers."

Not that logic would ever enter these minds, but, assuming the statement was made due to the fact that the majority of people are hetero, he would be wrong to assume the majority of people think the way he does.

/lots and lots of straights give a shiat less
//it's a scientific fact, so no citation needed
 
2012-06-02 10:56:17 AM

Earpj: Crap. Looks like I have to go shopping at Target today. I can really piss off some Texans wearing those shirts in my town.

Sounds like fun.


My boyfriend and I wouldn't be caught dead in one of those ugly shirts. Couldn't Target hire the guy that designs their corner tables to design the shirts?

/however I have given money to local marriage equality causes
 
2012-06-02 11:02:03 AM

HoneyDog: loonatic112358 Yea, i'm trying to figure that part out. Are homosexuals responsible for getting heterosexuals who divorced and remarried multiple times, are they responsible for ass clowns cheating on their spouses with coworkers, are they responsible for abusive relationships?

Yeah, this argument never made sense to me. How are gays getting married a threat to me? I've long supported letting gays get married. Let them have all the benefits............and the drawbacks.

(surprise surprise to all of you who thought I was a die hard conservative. I'm only fiscally conservative.)


Yep, because seeing teh gheys get hitched immediately makes me want to renounce my vows, take half my husband's shiat, and go run off with another girl. Just toss my total ten years of relationship down the tubes....I have a friend from high school is so adoring of his BF, I'd love to attend their wedding. It'd be great for my antics to piss off the fundies and Tom to roll his eyes and say, ever so politely, "I'm sorry, that's just my weird straight friend". Too bad we all live in TX and that ain't gonna happen any time soon.

I'm actually thinking this would be great for the economy too.... Local restaurants and venues getting a shiat-ton of events booked, local bridal and tux shops getting more business, florists, wedding planners, etc.
 
2012-06-02 11:03:41 AM
oh yes, bring IT! If you don't like gay marriage, that's quite ok. In fact, it's your right to do so and it's my responsibility to do what I can to ensure that your opinion is changed only in a positive and natural way. That is part of the social contract and one I'm happy for. What ISN'T your right, is to add legislation or a constitutional amendment that denies rights to people based on something so arbitrary as sexual preference (who cares regarding "nature versus nurture"). When you try to stop someone from doing something YOU can already legally do, you completely miss the point of democracy and really need a goddamn civics lesson. So, let's review:

1) Hating people: ok
2) Denying rights YOU enjoy to those people because of your hate: not ok

PS: Dear Target... well done.
 
2012-06-02 11:04:44 AM

gingerjet: Earpj: Crap. Looks like I have to go shopping at Target today. I can really piss off some Texans wearing those shirts in my town.

Sounds like fun.

My boyfriend and I wouldn't be caught dead in one of those ugly shirts. Couldn't Target hire the guy that designs their corner tables to design the shirts?

/however I have given money to local marriage equality causes


You want a barking, sweaty Chinese overlord, who oversees, and punishes hundreds of malnourished, underpaid villagers slapping together cheap pressboard tables to design clothes?
 
2012-06-02 11:05:32 AM

tuffsnake: Holy fark people.. WHY IS THIS STILL EVEN AN ISSUE? We have a country that is still working its way out of the credit crisis, a health care system horribly out of whack, a very serious dependence on foreign oil, at least one actual war going on and many other more important things going on why are we as a country so caught up in this??

If two people love each other wanna get married ffs just let them! Seriously, why the shiat is anyone against this? Do people really think if it becomes legal all the married men in the country will reveal that they are sekrit gays and leave their wives to go marry each other? And don't give me the religion angle, at least not Christianity, because nowhere in the bible is Jesus ever directly quoted as saying gay marriage is wrong (he sure does talk about love and respect a lot and recognizing gay marriage sure would be a good way to respect the love between two women or two men).

I really wish we could just legalize gay marriage country wide and move on to building a financially sound, militarily strong and environmentally healthy country


That's what I came here to say.

/Other than "militarily strong". We just need a deterrent in case some other big dick country gets uppity and we already have that strongly enough. We as citizens spend FAR too much on our oversized military as it is.
 
2012-06-02 11:06:30 AM
Some very smart retailer is gonna make a bundle marketing to "traditional family values". If the voting majority in 32 states supported marriage amendments, that's a huge potential market for a retailer to pick up and lock in by targeting (no pun intended) their advertising - and a small market segment to lose. Done right, that retailer could really hurt Target and Penny (not that Penny has much to lose anyway).
 
2012-06-02 11:07:47 AM

gingerjet: Earpj: Crap. Looks like I have to go shopping at Target today. I can really piss off some Texans wearing those shirts in my town.

Sounds like fun.

My boyfriend and I wouldn't be caught dead in one of those ugly shirts. Couldn't Target hire the guy that designs their corner tables to design the shirts?

/however I have given money to local marriage equality causes


The only rainbow themed shirt I've ever seen that I didn't hate is the one that Threadless has with a Tyrannosaurus Rex shooting a rainbow out of its mouth. But then, I do have a hipster streak/
 
2012-06-02 11:08:27 AM

blueviking: Yep, because seeing teh gheys get hitched immediately makes me want to renounce my vows, take half my husband's shiat, and go run off with another girl. Just toss my total ten years of relationship down the tubes....I have a friend from high school is so adoring of his BF, I'd love to attend their wedding. It'd be great for my antics to piss off the fundies and Tom to roll his eyes and say, ever so politely, "I'm sorry, that's just my weird straight friend". Too bad we all live in TX and that ain't gonna happen any time soon.I'm actually thinking this would be great for the economy too.... Local restaurants and venues getting a shiat-ton of events booked, local bridal and tux shops getting more business, florists, wedding planners, etc


Move south to houston then
 
2012-06-02 11:10:54 AM
I was just about to head to Target for a wedding shower gift.

I hope my marriage somehow survives this attack while I'm there.
 
2012-06-02 11:13:45 AM

BlameBush: Some very smart retailer is gonna make a bundle marketing to "traditional family values". If the voting majority in 32 states supported marriage amendments, that's a huge potential market for a retailer to pick up and lock in by targeting (no pun intended) their advertising - and a small market segment to lose. Done right, that retailer could really hurt Target and Penny (not that Penny has much to lose anyway).


I doubt it. Votes are anonymous, so people can vote their hatred and bigotry with no one the wiser. I don't think most people want to be seen wearing clothing that expresses those sentiments.
 
2012-06-02 11:19:58 AM

DarwiOdrade: BlameBush: Some very smart retailer is gonna make a bundle marketing to "traditional family values". If the voting majority in 32 states supported marriage amendments, that's a huge potential market for a retailer to pick up and lock in by targeting (no pun intended) their advertising - and a small market segment to lose. Done right, that retailer could really hurt Target and Penny (not that Penny has much to lose anyway).

I doubt it. Votes are anonymous, so people can vote their hatred and bigotry with no one the wiser. I don't think most people want to be seen wearing clothing that expresses those sentiments.


THIS. There's certainly money to be made in selling confederate flag and swastika paraphernalia, but it doesn't put Target at risk.
 
2012-06-02 11:27:50 AM
Imagine the dickless fools who are married to these harpies. "Two month's salary? Why not? And Yes dear, I never really liked blowjobs anyway".
 
2012-06-02 11:29:06 AM
"Target is attacking traditional marriage, which is an incredibly misguided thing for them to have done," said Chuck Darrell, spokesman for Minnesota for Marriage, a group campaigning to pass the constitutional marriage amendment. "It's an insult to the overwhelming majority of their customers."

Except for the fact that most people are cool with gay marriage, you ignorant twit.
 
2012-06-02 11:29:07 AM
That's It! I'm marrying my cat!
 
2012-06-02 11:29:28 AM

SoxSweepAgain: /Other than "militarily strong". We just need a deterrent in case some other big dick country gets uppity and we already have that strongly enough. We as citizens spend FAR too much on our oversized military as it is.


It would be an improvement.
 
2012-06-02 11:30:37 AM

Ooba Tooba: You want a barking, sweaty Chinese overlord, who oversees, and punishes hundreds of malnourished, underpaid villagers slapping together cheap pressboard tables to design clothes?


Ooops ... highlighted the wrong thread ...

It would be an improvement.

/fark needs an edit function
 
2012-06-02 11:31:07 AM

rynthetyn: strapp3r: rynthetyn: strapp3r:

Anderson Cooper's blue eyes are so dreamy....


True dat. I told my MIL I had a crush on him and she looked at me funny. She just didn't understand. Then again she doesn't have TV channels. (Lives in the boonies in a valley, no signal gets through)
 
2012-06-02 11:40:15 AM

snocone: I just love the butthurt suffered by the Unchristians.
Love it!
Masquerade as a Jesus advocate and spew hate?
I do find entertainment and amusement in the butthurt and seriously hope they choke on it.


Jesus is so proud of you right now.
 
2012-06-02 11:43:23 AM
Hey mil moms. Go home and suck a dick. Anything else you're doing with your mouth just annoys people.
ps... please don't breed. Your hatred needs to stop in this generation.

/Epic ignorant coonts.
 
2012-06-02 11:45:07 AM
One Million Tee-Totaling Busy-Bodies
 
2012-06-02 11:50:26 AM
I have gots to get me one of these. This mom will wear it with pride. Oh, and the silver cross I wear everyday will dangle on top of it.

Yeah, yeah the bible says. Here is what this Christian says about that: Who the fark cares? Lot also had sex with his two daughters. . .does that mean incest is ok? Umm. . .no. Therefore, the "sinful" nature of homosexuality as seen in the bible by some (not me) is just as stupid to apply.

Homosexuality is not a sin. Hating people for who they choose to love (not the gender, the specific person) is a sin.
 
2012-06-02 11:51:48 AM
Still haven't had anyone explain to me exactly why it is so important for gays to be able to marry. The argument is that they want the same "rights" that heteros have when they marry. Exactly what "rights" do heteros have when they are married that gays who are not are being denied? Still sounds like gay marriage advocates are using the word "rights" when what they actually are meaning is "benefits".

Simple question- what "rights' are being denied?
 
2012-06-02 11:52:33 AM

BlameBush: Some very smart retailer is gonna make a bundle marketing to "traditional family values". If the voting majority in 32 states supported marriage amendments, that's a huge potential market for a retailer to pick up and lock in by targeting (no pun intended) their advertising - and a small market segment to lose. Done right, that retailer could really hurt Target and Penny (not that Penny has much to lose anyway).


The vast majority of those votes came in 2004. Public opinion has changed dramatically since then. Odds are that Maine, Maryland, and Washington will all have votes this November that break the trend.

Also, businesses know that young people are the biggest consumers and are the future of the economy, and they also know that young people strongly support marriage equality by a huge margin. More than those two points, they know that people are intensely brand-loyal. Companies like Microsoft, Starbucks, JCPenney, and Target are making a great long-term business decision by supporting marriage equality, and so far, none of them are suffering in the short term either.
 
2012-06-02 11:53:33 AM
FTA:"Target is attacking traditional marriage, which is an incredibly misguided thing for them to have done,"

Nobody has yet to explain how two gay people getting married is an "attack on traditional marriage." If two gay people get married does it void all straight marriages? Are they affraid that gay men will be too busy planning their own weddings to plan a straight couples wedding?
 
2012-06-02 11:54:29 AM

3StratMan: Still haven't had anyone explain to me exactly why it is so important for gays to be able to marry. The argument is that they want the same "rights" that heteros have when they marry. Exactly what "rights" do heteros have when they are married that gays who are not are being denied? Still sounds like gay marriage advocates are using the word "rights" when what they actually are meaning is "benefits".

Simple question- what "rights' are being denied?


Google is hard. Since you are too lazy to google I am too lazy to clean up the formatting.


On the order of 1,400 legal rights are conferred upon married couples in the U.S. Typically these are composed of about 400 state benefits and over 1,000 federal benefits. Among them are the rights to:
bullet joint parenting;
bullet joint adoption;
bullet joint foster care, custody, and visitation (including non-biological parents);
bullet status as next-of-kin for hospital visits and medical decisions where one partner is too ill to be competent;
bullet joint insurance policies for home, auto and health;
bullet dissolution and divorce protections such as community property and child support;
bullet immigration and residency for partners from other countries;
bullet inheritance automatically in the absence of a will;
bullet joint leases with automatic renewal rights in the event one partner dies or leaves the house or apartment;
bullet inheritance of jointly-owned real and personal property through the right of survivorship (which avoids the time and expense and taxes in probate);
bullet benefits such as annuities, pension plans, Social Security, and Medicare;
bullet spousal exemptions to property tax increases upon the death of one partner who is a co-owner of the home;
bullet veterans' discounts on medical care, education, and home loans; joint filing of tax returns;
bullet joint filing of customs claims when traveling;
bullet wrongful death benefits for a surviving partner and children;
bullet bereavement or sick leave to care for a partner or child;
bullet decision-making power with respect to whether a deceased partner will be cremated or not and where to bury him or her;
bullet crime victims' recovery benefits;
bullet loss of consortium tort benefits;
bullet domestic violence protection orders;
bullet judicial protections and evidentiary immunity;
bullet and more....

Most of these legal and economic benefits cannot be privately arranged or contracted for. For example, absent a legal (or civil) marriage, there is no guaranteed joint responsibility to the partner and to third parties (including children) in such areas as child support, debts to creditors, taxes, etc. In addition, private employers and institutions often give other economic privileges and other benefits (special rates or memberships) only to married couples. And, of course, when people cannot marry, they are denied all the emotional and social benefits and responsibilities of marriage as well.
 
2012-06-02 11:55:42 AM

3StratMan: Still haven't had anyone explain to me exactly why it is so important for gays to be able to marry. The argument is that they want the same "rights" that heteros have when they marry. Exactly what "rights" do heteros have when they are married that gays who are not are being denied? Still sounds like gay marriage advocates are using the word "rights" when what they actually are meaning is "benefits".

Simple question- what "rights' are being denied?


How about the right to make a public commitment to the person they love with their entire being and want to spend their life with? How about the right to not be told by the government that their most important and treasured relationship isn't real?
 
2012-06-02 11:58:38 AM

3StratMan: Still haven't had anyone explain to me exactly why it is so important for gays to be able to marry. The argument is that they want the same "rights" that heteros have when they marry. Exactly what "rights" do heteros have when they are married that gays who are not are being denied? Still sounds like gay marriage advocates are using the word "rights" when what they actually are meaning is "benefits".

Simple question- what "rights' are being denied?


If they are denied those "benefits" then they are not being treated equally by their Government which means they are being denied their Constitutional Rights such as

The ability to Marry, Loving v Virginia codified the ability to marry as a right
Equal Access, to a government recognized contract
Equal recognition by their Government
Equal treatment by Their Government
The Right to access those Benefits nad Priveleges
 
2012-06-02 12:01:29 PM

jst3p: 3StratMan: Still haven't had anyone explain to me exactly why it is so important for gays to be able to marry. The argument is that they want the same "rights" that heteros have when they marry. Exactly what "rights" do heteros have when they are married that gays who are not are being denied? Still sounds like gay marriage advocates are using the word "rights" when what they actually are meaning is "benefits".

Simple question- what "rights' are being denied?

Google is hard. Since you are too lazy to google I am too lazy to clean up the formatting.


On the order of 1,400 legal rights are conferred upon married couples in the U.S. Typically these are composed of about 400 state benefits and over 1,000 federal benefits. Among them are the rights to:
bullet joint parenting;
bullet joint adoption;
bullet joint foster care, custody, and visitation (including non-biological parents);
bullet status as next-of-kin for hospital visits and medical decisions where one partner is too ill to be competent;
bullet joint insurance policies for home, auto and health;
bullet dissolution and divorce protections such as community property and child support;
bullet immigration and residency for partners from other countries;
bullet inheritance automatically in the absence of a will;
bullet joint leases with automatic renewal rights in the event one partner dies or leaves the house or apartment;
bullet inheritance of jointly-owned real and personal property through the right of survivorship (which avoids the time and expense and taxes in probate);
bullet benefits such as annuities, pension plans, Social Security, and Medicare;
bullet spousal exemptions to property tax increases upon the death of one partner who is a co-owner of the home;
bullet veterans' discounts on medical care, education, and home loans; joint filing of tax returns;
bullet joint filing of customs claims when traveling;
bullet wrongful death benefits for a surviving partner and children;
bullet bereavement or sick l ...


Somebody likes bullets.
 
2012-06-02 12:06:02 PM

3StratMan: Still haven't had anyone explain to me exactly why it is so important for gays to be able to marry. The argument is that they want the same "rights" that heteros have when they marry. Exactly what "rights" do heteros have when they are married that gays who are not are being denied? Still sounds like gay marriage advocates are using the word "rights" when what they actually are meaning is "benefits".

Simple question- what "rights' are being denied?


Oh, you're not even trying. At least put some effort into your trolling.
 
2012-06-02 12:06:38 PM

Serious Black: The vast majority of those votes came in 2004. Public opinion has changed dramatically since then. Odds are that Maine, Maryland, and Washington will all have votes this November that break the trend.


To point out how rapidly things are changing, in 2008 Florida passed a constitutional gay marriage ban by 20 percentage points. While I suspect that it would probably still pass at this point too because of the way that old people dominate the voter turnout, at the same time, in the last few months several of the major metropolitan areas in Florida have passed domestic partnership registries with no controversy worth noting. Four years ago, that definitely would not have happened without a major fight, today not even the Florida Family Association bothered to pitch a fit, or if they did, it wasn't enough of one to get press.
 
2012-06-02 12:07:23 PM

jst3p: 3StratMan: Still haven't had anyone explain to me exactly why it is so important for gays to be able to marry. The argument is that they want the same "rights" that heteros have when they marry. Exactly what "rights" do heteros have when they are married that gays who are not are being denied? Still sounds like gay marriage advocates are using the word "rights" when what they actually are meaning is "benefits".

Simple question- what "rights' are being denied?

Google is hard. Since you are too lazy to google I am too lazy to clean up the formatting.


On the order of 1,400 legal rights are conferred upon married couples in the U.S. Typically these are composed of about 400 state benefits and over 1,000 federal benefits. Among them are the rights to:
bullet joint parenting;
bullet joint adoption;
bullet joint foster care, custody, and visitation (including non-biological parents);
bullet status as next-of-kin for hospital visits and medical decisions where one partner is too ill to be competent;
bullet joint insurance policies for home, auto and health;
bullet dissolution and divorce protections such as community property and child support;
bullet immigration and residency for partners from other countries;
bullet inheritance automatically in the absence of a will;
bullet joint leases with automatic renewal rights in the event one partner dies or leaves the house or apartment;
bullet inheritance of jointly-owned real and personal property through the right of survivorship (which avoids the time and expense and taxes in probate);
bullet benefits such as annuities, pension plans, Social Security, and Medicare;
bullet spousal exemptions to property tax increases upon the death of one partner who is a co-owner of the home;
bullet veterans' discounts on medical care, education, and home loans; joint filing of tax returns;
bullet joint filing of customs claims when traveling;
bullet wrongful death benefits for a surviving partner and children;
bullet bereavement or sick l ...


Yep, looks like "benefits" to me. But I guess you could reword it all and say "rights to obtain benefits". Then it would be more truthful. And more obvious at the intentions of the whole issue.
 
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