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(The New York Times)   Good news: The "digital divide" between rich and poor is closing. Bad news: The poor are using the internet to waste time playing games, posting to Facebook, and watching cat videos   (nytimes.com) divider line 142
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2012-06-02 12:29:46 AM  
So trick them into starting businesses and reading the encyclopedia.
Shouldn't be hard if you're really so clever.
I was poor, but someone tricked me into doing it.
 
2012-06-02 12:42:50 AM  
And spending $5.00 a month for....
 
2012-06-02 12:43:17 AM  
The "divide" is not digital. While the effort to bring access to everyone is laudable and necessary, access does not supply judgment and motivation. Show me the politician who knows how to do that (and I emphatically don't mean "family values" or any other partisan claptrap) and I'll show you the politician who can stem the retreat toward 16th-century-style serfdom.
 
2012-06-02 01:32:43 AM  
children in poorer families are spending considerably more time than children from more well-off families using their television and gadgets to watch shows and videos, play games and connect on social networking sites, studies show.

Duh! Rich kids can turn off their games and go ride their ponies that Mom & Dad bought them.
 
2012-06-02 02:33:17 AM  

Kenny B: children in poorer families are spending considerably more time than children from more well-off families using their television and gadgets to watch shows and videos, play games and connect on social networking sites, studies show.

Duh! Rich kids can turn off their games and go ride their ponies that Mom & Dad bought them.


Or trade stocks with mommy and daddy's money, because who cares? They have more, right?
 
2012-06-02 02:49:51 AM  
It seems like the rich just pay other people to do their internet.
 
2012-06-02 03:24:36 AM  

Wangiss: So trick them into starting businesses and reading the encyclopedia.
Shouldn't be hard if you're really so clever.
I was poor, but someone tricked me into doing it.


cdn.ientry.com

It's good to see you're still working.
 
2012-06-02 03:33:18 AM  

Ed Finnerty: Wangiss: So trick them into starting businesses and reading the encyclopedia.
Shouldn't be hard if you're really so clever.
I was poor, but someone tricked me into doing it.



It's good to see you're still working.


What are the odds? I can't believe it. Here I am, stranded on a desert island. And my only supplies are my favorite book - "All About Rhoda" by Peggy Hertz from Scholastic Press. And my favorite album - Johnny Mathis and Denise Williams: "That's What Friends Are For." I always like to have an ex-lover's music around; Denise is good, too. And, for companionship, the one and only Oscar Wilde. Oscar, say something funny.
 
2012-06-02 05:11:47 AM  

RedPhoenix122: Kenny B: children in poorer families are spending considerably more time than children from more well-off families using their television and gadgets to watch shows and videos, play games and connect on social networking sites, studies show.

Duh! Rich kids can turn off their games and go ride their ponies that Mom & Dad bought them.

Or trade stocks with mommy and daddy's money, because who cares? They have more, right?


It amazes me that Rmoney recalls as a 'time of limited means' when his only income was the interest from his trust fund. *SUCH POVERTY*
 
2012-06-02 05:24:28 AM  
This is an outrage! WHY AREN'T THEY WATCHING PORN?!?!
 
2012-06-02 05:26:51 AM  
The new divide is such a cause of concern for the Federal Communications Commission that it is considering a proposal to spend $200 million to create a digital literacy corps.

We can help them. Farkers, unite!
 
2012-06-02 05:28:01 AM  
Workshy sponging dullards wasting time playing with toys rather than being motivated to use the technology to better themselves? Colour me shocked.
 
2012-06-02 05:29:54 AM  
psst. they are us.
 
2012-06-02 05:30:41 AM  
Could it be that the "poor" are doing things on the internet that keep them poor (i.e. "wasting time") while the "rich" are spending their time doing things that help make them rich?
 
2012-06-02 05:33:54 AM  
Alejandro Zamora, 13, an eighth grader, calls himself "a Facebook freak." His mother, Olivia Montesdeoca, said she liked the idea of him using the computer (until it recently broke) but did not have much luck getting him to use it for homework.

Can we work towards a cure for poor parenting?
 
2012-06-02 05:36:48 AM  

fusillade762: The new divide is such a cause of concern for the Federal Communications Commission that it is considering a proposal to spend $200 million to create a digital literacy corps.

We can help them. Farkers, unite!


i'm too busy watching porn.
 
2012-06-02 05:39:36 AM  
THIS JUST IN... A large portion of teh rich are all about being teh rich!
 
2012-06-02 05:40:07 AM  

hnealg: Could it be that the "poor" are doing things on the internet that keep them poor (i.e. "wasting time") while the "rich" are spending their time doing things that help make them rich?


Yeah, that's possible. Tell you what, Bob with his minimum wage $30k~ year job should go and get a second job instead of wasting time enjoying life. So, great, now he has TWO $30k~ year jobs, and his quality of life is down to shiat since he does almost nothing but work all the time. It's not gonna be long before he starts having some emotional problems.

At $60k, he's still not making as much as a lawyer or software engineer - and those are the "low end" of rich folks.


Look, the gulf is so wide that there's no hope for the poor anymore.
 
2012-06-02 06:03:24 AM  
How is that bad news? Poor-accessible entertainment is, historically, one of the great stabilizing forces for human civilizations. This has been known for quite some time, it's the reason the old panem et circenses political strategy has been a major part of politics since the 700s BCE.

//Probably longer than that, but old Rome was where they named it and started making fun of it. A joke doesn't last 2500 years without some truth backing it up.

//Aware that the Satire wasn't actually from Republican Rome, but too lazy to look up dates.
 
2012-06-02 06:03:29 AM  
children in poorer families are spending considerably more time than children from more well-off families using their television and gadgets to watch shows and videos, play games and connect on social networking sites, studies show.

I call b/s. What I suspect is that "well-off" children have less time because mommy and daddy make sure they either a) lie to the survey takers, or b) have so many other things to do like play soccer (that you have to pay for), baseball (that you have to pay for), after-school programs (paid for), and other non-free things that their poorer peers have more time to do crap online.

Nowhere does it say that these wealthier children are using their computers to buy stocks, do online research, or study harder than the poor kids. Nor does it say HOW MUCH time EITHER group is spending screwing around--if the poor kids are spending 10 hrs. a week and the rich ones are spending 8 hrs. a week, it's not really relevant, you know?
 
2012-06-02 06:04:20 AM  
Didn't read the article, but I chuckled at the cat video bit.
+1 Subby
 
2012-06-02 06:09:19 AM  
Who care about digital device? Whar my Ferrari? Whar?!
 
2012-06-02 06:12:04 AM  

Wangiss: Ed Finnerty: Wangiss: So trick them into starting businesses and reading the encyclopedia.
Shouldn't be hard if you're really so clever.
I was poor, but someone tricked me into doing it.



It's good to see you're still working.

What are the odds? I can't believe it. Here I am, stranded on a desert island. And my only supplies are my favorite book - "All About Rhoda" by Peggy Hertz from Scholastic Press. And my favorite album - Johnny Mathis and Denise Williams: "That's What Friends Are For." I always like to have an ex-lover's music around; Denise is good, too. And, for companionship, the one and only Oscar Wilde. Oscar, say something funny.


The Kids in the Hall? It's too fuzzy in my brain for me to remember if it is or isn't.
 
2012-06-02 06:18:26 AM  
So kids are using computers for entertainment........ is there any other use? If anyone thought giving a poor kid a computer would mean he would immediately become an engineering whiz or a NASA level scientist, they are lacking some little grey cells themselves.

FTFA the rich kids are also spending 10 hours a day on "multimedia" devices, the poor kids 11.5 hours, not that big a difference. Or is the rule that because you are poor you are not allowed to have fun?
 
2012-06-02 06:19:20 AM  

Jim_Callahan: How is that bad news? Poor-accessible entertainment is, historically, one of the great stabilizing forces for human civilizations. This has been known for quite some time, it's the reason the old panem et circenses political strategy has been a major part of politics since the 700s BCE.

//Probably longer than that, but old Rome was where they named it and started making fun of it. A joke doesn't last 2500 years without some truth backing it up.

//Aware that the Satire wasn't actually from Republican Rome, but too lazy to look up dates.


From a caregivers perspective I completely agree with this. You tend to want to keep people with chronic and painful conditions in a good mood,they seem to hurt less when they're in a good mood from what I've experienced taking care of my mother and fiance. People need escapism or else they'd go stir crazy too since if you don't feel well enough to get out of bed you're probably not going to be taking a walk.
 
2012-06-02 06:33:20 AM  

A Terrible Human: From a caregivers perspective I completely agree with this. You tend to want to keep people with chronic and painful conditions in a good mood,they seem to hurt less when they're in a good mood from what I've experienced taking care of my mother and fiance. People need escapism or else they'd go stir crazy too since if you don't feel well enough to get out of bed you're probably not going to be taking a walk.


I'm 52. I'm praying by the time I end up in a home, tech will advanced enough that an attendant can just wheel me into a room, plug me into a machine and let me VR all day. Immerse me into WoW's 30th expansion, let me go into some VR porn palace, or some FPS, feed me through a tube, and wipe my ass once in a while. Then when my body finally shuts down, open the chute and drop me into a furnace.

/paradise
 
2012-06-02 06:40:25 AM  
I work for a TV broadcaster known for it's children's programming. We're always trying to develop new web sites and apps for children to develop their dexterity and other positive things (think apps for Sesame street).

They keep asking me, though: "Is this something your daughter would like"? (she's 3). And I answer: "No, we don't let her play with the computer yet".

The older project managers don't understand. It's like they want all kids over 2 sitting for hours playing their educational games.
 
2012-06-02 06:50:15 AM  

Ed Finnerty: Wangiss: So trick them into starting businesses and reading the encyclopedia.
Shouldn't be hard if you're really so clever.
I was poor, but someone tricked me into doing it.

[cdn.ientry.com image 320x245]

It's good to see you're still working.


He had such beautiful hair.
 
2012-06-02 06:57:13 AM  

Franko: I work for a TV broadcaster known for it's children's programming. We're always trying to develop new web sites and apps for children to develop their dexterity and other positive things (think apps for Sesame street).

They keep asking me, though: "Is this something your daughter would like"? (she's 3). And I answer: "No, we don't let her play with the computer yet".

The older project managers don't understand. It's like they want all kids over 2 sitting for hours playing their educational games.


So basically, you're the frankenfood geneticist who is appalled that people actually buy the stuff you're selling, because you would never buy your own products.... but you're not so appalled you don't get out, because it pays the bills. You get paid, and you get to look down your nose at those who pay for it.
 
2012-06-02 07:02:12 AM  

weave: I'm 52. I'm praying by the time I end up in a home, tech will advanced enough that an attendant can just wheel me into a room, plug me into a machine and let me VR all day. Immerse me into WoW's 30th expansion, let me go into some VR porn palace, or some FPS, feed me through a tube, and wipe my ass once in a while. Then when my body finally shuts down, open the chute and drop me into a furnace.

/paradise



So you're going for quality instead of quantity? I completely agree if you are. Quality is much harder to achieve than quantity though.
 
2012-06-02 07:06:24 AM  
If they're preoccupied on the computer, they're somewhat less likely to break into my house and steal my things. I'm fine with that.

That's my argument in favor of Welfare, too.
 
2012-06-02 07:07:04 AM  

ExperianScaresCthulhu: Franko: I work for a TV broadcaster known for it's children's programming. We're always trying to develop new web sites and apps for children to develop their dexterity and other positive things (think apps for Sesame street).

They keep asking me, though: "Is this something your daughter would like"? (she's 3). And I answer: "No, we don't let her play with the computer yet".

The older project managers don't understand. It's like they want all kids over 2 sitting for hours playing their educational games.

So basically, you're the frankenfood geneticist who is appalled that people actually buy the stuff you're selling, because you would never buy your own products.... but you're not so appalled you don't get out, because it pays the bills. You get paid, and you get to look down your nose at those who pay for it.


You want to know the best part? Before the TV station, I used to work for a military contractor!

/ at this rate my next job will be in a meth lab
 
2012-06-02 07:07:42 AM  
It's like there is some sort of natural, positive feedback loop for people who can focus on matters of importance and delay gratification. Can someone look into this?

/sent from my phone
//on the pooper-multitasking
///i'm low end rich according to starsrift
 
2012-06-02 07:09:02 AM  
Bad news: The poor are using the internet to waste time playing games, posting to Facebook, and watching cat videos


And it's still buuush's fault the "poor" aren't rich. Right moon-bats?
 
2012-06-02 07:16:13 AM  

Franko: I work for a TV broadcaster known for it's children's programming. We're always trying to develop new web sites and apps for children to develop their dexterity and other positive things (think apps for Sesame street).

They keep asking me, though: "Is this something your daughter would like"? (she's 3). And I answer: "No, we don't let her play with the computer yet".

The older project managers don't understand. It's like they want all kids over 2 sitting for hours playing their educational games.


Again, there's nothing wrong as such with a three-year-old dicking around with a computer. Although most educational games require some pre-existing degree of literacy and iirc most three-year-olds can't really read that well... so i'm not sure what they'd get out of it. But still, no worse than giving them a cardboard box to play with. Though personally I'd go with a dog instead, less expensive, harder to break, and easier for a toddler to understand.

But, I mean, I was playing the equivalent of the old super-solver games when I was, what, seven or eight? And whatever cartoon thing was teaching typing those days and so on. I think that educational games were more interesting than the non-educational shiat until I was in my late teens and I realized that you could use them to socialize (aka get dates) or as literature (aka conversational topics for getting dates).
 
2012-06-02 07:25:15 AM  

Ed Finnerty: Wangiss: So trick them into starting businesses and reading the encyclopedia.
Shouldn't be hard if you're really so clever.
I was poor, but someone tricked me into doing it.

[cdn.ientry.com image 320x245]

It's good to see you're still working.


Actually, I have found it real easy to waste a whole afternoon on Wikipedia, you just keep clicking on the links in the articles.

..and TV Tropes and Snopes. The Skeptic's Annotated Bible can be fun, too.

There's lots of sites that are addictive like that.
 
2012-06-02 07:40:02 AM  
While the rich do academic research and software development, right?
 
2012-06-02 07:58:18 AM  
This reminds me of what I told my daughter the other day (she's 7): "most people who dont have anything in life are lazy. People who do have things work, even when they don't want to."

/Poor people are lazy.
//cue the exception-wielding, character assassinating, meek-defenders.
///Spent my entire adult career so far TRYING to help the meek. so STFU in advance.
 
2012-06-02 08:00:26 AM  

Gyrfalcon: I call b/s. What I suspect is that "well-off" children have less time because mommy and daddy make sure they either a) lie to the survey takers, or b) have so many other things to do like play soccer (that you have to pay for), baseball (that you have to pay for), after-school programs (paid for), and other non-free things that their poorer peers have more time to do crap online.


This. Oboe lessons. Math tutoring. SAT tutoring. Underwater basket weaving tutor. The list goes on.


/my wife (from North Dakota) couldn't believe I not only studied for the SATs, but had both a Math and English tutor.
//now I spend my days laughing at cats with funny captions
 
2012-06-02 08:00:53 AM  

markfara: If they're preoccupied on the computer, they're somewhat less likely to break into my house and steal my things. I'm fine with that.

That's my argument in favor of Welfare, too.


That is the best argument for Welfare I know of. I always saw it as rather obvious that if you tell other people the equivalent of "fark you, I got mine I don't care what happens to you" they are just as likely to reply with a "well fark you too then, I don't care about you either and I think I might just help myself to some of your stuff while I am at it".
 
2012-06-02 08:08:09 AM  

hnealg: Could it be that the "poor" are doing things on the internet that keep them poor (i.e. "wasting time") while the "rich" are spending their time doing things that help make them rich?


No, you can't foment class warfare with that kind of talk. It has to be somebody's fault.
 
2012-06-02 08:11:59 AM  
Yeah, that's possible. Tell you what, Bob with his minimum wage $30k~ year job should go and get a second job instead of wasting time enjoying life. So, great, now he has TWO $30k~ year jobs, and his quality of life is down to shiat since he does almost nothing but work all the time. It's not gonna be long before he starts having some emotional problems.

At $60k, he's still not making as much as a lawyer or software engineer - and those are the "low end" of rich folks.


Look, the gulf is so wide that there's no hope for the poor anymore.


What? You think the rich folks have any real quanity of time off for fun? I suppose a portion do once they have gotten to a certain level of achievement. When I was at 30k a year I started sinking every spare dime I had into property, not to flip but to lease back out. That ate up alot of spare time from my "normal" job. Long story made short, after that income started rolling and it took awhile to be sure, I started investing many more hours into my "normal" work, that gained me promotions and recognition there.

I was making that 30k salary 10 years ago, now with salary plus investment income I am almost triple your "low end rich folks" level. Though believe me, 60k is not rich, it may seem so, but you would be mistaken. That is the level your taxes and possibly bad habits start pulling you backwards again if you are not careful. If my pace continues I will retire back to farming at 55. Which is where I started and I only have a high school diploma for an education. Formal education of course, I have mostly used the internet since '95-'96 for a information gathering resource. You can teach yourself an incredible amount in a decade and a half.

/The gulf is caused by their unwillingness to pay the cost of crossing it.
// That price is effort beyond a token.
 
2012-06-02 08:12:43 AM  

lordluzr: It's like there is some sort of natural, positive feedback loop for people who can focus on matters of importance and delay gratification. Can someone look into this?

/sent from my phone
//on the pooper-multitasking
///i'm low end rich according to starsrift


Sure don't feel like it, does it?
 
2012-06-02 08:17:22 AM  

markfara: If they're preoccupied on the computer, they're somewhat less likely to break into my house and steal my things. I'm fine with that.

That's my argument in favor of Welfare, too.


I was heading in a similar self-interested direction and going to say "if it gives them something other than breeding more poor to do..."
 
2012-06-02 08:18:25 AM  

TiiiMMMaHHH: This reminds me of what I told my daughter the other day (she's 7): "most people who dont have anything in life are lazy. People who do have things work, even when they don't want to."

/Poor people are lazy.
//cue the exception-wielding, character assassinating, meek-defenders.
///Spent my entire adult career so far TRYING to help the meek. so STFU in advance.


Sure. And blacks are criminals, and policemen are corrupt brutes, and white males are sexual dysfunctionals with tiny penises.
We can make all the "rules" you want, because we are just talking bullshiat.
Making rules is fun!
 
2012-06-02 08:20:56 AM  

Nidiot: markfara: If they're preoccupied on the computer, they're somewhat less likely to break into my house and steal my things. I'm fine with that.

That's my argument in favor of Welfare, too.

That is the best argument for Welfare I know of. I always saw it as rather obvious that if you tell other people the equivalent of "fark you, I got mine I don't care what happens to you" they are just as likely to reply with a "well fark you too then, I don't care about you either and I think I might just help myself to some of your stuff while I am at it".


The rich are already helping themselves to what other people have, is the thing. Part of 'I got mine' is '... off your backs.' When the poor do it, they are considered a menace; when the rich do it, it's just business, right?
 
2012-06-02 08:23:49 AM  
We can all agree on a couple of things, first the rich have most of the money, the poor have hardly any of the money, it`s sort of the definitions of the two groups. Secondly, money gives power to change your situation and the situation of others around you. It`s why people want it.

So we are in a situation where the people with most of the money (the rich) can dictate whether other groups (the poor) get any chance to change their situation.

yeah, it`s the fault of the poor that they are poor
 
2012-06-02 08:25:09 AM  

TiiiMMMaHHH: /Poor people are lazy.


Or unlucky, or lack foresight, or just aren't that bright. There are more paths to failure than to success, generally speaking.
 
2012-06-02 08:26:48 AM  

TiiiMMMaHHH: This reminds me of what I told my daughter the other day (she's 7): "most people who dont have anything in life are lazy. People who do have things work, even when they don't want to."

/Poor people are lazy.
//cue the exception-wielding, character assassinating, meek-defenders.
///Spent my entire adult career so far TRYING to help the meek. so STFU in advance.


Please tell me how my mother who worked the entire time I was growing up until she was physically unable to is lazy? I considering me taking care of her payback for her giving me life and love. We don't have a ton of money but with how I do the budget we live alright,we wouldn't though if she had to pay for her meds. My fiance has been disabled since he was a child,blind in one eye from an accident and he started having seizures at 9,but he's the antithesis of lazy. Even with glaucoma,epilepsy,cervical spinal stenosis he still tries to do things though I do take the heavy things away from him now considering his neck issues. I've lived in what Ky considers poverty my entire life. Please tell me with how everything is how any of us are lazy. I'd love to have an actual job but there are two people who depend on me everyday from things from medications,help getting up,setting doctors appointments,blahblahblah I could go on forever.
/-1/10
//Still bit because people like you piss me off even if you're trolling.
 
2012-06-02 08:28:02 AM  

Krusty_the_Barbarian: I was making that 30k salary 10 years ago, now with salary plus investment income I am almost triple your "low end rich folks" level....

/The gulf is caused by their unwillingness to pay the cost of crossing it.
// That price is effort beyond a token.


That's great. No, that's not sarcasm, that really is great, for you.

Now can you make this a rule of thumb that would work for anyone? Every person that would've gone into resource jobs like lumber and fish, and manufacturing jobs like autos? All these guys who could drop out of highschool to get a job that suited their abilities, and now those kinds jobs aren't just not hiring, but they're even laying off groups and groups of employees? Well, get an education? Yeah, now we've got people with good educations - and not just arts majors - serving coffee at Starbucks and waiting tables.

Companies hiring for those resource jobs would vary wildly, from 50 to 750, so let's say 200, and let's ignore the current state of the real estate market and pretend it's stabilized and not inflated, so it's somewhat like it was 10 years ago. Could you have 200 guys doing this in every small town in America? How many leasing properties would it take to saturate a market?

I wasn't pegging 60k as low-end rich, I was saying 60k still isn't even close to low-end rich, which I'd clock in at least 90k if not six digits. My point of that was only that the gulf is huge, and demoralizing - and a bit useless for quality of life, which is in the end - unless you're playing the sophomoric game of "more dollars = bigger penis" - the goal. Saying things to the effect of "if poor people used their spare time to work for more money, they wouldn't be poor" is not the sole answer.
 
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