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2012-06-01 07:52:33 PM  
Ummm, someone needs to let the court decide that.
 
2012-06-01 07:59:48 PM  
"Citizen journalists?"

Really?
 
2012-06-01 08:13:03 PM  
Quick note here. Chicago police have been assholes for years, as Daley liked it that way and they stayed that way after he did the world a service by dying. His cops notoriously beat up protestors at the DNC in 1968, and beating up hippies has long been a favorite past time of the right. So, since those are the kind of people who are going to come in here and go 'LIEberals are taking your rights away!' I'm going to ask you that if you have a problem with this, you be consistent and denounce the attacks on all forms of peaceful protest. That would include those protestors as well as modern protesters like OWS, who the right also likes seeing beaten.

Basically, I'm going to ask you to be logically consistent with your outrage at personal rights abuses. If you cannot do that and agree to this, then I humbly ask your hypocritical ignorant ass not post.
 
2012-06-01 08:43:00 PM  
Hasn't the Chicago police been synonymous with corruption since the prohibition days? Whenever I rode through Chicago always just assumed I'd get shaken down if I looked worth while.
 
2012-06-01 08:51:21 PM  
First they came for the LASER pointers, but I said nothing, because who the fark points a LASER pointer at a police helocopter.

Then they came for the cameras...
 
2012-06-01 08:51:48 PM  

Shostie: "Citizen journalists?"

Really?


Yes. What do you find daunting with that concept in the age of FB/Blogger/GeoCities.

Ok, the last one was unrealistic.
 
NFA [TotalFark]
2012-06-01 08:56:30 PM  

Shostie: "Citizen journalists?"

Really?



Are you implying that only someone with a 'journalist's' ID can exercise their first amendment rights?

If YOU are in public, the police may video tape you, record your conversations etc. because THEY claim you have no reason to presume privacy. Fair enough. Then why should the police ever presume they have a right to privacy in a public place? Why should a police officer on duty EVER have a right to privacy (except possibly when he/she is in the restroom) ? This is not an issue of interference, time and time again people are intimidated and arrested when they video record officers from the opposite side of streets and sometimes hundreds of feet away.

Why as a nation do we tolerate a police force which does not want the public to know what it does in public while their salaries are being paid by the taxpayer?

Why do we tolerate police who show up in forces of hundreds of officers, dressed in armor, beating unarmed non-violent protesters. Yet claim they don't have the man power to address small groups of inner city gangs? Why do we tolerate police who arrest people with cameras but look the other way when fellow police officers drive their vehicles in excess of 100 MPH on roads while off duty, drink and drive and abuse their spouses?

Why do we tolerate police officers which show up in a court room en-mass and openly protest the conviction of a police officer who beat to death an unarmed civilian who was not resisting arrest or committing a crime at the time? An act which would have resulted in the imprisonment of any non-officer for contempt of court?

America's police forces are become more and more like the criminal elements they were assembled to deal with. Police officers are acting more and more like gang members, retaliating against officers who report corruption and violations of the law. American "law enforcement" is becoming more and more like Mexican "law enforcement".
 
NFA [TotalFark]
2012-06-01 08:58:29 PM  

GAT_00: Basically, I'm going to ask you to be logically consistent with your outrage at personal rights abuses. If you cannot do that and agree to this, then I humbly ask your hypocritical ignorant ass not post.


Well said.
 
2012-06-01 08:58:52 PM  

2wolves: What do you find daunting with that concept in the age of FB/Blogger


It just seems like a high-falutin' way to say "bloggers."
 
2012-06-01 08:59:29 PM  

NFA: Are you implying that only someone with a 'journalist's' ID can exercise their first amendment rights?


No.
 
2012-06-01 09:03:23 PM  
I wonder how they'd react to a crowd of about a thousand people, all armed with camera phones, filming any abuses they witness.

Can't arrest 'em all. Certainly not before the videos get uploaded to youtube and posted to facebook/twitter.
 
2012-06-01 09:03:24 PM  

GAT_00: Basically, I'm going to ask you to be logically consistent with your outrage at personal rights abuses. If you cannot do that and agree to this, then I humbly ask your hypocritical ignorant ass not post.


Heh, good luck with that.
 
2012-06-01 09:05:17 PM  

SilentStrider: I wonder how they'd react to a crowd of about a thousand people, all armed with camera phones, filming any abuses they witness.

Can't arrest 'em all. Certainly not before the videos get uploaded to youtube and posted to facebook/twitter.


Depends on whether or not they have AT&T!

BOOM! ROASTED!
 
2012-06-01 09:13:40 PM  

GAT_00: Quick note here. Chicago police have been assholes for years, as Daley liked it that way and they stayed that way after he did the world a service by dying. His cops notoriously beat up protestors at the DNC in 1968, and beating up hippies has long been a favorite past time of the right. So, since those are the kind of people who are going to come in here and go 'LIEberals are taking your rights away!' I'm going to ask you that if you have a problem with this, you be consistent and denounce the attacks on all forms of peaceful protest. That would include those protestors as well as modern protesters like OWS, who the right also likes seeing beaten.

Basically, I'm going to ask you to be logically consistent with your outrage at personal rights abuses. If you cannot do that and agree to this, then I humbly ask your hypocritical ignorant ass not post.


Well, someone just killed the thread. I hope you're happy.

/couldn't have said it better myself
 
2012-06-01 09:17:42 PM  

Shostie: 2wolves: What do you find daunting with that concept in the age of FB/Blogger

It just seems like a high-falutin' way to say "bloggers."


Tarnation son, we aint putting on airs or nothing.
 
2012-06-01 09:25:23 PM  

GAT_00: Basically, I'm going to ask you to be logically consistent with your outrage at personal rights abuses. If you cannot do that and agree to this, then I humbly ask your hypocritical ignorant ass not post.


Lets see how that works out.

I imagine

i.imgur.com
 
2012-06-01 09:36:10 PM  
well...I certainly feel safer knowing that a local cop shop in a major metro area believes the 1st amendment is pointless. I mean...america! f*ck ya!
 
2012-06-01 09:42:34 PM  

Don't Troll Me Bro!: Well, someone just killed the thread. I hope you're happy.


I can only hope.
 
2012-06-01 09:51:57 PM  
"Your First Amendment rights can be terminated"

Is what he really wanted to say

/and do
//this is why the trust in our police has plummeted
///well, that and shooting people for no good reason
 
2012-06-01 10:00:33 PM  
I own all the light that bounces off of me.

You are not permitted to use it to excite chemicals or camera chips. It's my light, and I touched it first.
 
2012-06-01 10:04:59 PM  
images.wikia.com
 
2012-06-01 10:10:44 PM  

2wolves: Shostie: "Citizen journalists?"

Really?

Yes. What do you find daunting with that concept in the age of FB/Blogger/GeoCities.

Ok, the last one was unrealistic.


I literally lol'd when I read the word "GeoCities." It just makes me giggle, thinking of the god-awful web layouts and "under construction" gifs we all endured when the Internet was young. Makes me kinda nostalgic for the 90s.
 
2012-06-01 10:14:44 PM  
fark Chicago, let's sell them to China.
 
2012-06-01 10:16:50 PM  

Weaver95: well...I certainly feel safer knowing that a local cop shop in a major metro area believes the 1st amendment is pointless. I mean...america! Amercia f*ck ya!


FTFY
 
2012-06-01 10:16:54 PM  

NFA: Really?


Are you implying that only someone with a 'journalist's' ID can exercise their first amendment rights?

If YOU are in public, the police may video tape you, record your conversations etc. because THEY claim you have no reason to presume privacy. Fair enough. Then why should the police ever presume they have a right to privacy in a public place? Why should a police officer on duty EVER have a right to privacy (except possibly when he/she is in the restroom) ? This is not an issue of interference, time and time again people are intimidated and arrested when they video record officers from the opposite side of streets and sometimes hundreds of feet away.

Why as a nation do we tolerate a police force which does not want the public to know what it does in public while their salaries are being paid by the taxpayer?

Why do we tolerate police who show up in forces of hundreds of officers, dressed in armor, beating unarmed non-violent protesters. Yet claim they don't have the man power to address small groups of inner city gangs? Why do we tolerate police who arrest people with cameras but look the other way when fellow police officers drive their vehicles in excess of 100 MPH on roads while off duty, drink and drive and abuse their spouses?

Why do we tolerate police officers which show up in a court room en-mass and openly protest the conviction of a police officer who beat to death an unarmed civilian who was not resisting arrest or committing a crime at the time? An act which would have resulted in the imprisonment of any non-officer for contempt of court?

America's police forces are become more and more like the criminal elements they were assembled to deal with. Police officers are acting more and more like gang members, retaliating against officers who report corruption and violations of the law. American "law enforcement" is becoming more and more like Mexican "law enforcement".


THIS^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

/the police are spinning out of control
//who do they really serve?
 
2012-06-01 10:17:06 PM  

make me some tea: Ummm, someone needs to let the court decide that.


Court already did. So did DOJ.

Of course, the only people punished will be the taxpayers, when they pony up the cash to pay for the lawsuit.
 
2012-06-01 10:18:25 PM  

Lenny_da_Hog: I own all the light that bounces off of me.

You are not permitted to use it to excite chemicals or camera chips. It's my light, and I touched it first.


Those photons were absorbed by the air molecules around you and completely new photons were produced, I am using those instead.

/not sure if that's accurate but it sounds good
 
2012-06-01 10:18:59 PM  

HMS_Blinkin: 2wolves: Shostie: "Citizen journalists?"

Really?

Yes. What do you find daunting with that concept in the age of FB/Blogger/GeoCities.

Ok, the last one was unrealistic.

I literally lol'd when I read the word "GeoCities." It just makes me giggle, thinking of the god-awful web layouts and "under construction" gifs we all endured when the Internet was young just becoming noticed outside of a select few universities and research centers. Makes me kinda nostalgic for the 90s.


FTFY
 
2012-06-01 10:19:16 PM  
Use of excessive force... has been approved.

/oddly that's my 3rd use of a BB quote today
//in 3 different threads
 
2012-06-01 10:20:56 PM  

NFA: America's police forces are become more and more like the criminal elements they were assembled to deal with. Police officers are acting more and more like gang members, retaliating against officers who report corruption and violations of the law. American "law enforcement" is becoming more and more like Mexican "law enforcement".


Teams, actually. All those big boys who weren't very bright, who only passed because they were on the Football Team, who were good, but not good enough to get a scholarship? Those boys became cops.

Or so I'm told.
 
2012-06-01 10:39:09 PM  

Don't Troll Me Bro!: GAT_00: Quick note here. Chicago police have been assholes for years, as Daley liked it that way and they stayed that way after he did the world a service by dying. His cops notoriously beat up protestors at the DNC in 1968, and beating up hippies has long been a favorite past time of the right. So, since those are the kind of people who are going to come in here and go 'LIEberals are taking your rights away!' I'm going to ask you that if you have a problem with this, you be consistent and denounce the attacks on all forms of peaceful protest. That would include those protestors as well as modern protesters like OWS, who the right also likes seeing beaten.

Basically, I'm going to ask you to be logically consistent with your outrage at personal rights abuses. If you cannot do that and agree to this, then I humbly ask your hypocritical ignorant ass not post.

Well, someone just killed the thread. I hope you're happy.

/couldn't have said it better myself


I know this doesn't work on Fark, but I'm going to do it anyway.

>implying trolls read the thread before threadshiatting

I give Gatt and A for effort, but it's like blowing kisses into a hurricane.
 
2012-06-01 10:43:43 PM  
Chicago residents to police: 42 USC 1982
 
2012-06-01 10:43:44 PM  

Spade: make me some tea: Ummm, someone needs to let the court decide that.

Court already did. So did DOJ.

Of course, the only people punished will be the taxpayers, when they pony up the cash to pay for the lawsuit.


And so we're just supposed to accept that the cops can play Stazi, KGB and Papa Doc all rolled into one, eh? Simply because if they are held accountable their taxpayers have to pony up for them?

How about no?

How about this instead: if the taxpayers get tire of footing the bill, start refusing to pick up the tab for rogue cops. Believe me, if cops have to pay their own settlements they WILL straighten up their shiat in a New York second.
 
2012-06-01 10:47:54 PM  
They can terminate my 1st amendment rights after I exercise my 2nd amendment rights.
 
2012-06-01 10:49:02 PM  
Chicago is sliding downhill (in some districts at least). 10 people killed over Memorial Day and over 200 homicides for the year. A lot of that is gang on gang, but still that's ridiculous. The police have bigger concerns than guys with cameras and they should be focused on those concerns.
 
2012-06-01 10:49:19 PM  
Cops hate it when they are filmed breaking the laws? Who knew?
 
2012-06-01 10:50:21 PM  

Smeggy Smurf: They can terminate my 1st amendment rights after I exercise my 2nd amendment rights.


I don't think they consider that an impediment

/minor inconvenience, perhaps
//if that
 
2012-06-01 10:54:18 PM  

GAT_00: Quick note here. Chicago police have been assholes for years, as Daley liked it that way and they stayed that way after he did the world a service by dying. His cops notoriously beat up protestors at the DNC in 1968, and beating up hippies has long been a favorite past time of the right. So, since those are the kind of people who are going to come in here and go 'LIEberals are taking your rights away!' I'm going to ask you that if you have a problem with this, you be consistent and denounce the attacks on all forms of peaceful protest. That would include those protestors as well as modern protesters like OWS, who the right also likes seeing beaten.

Basically, I'm going to ask you to be logically consistent with your outrage at personal rights abuses. If you cannot do that and agree to this, then I humbly ask your hypocritical ignorant ass not post.


Pretty much this.

I'd also note that the Chicago police back in the day were notorious for jumping ANYONE they thought would be a problem, and asking questions long afterward, if at all. If that has carried over to the present day, you have no one to blame but yourselves.
 
2012-06-01 10:54:22 PM  

StoneColdAtheist: How about this instead: if the taxpayers get tire of footing the bill, start refusing to pick up the tab for rogue cops. Believe me, if cops have to pay their own settlements they WILL straighten up their shiat in a New York second.


Just a real simple flowchart:

For certain offenses, where the court finds you guilty or your department opts just to a pay settlement because they know they'll get their ass kicked in court: Unpaid time off. A significant amount of unpaid time off.

For more serious offenses or repeat offenses: You're fired and you lose LEO certification.

You could also add a third level in between where your LEO certification is suspended and you can have to take some classes to get it back. With the person being on unpaid leave until they complete the class with a passing grade.
 
2012-06-01 10:56:57 PM  
wow, those commercials played like a champ, the actual news? Not so much.

Anyway, cool 31 second video, I'm sure that actual context would not help at all.

At the Occutards protest two weeks ago everyone had iPhones filming the cops.

I'm sure there is a million minutes of nothing out there just ready to be posted.
 
2012-06-01 10:58:45 PM  
Wow, this is old news. (Seriously, this happened a few months ago). Funny thing is that there are a couple of CPD blogs that constantly biatch about how they are underfunded, they are under attack, no one loves them, they are only doing what's best for the city, but when I wrote to them asking for a comment on this on when it hit the news, got crickets.
 
2012-06-01 10:59:04 PM  
It's not just Chicago cops who buck the First Amendment. The legislature did it too:

May 08, 2012|By Ryan Haggerty | Tribune reporter

A federal appeals court in Chicago ruled today that Illinois' eavesdropping law "likely violates" the First Amendment and ordered that authorities be banned from enforcing it.

The ruling from the 7th Circuit U.S. Court of Appeals in Chicago is the strongest blow yet to the law, which is one of the strictest in the country and makes it illegal for people to audio record police officers in public without their consent.
 
2012-06-01 11:00:37 PM  

Gyrfalcon: GAT_00: Quick note here. Chicago police have been assholes for years, as Daley liked it that way and they stayed that way after he did the world a service by dying. His cops notoriously beat up protestors at the DNC in 1968, and beating up hippies has long been a favorite past time of the right. So, since those are the kind of people who are going to come in here and go 'LIEberals are taking your rights away!' I'm going to ask you that if you have a problem with this, you be consistent and denounce the attacks on all forms of peaceful protest. That would include those protestors as well as modern protesters like OWS, who the right also likes seeing beaten.

Basically, I'm going to ask you to be logically consistent with your outrage at personal rights abuses. If you cannot do that and agree to this, then I humbly ask your hypocritical ignorant ass not post.

Pretty much this.

I'd also note that the Chicago police back in the day were notorious for jumping ANYONE they thought would be a problem, and asking questions long afterward, if at all. If that has carried over to the present day, you have no one to blame but yourselves.


Oook. Did you guys miss the whole peaceful NATO protests from two weeks ago? THe CPD played the Black Bloc douchebags like a fiddle. And the Occumopes were very happy about it, as they should be.

Oh, Al Capone, bang bang. Thanks for posting
 
2012-06-01 11:03:44 PM  

Macinfarker: Chicago residents to police: 42 USC 1982


do you mean 42 U.S.C. 1983? See also Bivens v. Six Unknown Named Agents, 403 U.S. 388
 
2012-06-01 11:03:56 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: NFA: Really?


Are you implying that only someone with a 'journalist's' ID can exercise their first amendment rights?

If YOU are in public, the police may video tape you, record your conversations etc. because THEY claim you have no reason to presume privacy. Fair enough. Then why should the police ever presume they have a right to privacy in a public place? Why should a police officer on duty EVER have a right to privacy (except possibly when he/she is in the restroom) ? This is not an issue of interference, time and time again people are intimidated and arrested when they video record officers from the opposite side of streets and sometimes hundreds of feet away.

Why as a nation do we tolerate a police force which does not want the public to know what it does in public while their salaries are being paid by the taxpayer?

Why do we tolerate police who show up in forces of hundreds of officers, dressed in armor, beating unarmed non-violent protesters. Yet claim they don't have the man power to address small groups of inner city gangs? Why do we tolerate police who arrest people with cameras but look the other way when fellow police officers drive their vehicles in excess of 100 MPH on roads while off duty, drink and drive and abuse their spouses?

Why do we tolerate police officers which show up in a court room en-mass and openly protest the conviction of a police officer who beat to death an unarmed civilian who was not resisting arrest or committing a crime at the time? An act which would have resulted in the imprisonment of any non-officer for contempt of court?

America's police forces are become more and more like the criminal elements they were assembled to deal with. Police officers are acting more and more like gang members, retaliating against officers who report corruption and violations of the law. American "law enforcement" is becoming more and more like Mexican "law enforcement".

THIS^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

/the pollice are spinning out of control
//who do they really serve? ...


The 1%.

When the 99% finally rise up to change things, the first line of defense for the 1% is the Police.

That's why they want people who wouldn't think twice about beating or killing an unarmed 'suspect'.
 
2012-06-01 11:10:32 PM  

naughtyrev: Wow, this is old news. (Seriously, this happened a few months ago). Funny thing is that there are a couple of CPD blogs that constantly biatch about how they are underfunded, they are under attack, no one loves them, they are only doing what's best for the city, but when I wrote to them asking for a comment on this on when it hit the news, got crickets.


SecondCityCop is all biatching over how that Fox guy asked why the cops were filming the crowd. I got banned there for asking how come it is cool for the cops to cuff people over filming, but then screaming about citizens asking why they are being filmed.

/cops should really embrace those Go Camera things. It removes the whole "He said/she said thing". Given many people tend to automatically assume the cop is the one lying, it is in their best interest to get rid of he said/she said.
 
2012-06-01 11:10:40 PM  

ha-ha-guy: StoneColdAtheist: How about this instead: if the taxpayers get tire of footing the bill, start refusing to pick up the tab for rogue cops. Believe me, if cops have to pay their own settlements they WILL straighten up their shiat in a New York second.

Just a real simple flowchart:

For certain offenses, where the court finds you guilty or your department opts just to a pay settlement because they know they'll get their ass kicked in court: Unpaid time off. A significant amount of unpaid time off.

For more serious offenses or repeat offenses: You're fired and you lose LEO certification.

You could also add a third level in between where your LEO certification is suspended and you can have to take some classes to get it back. With the person being on unpaid leave until they complete the class with a passing grade.


Hey, that works for me.
 
2012-06-01 11:14:30 PM  
I kinda think we should start with disbanding the FOP.
 
2012-06-01 11:15:52 PM  
So the question is not IF cops are gonna kill a few OWS protesters, but WHEN.

/and also which department -- will the Shots Heard 'Round The World be first fired by Chicago's, Oakland's or New York's boys in blue black armor from head to toe, complete with face-concealing tinted plastic visors and no name tags or badges in sight?
//or will they coordinate with each other and DHS, and all go hippie hunting at the same time? (like they did when the NYPD decided that 30 seconds was reasonable notice between Fuhrer Bloomberg's announcement, on a Tuesday morning at about 1:20, that OWS needs to leave and their raid to force them to exit without taking their belongings with them -- while similar evictions happened across the country in a span of about five minutes)
///there's no question that they'll get away with it. At most, some bottom-rung patrol officer(s) will get suspension or reassignment to desk duty with full pay for the duration of the Internal Affairs "investigation," which will find that it's perfectly reasonable for a phalanx formation of cops wearing full sets of body armor and carrying M4s, .40 pistols, flashbang grenades and riot shields to defend themselves with deadly force when confronted with some guy in jeans and a t-shirt holding "wielding" a piece of cardboard or oaktag that has an anti-Wall Street or anti-cop message scrawled on it with a Sharpie
 
2012-06-01 11:16:21 PM  

TheBigJerk: Lenny_da_Hog: I own all the light that bounces off of me.

You are not permitted to use it to excite chemicals or camera chips. It's my light, and I touched it first.

Those photons were absorbed by the air molecules around you and completely new photons were produced, I am using those instead.

/not sure if that's accurate but it sounds good


Go build a ray-tracer and let us know how that theory sounds in retrospect =P
 
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