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2012-06-01 10:58:01 AM  
IMO, the prosecution had to push the case. Their case was always at high risk of failure, but they had to go for it and hope for at least a partial success. Had they passed on it completely, the precedent that would set would be disastrous.

Now, as it turns out, a mistrial also sets a bad precedent for future cases, but at least an attempt was made to sort this out. If nothing else, this case shows you just how toothless our campaign finance laws are.
 
2012-06-01 11:43:15 AM  

Grand_Moff_Joseph: If nothing else, this case shows you just how toothless our campaign finance laws are.



And that Edwards is even more of a douche than we thought. Which doesn't really seem possible, but there it is.
 
2012-06-01 11:46:23 AM  
Actually-i'm a bit dissapointed in the Edwards case. Shenanigans were done by all considered.
 
2012-06-01 12:58:57 PM  
If being a total sleazeball was illegal, who would we buy cars from? Who would broker our investments?
 
2012-06-01 12:59:30 PM  

Grand_Moff_Joseph: IMO, the prosecution had to push the case. Their case was always at high risk of failure, but they had to go for it and hope for at least a partial success. Had they passed on it completely, the precedent that would set would be disastrous.

Now, as it turns out, a mistrial also sets a bad precedent for future cases, but at least an attempt was made to sort this out. If nothing else, this case shows you just how toothless our campaign finance laws are.


Campaign finance laws are toothless, but the ability to accept personal gifts and distinguish personal gifts from campaign finances isn't the reason why.
 
2012-06-01 01:05:31 PM  
Well, under Citizens United, most campaign finance laws are arguably unconstitutional, so...
 
2012-06-01 01:06:06 PM  
I can't think of anyone whose done jail time for violating campaign finance laws. I hardly think what Edwards was accused of doing was sufficient to make him the first.
 
2012-06-01 01:10:42 PM  
 
2012-06-01 01:11:07 PM  
There was no case, but it was forced into court by pressure from rwnjs that were desperate to carry out their petty vendetta against any Democrat they could.

The entire mentality of the GOP since Obama was elected has been so unglued. Nothing they do makes any sense these days. Every decision is driven by spite and rage because "their guy" didn't win the Presidency.
 
2012-06-01 01:12:42 PM  
Edwards was a GOP boogyman. The whole case was politically motivated from the start.
 
2012-06-01 01:17:07 PM  
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This girl makes my dick hard.

/I'd Jenna her bush
//i'd like to tonguepunch her fartbox
 
2012-06-01 01:17:20 PM  

spiderpaz: There was no case, but it was forced into court by pressure from rwnjs that were desperate to carry out their petty vendetta against any Democrat they could.

The entire mentality of the GOP since Obama was elected has been so unglued. Nothing they do makes any sense these days. Every decision is driven by spite and rage because "their guy" didn't win the Presidency.


Or it's a political vendetta completely among Democrats who carried out the prosecution (as the story broke after the election). Take your pick.

Still, NC Democrats needed something, anything, to make voters forget about Bev Perdue.
 
2012-06-01 01:18:27 PM  
The only people that care about this case were suburban women who watch the view.
 
2012-06-01 01:22:06 PM  

Muta: Edwards was a GOP boogyman. The whole case was politically motivated from the start.


Darn that GOP department of justice.

The dude is an epic slime ball and it is freaky that so many people carried his water for so long into the scandal. It was a scandal that turned into a felony charge because of a) the coverup made it look like something really weird was going on and b) something really weird was going on, just not campaign fraud.
 
2012-06-01 01:23:14 PM  

urban.derelict: Like this one? -->


NANCY GRACE STRIKES AGAIN!

/SHUT UP, I SAID HE'S GUILTY, SO HE IS, AND TWELVE MORONS CAN'T CHANGE THAT FACT!
 
2012-06-01 01:23:55 PM  

Grand_Moff_Joseph: this case shows you just how toothless our campaign finance laws are.


Also, to be quite honest, I don't care that the trial was a reach. Even putting that douche through the process of a trial is good and I hope prosecutors keep doing it. He may not get his punishment through the courts but he'll get it politically. Good luck getting elected or donations in the future, douchenozzle.
 
2012-06-01 01:27:52 PM  
John Edwards would be President right now if liberals had had it their way.

Obama was a consolation prize.
 
2012-06-01 01:29:39 PM  

lennavan: Grand_Moff_Joseph: this case shows you just how toothless our campaign finance laws are.

Also, to be quite honest, I don't care that the trial was a reach. Even putting that douche through the process of a trial is good and I hope prosecutors keep doing it. He may not get his punishment through the courts but he'll get it politically. Good luck getting elected or donations in the future, douchenozzle.


I think he still has to repay the gubmint back for 2 million or so in matching federal campaign funds that are more or less unaccounted for.

The fact that this douche got so close the nomination makes you wonder what the other candidates are hiding (on both sides). The dude's a sociopath. Normally, I'd say being a sleazy trial lawyer is reason enough to make that claim, but sleazy trial lawyer + creepy smile + little American flag on his lapel = someone who is willing to fark over anyone to make sure he get his rocks off, be those rocks a power trip or nutting into a fruit loop.
 
2012-06-01 01:41:09 PM  

barneyfifesbullet: John Edwards would be President right now if liberals had had it their way.

Obama was a consolation prize.


And you base this on what? He got his ass handed to him in 2008. In between Hillary and Obama, he didn't stand a chance.
 
2012-06-01 01:44:07 PM  

spiderpaz: There was no case, but it was forced into court by pressure from rwnjs that were desperate to carry out their petty vendetta against any Democrat they could.


This was a mishandled house-cleaning under a Democratic administration, just as the Stevens trial was a mishandled house-cleaning under a Republican administration. What it should teach us is that we should use the legal system when there is a legal case, and the political system when there is not.

Using the legal system for political ends is a perversion that should never be tolerated, by either party. We are not going to stop it, but we can at least call it what it is.

lennavan: Also, to be quite honest, I don't care that the trial was a reach. Even putting that douche through the process of a trial is good and I hope prosecutors keep doing it.


The legal system is not about deciding who is behaving morally, it is about who is behaving legally. If we cross that line, we may as well be living in a theocracy (a real one, not a rhetorical one)
 
2012-06-01 01:46:22 PM  

barneyfifesbullet: John Edwards would be President right now if liberals had had it their way.


atomsmoosher: The fact that this douche got so close the nomination...


2008 delegate totals:

Obama: 2,201
Clinton: 1,896
Edwards: 6
 
2012-06-01 01:51:10 PM  

Zerochance: And you base this on what? He got his ass handed to him in 2008. In between Hillary and Obama, he didn't stand a chance.


I'll discuss with you and ignore the wankstain troll. Edwards was caught between a well-known candidate associated with a successful presidency and a rising star, both of whom were still in the Senate (Edwards miscalculated big-time by choosing not to run for re-election in 2004 and hitching his wagon to the Kerry campaign). He came in second in Iowa, which after talking to a number of people that worked on different campaigns that year was appropriate - he had a better ground game in Iowa than Clinton, but no one could touch the volunteer force that Obama was amassing.

After Iowa came New Hampshire, which his campaign half-assed because most Southern candidates like to write it off and concentrate on South Carolina. But he got to SC and got stomped - Obama ran away with 55% of the vote and Edwards finished a distant third with less than 18% of the vote. Midwesterners were tepid about him, the campaign didn't see any reason to make a major push with northeasterners, and southerners next to his home state weren't exactly enthused at all, so yeah, he wasn't exactly a favorite among "liberals" or even southern blue dogs.
 
2012-06-01 01:54:23 PM  

Name_Omitted: lennavan: Also, to be quite honest, I don't care that the trial was a reach. Even putting that douche through the process of a trial is good and I hope prosecutors keep doing it.

The legal system is not about deciding who is behaving morally, it is about who is behaving legally. If we cross that line, we may as well be living in a theocracy (a real one, not a rhetorical one)


My disgust of Edwards has nothing to do with morals. I'm not advocating prosecuting all men who cheat on their wives for whatever reason we can come up with. This may has surprised you.
 
2012-06-01 01:57:42 PM  

92myrtle: Archae hippy: barneyfifesbullet: John Edwards would be President right now if liberals had had it their way.

atomsmoosher: The fact that this douche got so close the nomination...

2008 delegate totals:

Obama: 2,201
Clinton: 1,896
Edwards: 6

Yeah, but I bet those 6 were superdelegates. Which are worth like eleventythreehundredseventy-eventy regular delegates.

/ *this close*


That's called RON PAUL math.
 
2012-06-01 01:58:20 PM  

WTF Indeed: The only people that care about this case were suburban women who watch the view.


Yup. The mistress, the love child, the cancer stricken wife. It reads like a Lifetime movie Mad-Lib.
 
2012-06-01 02:02:24 PM  

Disposable Rob: That's called RON PAUL math.


I am soooooooo stealing that...
 
2012-06-01 02:03:28 PM  

Archae hippy: barneyfifesbullet: John Edwards would be President right now if liberals had had it their way.

atomsmoosher: The fact that this douche got so close the nomination...

2008 delegate totals:

Obama: 2,201
Clinton: 1,896
Edwards: 6


If Edwards were president now (and I recognize based on the above that it was never likely), we might be well looking at President Bachmann or President Santorum after the next election. In the real world, the Republicans finally coalesced around the most electable candidate; but if they had been facing a sleazeball incumbent with 20% approval ratings, they might have been tempted to go all-in on a right wing nutjob, and they might have succeeded. Think about that.
 
2012-06-01 02:04:49 PM  
DOJ prosecutors are head hunters looking for trophies. Get a high level conviction and Patton Boggs will offer you a fat salary to put your name on the letterhead to soothe their Fortune 500 CEO clients nerves when they sign a Sarbanes Oxley certification.

It didn't work out for him. But the prosecutor IS still running for congress as a republican, so he's got that going for him


oblig: Edwards is a douche
 
2012-06-01 02:05:38 PM  

barneyfifesbullet: John Edwards would be President right now if liberals had had it their way.

Obama was a consolation prize.


Ah, full of shiat as usual.

Edwards didn't even make it through January 2008. Guess there aren't that many liberals around...yet people like you you continue to act as if they're EVERYWHERE, making our babies gay and whatnot.

And if Edwards is the worst person ever, is Gingrich a close second? The main moral difference between then is that Newt's wife didn't die of cancer - he just left her during her treatments for the woman he was banging.

I guess an adulterer who actually leaves his wife is a god guy.
 
2012-06-01 02:05:59 PM  

Archae hippy: barneyfifesbullet: John Edwards would be President right now if liberals had had it their way.

atomsmoosher: The fact that this douche got so close the nomination...

2008 delegate totals:

Obama: 2,201
Clinton: 1,896
Edwards: 6


Facts, in the politics tab?

/wtf
 
2012-06-01 02:08:08 PM  

lennavan: He may not get his punishment through the courts but he'll get it politically. Good luck getting elected or donations in the future, douchenozzle.


If he was a Republican, he would have had a chance at a comeback - think of Newt "Family Values" Gingrich.

Edwards was done way before the charges.
 
2012-06-01 02:09:03 PM  

Archae hippy: barneyfifesbullet: John Edwards would be President right now if liberals had had it their way.

atomsmoosher: The fact that this douche got so close the nomination...

2008 delegate totals:

Obama: 2,201
Clinton: 1,896
Edwards: 6


And those six delegates were the biggest liberals that ever liberaled.
 
2012-06-01 02:15:11 PM  
If there's no real laws to regulate finance funds, or PAC's or anything that is basically politician currency, politicians will use them to hide a mistress, or take a cross country trip to espouse their views without ever entering a race, or even do drugs, pick up call girls, try to launder finance money, support a family oriented tax-free charity, all of the above, or any number of things we haven't thought of yet, but they have for sure.

We'll see how PAC's play out, but finance funds should trend towards 100% transparency. Not in terms of donations in, just in terms of money spent. Make misuse a crime. Track what's spent on advertising, staff, and infrastructure. Things like a mistresses' rent, or someone with a dirty secrets buyout would become apparent. Politicians would find the money to pay for them themselves, or try to pigeonhole them in and get caught or not.
 
2012-06-01 02:16:33 PM  

rufus-t-firefly: lennavan: He may not get his punishment through the courts but he'll get it politically. Good luck getting elected or donations in the future, douchenozzle.

If he was a Republican, he would have had a chance at a comeback - think of Newt "Family Values" Gingrich.

Edwards was done way before the charges.


Comeback? If he was Republican he never would have left. Think John "I got busted having an affair so I paid off my mistress and her husband" Ensign.
 
2012-06-01 02:26:25 PM  
I hate the part where he's automatically vice president.
 
2012-06-01 02:31:25 PM  
Bush / Cheney 2004 HAD to have known about this, but it shows where politicians will draw the line. All of them have something on the side and they don't want to spoil the poo-tay pah-tay by using it as political amo.
 
2012-06-01 02:33:26 PM  

Archae hippy: barneyfifesbullet: John Edwards would be President right now if liberals had had it their way.

atomsmoosher: The fact that this douche got so close the nomination...

2008 delegate totals:

Obama: 2,201
Clinton: 1,896
Edwards: 6


OK, if you actually look at numbers. But he placed second in Iowa, and dropped out fairly early (before the end of January 2008), then he reportedly lobbied for a spot VP short list before the scandal broke.
 
2012-06-01 02:34:38 PM  

George_W_Hussein: Bush / Cheney 2004 HAD to have known about this, but it shows where politicians will draw the line. All of them have something on the side and they don't want to spoil the poo-tay pah-tay by using it as political amo.


Why not them? It appears the other Democratic nominees and a substantial number of reporters regarded his infidelity as common fact.
 
2012-06-01 02:40:57 PM  

George_W_Hussein: Bush / Cheney 2004 HAD to have known about this, but it shows where politicians will draw the line. All of them have something on the side and they don't want to spoil the poo-tay pah-tay by using it as political amo.


Before it happened? If they were able to predict the future that accurately, then they are guilty of letting 9/11 happen.
 
2012-06-01 02:43:34 PM  

Surool: George_W_Hussein: Bush / Cheney 2004 HAD to have known about this, but it shows where politicians will draw the line. All of them have something on the side and they don't want to spoil the poo-tay pah-tay by using it as political amo.

Before it happened? If they were able to predict the future that accurately, then they are guilty of letting 9/11 happen.


Well...yeah...
 
2012-06-01 03:00:10 PM  

atomsmoosher: Archae hippy: barneyfifesbullet: John Edwards would be President right now if liberals had had it their way.

atomsmoosher: The fact that this douche got so close the nomination...

2008 delegate totals:

Obama: 2,201
Clinton: 1,896
Edwards: 6

OK, if you actually look at numbers. But he placed second in Iowa, and dropped out fairly early (before the end of January 2008), then he reportedly lobbied for a spot VP short list before the scandal broke.


This has already been covered by UNC Samurai, but he dropped out because he came in a distant third in South Carolina.

This is despite the fact that he was BORN AND RAISED in South Carolina. He had no shot.
 
2012-06-01 03:01:22 PM  

FuturePastNow: If being a total sleazeball was illegal, who would we buy cars from? Who would broker our investments?


Who would run capital investments? Who would run on the GOP ticket?

/This is fun.
 
2012-06-01 03:11:26 PM  

barneyfifesbullet: John Edwards would be President right now if liberals had had it their way.

Obama was a consolation prize.


This is one of the oddest aspects of conservative derp . . . proclaiming that they know what liberals really want, when in fact they obviously don't have the faintest idea. I didn't mind listening to many of the things John Edwards had to say, but I was never interested in him as a candidate.

There are certain AM radio talk show hosts who spend half of their time explaining what liberals think. I don't know if they are deliberately trying to be funny or not. I think Rush knows that he's just goofing, but many others appear to be sincere. The real problem is that their target audience laps it all up as truth.
 
2012-06-01 03:18:26 PM  

Archae hippy:

This has already been covered by UNC Samurai, but he dropped out because he came in a distant third in South Carolina.

This is despite the fact that he was BORN AND RAISED in South Carolina. He had no shot.


oh nevermind
 
2012-06-01 03:56:12 PM  
Thursday's verdict of not guilty on one count and a mistrial on five others bore out criticism from the earliest stages of the case that it was a reach, that prosecutors went after the ex-U.S. senator without the kind of evidence that justified the charges that he masterminded a scheme to use campaign donations to hide his pregnant mistress from the public and his terminally ill wife.

I'm shocked I tell you...
 
2012-06-01 04:07:54 PM  

hurdboy: spiderpaz: There was no case, but it was forced into court by pressure from rwnjs that were desperate to carry out their petty vendetta against any Democrat they could.

The entire mentality of the GOP since Obama was elected has been so unglued. Nothing they do makes any sense these days. Every decision is driven by spite and rage because "their guy" didn't win the Presidency.

Or it's a political vendetta completely among Democrats who carried out the prosecution (as the story broke after the election). Take your pick.

Still, NC Democrats needed something, anything, to make voters forget about Bev Perdue.


The prosecutor who started it was a leftover Bush appointee who resigned mid-prosecution to run for Congress as a Republican, so...
 
2012-06-01 04:15:26 PM  

Geotpf: The prosecutor who started it was a leftover Bush appointee who resigned mid-prosecution to run for Congress as a Republican, so...

continue a futile case until the new Justice attorney fails miserably?

They could have killed this. Just like they killed the nonsense Black Panthers thing.
 
2012-06-01 04:18:58 PM  
This all just illustrates the incompetence of the Department. Consider the following failures, slam dunks that they had to retry or stuff they should never have bothered with besides Edwards.

Blago -took two attempts

Barry Bonds

Roger Clemens

Lance Armstrong

Polanski-fouled up the paperwork

Operation Fast Furious
 
2012-06-01 04:27:59 PM  
Obvious tag broken?
 
2012-06-01 04:32:07 PM  

hasty ambush: This all just illustrates the incompetence of the Department. Consider the following failures, slam dunks that they had to retry or stuff they should never have bothered with besides Edwards.

Blago -took two attempts

Barry Bonds

Roger Clemens

Lance Armstrong

Polanski-fouled up the paperwork

Operation Fast Furious


And the really shocking thing is that out of six cases of note, three were against ATHLETES.
F**king guys who toss balls around and ride bicycles. WTF????
 
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