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(Lowering the Bar)   Tired of drones following you everywhere, getting woken up by late night calls from the NSA, and discovering that all of your mail was opened before it was delivered? Then sign up for the "Do Not Kill" list   (loweringthebar.net) divider line 23
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2012-05-31 11:04:40 PM  
FTA: The president, who you may recall won the Nobel Peace Prize in 2009, then personally approves names on the "kill list" for execution targeted killing by drone.

In all fairness, one of the criteria for the Nobel Peace Prize is working "done the most or the best work . . . for the abolition or reduction of standing armies". Drone warfare certainly has done that . . . sort of.
 
2012-06-01 01:52:09 AM  
we are all drones....

2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-06-01 01:56:37 AM  
nice find, I LOLed.
 
2012-06-01 02:01:45 AM  
not that funny
not that informative
and apparently the list does not actually exist, damn
 
2012-06-01 02:02:13 AM  
Interesting lack of outrage when taken in context to water boarding. Guess it's just fine to kill anyone, including American citizens as long as a Liberal President gets to make the call.
 
2012-06-01 02:15:57 AM  
It's a real petition on the White House website, created by Salon writer David Sirota.

Salon article here.

White House petition here.

It's kinda weird how many Americans don't mind the loss of the Fifth Amendment. Okay, maybe the gubbmint can kill me without trial or charges, but they better not take away r gunz!
 
2012-06-01 02:17:12 AM  

TheAbstractor: FTA: The president, who you may recall won the Nobel Peace Prize in 2009, then personally approves names on the "kill list" for execution targeted killing by drone.

In all fairness, one of the criteria for the Nobel Peace Prize is working "done the most or the best work . . . for the abolition or reduction of standing armies". Drone warfare certainly has done that . . . sort of.


Sort of? It does it on both sides. Fewer troops on the side with drones, fewer troops on the side being attacked with drones. Win-win!
 
2012-06-01 02:27:53 AM  
I'm already on the do not rape list. I'll be ok.
 
2012-06-01 02:37:01 AM  

jtown: TheAbstractor: FTA: The president, who you may recall won the Nobel Peace Prize in 2009, then personally approves names on the "kill list" for execution targeted killing by drone.

In all fairness, one of the criteria for the Nobel Peace Prize is working "done the most or the best work . . . for the abolition or reduction of standing armies". Drone warfare certainly has done that . . . sort of.

Sort of? It does it on both sides. Fewer troops on the side with drones, fewer troops on the side being attacked with drones. Win-win!


It would be nice if we can shed the tragedy and personal losses of warfare, and move forward to a time when differences are settled more like the thunderdome with predator drones. BUT, it's not likely because some men believe they are born to die, some men believe they are born to order that man to die, and some men know they can make money off the other two by selling them guns.
 
2012-06-01 03:06:42 AM  

El Pachuco: It's a real petition on the White House website, created by Salon writer David Sirota.

Salon article here.

White House petition here.

It's kinda weird how many Americans don't mind the loss of the Fifth Amendment. Okay, maybe the gubbmint can kill me without trial or charges, but they better not take away r gunz!


If they took our guns, this would have happened long ago.
 
2012-06-01 04:07:06 AM  
If it works as well as the do-not-call list, everyone I know will have been killed by an Indian or Filipino within the week.
 
2012-06-01 04:59:35 AM  
Subby: The NSA doesn't really have anything to do with the kill list. That would be the NSC, the Prez, the CIA and the JCS.

The CIA and JCS throw new names in the pot (sometimes State), the NSC and/or Prez approve or veto the list, and the CIA and JCS get their own separate versions of the list.

From there, the lists go to SAD/SOG on the CIA side, and the deputy secretary of defense, who runs a less-well-known SF group that specializes in off-beat DA missions. Dr Carter can also call in those Navy or Marine guys if needed.
 
2012-06-01 06:06:43 AM  
By this logic, if you are a civilian journalist out in the desert filming a battle between US & al-Qaeda troops and a drone accidentally blows you up, then that's okay because you were technically an enemy combatant. A detail I'm sure has the US military jizzing with excitement.
 
2012-06-01 06:59:04 AM  
similar to the "Do Not Call" list that has been reasonably successful against telemarketers.

Lol, what?
 
2012-06-01 08:01:00 AM  

erewhon: Subby: The NSA doesn't really have anything to do with the kill list. That would be the NSC, the Prez, the CIA and the JCS.


It's funny how the NSA gets thrown into a lot of stuff when all they really do is listen and report. Maybe because they actually are able to keep stuff secret, or maybe it's because people have a hard time believing such a secretive organization is really just a big ear. Who knows? Still, I guffaw every time I see a movie where the bad guys *SHOULD* be CIA/FBI/whatever based upon the fact that they are doing operational stuff that isn't SIGINT related, and they are instead the NSA.

The only way the NSA would be involved would be that some of the information developed (like who they talked to on the phone and what was said) that led to them being considered in the first place was generated by the NSA, but as far as I know they don't have a seat at the table for the targeting meetings.
 
2012-06-01 08:47:28 AM  

dittybopper: I guffaw every time I see a movie where the bad guys *SHOULD* be CIA/FBI/whatever based upon the fact that they are doing operational stuff that isn't SIGINT related, and they are instead the NSA.


I found this website once that a lot of the CTers were oohing and aahing over, where the site owner relates this long long long long long multipart tale about finding the deep dark secret of HIPAS and HAARP, and how he heroically discovered the secretive PFRR where evil deeds were being done in a huge super dooper giganto version of HAARP which had been Hidden Away From Regular Mortals. Of course, if you've ever seen HIPAS you'd understand why I was rolling on the floor by then - HIPAS was very much not a big version of HAARP, nor was it hidden away, nor particularly secret.

But he had a tale of derring-do, with escapes and intrigues and people tailing him around, mystery MIBs, people breathing heavily into the phone at night etc. One of his "high points" was where the "NSA agents" captured him and took him to their prison at an Alaskan Navy base - they supposedly knocked his door down, flipped open their NSA badges and said "You're being taken for interrogation!" whereupon they waterboarded him or some crap. "So, the Ft Meade police caught you in Alaska?" "Whut?" "man, the only enforcement agents they have are the Ft Meade police, and they don't operate off base"

You have to wonder why the movies don't pick on people that actually HAVE people who might shoot you, or at least use the correct organization. Most of the time they use NSA when, as you say, the CIA or FBI would be more apt. At least they could try to get the NSA, NRO and NGIA untangled.

It's sort of like DARPA. They also use DARPA for things that are obviously IARPA or DISA, and no one even mentions IARPA or DISA in movies, ever. Hell, I bet half of FARK hasn't heard of IARPA or DISA. I guess "YARPA" isn't as sexy sounding.
 
2012-06-01 09:04:21 AM  
Obama 2012.

Forward.
 
2012-06-01 09:29:26 AM  

the_chief: I'm already on the do not rape list. I'll be ok.


you sound fat
 
2012-06-01 09:42:11 AM  

erewhon: I guess "YARPA" isn't as sexy sounding.


Aren't Yarpas those dudes who haul crap up Mount Everest?
 
2012-06-01 01:55:20 PM  

dittybopper: erewhon: I guess "YARPA" isn't as sexy sounding.

Aren't Yarpas those dudes who haul crap up Mount Everest?


You're thinking of Shia LeBouffant.
 
2012-06-01 03:54:26 PM  

HeFixesTheCable: dittybopper: erewhon: I guess "YARPA" isn't as sexy sounding.

Aren't Yarpas those dudes who haul crap up Mount Everest?

You're thinking of Shia LeBouffant.


blubber macadamia.
 
2012-06-01 07:36:12 PM  
INFORMANTS STOP HARASSING ME!!
 
2012-06-02 02:25:35 AM  

NephilimNexus: By this logic, if you are a civilian journalist out in the desert filming a battle between US & al-Qaeda troops and a drone accidentally blows you up, then that's okay because you were technically an enemy combatant. A detail I'm sure has the US military jizzing with excitement.


Collateral damage. It's legal under Geneva as long as they were either aiming at a valid target or mis-identified him as a valid target.

If you're moving around in a zone patrolled by US drones with strike orders, it's probably a good idea to coordinate with the local command to let them know where you are.
 
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