Meanwhile, someone is actually teaching Ryan Fitzpatrick how to throw.

I guess they don't teach you that at Harvard?

What the hell is wrong with the Jets? They finally get some success and they end up farking it all up. Sanchez isn't that good so eventually they will start Tebow. Tebow isn't that good, so I don't see him getting farther than Sanchez did. He ain't winning a Super Bowl. So at the end of the season they are right back to square one. Maybe they think attention whoring is better than winning titles.

Are you folks not aware that Tebow is a gamer, a baller, a playmaker, and a shot caller?

But hey, it's what the fans wanted, isn't it?

And it's what the players wanted, right?

/All I can do as a Browns fan is laugh at the absurdity of it...as the same thing happens to the Browns for the fourth time since they've been back.
//Maybe one of these days the Browns will give a QB more than 20 starts to make sure he's good or not.
///Over-under on Weeden is 12 starts before Browns fans are chanting for Colt again.

TheJoe03: What the hell is wrong with the Jets? They finally get some success and they end up farking it all up. Sanchez isn't that good so eventually they will start Tebow. Tebow isn't that good, so I don't see him getting farther than Sanchez did. He ain't winning a Super Bowl. So at the end of the season they are right back to square one. Maybe they think attention whoring is better than winning titles.

Well duh, look at their coach.

Seriously, look at him. He's trying so hard to get your attention he may hurt himself if you don't at least give him a glance.

What is the opposite of "A wealth of riches?"

"Not a pot to piss in?"

PapaChester: "I think Tim has a nice touch on his deep ball," Ryan said.

I have no idea what this could be a euphemism for, but I laughed when I read it.

Ryan must be talking about Tebow's touch upon the ball of foot.

A bigger question for the Jets is, why is Revis holding out again?

What the hell is wrong with the Jets? They finally get some success and they end up farking it all up. Sanchez isn't that good so eventually they will start Tebow. Tebow isn't that good, so I don't see him getting farther than Sanchez did. He ain't winning a Super Bowl. So at the end of the season they are right back to square one. Maybe they think attention whoring is better than winning titles.

Um, they're the Jets. It's really as simple as that. Permanently snakebitten.

cameroncrazy1984: Meanwhile, someone is actually teaching Ryan Fitzpatrick how to throw.

I guess they don't teach you that at Harvard?

They're trying to teach Tebow how to throw too. And he's been supposedly trying to learn how for the last 4 years.

VTGremlin: Are you folks not aware that Tebow is a gamer, a baller, a playmaker, and a shot caller?

Is he also a joker, a toker, or a midnight toker?

Lost Thought 00: Do they wait until the end of the season to fire Rex?

This year and next and then the honeymoon ends if it actually hasn't already. His BS will only get him so far and I think even the organization is tired of it much like the rest of the league

TheJoe03: What the hell is wrong with the Jets? They finally get some success and they end up farking it all up. Sanchez isn't that good so eventually they will start Tebow. Tebow isn't that good, so I don't see him getting farther than Sanchez did. He ain't winning a Super Bowl. So at the end of the season they are right back to square one. Maybe they think attention whoring is better than winning titles.

I think last year was mostly lost due to front-office missteps. I'm mainly talking about keeping Santonio Holmes instead of Braylon Edwards (who did real well in their system in 2010, with some spectacular catches), and then replacing Edwards with a just-out-of-prison Plaxico Burress. Also, Wayne Hunter replaced Damien Woody at right tackle, and turned out to be an absolute disaster. If they were able to keep Sanchez on his feet instead of scrambling all the time, they might have made the postseason.

And Schotty. Man, I hate that guy.

Arkanaut: VTGremlin: Are you folks not aware that Tebow is a gamer, a baller, a playmaker, and a shot caller?

Is he also a joker, a toker, or a midnight toker?

I'm certain no one calls him a gangster of love.

you have pee hands: Arkanaut: VTGremlin: Are you folks not aware that Tebow is a gamer, a baller, a playmaker, and a shot caller?

Is he also a joker, a toker, or a midnight toker?

I'm certain no one calls him a gangster of love.

Nope; he JUST WINS.

skrame: you have pee hands: Arkanaut: VTGremlin: Are you folks not aware that Tebow is a gamer, a baller, a playmaker, and a shot caller?

Is he also a joker, a toker, or a midnight toker?

I'm certain no one calls him a gangster of love.

Nope; he JUST WINS.

I think New England, Detroit, Buffalo, Kansas City, and New England might disagree with you there, Chief.

Flappyhead: Maybe they think attention whoring is better than winning titles.

Is it surprising? Most NY teams are more concerned with being on the back page of the Post than actually winning. The Giants seem to the the exception to this rule.

Arkanaut: They're trying to teach Tebow how to throw too. And he's been supposedly trying to learn how for the last 4 years.

How is that, since he hasn't started his 3rd year in the league, and didn't get all the OTA's and mini camps and training camp before last season. Anyone who isn't a complete dumbfark can watch video and see his motion got quicker over the offseason.

bel4sucks: How is that.........

Oh just stop it. If he turns it around and gets another shot, good for him. But if he doesn't get another start... too bad. Plenty of guys who sucked less than Tebow never had half the shot he's had. Now I happen to like the guys' character and work ethic, but he cannot complain about not getting a shot. He was handed a team and sort of stunk it up. Lots and lots of really talented people only got one shot to screw up. Lots of other talented guys never get a shot at all so quit whining already. Nobody owes Tebow another chance - if he gets it, good for him and I hope he makes the most of it but the line for these 32 jobs is extremely crowded with very capable people.

JohnBigBootay: He was handed a team and sort of stunk it up.

LOL yeah man taking a 1-4 team and helping them turn it around to 8-8 and then helping lead the team to their first playoff win since farking 2005 is really stinking it up.

bel4sucks: JohnBigBootay: He was handed a team and sort of stunk it up.

LOL yeah man taking a 1-4 team and helping them turn it around to 8-8 and then helping lead the team to their first playoff win since farking 2005 is really stinking it up.

TJ Yates also won a playoff game, does he deserve to be the second coming as well?

UNC_Samurai: TJ Yates also won a playoff game, does he deserve to be the second coming as well?

Stop watching ESPN and you won't have anything to biatch about. It's so funny, I have to go out of my way to see sports highlights, yet some of you biatch because you're SOOOOO inundated with coverage. Why is it that so many of you miss the simplest answer?

Plus, what the fark does that have to do with anything I said? Dude claimed he stunk it up. Since when is winning a playoff game in your 16th start as a pro regarded as anything but good.

bel4sucks: JohnBigBootay: He was handed a team and sort of stunk it up.

LOL yeah man taking a 1-4 team and helping them turn it around to 8-8 and then helping lead the team to their first playoff win since farking 2005 is really stinking it up.

Put lipstick on that pig to your heart's delight but losing four of your last five with the worst completion percentage in recent memory speaks for itself. That line against kc (6/22, 60 yds, no TD's, 1 INT) is in the conversation for the worst qb line I've ever seen and I'm old. I mean the 13/29 3 pick performance the week before was certainly horrible but I can't recall a qb only completing six passes in the modern era so I have to move that one to the top. If Oakland had beaten San Diego that week and Denver hadn't backed in on the strength of three consecutive embarrassing losses we would most certainly not be having this conversation. Just admit you're in the bag for the guy for jesus-related reasons. I'm fine with that.

JohnBigBootay: but I can't recall a qb only completing six passes in the modern era so I have to move that one to the top.

I think Flacco went 4-10 in a playoff game a few years back. I'm pretty sure he was playing hurt, though.

pion: skrame: you have pee hands: Arkanaut: VTGremlin: Are you folks not aware that Tebow is a gamer, a baller, a playmaker, and a shot caller?

Is he also a joker, a toker, or a midnight toker?

I'm certain no one calls him a gangster of love.

Nope; he JUST WINS.

I think New England, Detroit, Buffalo, Kansas City, and New England might disagree with you there, Chief.

I'm sorry that you didn't get VTGremlin's reference. Chief.

pion: I think Flacco went 4-10 in a playoff game a few years back. I'm pretty sure he was playing hurt, though.

That's pretty bad. But way out of the norm for him. Tebow laid those three consecutive eggs to close out the regular season. They were all 'must-win' games... they were just fortunate that their competitors lost as well. Nevertheless we keep hearing - 'he just wins'. If Flacco had combined that with the worst yds/gm AND the worst cmpl pct among all qb's who qualified to be ranked he would no longer be a starting qb. Nor would anyone want him to be. He doesn't have a poster of Footsteps next to his bed or a chastity ring.

UNC_Samurai: bel4sucks: JohnBigBootay: He was handed a team and sort of stunk it up.

LOL yeah man taking a 1-4 team and helping them turn it around to 8-8 and then helping lead the team to their first playoff win since farking 2005 is really stinking it up.

TJ Yates also won a playoff game, does he deserve to be the second coming as well?

Yes.

/why the fark not, they're only like 6 good QBs in the league, someone's gotta lead the other teams

regindyn: UNC_Samurai: bel4sucks: JohnBigBootay: He was handed a team and sort of stunk it up.

LOL yeah man taking a 1-4 team and helping them turn it around to 8-8 and then helping lead the team to their first playoff win since farking 2005 is really stinking it up.

TJ Yates also won a playoff game, does he deserve to be the second coming as well?

Yes.

/why the fark not, they're only like 6 good QBs in the league, someone's gotta lead the other teams

That's the thing. There are actually a lot of good QBs in the league right now relative to the past. Tebow and Sanchez (and Yates) are not on that list.

Moopy Mac: That's the thing. There are actually a lot of good QBs in the league right now relative to the past.

I'd have to agree with that. The qb market has softened quite a bit. Lots of young guys on the way up right now and a ton more on the way.

IlGreven: /All I can do as a Browns fan is laugh at the absurdity of it...as the same thing happens to the Browns for the fourth time since they've been back.
//Maybe one of these days the Browns will give a QB more than 20 starts to make sure he's good or not.
///Over-under on Weeden is 12 starts before Browns fans are chanting for Colt again.

Why give a crappy QB a lot of starts? Maybe if they stopped draftng noodle-armed QBs like Quinn and McCoy, then they wouldn't have to turn to another option after a season and a half of terrible play.

Troy McClure: Why give a crappy QB a lot of starts?

And for me, that's what stands out about Tebow. Other Jamarcus Russell, I don't recall a qb sucking so bad that continued to get starts.

VTGremlin: Are you folks not aware that Tebow is a gamer, a baller, a playmaker, and a shot caller?

Unfortunately "competent quarterback" is not on that list.

Give him some time an he could become a good addition to a defense heavy team with a strong rushing offense or as a backup who can completely change the pace of the game. But he will never be a star passer, which is what most teams are looking for today.

And by giving him time, it is as a second or third stringer and getting plenty of practice reps. Not starting.

regindyn: UNC_Samurai: bel4sucks: JohnBigBootay: He was handed a team and sort of stunk it up.

LOL yeah man taking a 1-4 team and helping them turn it around to 8-8 and then helping lead the team to their first playoff win since farking 2005 is really stinking it up.

TJ Yates also won a playoff game, does he deserve to be the second coming as well?

Yes.

/why the fark not, they're only like 6 good QBs in the league, someone's gotta lead the other teams

I will be interested to see what happens with Yates in the future. He's clearly not a bad QB, I'd like to see him get a shot somewhere

Troy McClure: IlGreven: /All I can do as a Browns fan is laugh at the absurdity of it...as the same thing happens to the Browns for the fourth time since they've been back.
//Maybe one of these days the Browns will give a QB more than 20 starts to make sure he's good or not.
///Over-under on Weeden is 12 starts before Browns fans are chanting for Colt again.

Why give a crappy QB a lot of starts? Maybe if they stopped draftng noodle-armed QBs like Quinn and McCoy, then they wouldn't have to turn to another option after a season and a half of terrible play.

They'll be calling Weeden "noodle-armed" in 10 months when it's turned to mush by the turnstile right side of the line and the inability of any of the WRs to get open, ever.

It ain't the arm that doomed McCoy or Quinn. It was the fact that the only one of their wideouts that would make another NFL roster would make it only because of his return abilities.

IlGreven: They'll be calling Weeden "noodle-armed" in 10 months when it's turned to mush by the turnstile right side of the line and the inability of any of the WRs to get open, ever.

It ain't the arm that doomed McCoy or Quinn. It was the fact that the only one of their wideouts that would make another NFL roster would make it only because of his return abilities.

The WRs are bad, but having one of the worst starting QBs lobbing balls in their general directions did not help things either. Even with all of the legitimate excuses you can find, both Quinn and McCoy did not play at anything approaching average QB play.

It is the arm that primarily doomed Quinn and McCoy. The Browns WRs didn't put Quinn at the bottom of Denver's depth chart and then off the team where they didnt even want him as a backup. If McCoy was shopped around, the return would be next to nothing for the same reason.

Troy McClure: IlGreven: They'll be calling Weeden "noodle-armed" in 10 months when it's turned to mush by the turnstile right side of the line and the inability of any of the WRs to get open, ever.

It ain't the arm that doomed McCoy or Quinn. It was the fact that the only one of their wideouts that would make another NFL roster would make it only because of his return abilities.

The WRs are bad, but having one of the worst starting QBs lobbing balls in their general directions did not help things either. Even with all of the legitimate excuses you can find, both Quinn and McCoy did not play at anything approaching average QB play.

Well, then, neither has Sam Bradford of the Rams. He has pretty much identical stats to McCoy over the same two years. What's the Rams' excuse for keeping him, other than the fact that he was a #1 pick?