This is clearly Ashley Judds fault.

Kentucky has gotten over it, about five minutes after the series ended. Indiana is the one that keeps bringing it up, and for one reason. They need Kentucky for a good OOC schedule, Kentucky doesn't. And dumbmitter, UK is in talks for a yearly game with Duke, and I believe they play Duke this year.

You know what reason hasn't been offered? The Big Ten isn't that good a conference any more. Izzo can't just waltz into the Elite 8 any more, Jared Sullinger has proven a bust since Josh Harrellson branded him with a basketball a couple years ago, and the rest of the conference is a joke. UK has more to lose than to gain by facing IU, now in their, what 6th year of rebuilding? Seriously, if IU turns out to be a colossal over-rated bust as a #1, what does beating them prove? Given that IU has proven they're really good now, so long as they're at home with unruly fans in the stands and in ref shirts, I understand why they wouldn't want to leave their friendly confines.

I'm pretty sure IU had a chance on a neutral court last season to prove who's the better team. What happened again?

This says it all:

Tom Crean has revived the program at Indiana, and wants to keep it on the upswing, so why not go toe-to-toe with your local rival, Kentucky, at each other's home courts? It would make for a great "College Gameday" appearance each December. He's doing what's best for the program's overall well-being.

John Calipari looks at what will most benefit his players as individuals and as a team. He's all for expanding Kentucky's horizons and being a basketball pioneer in the process, so he prefers big nonconference games played in the biggest venues possible.

IU wants to play on school courts to help the program. Kentucky wants to play at huge venues to help their one-and-dones get to the NBA. And their inbred idiot fans are happy to piss away their season ticket money on conference games while the biggest national draws are played elsewhere, all so some future millionaires can build their own egos. No wonder Kentucky is a Tea Party state.

Fark Kentucky.

Shaggy_C: This says it all:

Tom Crean has revived the program at Indiana, and wants to keep it on the upswing, so why not go toe-to-toe with your local rival, Kentucky, at each other's home courts? It would make for a great "College Gameday" appearance each December. He's doing what's best for the program's overall well-being.

John Calipari looks at what will most benefit his players as individuals and as a team. He's all for expanding Kentucky's horizons and being a basketball pioneer in the process, so he prefers big nonconference games played in the biggest venues possible.

IU wants to play on school courts to help the program. Kentucky wants to play at huge venues to help their one-and-dones get to the NBA. And their inbred idiot fans are happy to piss away their season ticket money on conference games while the biggest national draws are played elsewhere, all so some future millionaires can build their own egos. No wonder Kentucky is a Tea Party state.

Fark Kentucky.

Your butthurt is hilarious.

Shaggy_C: IU wants to play on school courts to help the program. Kentucky wants to play at huge venues to help their one-and-dones get to the NBA. And their inbred idiot fans are happy to piss away their season ticket money on conference games while the biggest national draws are played elsewhere, all so some future millionaires can build their own egos. No wonder Kentucky is a Tea Party state.

Fark Kentucky.

I think you have the wrong interpretation there. IU needs to help their own program by playing Kentucky, who's been their only good nonconference opponent for several year. It's true that Calipari wants to do what's best for his players, but not in the way you said it. Because he also did something for the program: Win a National Title. He's obviously doing more than building his players' egos.

And nice attempt at relating the basketball program to your idea of the commonwealth's general political ideology. I think you missed on that one too. Don't tell me you're another one of those southern Indiana residents.

ps- We have 120 counties in KY, and only Perry County is really known for inbred people. Nice generalization

Shaggy_C: And their inbred idiot fans are happy to piss away their season ticket money on conference games while the biggest national draws are played elsewhere, all so some future millionaires can build their own egos. No wonder Kentucky is a Tea Party state.

Fark Kentucky.

But, the home of the John Birch Society, Mitch "George W. Bush's financial genius" Daniels, and his likely successor, a hate-filled ideologue who bears a creepy resemblance to Jonny Quest character Race Bannon (Hey! "Race bannin'!" Now I get the appeal!), is any better?

Look, I'll tell you how much Kentucky sucks dick any day of the week and twice on Sunday, since I live here and know firsthand. But college basketball is that tiny speck of significance that Kentucky is awesome at. And I'll be goddamned if a farking Hoosier apologist tries to talk smack about sports or politics, since that state and its inhabitants have proven time and again to suck at both.

Go cry about it while listening to your Mellencamp albums.

Hey, just what I expected, some civility and earnest discussion in this thread!

EyeballKid: Look, I'll tell you how much Kentucky sucks dick any day of the week and twice on Sunday, since I live here and know firsthand. But college basketball is that tiny speck of significance that Kentucky is awesome at. And I'll be goddamned if a farking Hoosier apologist tries to talk smack about sports or politics, since that state and its inhabitants have proven time and again to suck at both.

Go cry about it while listening to your Mellencamp albums.

Awesome.

UKwildcatfan: I think you have the wrong interpretation there. IU needs to help their own program by playing Kentucky, who's been their only good nonconference opponent for several year. It's true that Calipari wants to do what's best for his players, but not in the way you said it. Because he also did something for the program: Win a National Title. He's obviously doing more than building his players' egos.

Do you think Calapari gives a shiat about Kentucky, it's history, or it's fans? He would be doing the exact same thing at any other school in the country. Bring in top flight recruits, let them get away with murder off the court, and send them packing to the NBA the second they can guarantee themselves first-round money. He's just using the school and its fans as a means to an end. I'll be the first to admit IU had a coach like that once, and it was not a fun time to be a fan during the Kelvin Sampson era. We were lucky enough to be rid of him in short order though. At least we admit he didn't care about the school. You fools are trying to convince yourself that the self-absorbed superstars who use your name actually care at all about Kentucky. Please.

EyeballKid: Look, I'll tell you how much Kentucky sucks dick any day of the week and twice on Sunday, since I live here and know firsthand. But college basketball is that tiny speck of significance that Kentucky is awesome at. And I'll be goddamned if a farking Hoosier apologist tries to talk smack about sports or politics, since that state and its inhabitants have proven time and again to suck at both.

Bloomington isn't really the same as Indiana as a whole. It's a liberal oasis, sort of like what Sedona is to the rest of Arizona. Lexington, on the other hand, is on the border of farking West Virginia. It's the very home of the curb-stomping tea partier who saw nothing wrong with beating down a defenseless woman while the rest of the crowd cheered. The nicest restaurant you have is Cracker Barrel. The entire minority population of the school is on the basketball team. The KU bookstore and official apparel provider is Walmart. Your school song might as well be "Dueling Banjos".

babysealclubber: Kentucky has gotten over it, about five minutes after the series ended. Indiana is the one that keeps bringing it up, and for one reason. They need Kentucky for a good OOC schedule, Kentucky doesn't. And dumbmitter, UK is in talks for a yearly game with Duke, and I believe they play Duke this year.

EyeballKid: You know what reason hasn't been offered? The Big Ten isn't that good a conference any more. Izzo can't just waltz into the Elite 8 any more, Jared Sullinger has proven a bust since Josh Harrellson branded him with a basketball a couple years ago, and the rest of the conference is a joke. UK has more to lose than to gain by facing IU, now in their, what 6th year of rebuilding? Seriously, if IU turns out to be a colossal over-rated bust as a #1, what does beating them prove? Given that IU has proven they're really good now, so long as they're at home with unruly fans in the stands and in ref shirts, I understand why they wouldn't want to leave their friendly confines.

The Big 10 was the better conference in basketball, and usually is. UK needs needs the OOC just as much as Indiana does. The SEC was pretty weak. Not to mention all the podunk teams UK played. They had UNC and Kansas as significant teams before the NCAA tourney and that's it really.

So not playing UI just makes UK look scared or, as already pointed out, only caring about team exposure.

Besides, giving up rivalry games dilutes the whole experience. I'm excited to see Texas A&M come to the SEC, but it's not the same as playing UT.

Shaggy_C: let them get away with murder off the court

Citation Please.

Shaggy_C: Do you think Calapari gives a shiat about Kentucky,

Considering all of the extra stuff he does in the offseason, I think so. He realizes the best way to job security is to win the fans over.

Shaggy_C: Lexington, on the other hand, is on the border of farking West Virginia.

Bloomington more liberal than Lexington? BWAHAHA. Lexington on the border to West Virginia? LOL. Buy a globe you dolt.

NaziKamikaze: UK needs needs the OOC just as much as Indiana does.

Uh, no? UK is already playing Maryland, Baylor, Duke and Louisville (and more than likely Notre Dame in South Bend). And none of these are home games. Don't slouch on the SEC either. Florida and Missouri will be very good next year.

NaziKamikaze: They had UNC and Kansas as significant teams before the NCAA tourney and that's it really.

And Louisville. Who UK played again in the final four.

babysealclubber:Uh, no? UK is already playing Maryland, Baylor, Duke and Louisville (and more than likely Notre Dame in South Bend). And none of these are home games. Don't slouch on the SEC either. Florida and Missouri will be very good next year.

I was talking last year. I haven't looked at the schedule this year. Are you telling me Baylor and Maryland are better games than Indiana? I'll give you Duke and UofL since UK fans still can't get over Laettner and have a hardon for beating Pitino and "little brother".

And Louisville. Who UK played again in the final four.

Ah, yes, I forgot. One other team. What does it matter in the Final 4? I'm talking regular season here. Do you not consider UI a significant rivalry game? Is that not reason enough to keep it scheduled?

And Bloomington is definitely more liberal than Lexington, despite the hyperbole Shaggy is going to. Live in the latter, been to the former countless times.

NaziKamikaze: Do you not consider UI a significant rivalry game?

Considering there has been one good game in the last 15 years, not really. I like playing UK vs. Indiana, but the Louisville rivalry is much bigger to me. And I am happier that UK and UNC are renewing their yearly game.

NaziKamikaze: And Bloomington is definitely more liberal than Lexington,

And I will continue to disagree with this.

NaziKamikaze: Are you telling me Baylor and Maryland are better games than Indiana?

Next year? Probably not. But Baylor seems to be on an upswing, and Maryland has its years where their good, just like Indiana.

babysealclubber: Next year? Probably not. But Baylor seems to be on an upswing, and Maryland has its years where their good, just like Indiana.

dammit

babysealclubber: NaziKamikaze: Do you not consider UI a significant rivalry game?

Considering there has been one good game in the last 15 years, not really. I like playing UK vs. Indiana, but the Louisville rivalry is much bigger to me. And I am happier that UK and UNC are renewing their yearly game.

With Calipari recruiting, you're not going to get game parity. Is that what you want? Get rid of him if so.

But you won't, understandably.

Additionally, Indiana is rebuilding, so we'll see what happens. The UofL/UK scores aren't that much better either, so is that what you care about? Just good games? Then start complaining about the nobodies UK fills their schedule up with and pays to play.

But forgive me if I think you're just setting up a double standard for the sake of continuing your argument.

There's no reason why you couldn't play UofL, Duke, and Indiana and make all UK fans wet their pants.

NaziKamikaze: babysealclubber: NaziKamikaze: Do you not consider UI a significant rivalry game?

Considering there has been one good game in the last 15 years, not really. I like playing UK vs. Indiana, but the Louisville rivalry is much bigger to me. And I am happier that UK and UNC are renewing their yearly game.

With Calipari recruiting, you're not going to get game parity. Is that what you want? Get rid of him if so.

But you won't, understandably.

Additionally, Indiana is rebuilding, so we'll see what happens. The UofL/UK scores aren't that much better either, so is that what you care about? Just good games? Then start complaining about the nobodies UK fills their schedule up with and pays to play.

But forgive me if I think you're just setting up a double standard for the sake of continuing your argument.

There's no reason why you couldn't play UofL, Duke, and Indiana and make all UK fans wet their pants.

The Indiana sucking part had nothing to do with Calipari. We get great games with Louisville and UNC year in and year out. This year's game against both were fun as hell. I am not setting up a double standard, I'm just saying, we don't NEED Indiana for OOC games. Want? Sure. You just can't blame UK for wanting to play Indiana in freaking Indianapolis on a neutral court. Nor can you blame Indiana for wanting to keep it home and home. Indiana just needs to quit biatching that they might not be playing this year. That's all I'm saying.

UK should pick up a two-year set with Purdue to be played at Bankers Life and Yum! Center. That would totally piss IU off.

babysealclubber:
And I will continue to disagree with this.

Ok...

Ever been?

babysealclubber: The Indiana sucking part had nothing to do with Calipari. We get great games with Louisville and UNC year in and year out. This year's game against both were fun as hell. I am not setting up a double standard, I'm just saying, we don't NEED Indiana for OOC games. Want? Sure. You just can't blame UK for wanting to play Indiana in freaking Indianapolis on a neutral court. Nor can you blame Indiana for wanting to keep it home and home. Indiana just needs to quit biatching that they might not be playing this year. That's all I'm saying.

You missed the point. If you are looking for good games in the way you meant - a balance between teams - you aren't going to find it because Calipari recruits the best that only need a pit stop before the NBA. It's not going to win a championship every year, but it puts the team on a whole new level. Not even UNC or Duke can do that.

And not every year is the UofL/UNC vs. UK game "good" in the sense of a close game which you meant earlier, unless you also mean just anytime you beat them. Go back and look at the scores. Every other UofL game is not close.

You surely can blame UK, i.e. Calipari for not wanting to do a home-home situation. He doesn't want to play on either campus. Why? Because, as in the article and already posted here, he cares more about exposure than the program.

Maybe you are fine with it. I wouldn't be.

Just enjoy the championship while you can. Keep your rivalries, uphold tradition, and reinforce integrity. That's what I'd do, instead of blindly defending a program that's more NBA farm team than historical UK basketball.

NaziKamikaze: Ever been?

Yep. More than I care to.

NaziKamikaze: Why? Because, as in the article and already posted here, he cares more about exposure than the program.

That's part of it. No apologies there. But, he cares about exposure FOR the program (sure for himself and the players too, but that factors into recruiting). Exposure makes you the cool school to go to, and help land recruits. Calipari has made UK into "the" college basketball program. Say what you want about the man, but he is a marketing genius. But also, like the article mentions, is the lack of security at Bloomington.

NaziKamikaze: blindly defending a program that's more NBA farm team than historical UK basketball.

Because everyone knows that college isn't there to prepare you for your professional life.


I said it once, I'll say it again, IU needs UK more than UK needs IU. Kids don't care about history, and when you don't change with the game, you become what IU was for a majority of the past 15 years.

Shaggy_C: Bloomington isn't really the same as Indiana as a whole. It's a liberal oasis, sort of like what Sedona is to the rest of Arizona. Lexington, on the other hand, is on the border of farking West Virginia. It's the very home of the curb-stomping tea partier who saw nothing wrong with beating down a defenseless woman while the rest of the crowd cheered.

Lexington voted for Obama. Lexington has an openly gay mayor. Lexington had an Arab-American mayor. Lexington was first in the south for smoking ban and seat belt law. Lexington has a steakhouse called "Malone's" that is on Tim Horan's and the Independent Retail Cattleman's Associations top 10 list.

Or hell, what UK was post 2002 until 2009.

And why does no one really care that teams like Duke don't play big name teams on the road? Why is it a big deal all of a sudden?

NaziKamikaze: You surely can blame UK, i.e. Calipari for not wanting to do a home-home situation. He doesn't want to play on either campus. Why? Because, as in the article and already posted here, he cares more about exposure than the program.

I hope you and everyone in this thread knows the Kentucky-Indiana series was playing in Louisville and Indy from 1991-2005. I went to many of those games and the atmosphere was terrific. Half red, half blue, nothing comparable in an indoor stadium. No neutrals like you have in tournament games. And Mike Davis' meltdown was SWEET!

12349876: NaziKamikaze: You surely can blame UK, i.e. Calipari for not wanting to do a home-home situation. He doesn't want to play on either campus. Why? Because, as in the article and already posted here, he cares more about exposure than the program.

I hope you and everyone in this thread knows the Kentucky-Indiana series was playing in Louisville and Indy from 1991-2005. I went to many of those games and the atmosphere was terrific. Half red, half blue, nothing comparable in an indoor stadium. No neutrals like you have in tournament games. And Mike Davis' meltdown was SWEET!

Very true. The series was great at neutral sites, even when both teams weren't that good. And NaziKamikaze doesn't quite get it. The article says he cares more for exposure FOR the program, not more than the program itself. As he said in the post championship press conference, he said with no facial expression, that all of this was not about him. Why does he care about exposure for himself? He wants to win championships and help make his students succeed.

I'm not sure what the problem with NaziKamikaze is. Why can't he just contact the writer of the article if he's so confused about something. That will really clear it up for everyone

babysealclubber: Shaggy_C: Do you think Calapari gives a shiat about Kentucky,

Considering all of the extra stuff he does in the offseason, I think so. He realizes the best way to job security is to win the fans over.

go ahead and believe the bullshiat. but calapari doesn't give a shiat about anyone or anything isn't calapari. that's how it works in big time college sports. it's called faking it.

/next you'll tell me you believe politicians care about the people they serve
//after all, they give such nice speeches and kiss soooo many babies.

babysealclubber: That's part of it. No apologies there. But, he cares about exposure FOR the program (sure for himself and the players too, but that factors into recruiting). Exposure makes you the cool school to go to, and help land recruits. Calipari has made UK into "the" college basketball program. Say what you want about the man, but he is a marketing genius. But also, like the article mentions, is the lack of security at Bloomington.

I don't blame him for doing what he does with a stupid NBA rule. I completely disagree with the rule, but I also find the disparity it creates in college basketball to be undesirable. Sure, there was always a difference between schools but not to this degree, or the degree it will be in the near future. Like you said, I like good/close games, and this isn't conducive to that.

If people didn't know about UK before, or now from winning another championship, they aren't watching basketball. You don't need exposure. Players and basketball fans already see it.

Because everyone knows that college isn't there to prepare you for your professional life.

Who are we kidding? These kids don't need college. It's wasting everyone's time, particular those who would play four years and graduate on scholarship. I mean sure, if you're a fan, you probably don't care, but this is the epitome of why UK pissed me off and gets no more of my money. They talk Top 50 school, all they really mean is basketball (and football, but meh).

I said it once, I'll say it again, IU needs UK more than UK needs IU. Kids don't care about history, and when you don't change with the game, you become what IU was for a majority of the past 15 years.

UK needs quality teams, and if Indiana is building again, it doesn't hurt to play them. Indiana plays in a strong enough conference that they'll get noticed. It really benefits them both, which is why it's so mind boggling. If Kids didn't care about history, then they wouldn't spout inane portmanteaus like "gr8ness" or "8pril" we heard for the first few months of the year. It would be something like "won and done".

12349876: I hope you and everyone in this thread knows the Kentucky-Indiana series was playing in Louisville and Indy from 1991-2005. I went to many of those games and the atmosphere was terrific. Half red, half blue, nothing comparable in an indoor stadium. No neutrals like you have in tournament games. And Mike Davis' meltdown was SWEET!

Ok, I obviously didn't. Somewhere between home and neutral, but a positive statement nonetheless. It's a rivalry, right? And neutral doesn't mean much when it comes to Kentucky fans, it seems. They go anywhere.

UKwildcatfan: Very true. The series was great at neutral sites, even when both teams weren't that good. And NaziKamikaze doesn't quite get it. The article says he cares more for exposure FOR the program, not more than the program itself. As he said in the post championship press conference, he said with no facial expression, that all of this was not about him. Why does he care about exposure for himself? He wants to win championships and help make his students succeed.

I'm not sure what the problem with NaziKamikaze is. Why can't he just contact the writer of the article if he's so confused about something. That will really clear it up for everyone

You'd be right if I actually said anything you attribute me to saying. Exposure - for the players - genius. The program doesn't need any help, neither does he. I get it, and that's because I'm not deluded by a win.

You're a joke if you actually think they are students. I'm not having a discussion with the writer either. I don't give a damn what he says. Or you, really, since you can't have a direct conversation and will put words in others' mouths.

A Fark Handle: babysealclubber: Shaggy_C: Do you think Calapari gives a shiat about Kentucky,

Considering all of the extra stuff he does in the offseason, I think so. He realizes the best way to job security is to win the fans over.

go ahead and believe the bullshiat. but calapari doesn't give a shiat about anyone or anything isn't calapari. that's how it works in big time college sports. it's called faking it.

/next you'll tell me you believe politicians care about the people they serve
//after all, they give such nice speeches and kiss soooo many babies.

Whatever. I'm just saying, to not care about the fans, he sure does spend a lot of time giving back to the community and doing a lot of unpaid public appearances that he doesn't have to.

Shaggy_C: This says it all:

Tom Crean has revived the program at Indiana, and wants to keep it on the upswing, so why not go toe-to-toe with your local rival, Kentucky, at each other's home courts? It would make for a great "College Gameday" appearance each December. He's doing what's best for the program's overall well-being.

John Calipari looks at what will most benefit his players as individuals and as a team. He's all for expanding Kentucky's horizons and being a basketball pioneer in the process, so he prefers big nonconference games played in the biggest venues possible.

IU wants to play on school courts to help the program. Kentucky wants to play at huge venues to help their one-and-dones get to the NBA. And their inbred idiot fans are happy to piss away their season ticket money on conference games while the biggest national draws are played elsewhere, all so some future millionaires can build their own egos. No wonder Kentucky is a Tea Party state.

Fark Kentucky.

haha, we are kentucky! we dont NEED indiana, indiana NEEDS us. coach cal offered to play indiana in INDIANAPOLIS, crean turned him down, said it would put a hardship on his students to have to travel! its 52 farking miles! uk students travel all over the country to watch the cats. we would love to have to travel ONLY 52 farking miles! indiana is a joke

In my opinion, NEITHER team needs the other.

The gap of who needs who is not that big. IU had Kansas, Louisville, and Cincy wanting to start home and homes next year, and already have Georgetown, UCLA and Butler on the schedule and drew UNC in the challenge.

However, I understand where UK is coming from though. I often see Kentucky folks comparing their college sports team to a professional sports team because they don't actually have a professional team in Kentucky for them to compare. College basketball is huge down there (as it is in Indiana)

What I'd like to see is one college having a fun competition against their rival.

Openly gay mayor or not, Bloomington is more liberal than Lexington.

WAY more liberal.

Anyone who says otherwise hasn't spent much time in and around either city,

That said, Calipari & Barnhart need to get over themselves and make this happen. Who cares if IU "needs" this more than UK, the fans want it so DO IT ALL FARKING READY. The 2/1/1 proposal was plenty fair IMO, considering UK fans would still dominate numbers even at Conseco or Lucas Oil Stadium in Indy.

This is almost like the Nebraska/Oklahoma football rivalry ending...fans wanted it to continue but self-absorbed athletics administrators couldn't pull their heads out of their asses to make it happen.

/born and raised in Lexington, attended Purdue, now live in the southern IN 'burbs of Louisville.
//I'd love a UK/Purdue basketball series played at "The Bucket" in Louisville

OH my...the loosiers are at it again.

Here's your deal...you can have two games in Indy...that's what you were offered and turned it down like little whining babies.

Remember, this series only went neutral to begin with because your cussing tard of a coach who could barely match wits with the dumbest animal on the planet (largemouth bass) got upset that students like me said mean things to him when he was in Rupp. Get over yourselves, stop running to cry to any sympathetic media shoulder you can find (mostly at the Herald-Leader), shut up, and play.