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(Angus Reid)   Only 9% of Canadians would vote for Mitt Romney. Even the Conservatives support Obama by a 2-to-1 margin   (angus-reid.com) divider line 76
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2012-05-31 04:16:36 PM  
Well maybe it's because Obama has been the best Republican president in the last 30 years.
 
2012-05-31 04:21:40 PM  
I could be wrong, but I'd bet that their 'conservatives' are to the left of our 'democrats'. The American GOP of today hardly exists in most other places, and where they do, they're a lunatic fringe party.
 
2012-05-31 04:22:11 PM  

Grand_Moff_Joseph: I could be wrong, but I'd bet that their 'conservatives' are to the left of our 'democrats'. The American GOP of today hardly exists in most other places, and where they do, they're a lunatic fringe party.


Taliban?
 
2012-05-31 04:22:38 PM  

DeltaPunch: Well maybe it's because Obama has been the best Republican president in the last 30 years.


Bill Clinton was a pretty damned good Republican, too.
 
2012-05-31 04:24:10 PM  
Really - can you trust a nation that voted this shvank into power?
i149.photobucket.com
I'm feeling exotic. Let's have white-cheese slices on brown bread tonight!
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2012-05-31 04:39:03 PM  

Grand_Moff_Joseph: I could be wrong, but I'd bet that their 'conservatives' are to the left of our 'democrats'. The American GOP of today hardly exists in most other places, and where they do, they're a lunatic fringe party.


Aren't they one here?
 
2012-05-31 04:47:16 PM  

vpb: Grand_Moff_Joseph: I could be wrong, but I'd bet that their 'conservatives' are to the left of our 'democrats'. The American GOP of today hardly exists in most other places, and where they do, they're a lunatic fringe party.

Aren't they one here?


Unfortunately they're not fringe.
 
2012-05-31 05:02:17 PM  

DeltaPunch: vpb: Grand_Moff_Joseph: I could be wrong, but I'd bet that their 'conservatives' are to the left of our 'democrats'. The American GOP of today hardly exists in most other places, and where they do, they're a lunatic fringe party.

Aren't they one here?

Unfortunately they're not fringe.


Beat me to it.
 
2012-05-31 08:21:40 PM  

oldfarthenry: I'm feeling exotic. Let's have white-cheese slices on brown bread tonight!


With BBQ kitten!
 
2012-05-31 11:30:13 PM  
That's not good. Canada is a pretty important swing state.
 
2012-06-01 12:33:11 AM  
Done in one.
 
2012-06-01 01:57:23 AM  
Soooo........wait what? Vote Republican?
 
Esn
2012-06-01 02:03:29 AM  
Also, here's the province-specific breakdown if anyone wants it. Even in ultra-Conservative Alberta, only 19% would vote for Republicans.

i.imgur.com]

Makes me proud to live in a (more) sane country, it does.

/Subby
 
2012-06-01 02:14:40 AM  
As a Canadian I like him quite a bit. He has chilled the world scene a lot since '08 and we hear about you guys putting your foot in the door of universal health care and equal rights. He is definitely a centrist though and has maintained some of Bush's neo-con policies but he has also had to deal with a cantankerous opposition. We have a neo-con Prime Minister who tried to get Canada into the Iraq war, and the thought of Romney and him is a bit terrifying. Rmoney calling Russia a "geo-political threat" and talking about with with Iran is unsettling. Anyways, my country voted in Stephen Harper so take anything we say with a grain of salt (though we have 3 left-wing parties and 1 right-wing one).
 
2012-06-01 02:16:42 AM  

Grand_Moff_Joseph: I could be wrong, but I'd bet that their 'conservatives' are to the left of our 'democrats'. The American GOP of today hardly exists in most other places, and where they do, they're a lunatic fringe party.


Not really, Our Conservative party has some real wingnuts, including hardcore fundies(hi there Stockwell Day). They are on a whole, however, not as batshiat insane to the core as the GOP is. For example, no leader of the Conservative Party will have to openly deny evolution in order to get the ballot. In fact if you did odds are you just blew it.
 
2012-06-01 02:19:15 AM  

Grand_Moff_Joseph: I could be wrong, but I'd bet that their 'conservatives' are to the left of our 'democrats'. The American GOP of today hardly exists in most other places, and where they do, they're a lunatic fringe party.


Pretty much. And Obama is a centre-right politician. He'd probably be ok among the Tories of old. Although, if y'all don't want him, I'd be happy for him to come up here and head up the Liberals. They need charismatic leadership to defeat PM Sweatervest.


Esn: Makes me proud to live in a (more) sane country, it does.


As a fellow Canadian, all I can say to you in rebuttal is: Stephen Harper.

Until we get rid of him, we should feel nothing but shame.
 
Esn
2012-06-01 02:23:23 AM  

ordinarysteve: As a Canadian I like him quite a bit. He has chilled the world scene a lot since '08 and we hear about you guys putting your foot in the door of universal health care and equal rights. He is definitely a centrist though and has maintained some of Bush's neo-con policies but he has also had to deal with a cantankerous opposition. We have a neo-con Prime Minister who tried to get Canada into the Iraq war, and the thought of Romney and him is a bit terrifying. Rmoney calling Russia a "geo-political threat" and talking about with with Iran is unsettling. Anyways, my country voted in Stephen Harper so take anything we say with a grain of salt (though we have 3 left-wing parties and 1 right-wing one).


Out of curiosity, which one of our 4 opposition parties are you not counting as being left-wing, the Bloc Quebecois or the Greens? Each one of them has good arguments for being considered left-wing or not... i.e. the Bloc is primarily a sovereigntist party but outside of that it is probably the most left-wing party of the lot. The Greens are traditionally more centrist but have taken on some left-wing positions under May such as a minimum living wage.
 
2012-06-01 02:26:33 AM  

Flappyhead: Our Conservative party has some real wingnuts, including hardcore fundies(hi there Stockwell Day).


True, but that really only dates back to the merger of the PCs and the Reform party. It's a pretty new development. I'm not sure if that's a good or a bad thing.

ordinarysteve: We have a neo-con Prime Minister who tried to get Canada into the Iraq war, and the thought of Romney and him is a bit terrifying.


Well now I'm feeling a bit like a dog traveling with the Romney family.

Flappyhead: For example, no leader of the Conservative Party will have to openly deny evolution in order to get the ballot. In fact if you did odds are you just blew it.


Gary Goodyear.
 
2012-06-01 02:26:50 AM  
Well... if it is any comfort at all, I'm pretty sure President Obama will be reelected. We obviously have a fair amount of people who have pushed straight by conservative and are now full on regressives... but... they're not the majority. In fact, they're a pretty small minority. They're just really farking loud. I know it bugs you guys... it bugs us too. We've tried to ask them to calm the fark down but they just cry louder when we do that. At this point, we're just kind of hoping they will tire themselves out and take a nap so the rest of us can get a few moments of peace.
 
2012-06-01 02:27:11 AM  
Because now a conservative in America is someone that doesn't read, doesn't have an education, hates homosexuals, loves Jesus, believes anything that a screaming hate filled fat idiot says, and can't work a computer unless it has a logo of a half eaten apple on it.
 
2012-06-01 02:27:44 AM  

Esn: ordinarysteve:

Out of curiosity, which one of our 4 opposition parties are you not counting as being left-wing, the Bloc Quebecois or the Greens? Each one of them has good arguments for being considered left-wing or not... i.e. the Bloc is primarily a sovereigntist party but outside of that it is probably the most left-wing party of the lot. The Greens are traditionally more centrist but have taken on some left-wing positions under May such as a minimum living wage.


I was counting the Bloc and not even mentioning the Green. Not that I begrudge them but they are right-wing economically and have only ever gotten 1 seat. They would have a voice if we get proportional representation though. Until then, we get May's thoughts on environmental issues on cbc which is good.
 
2012-06-01 02:28:38 AM  

jekxrb: Esn: Makes me proud to live in a (more) sane country, it does.

As a fellow Canadian, all I can say to you in rebuttal is: Stephen Harper.

Until we get rid of him, we should feel nothing but shame.


That had more to do with the split on the left than anything else. If the Liberals can get their shiat together or the NDP can keep rolling despite Laytons death, Sweatervest is gone next election.
 
2012-06-01 02:32:29 AM  

jekxrb: .

Flappyhead: For example, no leader of the Conservative Party will have to openly deny evolution in order to get the ballot. In fact if you did odds are you just blew it.

Gary Goodyear.


I said leader of the Party. There's always going to be an MP or two who gets in despite denying reality. Let's not forget the coast to coast ridicule Stockwell got subjected to after his fundy get away weekend was made public.
 
2012-06-01 02:36:53 AM  

pippi longstocking: Because now a conservative in America is someone that doesn't read, doesn't have an education, hates homosexuals, loves Jesus, believes anything that a screaming hate filled fat idiot says, and can't work a computer unless it has a logo of a half eaten apple on it.


www.rclol.com

Flappyhead: That had more to do with the split on the left than anything else


Maybe. And a few stolen elections... But it's pretty depressing to have given him free rein, no matter how it happened. I just hope one of the parties can get its shiat together by the next election so that perhaps some of the damage he's done might be reversible.
 
2012-06-01 02:37:33 AM  

ordinarysteve: Esn: ordinarysteve:

Out of curiosity, which one of our 4 opposition parties are you not counting as being left-wing, the Bloc Quebecois or the Greens? Each one of them has good arguments for being considered left-wing or not... i.e. the Bloc is primarily a sovereigntist party but outside of that it is probably the most left-wing party of the lot. The Greens are traditionally more centrist but have taken on some left-wing positions under May such as a minimum living wage.

I was counting the Bloc and not even mentioning the Green. Not that I begrudge them but they are right-wing economically and have only ever gotten 1 seat. They would have a voice if we get proportional representation though. Until then, we get May's thoughts on environmental issues on cbc which is good.


That woman is a nutjob Link

I'm not surprised, we may have elected the 'right' wing party but I think they're still left of the Democrats. That and we're a bit sane.
 
2012-06-01 02:41:21 AM  

Flappyhead: There's always going to be an MP or two who gets in despite denying reality.


He's the Minister for Science and Technology. What message is the PM sending when he appoints someone who does not support evolution to such a position.

But I do concede that were a leader of a major party to openly deny evolution, it would not be a smart move politically.
 
2012-06-01 02:42:39 AM  

change1211: ordinarysteve: Esn: ordinarysteve:

That woman is a nutjob Link

I'm not surprised, we may have elected the 'right' wing party but I think they're still left of the Democrats. That and we're a bit sane.


haha, she has good ideas as well though. I don't usually agree with her because I like realistic environmental solutions but I like that she's there to occasionally yell that trees have feelings too. I would just never vote for them, as is.
 
Esn
2012-06-01 02:48:29 AM  

ordinarysteve: Esn: ordinarysteve:

Out of curiosity, which one of our 4 opposition parties are you not counting as being left-wing, the Bloc Quebecois or the Greens? Each one of them has good arguments for being considered left-wing or not... i.e. the Bloc is primarily a sovereigntist party but outside of that it is probably the most left-wing party of the lot. The Greens are traditionally more centrist but have taken on some left-wing positions under May such as a minimum living wage.

I was counting the Bloc and not even mentioning the Green. Not that I begrudge them but they are right-wing economically and have only ever gotten 1 seat. They would have a voice if we get proportional representation though. Until then, we get May's thoughts on environmental issues on cbc which is good.


Meant to say "basic income guarantee", sorry. Yeah, I like Elizabeth May, too. I don't think we'll ever get proportional representation here (people are too attached to their individual ridings, referendums to change to a mixed-member proportional system failed in both B.C. and Ontario), but if someone proposed French-style Presidential runoff elections for ridings I think a lot of people might support the change - I don't really see any arguments against it. How it would work is that everyone would vote for 1st, 2nd and 3rd choices in their ridings, and if nobody gets over 50% first choices, the 2nd choice votes are released. If this system had been in place in our last election, Harper wouldn't have won (naturally, because none of the other parties' 2nd choices are likely to be Conservative).
 
2012-06-01 02:49:41 AM  

jekxrb: Flappyhead: There's always going to be an MP or two who gets in despite denying reality.

He's the Minister for Science and Technology. What message is the PM sending when he appoints someone who does not support evolution to such a position.


That he's fairly confident the left can't beat him in another election. I know this sucks now but look at it from another perspective. He's twisting miles and miles of rope to hang himself with. The damage he's doing isn't permanent and a strong opponent next time around should oust him rather handily.
 
2012-06-01 02:58:22 AM  

Flappyhead: The damage he's doing isn't permanent and a strong opponent next time around should oust him rather handily.


I really, really hope you're right. On both counts.
 
2012-06-01 03:00:09 AM  

jekxrb: Flappyhead: The damage he's doing isn't permanent and a strong opponent next time around should oust him rather handily.

I really, really hope you're right. On both counts.


So do I, and I've voted Conservative most of my life(I returned my ballot last time out).
 
Esn
2012-06-01 03:05:57 AM  

change1211:
That woman is a nutjob Link


Her side of the story here. When she was young, she fought against a number of things that nobody else considered to be dangerous (remember those happy ads where playing children were sprayed with DDT, for example?). It only makes sense that she continues to be wary of mainstream views on these things to this day, having been proven right before - even if she turns out to be wrong, I'm glad to have somebody looking into it.
 
2012-06-01 04:00:22 AM  

Esn: change1211:
That woman is a nutjob Link

Her side of the story here. When she was young, she fought against a number of things that nobody else considered to be dangerous (remember those happy ads where playing children were sprayed with DDT, for example?). It only makes sense that she continues to be wary of mainstream views on these things to this day, having been proven right before - even if she turns out to be wrong, I'm glad to have somebody looking into it.


I'm sorry but I'll never believe that she is anything less than nuts. That just sounds like her backtracking because of an embarrassing statement she made. She sounds just like the people who think the Smart Meters will cause cancer.
 
2012-06-01 04:15:53 AM  

Esn: change1211:
That woman is a nutjob Link

Her side of the story here. When she was young, she fought against a number of things that nobody else considered to be dangerous (remember those happy ads where playing children were sprayed with DDT, for example?). It only makes sense that she continues to be wary of mainstream views on these things to this day, having been proven right before - even if she turns out to be wrong, I'm glad to have somebody looking into it.


"I'm glad I have a broken clock, because it's right not just once, but twice a day!"
 
2012-06-01 05:29:34 AM  
You could fit Canada's armed forces in a college stadium, who gives a shiat what they think. If it weren't for the US, Canada would not exist. And why do 90% live so close to the border,

/Go Canada, you suck.
 
2012-06-01 05:43:08 AM  
... and i care because?
 
2012-06-01 05:47:05 AM  

Grand_Moff_Joseph: I could be wrong, but I'd bet that their 'conservatives' are to the left of our 'democrats'. The American GOP of today hardly exists in most other places, and where they do, they're a lunatic fringe party.


The difference between the right wing in the US and the right wing in Canada is that Canada's isn't predominantly powered by evangelicalism and social issues. Abortion and gay marriage are considered settled issues, and those who do bring them up are silenced pretty quickly, and religion and politics aren't interbred like they are in the US. If the Republicans weren't spending so much time and effort on those issues, what they'd be left to focus on would be pretty much a direct parallel to Harper: cutting corporate taxes, reducing environmental regulations, closing government departments, military funding boondoggles, relaxing corporate foreign ownership regulations, eliminating the long form census, legislatively undermining unions etc.

IMO the gap is magnified because of the amount of special interest money that's funnelled into US elections, especially when its intended use is to advance a specific religious, social, or corporate agenda. With Harper phasing out public election financing, I think we'll start to see that gap close.
 
2012-06-01 06:20:45 AM  

apoptotic: The difference between the right wing in the US and the right wing in Canada is that Canada's isn't predominantly powered by evangelicalism and social issues


the right in the US is now predominately powered by two issues, You read you many fark threads that are filled with left opinions and that's what you think. The far right, for sure, but they are not 80 of the right's view as fark progs would like you to believe. Just look at the comments in any politics thread and over 3/4 just agree with what someone else said.
 
2012-06-01 07:05:36 AM  
To put it in perspective, only about 38% of voters voted for Canada's current Conservative government, and only about half of Canadians were voters in the last election.

So roughly only 20% of Canadians actively wanted to see our Conservatives in power, and of that 20%, only half of them would vote for Romney.

Which is not nearly as staggering a lede as 9% of Canadians would vote for the platform that Romney is selling.

/ carry on
 
2012-06-01 07:17:01 AM  
I hear that Romney has the dog vote locked down. That offsets Canadians and makes them about even in the all-important "voting-bloc-that-can't-vote" vote.
/"Canadians"? Seriously??
 
2012-06-01 08:21:36 AM  
Straight to .pdf download?
Fark that.

Esn: Also, here's the province-specific breakdown if anyone wants it. Even in ultra-Conservative Alberta, only 19% would vote for Republicans.

[i.imgur.com image 504x381]]

Makes me proud to live in a (more) sane country, it does.

/Subby


I see Obifartbama has the rest of the world fooled.
Gitmo still open, Afghan disaster in its 11th year, banks all set, eavesdropping, global war on brown people, governing to the right of Richard Nixon, etc.
 
2012-06-01 09:03:38 AM  

ecmoRandomNumbers: DeltaPunch: Well maybe it's because Obama has been the best Republican president in the last 30 years.

Bill Clinton was a pretty damned good Republican, too.


Financially, I had the best years of my life (so far) when he was president. My income stagnated under Bush II, and then I got laid off in 2008. It's been getting better for me, employment-wise starting in 2009....

conclusion: Republicans are bad for my personal finances.

/ didn't do so well in the early 90's, when Bush I was in power.
 
2012-06-01 09:27:35 AM  
So Obama is automatically elected President for life and Mitt Romney has to open a magic underwear-only dry cleaner.
 
2012-06-01 09:40:40 AM  
Just returned from Canadian vacation last week, and the politics there are sure interesting

The big issue was the changing of the Employment Insurance (which in the US we would call Unemployment). Lots of "the sky is falling" talk from both CBC and the privately-owned media.

However, when you look at what the new reimbursement rules would be....it would make most American liberals super-envious...heck would make most American liberals feel "conservative". Of course, American conservatives would think the Harper government was "to the left of Obama" seeing how generous the changes would be (at least compared to most of the US and unemployment)

The Canadian political mindset is much different than the US. PM Harper and his party would be more at home with Blue Dog Democrats than the GOP.

However, the really good thing about the Canadian political mindset is that Canucks are way more aware of the world around them than Americans are....much more cosmopolitan in their outlook. In a small Canadian town, this Yank never feels or is treated like an outsider.....though in some parts of the US South....there are people so provincial there they would have me swinging from a tree with a rope attached to my neck
 
2012-06-01 10:00:57 AM  
You know, subby, we had a couple of wars with Canada to address this issue some time back. They have their government, and we have ours. Let's try to respect that.
 
2012-06-01 10:58:23 AM  
Obviously only 9% of Canadians have dual citizenship and therefore 100% of Canadians who could vote in America would choose Romney.
 
2012-06-01 11:30:22 AM  

5Nickels: You could fit Canada's armed forces in a college stadium, who gives a shiat what they think. If it weren't for the US, Canada would not exist. And why do 90% live so close to the border,

/Go Canada, you suck.


Considering your claims in your Fark Bio, you sure sound like one of the people you say can't have an adult conversation. Run along now, son, the grownups are talking.
 
2012-06-01 12:06:07 PM  

bestie1: ... and i care because?


damn, came here to say the exact same thing.
 
2012-06-01 12:17:40 PM  
Our PM recently came out to calm down an issue where out of country gays married in Canada might have their marriages annulled. He supported their right to marry.

Can you imagine anyone in the GOP, even the majority of democrats, doing that.

And Harper is a conservative.

The issue is the word, you see conservative does not mean religious nutbar. It can mean small gov't that keeps out of the way as well.

I'm a conservative Canadian, and I don't want to see the state ban abortion, gay marriage etc:

I think pot should be de-criminalized, but I think Polygamy won't work in a world of equal rights and property rights and easy divorce, so keep it off the table otherwise it will cost the state too much money to manage.
 
2012-06-01 01:30:51 PM  

5Nickels: You could fit Canada's armed forces in a college stadium, who gives a shiat what they think. If it weren't for the US, Canada would not exist. And why do 90% live so close to the border,

/Go Canada, you suck.


no, if it weren't for the British defending Canada against America, Canadians would be American
 
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