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2012-05-31 10:30:00 AM  
Those who do not study their history are damned to repeat it....
 
jbc [TotalFark]
2012-05-31 10:35:41 AM  
The last time was 2008, Subby, unless all of Obama's screwing around with the time machine put us in a different timeline.
 
2012-05-31 10:37:26 AM  
If only he had had the decency to not be black and have a good normal white name, we could really say he's a bon afide american.
 
2012-05-31 10:59:13 AM  

Adjective Bird Whiskey: If only he had had the decency to not be black and have a good normal white name, we could really say he's a bon afide american.


I have to say, While I certainly expected a black president in my lifetime, I expected he'd have a very "non-ethnic" name like Joe Smith or, at worst, "Colin Powell", I was pleasantly suprised that we not only elected a black man but one with a name as biggity-biggity-black ya'll as Barack Hussien OBAMA
 
2012-05-31 11:01:03 AM  

jbc: The last time was 2008, Subby, unless all of Obama's screwing around with the time machine put us in a different timeline.


Honestly, to McCain's credit, I idn't really see the GOP per se, running on the brither issue last time around, it was more part of the fringe whispering campaign. IT really only took off inthe GOP mainstream after Obama got elected and the shell-shocked faithful were grasping at any straw to make it not so, or not count somehow.
 
2012-05-31 11:11:01 AM  
Not that long ago: "I am a natural born citizen. My parents were American citizens. I was a citizen at birth." -George Romney, who was born in Mexico.

Even more interesting:

At one point, the Congressional Research Service - an arm of the Library of Congress that is supposed to provide authoritative but impartial research for elected members - advised that its analysts agreed with George Romney, according to a congressional source.

In a paper in November aimed at clarifying presidential eligibility, the Congressional Research Service declared that the practical, legal meaning of "natural born citizen" would "most likely include" not only anyone born on U.S. soil but anyone born overseas of at least one parent who was a U.S. citizen.
 
2012-05-31 11:15:45 AM  
j.wigflip.com
 
2012-05-31 11:24:32 AM  
The GOP has absorbed all the crazy in this country and now enough of the crazy votes to control the party. They are slaves to stuff like this.
 
2012-05-31 11:27:45 AM  
Artbongo!!!
 
2012-05-31 11:28:21 AM  
You know, I read somewhere that a professor at LaGrange College--I think his name was John Tures--found evidence that Obama was actually born in Yemen. Did anyone else read that?

...sounds like it should be investigated.
 
2012-05-31 11:29:59 AM  
Is the 'Natural Born Citizen' clause even relevant in this day & age? No one's likely to hand the US back to the British Crown anytime soon. It's an archaic requirement and should be dropped.

/Then I could run in 4 years.
 
2012-05-31 11:34:39 AM  

LucklessWonder: Is the 'Natural Born Citizen' clause even relevant in this day & age? No one's likely to hand the US back to the British Crown anytime soon. It's an archaic requirement and should be dropped.

/Then I could run in 4 years.


It's interesting that Until Obama started running the GOP were the ones spear-heading the repeal of the "natural born" requirement, going so far as to introduce Constitutional Amendments to do away with it. Of course that was back when they thought Arnold Schwarzenegger was a Republican, and nobody had heard of Barack Obama
 
2012-05-31 11:37:14 AM  

CPennypacker: The GOP has absorbed all the crazy in this country and now enough of the crazy votes to control the party. They are slaves to stuff like this.


I don't even think it's the crazy fringe, necessarily. Racist derp seems to appeal to the majority of the party.

My cousin is college-educated and a business owner. On the whole, he's a competent and intelligent adult. He does not consider himself a birther, but he is 100% convinced Obama is trying to destroy the country because he's fueled by hatred for white people.

Anyways, I hope Romney continues to embrace birthers, and I hope a Super PAC decides to go with the Jeremiah Wright attacks. The GOP base loves it, and it forces them to put racial issues upfront, which will go terribly for them as they will look like racist shiatbags to the rest of the country.
 
2012-05-31 11:37:39 AM  
Chester A. Arthur sad.
 
jbc [TotalFark]
2012-05-31 11:37:39 AM  

Magorn: jbc: The last time was 2008, Subby, unless all of Obama's screwing around with the time machine put us in a different timeline.

Honestly, to McCain's credit, I idn't really see the GOP per se, running on the brither issue last time around, it was more part of the fringe whispering campaign. IT really only took off inthe GOP mainstream after Obama got elected and the shell-shocked faithful were grasping at any straw to make it not so, or not count somehow.


Farkers were well aware of this nonsense (and pointing birthers to Snopes) in 2008. Clueless old ladies were asking McCain about it at his rallies, and his tepid response didn't put an end to the idea.
 
2012-05-31 11:44:22 AM  
At this point even IF it was proven beyond a shadow of a doubt do you really think PMSNBC and the like would allow this to make a big story? They would suppress it
 
2012-05-31 11:49:42 AM  

Oldiron_79: At this point even IF it was proven beyond a shadow of a doubt do you really think PMSNBC and the like would allow this to make a big story? They would suppress it


You mean that channel that nobody ever watches?
 
2012-05-31 11:52:45 AM  
This is the second article in as many days to try to spin birthers as "Democrats did it first!".

I'mma go listen to some Dead or Alive.
 
2012-05-31 11:52:58 AM  
Putting aside the racist double-standard, the whole tactic reeks of desperation; instead of going after the candidate, they're going after where he happens to be born in order to win on a technicality. But even if they could prove their allegations beyond any doubt (which they can't), the only recourse to unseat a sitting president is an impeachment trial - which was a catastrophic failure the last time around.

It's a complete loser from any angle.
 
2012-05-31 11:54:28 AM  

Oldiron_79: At this point even IF it was proven beyond a shadow of a doubt do you really think PMSNBC and the like would allow this to make a big story? They would suppress it


It'd mean huge ratings for whoever broke the story with absolute, incontrovertible proof. They wouldn't suppress it at all, they want the eyeballs for their commercials.
 
2012-05-31 11:59:35 AM  

lemurs: Putting aside the racist double-standard, the whole tactic reeks of desperation; instead of going after the candidate, they're going after where he happens to be born in order to win on a technicality.


You're need to catch up on your talking points. Obama's not American "in his heart." Unlike the facebook guy who renounced his citizenship to avoid paying taxes.

They want to somehow prove he's not American, but if they can't, them feeling like he's not American is good enough.
 
2012-05-31 12:02:13 PM  
Chester A. Arthur was a fraternity brother of mine - boy, could that dude party!

/Psi Upsilon
 
2012-05-31 12:03:26 PM  

sweetmelissa31: [j.wigflip.com image 473x511]


He looks like the cheezburger cat.
 
2012-05-31 12:10:04 PM  
You guys just LOVE to lump the entire GOP in with a small group of idiots who keep on bringing up this retarded non-issue. It's not going to work.
 
2012-05-31 12:11:07 PM  

Magorn: I have to say, While I certainly expected a black president in my lifetime, I expected he'd have a very "non-ethnic" name like Joe Smith or, at worst, "Colin Powell", I was pleasantly suprised that we not only elected a black man but one with a name as biggity-biggity-black ya'll as Barack Hussien OBAMA


This so much
 
2012-05-31 12:13:07 PM  

The_Sheriff_Is_A_Niiii: You guys just LOVE to lump the entire GOP in with a small group of idiots who keep on bringing up this retarded non-issue. It's not going to work.


You mean like the guy Romney's been campaigning with this week?
 
2012-05-31 12:13:24 PM  
 
2012-05-31 12:14:01 PM  

Magorn: It's interesting that Until Obama started running the GOP were the ones spear-heading the repeal of the "natural born" requirement, going so far as to introduce Constitutional Amendments to do away with it. Of course that was back when they thought Arnold Schwarzenegger was a Republican, and nobody had heard of Barack Obama


and this one too
 
2012-05-31 12:14:44 PM  

The_Sheriff_Is_A_Niiii: You guys just LOVE to lump the entire GOP in with a small group of idiots who keep on bringing up this retarded non-issue. It's not going to work.


Don't be disingenous. The "birther" position takes up a large majority of "the base", and the rank and file is, for some reason, scared of pissing off the base. I have no idea why, it's not as if the birthers are gonna jump fences and vote for the opposition, but the rank and file are scared of 'em.

So until the GOP starts self-policing and shutting the idiots up, Buckley style, instead of pandering to them - like most recently Arizona - yeah, they deserve to get lumped in with them.
 
2012-05-31 12:20:37 PM  

The_Sheriff_Is_A_Niiii: You guys just LOVE to lump the entire GOP in with a small group of idiots who keep on bringing up this retarded non-issue. It's not going to work.


If by "you guys" you mean Romney, who point-blank refused to repudiate this "small group of idiots" for fear of backlash, sure.
 
2012-05-31 12:22:37 PM  

Magorn: Honestly, to McCain's credit, I idn't really see the GOP per se, running on the brither issue last time around, it was more part of the fringe whispering campaign. IT really only took off inthe GOP mainstream after Obama got elected and the shell-shocked faithful were grasping at any straw to make it not so, or not count somehow.


It was actually started by Hillary's opposition people. McCain refused to give it any credence during the election to his credit (and as he was actually born in what is now a foreign country, it wasn't an issue he wanted to touch). But I agree that it did take off as an "issue" in January 2009.
 
2012-05-31 12:23:17 PM  

The_Sheriff_Is_A_Niiii: You guys just LOVE to lump the entire GOP in with a small group of idiots who keep on bringing up this retarded non-issue. It's not going to work.


I couldn't find more recent data, but a poll from 13 months ago says:

a) you're wrong
b) you're borderline retarded
c) your concern trolling is laughable
d) all of the above

Answer: D

Source: Link
 
2012-05-31 12:23:29 PM  
Rush-listening, church-going, conservative Republican office mate on the Birther issue:

"It doesn't matter at this point if he was born in the US or not. I don't think he was, I think he was born in Indonesia. But, it doesn't matter. When he took the oath, he became the President of the United States, even though I think he lied and cheated his way into office. But that doesn't matter, either. What matters is getting a real, God-fearing conservative American into the White House as soon as possible, before that man fulfills his destiny of grinding the soul of the United States under his heel. He is the most dangerous man in America."

So, there's that.
 
2012-05-31 12:25:39 PM  

starsrift: The_Sheriff_Is_A_Niiii: You guys just LOVE to lump the entire GOP in with a small group of idiots who keep on bringing up this retarded non-issue. It's not going to work.

Don't be disingenous. The "birther" position takes up a large majority of "the base", and the rank and file is, for some reason, scared of pissing off the base. I have no idea why, it's not as if the birthers are gonna jump fences and vote for the opposition, but the rank and file are scared of 'em.

So until the GOP starts self-policing and shutting the idiots up, Buckley style, instead of pandering to them - like most recently Arizona - yeah, they deserve to get lumped in with them.


I don't disagree with you that Romney needs to tell Trump to go fark himself but to say "the base" are mostly birthers is absurd and you know it.
 
2012-05-31 12:25:43 PM  
All right, this is funny enough that the author must actually be a Farker, which one of you goes by the name Professor John A. Tures, LaGrange College?

Birther 1.0, version 2008, was that Obama was born in Hawaii before it became a state. After it was pointed out that even if that were the case, John McCain was born in the Panama Canal Zone, and it had to be revamped. Birther 2.0, version 2009, was that Obama was born in Kenya. After that claim initially fizzled, it seemed advantageous to upgrade to Birther 3.0, version 2010: Obama was born in Indonesia. But now, thanks to a publicity agent's flub, they've rebooted Birther 2.0. Yemen should come up sometime during the election.
 
2012-05-31 12:26:46 PM  
CorporatePerson:

You're need to catch up on your talking points. Obama's not American "in his heart." Unlike the facebook guy who renounced his citizenship to avoid paying taxes.

They want to somehow prove he's not American, but if they can't, them feeling like he's not American is good enough.


But if feeling like he's not American is enough ("he don't love NASCAR and apple pie!"), why bother with trying to prove it? Are they hoping to put an asterisk next to Obama in the history books? Maybe I'm not derpy enough, but the whole exercise comes across as tilting at windmills.
 
2012-05-31 12:27:39 PM  

The_Sheriff_Is_A_Niiii: starsrift: The_Sheriff_Is_A_Niiii: You guys just LOVE to lump the entire GOP in with a small group of idiots who keep on bringing up this retarded non-issue. It's not going to work.

Don't be disingenous. The "birther" position takes up a large majority of "the base", and the rank and file is, for some reason, scared of pissing off the base. I have no idea why, it's not as if the birthers are gonna jump fences and vote for the opposition, but the rank and file are scared of 'em.

So until the GOP starts self-policing and shutting the idiots up, Buckley style, instead of pandering to them - like most recently Arizona - yeah, they deserve to get lumped in with them.

I don't disagree with you that Romney needs to tell Trump to go fark himself but to say "the base" are mostly birthers is absurd and you know it.


47% is not mostly birthers, but it's damn close, too close for you to say it's absurd. (see my Link that I posted above that you are obviously ignoring)
 
2012-05-31 12:28:45 PM  

Magorn: LucklessWonder: Is the 'Natural Born Citizen' clause even relevant in this day & age? No one's likely to hand the US back to the British Crown anytime soon. It's an archaic requirement and should be dropped.

/Then I could run in 4 years.

It's interesting that Until Obama started running the GOP were the ones spear-heading the repeal of the "natural born" requirement, going so far as to introduce Constitutional Amendments to do away with it. Of course that was back when they thought Arnold Schwarzenegger was a Republican, and nobody had heard of Barack Obama


Making Arnie President would have made me fear that all restaurants would become Taco Bell...
 
2012-05-31 12:30:37 PM  

The_Sheriff_Is_A_Niiii: starsrift: The_Sheriff_Is_A_Niiii: You guys just LOVE to lump the entire GOP in with a small group of idiots who keep on bringing up this retarded non-issue. It's not going to work.

Don't be disingenous. The "birther" position takes up a large majority of "the base", and the rank and file is, for some reason, scared of pissing off the base. I have no idea why, it's not as if the birthers are gonna jump fences and vote for the opposition, but the rank and file are scared of 'em.

So until the GOP starts self-policing and shutting the idiots up, Buckley style, instead of pandering to them - like most recently Arizona - yeah, they deserve to get lumped in with them.

I don't disagree with you that Romney needs to tell Trump to go fark himself but to say "the base" are mostly birthers is absurd and you know it.


While it may not be an absolute majority (50%+), the birthers are more numerous than the "don't knows" and "sure he's American!". Just not combined. Which still makes them -a- majority.
 
2012-05-31 12:30:47 PM  

jbc: Magorn: jbc: The last time was 2008, Subby, unless all of Obama's screwing around with the time machine put us in a different timeline.

Honestly, to McCain's credit, I idn't really see the GOP per se, running on the brither issue last time around, it was more part of the fringe whispering campaign. IT really only took off inthe GOP mainstream after Obama got elected and the shell-shocked faithful were grasping at any straw to make it not so, or not count somehow.

Farkers were well aware of this nonsense (and pointing birthers to Snopes) in 2008. Clueless old ladies were asking McCain about it at his rallies, and his tepid response didn't put an end to the idea.


His "tepid" responses were MUCH better than anyone else has offered up. Give him some credit, at least. He could be ignoring the questions like Romney, or saying 'That's a good question' and then moving on like Gingrich.
 
2012-05-31 12:43:15 PM  

coeyagi: 47% is not mostly birthers, but it's damn close, too close for you to say it's absurd. (see my Link that I posted above that you are obviously ignoring)


but 50% of the population is of below average intelligence and I am pretty sure the birthers fall into this segment.
 
2012-05-31 12:57:04 PM  
Newsflash:

"GOP" ≠ "Donald Trump"

The Donald has TV Camera ADD, so he periodically does something attention-getting in return for face time. It also gives CNN's viewer a spectacle to relieve the suicide-inducing tedium of their abysmal regular programming.
 
2012-05-31 01:04:47 PM  
Trump is attention whoring to keep his name in the news while at the same time Trolling the Republicans to help the Democrats.
And the Republicans are stupid enough to fall for it.
 
2012-05-31 01:05:24 PM  

jjorsett: Newsflash:

"GOP" ≠ "Donald Trump"


The Republican presidential nominee is using Trump as a spokesman to raise money. Your argument is invalid.
 
2012-05-31 01:05:52 PM  

Magorn: Adjective Bird Whiskey: If only he had had the decency to not be black and have a good normal white name, we could really say he's a bon afide american.

I have to say, While I certainly expected a black president in my lifetime, I expected he'd have a very "non-ethnic" name like Joe Smith or, at worst, "Colin Powell", I was pleasantly suprised that we not only elected a black man but one with a name as biggity-biggity-black ya'll as Barack Hussien OBAMA


Barack Obama (he made a big deal in the election that he didn't want HUSSEIN used when referring to him, and that to do so was racist) is one of those names whose exact ethnicity isn't readily apparent. A "biggity-biggity-black" (whatever the hell that is) name would be something like Mwanjuma Ngozi.
 
2012-05-31 01:14:31 PM  

CorporatePerson: jjorsett: Newsflash:

"GOP" ≠ "Donald Trump"

The Republican presidential nominee is using Trump as a spokesman to raise money. Your argument is invalid.


Horseshiat. Poltical parties are whores who will take money from anybody until they murder someone or commit some other sordid act that makes them radioactive. Trump has given plenty of money to Democrats in the past, which makes your claim nonsense. But I suspect you knew that and are just humping the, "Oh look, he raises money for the GOP so the GOP must agree with him" line, because your guy is an incompetent and you need to get the public to focus on shiny objects rather than his record.
 
2012-05-31 01:15:40 PM  

jjorsett: Newsflash:

"GOP" ≠ "Donald Trump"

The Donald has TV Camera ADD, so he periodically does something attention-getting in return for face time. It also gives CNN's viewer a spectacle to relieve the suicide-inducing tedium of their abysmal regular programming.


That's good that the GOP is keeping their distance from Trump because that would make them look like a joke otherwise.
 
2012-05-31 01:18:19 PM  

jjorsett: CorporatePerson: jjorsett: Newsflash:

"GOP" ≠ "Donald Trump"

The Republican presidential nominee is using Trump as a spokesman to raise money. Your argument is invalid.

Horseshiat. Poltical parties are whores who will take money from anybody until they murder someone or commit some other sordid act that makes them radioactive. Trump has given plenty of money to Democrats in the past, which makes your claim nonsense. But I suspect you knew that and are just humping the, "Oh look, he raises money for the GOP so the GOP must agree with him" line, because your guy is an incompetent and you need to get the public to focus on shiny objects rather than his record.


If "GOP" ≠ "Donald Trump", what does it equal, Romney?
 
2012-05-31 01:24:20 PM  

Bill_Wick's_Friend: jjorsett: "GOP" ≠ "Donald Trump"


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Suitably chastised.

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Now that's that sad. It's like the Crimson Tide going for 2 in the fourth quarter against the Akron Zips.
 
2012-05-31 01:28:52 PM  

jjorsett: Horseshiat. Poltical parties are whores who will take money from anybody until they murder someone or commit some other sordid act that makes them radioactive.


Romney is embracing Trump because racist conspiracy theories doesn't make him radioactive. The base eats it up.

It's not like anybody in the party has the balls to repudiate this nonsense.
 
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