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2012-05-31 10:25:28 AM  
YYYYYEEEEEESSSSSSSSS!!
 
2012-05-31 10:29:41 AM  

browneye: YYYYYEEEEEESSSSSSSSS!!

 
2012-05-31 11:49:52 AM  
I don't believe it. He hasn't screwed up THX-1138 yet.
 
2012-05-31 12:41:48 PM  
he already wrote us that apology, subby. it's called "indiana jones and the kingdom of the crystal skull." you're welcome.
 
2012-05-31 12:50:05 PM  

FloydA: I don't believe it. He hasn't screwed up THX-1138 yet.


He's still busy digitally replacing the midgets with Ewoks.
 
2012-05-31 12:51:36 PM  
Jar Jar Binx.

Never forget.

/Hayden Christensen's acting was actually worse than Jar Jar. Sad, but true.
 
2012-05-31 12:52:50 PM  

FloydA: I don't believe it. He hasn't screwed up THX-1138 yet.


Or American Graffiti.
 
2012-05-31 12:53:17 PM  
About 20 years too late. The damage is done.
 
2012-05-31 12:54:25 PM  

TeddyRooseveltsMustache: Jar Jar Binx.

Never forget.

/Hayden Christensen's acting was actually worse than Jar Jar. Sad, but true.


Your post is irritating, and gets into everything...

..like sand.
 
2012-05-31 12:56:33 PM  
So I was watching Indiana Jones and The Last Crusade last week, and I'm wondering how in the world co-writer George Lucas had a hand in it. Some of the dialogue, particularly between Ford and Connery, is brilliant.
What exactly did Lucas do for this movie and why couldn't he do the same in Star Wars?
Is it 100% the absence of Spielberg?
 
2012-05-31 01:01:07 PM  

Cythraul: TeddyRooseveltsMustache: Jar Jar Binx.

Never forget.

/Hayden Christensen's acting was actually worse than Jar Jar. Sad, but true.

Your post is irritating, and gets into everything...

..like sand.


Well you're either a Jar Jar apologist or a Hayden Christensen fan, so I have no desire to engage in conversation with you.
 
2012-05-31 01:02:35 PM  

Strongbeerrules: FloydA: I don't believe it. He hasn't screwed up THX-1138 yet.

Or American Graffiti.


"In this version, I have digitally replaced Wolfman Jack with Howard Stern. And the bottle of Old Harper that Terry the Toad gets has been replaced by Mountain Dew so as to not encourage teenage drinking."
 
2012-05-31 01:04:25 PM  

TeddyRooseveltsMustache: Cythraul: TeddyRooseveltsMustache: Jar Jar Binx.

Never forget.

/Hayden Christensen's acting was actually worse than Jar Jar. Sad, but true.

Your post is irritating, and gets into everything...

..like sand.

Well you're either a Jar Jar apologist or a Hayden Christensen fan, so I have no desire to engage in conversation with you.


My post was mocking Lucas' horrible writing.

You missed my joke. You missed it.. and now it's gone. Forever. Never to be laughed at.

I has a sad.
 
2012-05-31 01:08:57 PM  
If a movie studio had been responsible for all the versions, revisions, additions, changes, subtractions, and retcons to the Star Wars story over the years, you'd all cry out, "What about Lucas's creative vision? What about his right as a creative artist?"

But, since he's been doing it himself, you cry "thanks for raping my childhood."

Get over yourselves. He's allowed to do whatever he wants. It's his movies. So what? You don't want to watch it? Don't. There's still VHS copies of the first three films out there. Probably some laser discs, too.

Sheesh.
 
2012-05-31 01:11:21 PM  

thomps: he already wrote us that apology, subby. it's called "indiana jones and the kingdom of the crystal skull." you're welcome.


So, it was signed in shiat?
 
2012-05-31 01:13:09 PM  
So who are we going to rely on now to make movies where characters spend 10 minutes walking in front of a green screen?
 
2012-05-31 01:13:37 PM  

mat catastrophe: If a movie studio had been responsible for all the versions, revisions, additions, changes, subtractions, and retcons to the Star Wars story over the years, you'd all cry out, "What about Lucas's creative vision? What about his right as a creative artist?"

But, since he's been doing it himself, you cry "thanks for raping my childhood."

Get over yourselves. He's allowed to do whatever he wants. It's his movies. So what? You don't want to watch it? Don't. There's still VHS copies of the first three films out there. Probably some laser discs, too.

Sheesh.


Person crying about other people crying is amusing.
 
2012-05-31 01:13:50 PM  
Pray for his imminent death, because then we can hand control of the Star Wars property to somebody competent and we can have another trilogy made by a GOOD director.
 
2012-05-31 01:17:07 PM  
He says he is retiring and he will not be involved in any future Star Wars projects, though he will reportedly have a hand in an upcoming live-action Star Wars series that is currently in development. Which says to me that he is not retiring and is still involved in future Star Wars projects.
 
2012-05-31 01:18:51 PM  

FloydA: I don't believe it. He hasn't screwed up THX-1138 yet.


Actually, he has. A director's cut complete with enhanced CGI effects was released on DVD in 2004.
 
2012-05-31 01:21:01 PM  
"I've always wanted to make movies that were more experimental in nature, and not have to worry about them showing in movie theatres."

So, lemme get this straight, you made an "experimental movie" when you made THX1138, and then, years later (and not that long ago) you go back and re-cut the damn thing with cgi to look more Hollywood.

Know what? I call bullshiat.

The Star Wars director revealed earlier this year that he had plans to retire, saying that he has "done everything he's ever wanted to do".

Bullshiat also. If this were true, you'd stop going back to tweak things you did thirty years ago... over and over.

Now if we're to speak of "is he doing anything interesting or meaningful?" Lucas "retired" decades ago, if even that can be said. Most of "Lucas'" best works were collaborative and or extremely derivative- i.e. he's best off when working with (and possibly more important: listening to) others.

He's an excellent businessman, don't get me wrong, he built the franchise up from nothing in a time when no one was buying sci-fi. That's an achievement. What he keeps getting mistaken for is an artist- which he isn't particularly good at, honestly.
 
2012-05-31 01:21:06 PM  
 
2012-05-31 01:22:06 PM  

TeddyRooseveltsMustache: Jar Jar Binx.

Never forget.

/Hayden Christensen's acting was actually worse than Jar Jar. Sad, but true.


Jar Jar was about the only character that HAD character in that movie. That's what's sad.
 
2012-05-31 01:24:58 PM  
i300.photobucket.com
 
2012-05-31 01:30:13 PM  

Cythraul: mat catastrophe: If a movie studio had been responsible for all the versions, revisions, additions, changes, subtractions, and retcons to the Star Wars story over the years, you'd all cry out, "What about Lucas's creative vision? What about his right as a creative artist?"

But, since he's been doing it himself, you cry "thanks for raping my childhood."

Get over yourselves. He's allowed to do whatever he wants. It's his movies. So what? You don't want to watch it? Don't. There's still VHS copies of the first three films out there. Probably some laser discs, too.

Sheesh.

Person crying about other people crying is amusing.


Person crying about person crying about other persons crying is also amusing.

/LET'S GET META, MOTHERFARKERS
 
2012-05-31 01:33:56 PM  

SkunkWerks: "I've always wanted to make movies that were more experimental in nature, and not have to worry about them showing in movie theatres."

So, lemme get this straight, you made an "experimental movie" when you made THX1138, and then, years later (and not that long ago) you go back and re-cut the damn thing with cgi to look more Hollywood.

Know what? I call bullshiat.

The Star Wars director revealed earlier this year that he had plans to retire, saying that he has "done everything he's ever wanted to do".

Bullshiat also. If this were true, you'd stop going back to tweak things you did thirty years ago... over and over.

Now if we're to speak of "is he doing anything interesting or meaningful?" Lucas "retired" decades ago, if even that can be said. Most of "Lucas'" best works were collaborative and or extremely derivative- i.e. he's best off when working with (and possibly more important: listening to) others.

He's an excellent businessman, don't get me wrong, he built the franchise up from nothing in a time when no one was buying sci-fi. That's an achievement. What he keeps getting mistaken for is an artist- which he isn't particularly good at, honestly.


He's also a champion of human rights, getting Red Tails produced at a time when Hollywood just wouldn't accept black actors in lead roles. 2012.

That's when I really started thinking his turn to the douche side was complete. When he gets in front of Oprah and says that no one wanted his movie because, "They're all too racist to support a black cast".
 
Skr
2012-05-31 01:34:19 PM  
"I'm going to retire to my garage with my saw and hammer and build hobby movies." So close. He is just going to go play in his own sandbox where he makes all of the rules.
 
2012-05-31 01:36:56 PM  
Why'd he have to go a wreck the Star Wars brand?

/Answer: Marketing loot.
 
2012-05-31 01:44:25 PM  

bifford: Pray for his imminent death, because then we can hand control of the Star Wars property to somebody competent and we can have another trilogy made by a GOOD director.


I would like to see it directed by Brad Bird.
 
2012-05-31 01:51:30 PM  
There was only ever 1 good Star Wars film. 2 of the original 3 were dreck as well. Really, it's a miracle that the man created even 1 good film in his career.
 
2012-05-31 01:51:43 PM  
Thanks George!! Loved the originals of Star Wars and Indiana Jones. Hope all the whiny biatches who begged for more in the 80's and 90's only to accuse you of raping their childhoods when you made them can still appreciate the originals. I sure do.
 
2012-05-31 01:52:48 PM  

SkunkWerks: Jar Jar was about the only character that HAD character in that movie. That's what's sad.


Is it worse to have no character at all, or to be openly racist?
 
2012-05-31 01:59:54 PM  
People gnashing their teeth about George Lucas? Must be a day ending in -y.
 
2012-05-31 02:07:21 PM  
Damn you crybabies can hold a grudge. No one's invoked Red Letter Media yet?
 
2012-05-31 02:24:33 PM  

Nana's Vibrator: So I was watching Indiana Jones and The Last Crusade last week, and I'm wondering how in the world co-writer George Lucas had a hand in it. Some of the dialogue, particularly between Ford and Connery, is brilliant.
What exactly did Lucas do for this movie and why couldn't he do the same in Star Wars?
Is it 100% the absence of Spielberg?


Probably, though I got a different feeling while watching the three of them again this past weekend. It felt exactly like watching Star Wars. You have the "hero" them whenever Luke/Indiana does something special, the "empire" theme whenever Darth Vader/the Nazis walk into the room and the campy "action" themes whenever they're chasing/being chased by Sword-wielding brown people/Stormtroopers. Even the way the movies are pieced together with mini sub-arcs is almost exactly the same.
 
2012-05-31 02:26:07 PM  
www.slipperybrick.com

/a man can dream...
 
2012-05-31 02:30:59 PM  

Mugato: Damn you crybabies can hold a grudge. No one's invoked Red Letter Media yet?


That's a good point. If anyone hasn't seen it, Red Letter Media has a fantastic and eviscerating review of the prequels, covering most every flaw in the film with a keen eye for film making. Worth checking out.

Thanks, Mugato, I almost forgot about mentioning that.
 
2012-05-31 02:38:49 PM  

born_yesterday: Thanks, Mugato, I almost forgot about mentioning that.


Yeah, I thought there were a lack of parrots in this thread.
 
2012-05-31 02:40:46 PM  

Brainsick: [www.slipperybrick.com image 500x406]

/a man can dream...


That made my day, thank you.
 
2012-05-31 02:58:40 PM  
I don't hate the prequels, I just hate some of the actors and some of the parts. Of course, the best was McGregor. He was spot on capturing Alec Guinness and his Kenobi mannerisms while also bringing some humor to the role.
 
2012-05-31 03:02:49 PM  

born_yesterday: SkunkWerks: "I've always wanted to make movies that were more experimental in nature, and not have to worry about them showing in movie theatres."

So, lemme get this straight, you made an "experimental movie" when you made THX1138, and then, years later (and not that long ago) you go back and re-cut the damn thing with cgi to look more Hollywood.

Know what? I call bullshiat.

The Star Wars director revealed earlier this year that he had plans to retire, saying that he has "done everything he's ever wanted to do".

Bullshiat also. If this were true, you'd stop going back to tweak things you did thirty years ago... over and over.

Now if we're to speak of "is he doing anything interesting or meaningful?" Lucas "retired" decades ago, if even that can be said. Most of "Lucas'" best works were collaborative and or extremely derivative- i.e. he's best off when working with (and possibly more important: listening to) others.

He's an excellent businessman, don't get me wrong, he built the franchise up from nothing in a time when no one was buying sci-fi. That's an achievement. What he keeps getting mistaken for is an artist- which he isn't particularly good at, honestly.

He's also a champion of human rights, getting Red Tails produced at a time when Hollywood just wouldn't accept black actors in lead roles. 2012.

That's when I really started thinking his turn to the douche side was complete. When he gets in front of Oprah and says that no one wanted his movie because, "They're all too racist to support a black cast".


it was a little cheezy, but i liked 'red tails' . why is it that Lucas can figure out action scenes without shaking the camera or spinning it endlessly (ala Bay) ?

as to the racism of hollywood... you really argue that they wouldn't support it ?? all they look at is the bottom line, and apparently a movie about blacks doing anything other than being gangster is not a money maker.
 
2012-05-31 03:18:08 PM  
"yipeeeee".
 
2012-05-31 03:24:16 PM  

inner ted: it was a little cheezy, but i liked 'red tails' . why is it that Lucas can figure out action scenes without shaking the camera or spinning it endlessly (ala Bay) ?


He didn't direct the film. He didn't direct Indy 4 either but continue the hate.
 
2012-05-31 03:50:17 PM  

bifford: Pray for his imminent death, because then we can hand control of the Star Wars property to somebody competent and we can have another trilogy made by a GOOD director.


At his age, you'd hope he'd have found a protege whom he trusts with the franchise. I'd really like to see (and so would everyone else, I'm sure) someone have a go at one of the storylines of Han and Leia's family and Luke and Mara Jade and the battles between the Empire and New Republic.

Any volunteers?
 
2012-05-31 03:51:30 PM  

Mugato: inner ted: it was a little cheezy, but i liked 'red tails' . why is it that Lucas can figure out action scenes without shaking the camera or spinning it endlessly (ala Bay) ?

He didn't direct the film. He didn't direct Indy 4 either but continue the hate.


stop acting as though he had nothing to do with these flicks.

lol where did you read hate in what i wrote???

but since you are begging for it: indy 4 was a travesty and if he had the balls to put his name on it, regardless of his involvement, then he can take a bit of abuse over it.

just like he can take the credit for red tails, even if he didn't direct it.

/han shot first
 
2012-05-31 04:01:48 PM  

bifford: Pray for his imminent death, because then we can hand control of the Star Wars property to somebody competent and we can have another trilogy made by a GOOD director.


I pray for the imminent death of all the Lucas-hating fanboys. It will make the internet, and therefore the WORLD, a better place.

Imagine a world with nobody biatching endlessly about the prequels, saying the same things over and over and over again. All those people gone, no longer watching or linking others to the RLM reviews again and again. The bandwidth saved alone would allow internet providers with 100Mbps unlimited broadband for everyone!
 
2012-05-31 04:12:22 PM  
Good riddance. He's come off as an idiot in most interviews I've seen him in for years now, and hasn't done anything worthwhile.

He had a hand in some of my favorite movies ever. But, that was a long time ago.

I can live with the quality of the versions I have. Though, I may try Harmy's fan-edits when I've got some extra download usage to burn...
 
2012-05-31 04:18:51 PM  
Did he ever say he was doing Indy 5? Would that be an "obligation" then?
 
2012-05-31 04:25:14 PM  

RJames: Good riddance. He's come off as an idiot in most interviews I've seen him in for years now, and hasn't done anything worthwhile.


I think everyone who works at ILM and Skywalker Sound would say otherwise. You actually don't know dick about what Lucas does.
 
2012-05-31 04:29:02 PM  

Mugato: RJames: Good riddance. He's come off as an idiot in most interviews I've seen him in for years now, and hasn't done anything worthwhile.

I think everyone who works at ILM and Skywalker Sound would say otherwise. You actually don't know dick about what Lucas does.


Luckily, your knowledge of his dick is enough for both of us.
 
2012-05-31 04:33:10 PM  

TeddyRooseveltsMustache: Jar Jar Binx.

Never forget.

/Hayden Christensen's acting was actually worse than Jar Jar. Sad, but true.


I'm reluctant to judge Christensen's acting without seeing him in something else. After all, Natalie Portman's character was just as wooden, and we know that she can act.

Bad directing prevents good acting.
 
2012-05-31 04:53:53 PM  

Some 'Splainin' To Do: TeddyRooseveltsMustache: Jar Jar Binx.

Never forget.

/Hayden Christensen's acting was actually worse than Jar Jar. Sad, but true.

I'm reluctant to judge Christensen's acting without seeing him in something else. After all, Natalie Portman's character was just as wooden, and we know that she can act.

Bad directing prevents good acting.


Well, so does a green screen, imho. Still, didn't stop Neeson and McGregor from acting, though.
 
2012-05-31 05:18:18 PM  

bhcompy: Some 'Splainin' To Do: TeddyRooseveltsMustache: Jar Jar Binx.

Never forget.

/Hayden Christensen's acting was actually worse than Jar Jar. Sad, but true.

I'm reluctant to judge Christensen's acting without seeing him in something else. After all, Natalie Portman's character was just as wooden, and we know that she can act.

Bad directing prevents good acting.

Well, so does a green screen, imho. Still, didn't stop Neeson and McGregor from acting, though.


I'd argue that they had better material to work with. And mind you, I'm not saying that he's a good actor. I just want to see him in something else before I conclude that he's a bad actor.
 
2012-05-31 05:26:48 PM  
It was Marcia's brilliant editing that made Graffiti and Star Wars. After she left him, it was all downhill.

//he changes the films so she won't get any more money - it's not her edit any more
///I assume you've all seen the end of 'The Dam Busters' (1950) - it's on youtube.
 
2012-05-31 05:32:00 PM  

Cythraul: TeddyRooseveltsMustache: Cythraul: TeddyRooseveltsMustache: Jar Jar Binx.

Never forget.

/Hayden Christensen's acting was actually worse than Jar Jar. Sad, but true.

Your post is irritating, and gets into everything...

..like sand.

Well you're either a Jar Jar apologist or a Hayden Christensen fan, so I have no desire to engage in conversation with you.

My post was mocking Lucas' horrible writing.

You missed my joke. You missed it.. and now it's gone. Forever. Never to be laughed at.

I has a sad.


Meh, I chucked internally but it wasn't all that funny. Like the lake on Naboo, it's forgettable.
 
2012-05-31 05:40:13 PM  
Whatever happened to him doing "small, experimental films"?
 
2012-05-31 05:45:18 PM  

Some 'Splainin' To Do: bhcompy: Some 'Splainin' To Do: TeddyRooseveltsMustache: Jar Jar Binx.

Never forget.

/Hayden Christensen's acting was actually worse than Jar Jar. Sad, but true.

I'm reluctant to judge Christensen's acting without seeing him in something else. After all, Natalie Portman's character was just as wooden, and we know that she can act.

Bad directing prevents good acting.

Well, so does a green screen, imho. Still, didn't stop Neeson and McGregor from acting, though.

I'd argue that they had better material to work with. And mind you, I'm not saying that he's a good actor. I just want to see him in something else before I conclude that he's a bad actor.


I don't know. Both characters do a bit of foreshadowing, which can be completely cheesy and breaks the 4th wall/immersion, yet McGregor dishes his out with dignity and poise(you're going to be the death of me) where Hayden comes off as a petulant child or just forcing it(I should be.. someday I will be [an all powerful jedi]!, I am more powerful than the Chancellor, I can overthrow him!) which breaks the immersion.
 
2012-05-31 06:20:07 PM  
There are only two things I want from Lucas before he retires

1) Greenlight a new X-Wing/Tie Fighter game. Include some prequel ships and missions if you must, I just want a space combat game!

2) A CGI film of Shadows of the Empire with as many of the original cast voicing their characters as possible
 
2012-05-31 07:17:28 PM  

peterthx: bifford: Pray for his imminent death, because then we can hand control of the Star Wars property to somebody competent and we can have another trilogy made by a GOOD director.

I pray for the imminent death of all the Lucas-hating fanboys. It will make the internet, and therefore the WORLD, a better place.

Imagine a world with nobody biatching endlessly about the prequels, saying the same things over and over and over again. All those people gone, no longer watching or linking others to the RLM reviews again and again. The bandwidth saved alone would allow internet providers with 100Mbps unlimited broadband for everyone!


You are so blind! You so do *not* understand. You weren't there at the beginning. You don't know how good it was ... how important. This is it for you. This ... jumped up firework display of a toy advert! People like you make me sick. What's wrong with you? Now, I don't care if you've saved up all your 50ps - take your pocket money and get out!
 
2012-05-31 09:25:15 PM  
What the hell are you guys on about! Lucas died in a car crash in 1989!!
 
2012-05-31 10:12:23 PM  

LegacyDL: So who are we going to rely on now to make movies where characters spend 10 minutes walking in front of a green screen?


Peter Jackson.
 
2012-05-31 10:15:13 PM  

mjbok: LegacyDL: So who are we going to rely on now to make movies where characters spend 10 minutes walking in front of a green screen?

Peter Jackson.


Michael Bay
Zack Snyder
JJ Abrams
 
2012-05-31 10:30:35 PM  

Nana's Vibrator: So I was watching Indiana Jones and The Last Crusade last week, and I'm wondering how in the world co-writer George Lucas had a hand in it. Some of the dialogue, particularly between Ford and Connery, is brilliant.
What exactly did Lucas do for this movie and why couldn't he do the same in Star Wars?
Is it 100% the absence of Spielberg?


Lucas has always been a template-provider. The templates are other-wordly imaginative and detailed, but lack key human elements because Lucas is a nerd. Actual humans are needed to improvise and expand on the templates. It's a symbiotic relationship.

Ford, Connery and Spielberg were all supposedly ill at ease with the character of Henry Jones as originally written. The character was basically a human version of Yoda in early drafts, all sage-like solemnity and proverb-drops without much actual personality. So the three of them entreated Lucas for revisions as filming progressed, and gradually wore him down.

It was Connery's suggestion to have the character bang the same woman his son eventually ends up with, and that's the change that supposedly took Lucas the longest to wrap his head around. In George's mind, Yoda probably never got down with any swamp hoes at home to the theme music from Shaft, and a wise father figure who also likes to fark was probably an equally daunting concept. But with three patriarchs like Connery, Spielberg, and Ford all ribbing him over the script's lameness (replacing matriarch Marcia from years past), concessions were eventually granted, resulting in a solid film.

It's all been said before: no rebukes from any big guns during the prequels, just an army of yes-men. Ben Burtt's about the only guy I remember from the DVD docs to express any kind of criticism to the boss, and even when he did he was being cautious as hell. It's kind of like that segment in the Twilight Zone movie with the family all falling over themselves to be nice to the crazy kid with the super powers, but being scared sh*tless inside.

Anyway, it's all been discussed to death. I guess I keep clicking on these threads out of habit.
 
2012-05-31 10:56:28 PM  

frestcrallen: Nana's Vibrator: So I was watching Indiana Jones and The Last Crusade last week, and I'm wondering how in the world co-writer George Lucas had a hand in it. Some of the dialogue, particularly between Ford and Connery, is brilliant.
What exactly did Lucas do for this movie and why couldn't he do the same in Star Wars?
Is it 100% the absence of Spielberg?

Lucas has always been a template-provider. The templates are other-wordly imaginative and detailed, but lack key human elements because Lucas is a nerd. Actual humans are needed to improvise and expand on the templates. It's a symbiotic relationship.

Ford, Connery and Spielberg were all supposedly ill at ease with the character of Henry Jones as originally written. The character was basically a human version of Yoda in early drafts, all sage-like solemnity and proverb-drops without much actual personality. So the three of them entreated Lucas for revisions as filming progressed, and gradually wore him down.

It was Connery's suggestion to have the character bang the same woman his son eventually ends up with, and that's the change that supposedly took Lucas the longest to wrap his head around. In George's mind, Yoda probably never got down with any swamp hoes at home to the theme music from Shaft, and a wise father figure who also likes to fark was probably an equally daunting concept. But with three patriarchs like Connery, Spielberg, and Ford all ribbing him over the script's lameness (replacing matriarch Marcia from years past), concessions were eventually granted, resulting in a solid film.

It's all been said before: no rebukes from any big guns during the prequels, just an army of yes-men. Ben Burtt's about the only guy I remember from the DVD docs to express any kind of criticism to the boss, and even when he did he was being cautious as hell. It's kind of like that segment in the Twilight Zone movie with the family all falling over themselves to be nice to the crazy kid with the super powers, but ...


It would seem that, basically, a strong willed actor could create the character out of this template you speak of. If you notice, the vast majority of characters that appear in the first set of movies(both main and random characters) are mostly veteran British stage and character actors. These guys know how to make something memorable out of whatever they get, and they're the people that flesh out the films and add life to it on top of the quality few kids the films are based around.

It's mostly the same in the new movies(Lee, Neeson, McDiarmid), but the rest of the cast has been replaced by CGI characters, rookies(Ahmed Best was both of those), Jimmy Smits, and Samuel L Jackson(who is great at scene stealing, but not great at making a serious film more legit). Basically, without the quality people fleshing out the background and filling out these templates you speak of, the films are mostly lifeless and emotionless. And I thought it was sad that the one really likeable and real background character from the first movie, Captain Panaka, never appeared again.
 
2012-06-01 08:03:02 AM  

OrbitalFerret: It was Marcia's brilliant editing that made Graffiti and Star Wars. After she left him, it was all downhill.

//he changes the films so she won't get any more money - it's not her edit any more
///I assume you've all seen the end of 'The Dam Busters' (1950) - it's on youtube.


Out of all of the reasons that have ever been given, this is the one that makes the most sense.

If you are accurate, it would explain why the original edits are not available in modern formats, as the residuals would presumably still be diverted to her.
 
2012-06-01 08:46:56 AM  
He's the only one of those directors from that era that is still pulling that "I WANT TO MAKE MY SMALL EXPERIMENTAL MOVIES" line. Say hi to William Friedkin for us.
 
2012-06-01 10:31:35 AM  

born_yesterday: Out of all of the reasons that have ever been given, this is the one that makes the most sense is the stupidest and far reaching.


Fark fanboys are getting so retarded they'll retcon anything to keep Lucas from getting any credit. The story was always there. There were problems with the FX, but all the on set stuff was shot as scripted. Lucas is a kick-ass editor in his own right, and Coppola has called upon him to help with his films like The Godfather and Apocalypse Now.
 
2012-06-01 11:43:55 AM  
href="http://www.fark.com/comments/7136223/77210161#c77210161" target="_blank">frestcrallen:
It was Connery's suggestion to have the character bang the same woman his son eventually ends up with, and that's the change that supposedly took Lucas the longest to wrap his head around. In George's mind, Yoda probably never got down with any swamp hoes at home to the theme music from Shaft, and a wise father figure who also likes to fark was probably an equally daunting concept. But with three patriarchs like Connery, Spielberg, and Ford all ribbing him over the script's lameness (replacing matriarch Marcia from years past), concessions were eventually granted, resulting in a solid film..

Funny you mention that: "She talks in her sleep" is an absolutely amazing exchange... as was the entire scene from when Ford breaks in, gets hit with the vase, Henry starts the fire, the revolving fireplace, and the escape.

It's all been said before: no rebukes from any big guns during the prequels, just an army of yes-men. Ben Burtt's about the only guy I remember from the DVD docs to express any kind of criticism to the boss, and even when he did he was being cautious as hell. It's kind of like that segment in the Twilight Zone movie with the family all falling over themselves to be nice to the crazy kid with the super powers, but being scared sh*tless inside.

Anyway, it's all been discussed to death. I guess I keep clicking on these threads out of habit. ..

I thank you for that response. I learned something. I'm sure I could have learned by searching directly to a source, but discussion is better. And easier for me :p.
 
2012-06-01 05:02:56 PM  

born_yesterday: OrbitalFerret: It was Marcia's brilliant editing that made Graffiti and Star Wars. After she left him, it was all downhill.

//he changes the films so she won't get any more money - it's not her edit any more
///I assume you've all seen the end of 'The Dam Busters' (1950) - it's on youtube.

Out of all of the reasons that have ever been given, this is the one that makes the most sense.

If you are accurate, it would explain why the original edits are not available in modern formats, as the residuals would presumably still be diverted to her.



Well if you knew anything about copyright law, it wouldn't make as much sense.
 
2012-06-01 07:31:40 PM  

Mugato: born_yesterday: OrbitalFerret: It was Marcia's brilliant editing that made Graffiti and Star Wars. After she left him, it was all downhill.

//he changes the films so she won't get any more money - it's not her edit any more
///I assume you've all seen the end of 'The Dam Busters' (1950) - it's on youtube.

Out of all of the reasons that have ever been given, this is the one that makes the most sense.

If you are accurate, it would explain why the original edits are not available in modern formats, as the residuals would presumably still be diverted to her.


Well if you knew anything about copyright law, it wouldn't make as much sense.


Thank you for your concise response. As I am not familiar with copyright law, I prefaced my response with "If you are accurate". You responded without vitriol or ass-hattedness, a clear indication of this. I was clearly misinformed, so Lucas must have clearly motivated by poor taste.

/Thanks again!
//Have a great weekend!
 
2012-06-03 11:47:37 AM  

Nana's Vibrator: So I was watching Indiana Jones and The Last Crusade last week, and I'm wondering how in the world co-writer George Lucas had a hand in it. Some of the dialogue, particularly between Ford and Connery, is brilliant.
What exactly did Lucas do for this movie and why couldn't he do the same in Star Wars?
Is it 100% the absence of Spielberg?


I've been pondering the same thing and have looked into and studied George Lucas somewhat from his beginnings as a filmmaker till present.

My theory for Lucas' downfall are based on the following events in his life:
1. His divorce from Marcia Lucas after she cheated on him.
2. His long absence from filmmaking after Last Crusade
3. The success of Star Wars and Indy.

His divorce and break up with his wife seems to have affected Lucas far more than is generally known among us. Want proof? Just compare how romance is portrayed in the originals and the prequels. In the originals, romance is viewed quite positively. In the Prequels, romance is portrayed as one of, if not THE deciding factor leading to Anakin's downfall.

After Last Crusade, George did practically nothing film wise until Phantom Menace. Going that long without exercising your filmmaking muscles surely led to more than just a little atrophy.

The success of Star Wars and Indy I theorize led to two results with George.
One, I think the success may have gotten to his head. The studios hated Star Wars at first, and with it's success and the success of Indy, George may have started to believe all the hype about himself. Thus shutting out any and all voices that tried to correct him (and it doesn't help that his closest friend Spielberg doesn't even bother to tell him no). Ironic since he voluntarily consulted often with Philosopher Joe Campbell as he wrote the original Star Wars.

Also, the success of Star Wars led to another problem. Anyone who has studied the arduous process Lucas went through to make the first Star Wars film in the 70's can appreciate the hell he went through. I mean, the man had a nervous breakdown and went to the hospital where they told him to get some rest, and he said he couldn't and went straight back to the set to continue shooting. We enjoy the benefits of the hard work and hell he went through, but notice how it also changed Lucas' perspective of how to make films. Since that time period, he has invested heavily in new technology that makes the process much easier. No one is against new technology, otherwise we'd still be using stone tablets as opposed to Tablet PC's. But, Lucas may have made it a little too easy. When he made the prequels, it seems like he went well out of his way to avoid the hell he previously went through. Compare the BTS of the two trilogies. With the prequels, Lucas is often seen just CGI-ing everything using blue screen, never having to leave his home, instead of shooting on actual locations.

Lucas had some bad and good experiences in his life. His responses to them are, I think, an important part of why his latest films are so horrible.
 
2012-06-03 09:58:29 PM  

Faith Logic Passion: Lucas is often seen just CGI-ing everything using blue screen, never having to leave his home, instead of shooting on actual locations.


While I agree with most of your post, this stood out. At least for TPM, Lucas filmed a lot of stuff on location. Much less for the next two films.
 
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