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(Boston.com)   Curt Schilling launches new endeavor called "keep my ass out of jail" while Rhode Island suddenly owns a lot of video game IP   (boston.com) divider line 73
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2012-05-31 09:08:53 AM
It's a job creator's right not to pay his employees. If they don't like it, they can go somewhere else. I'm sure there are plenty of people who would kill to work for free in this economy.
 
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2012-05-31 09:11:32 AM
sigdiamond2000

The Globe had a story a day or two ago about the job prospects of the ex-employees. Recruiters set up shop next door to 38 Studios. They won't have trouble finding work.
 
2012-05-31 09:14:49 AM
I keep waiting for Kingdoms of Amalur to go on sale on Steam for $20.00. I was going to buy that game, but I wasn't going to pay $60 for it, and so I waited for a good Steam weekend sale price. I'm really surprised they didn't do that. I guess they probably couldn't have made enough profit to pay the bills if they had, though.
 
2012-05-31 09:17:43 AM
More evidence that Schilling is a self-serving asshole? SHOCKING

Maybe he should sign some socks with red paint on it and give them to his ex-employees.
Can ESPN fire him already?
 
2012-05-31 09:43:07 AM

Cythraul: I keep waiting for Kingdoms of Amalur to go on sale on Steam for $20.00. I was going to buy that game, but I wasn't going to pay $60 for it, and so I waited for a good Steam weekend sale price. I'm really surprised they didn't do that. I guess they probably couldn't have made enough profit to pay the bills if they had, though.


It's not ground-breaking, but it's a solid single-player RPG. Enormous scope. The action-oriented combat is well-done, and there are a lot of viable combat styles that "feel" different. However, the difficulty is screwy, even on the highest level-- it's a little hard at first, feels right for a while, but the second half of the game you can steamroll everything, including 'boss' fights.

The crafting system is also interesting, but you soon reach a point where you can make anything better than the best loot. You routinely finish some quest or take down some ultra-bad guy, and your reward is armor that you would have thrown on the scrap heap 5 levels ago.

The 'fateshift' mechanic, one of the intended selling points, is ridiculous. (Essentially, time slows down for everyone but you, and you start dealing crazy damage.) I stopped using it, because it felt like I was pushing a button to skip the current battle.

The sad thing is that it felt like the kind of game that could produce a good sequel-- the basic engine is fun, but the game balance was pretty bad. A more quantitative team could fix that quickly enough.
 
2012-05-31 09:51:14 AM
looks like Todd McFarelane is going to have to start asking people to touch his balls again.
 
2012-05-31 10:40:54 AM

generalDisdain: More evidence that Schilling is a self-serving asshole? SHOCKING

Maybe he should sign some socks with red paint on it and give them to his ex-employees.
Can ESPN fire him already?


I think that Curt's heart is in the right place, but he's just not very bright. The man knows how to throw a baseball, and that's about it. And he just flushed $50 million of his own money down the drain. That's got to sting.
 
2012-05-31 10:45:13 AM

Marcus Aurelius: I think that Curt's heart is in the right place, but he's just not very bright. The man knows how to throw a baseball, and that's about it. And he just flushed $50 million of his own money down the drain. That's got to sting.


While I agree the man is about as bright as a box of rocks, he's a self-important, front-running asshat.
The nickname he was given by his fellow DBacks teammates was "Red light, top step" based on Schilling's habit of only cheering his teammates when the cameras were on in the dugout.
 
2012-05-31 10:49:11 AM

generalDisdain: Marcus Aurelius: I think that Curt's heart is in the right place, but he's just not very bright. The man knows how to throw a baseball, and that's about it. And he just flushed $50 million of his own money down the drain. That's got to sting.

While I agree the man is about as bright as a box of rocks, he's a self-important, front-running asshat.
The nickname he was given by his fellow DBacks teammates was "Red light, top step" based on Schilling's habit of only cheering his teammates when the cameras were on in the dugout.


He was pretty well behaved when he was in Philly, but you're right, the man LOVES TV cameras and lots of attention.
 
2012-05-31 10:55:29 AM
Good, you pompous douchebag. Perhaps all your teabagging political friends can bail you out?
 
2012-05-31 10:59:49 AM

Cythraul: I keep waiting for Kingdoms of Amalur to go on sale on Steam for $20.00. I was going to buy that game, but I wasn't going to pay $60 for it, and so I waited for a good Steam weekend sale price. I'm really surprised they didn't do that. I guess they probably couldn't have made enough profit to pay the bills if they had, though.


I was going to buy it as well and I was waiting for an amazon sale.

It really sucks to see this studio go out of business. The problem being you don't build a multi million dollar rpg when you don't have a prayer of recouping the costs. They should have started with a smaller, niche game that didn't have ridiculous costs associated with it. It could have been a big win but they went too big, too fast.
 
2012-05-31 11:01:18 AM
I went through this at an old job, I had to file suit to get the money I was owed, when you can't pay your people lay the off and shut down don't string them along for 3 weeks then lay them off and then keep operating. They stayed in business for over a year after the downsizing and couldn't understand why they kept getting sued and why the IRS, BSA, Department of Labor etc kept showing up.
 
2012-05-31 11:04:10 AM

Marcus Aurelius: generalDisdain: Marcus Aurelius: I think that Curt's heart is in the right place, but he's just not very bright. The man knows how to throw a baseball, and that's about it. And he just flushed $50 million of his own money down the drain. That's got to sting.

While I agree the man is about as bright as a box of rocks, he's a self-important, front-running asshat.
The nickname he was given by his fellow DBacks teammates was "Red light, top step" based on Schilling's habit of only cheering his teammates when the cameras were on in the dugout.

He was pretty well behaved when he was in Philly, but you're right, the man LOVES TV cameras and lots of attention.


I always got the feeling was a dick, but he was just on losing teams. A dick on a losing team is a dick. A dick on a winning team is "confident". He reminds me a lot of Roger Clemens, and I wouldn't be surprised if he juiced the way his numbers are.
 
2012-05-31 11:05:41 AM
FTA:

Schilling has spoken often of his political views and has campaigned for Republican candidates, though he's registered as an independent. In a March interview on Fox News, he criticized big government and said he's never sought a handout but praised the loan guarantee his company got in Rhode Island.

I love this paragraph so much. Remember kids, it's only a handout if it goes to something YOU don't like.

You could argue that he didn't consider it a handout because he would pay it back, but when the company was nearing bankruptcy, he had the balls to ask for MORE money to cover payroll.
 
2012-05-31 11:06:39 AM
Wasn't there a greenlight about this a couple weeks ago but the theme was about the prosperity and jobs 38studios was adding to the Providence neighborhood?
 
2012-05-31 11:09:15 AM
does this mean Schilling is now KOS?
 
2012-05-31 11:10:26 AM
Yet another example of why corporate welfare is a terrible idea, regardless of the political party pushing it.
 
2012-05-31 11:15:58 AM

Marcus Aurelius: generalDisdain: More evidence that Schilling is a self-serving asshole? SHOCKING

Maybe he should sign some socks with red paint on it and give them to his ex-employees.
Can ESPN fire him already?

I think that Curt's heart is in the right place, but he's just not very bright. The man knows how to throw a baseball, and that's about it. And he just flushed $50 million of his own money down the drain. That's got to sting.


From the articles I have read so far, Curt only put in 4 million of his own cash and that was returned to him after the loan came in. Was there some new info about him putting in 50 million?
 
2012-05-31 11:18:46 AM
Some game companies are already taking advantage of the situation:

i670.photobucket.com
 
2012-05-31 11:19:03 AM

PowerSlacker: Yet another example of why corporate welfare is a terrible idea, regardless of the political party pushing it.


cdn.shopify.com
 
2012-05-31 11:20:36 AM
From a Deadspin article a few weeks ago:

"Last year Schilling told Reuters that he had invested "$30 million to $35 million" in 38 Studios. A disclosure filing obtained by WPRI shows that Schilling also recently advanced the company $4 million of his own money, and has already been paid back-with funds from the Rhode Island loan."

I'm willing to bet if he was repaid $4 million, he was repaid the $30 - $35 million he put up initially as well.
 
2012-05-31 11:23:37 AM

Marcus Aurelius: I think that Curt's heart is in the right place, but he's just not very bright. The man knows how to throw a baseball, and that's about it. And he just flushed $50 million of his own money down the drain. That's got to sting.


If you're not paying your employees and you know about it, YOUR HEART CAN ONLY BE IN THE WRONG PLACE!

/But if you're cool with not being paid, can you do my job for me for a year?
 
2012-05-31 11:26:08 AM

Marcus Aurelius: I think that Curt's heart is in the right place, but he's just not very bright. The man knows how to throw a baseball, and that's about it. And he just flushed $50 million of his own money down the drain. That's got to sting.


I think he's actually quite intelligent. He's just not very self aware.
The expression that comes to mind is "book smart, street stupid."
 
2012-05-31 11:29:02 AM

stonelotus: does this mean Schilling is now KOS?


KOS+L
 
2012-05-31 11:36:02 AM

Bashatizin' Smashmaster: From a Deadspin article a few weeks ago:

"Last year Schilling told Reuters that he had invested "$30 million to $35 million" in 38 Studios. A disclosure filing obtained by WPRI shows that Schilling also recently advanced the company $4 million of his own money, and has already been paid back-with funds from the Rhode Island loan."

I'm willing to bet if he was repaid $4 million, he was repaid the $30 - $35 million he put up initially as well.


From what I have read so far (sorry, on phone so no links), the "30 to 35 million" was an exaggeration Curt told the press. It seems that he had very little personally at stake. That's why I was curious about the 50 million figure mentioned above. It would at least take a little of the sting away if he had in fact invested a sizable chunk of his own money in this venture.
 
2012-05-31 11:40:57 AM
This whole scenario is just a clusterfark of Fark topics. Politics, labor rights, sports, video games. It's every flashpoint thrown into one.
 
2012-05-31 11:40:58 AM

JustMatt: It seems that he had very little personally at stake.


After the audit results are in I will eat my hat if it doesn't turn out that he was paid far more by this company than he actually invested. The end result will be that he was highly paid by state dollars to waste tens of millions of taxpayer dollars.

Hey kurt - that sound you hear is your future political career driving away in a well-appointed limousine.
 
2012-05-31 11:43:47 AM
Has he tried running the team after putting some blood on his socks to make it appear he is tougher than he actually is?
 
2012-05-31 11:44:11 AM

Marcus Aurelius: And he just flushed $50 million of his own money down the drain


He is a notorious liar about how much money he has spent on this project. His initial claim of contribution was in the high 20 millions. Then we learned it was actually $4 million, of which he paid himself back FIRST after receiving the government check.

So when he says he could lose $50 million of his own money, take that with a dead-sea's worth of salt.
 
2012-05-31 11:45:05 AM

ZAZ: sigdiamond2000

The Globe had a story a day or two ago about the job prospects of the ex-employees. Recruiters set up shop next door to 38 Studios. They won't have trouble finding work.


I know that Turbine and several other MMO companies are pushing hard to hires the talent from 38 Studios. I expect Turbine will have an inside track for many of them, as they are based outside of Boston, but yes, I agree most of the talent will be able to find work in the industry quickly.
 
2012-05-31 11:46:05 AM

JustMatt: From what I have read so far (sorry, on phone so no links), the "30 to 35 million" was an exaggeration Curt told the press. It seems that he had very little personally at stake. That's why I was curious about the 50 million figure mentioned above. It would at least take a little of the sting away if he had in fact invested a sizable chunk of his own money in this venture.


the only person or entity that has made that claim is Curt himself. First he said he had 35 million in it. Then PWC did an audit of the company and discovered he'd put 4 in and taken it back out. Now, about a year later he claims he's put 50 million in it. There is no evidence he actually has. Some speculation i've seen is that he seems to be going off to the idea that if he had gone around being a full time baseball pundit/speaker/merchandiser he would have made that much money, but because he decided to foregoe that and make a video game company, he lost all that opportunity, Seems like a stretch to me.
 
2012-05-31 11:47:49 AM
It just goes to show, just because you enjoy playing a game, doesn't mean you can make one.
 
2012-05-31 11:56:34 AM

Tyrone Slothrop: It just goes to show, just because you enjoy playing a game, doesn't mean you can make one.


Try telling that to the WoW forums.
 
2012-05-31 12:11:30 PM

JustMatt: Marcus Aurelius: generalDisdain: More evidence that Schilling is a self-serving asshole? SHOCKING

Maybe he should sign some socks with red paint on it and give them to his ex-employees.
Can ESPN fire him already?

I think that Curt's heart is in the right place, but he's just not very bright. The man knows how to throw a baseball, and that's about it. And he just flushed $50 million of his own money down the drain. That's got to sting.

From the articles I have read so far, Curt only put in 4 million of his own cash and that was returned to him after the loan came in. Was there some new info about him putting in 50 million?


I had not heard that. In that case he's getting his ass sued off next.
 
2012-05-31 12:12:03 PM
Shilling has proved himself to be a horrible businessman, a liar, self centered and about as slimy as a human can be. He reminds me of the Dorn character in the Major League movies franchise. He screwed the state, his employees and his reputation.

Granted, the state made very bad choices in giving the loan to a business that didn't even have a product. 60-75% of the state econ. development funds went to Shilling.

But Hey! I bet everyone on the EDC board got a signed baseball.
 
2012-05-31 12:13:23 PM

Marcus Aurelius: JustMatt: Marcus Aurelius: generalDisdain: More evidence that Schilling is a self-serving asshole? SHOCKING

Maybe he should sign some socks with red paint on it and give them to his ex-employees.
Can ESPN fire him already?

I think that Curt's heart is in the right place, but he's just not very bright. The man knows how to throw a baseball, and that's about it. And he just flushed $50 million of his own money down the drain. That's got to sting.

From the articles I have read so far, Curt only put in 4 million of his own cash and that was returned to him after the loan came in. Was there some new info about him putting in 50 million?

I had not heard that. In that case he's getting his ass sued off next.


JustMatt is correct in his info.
 
2012-05-31 12:20:49 PM
Stupid farking idea to begin with. Let us release generic fantasy mmorpg #245. Maybe this one will dethrone WoW!
 
2012-05-31 12:24:10 PM

man metaphysical: Stupid farking idea to begin with. Let us release generic fantasy mmorpg #245. Maybe this one will dethrone WoW!


As if WoW wasn't generic fantasy mmorpg #67
 
2012-05-31 12:27:31 PM

man metaphysical: Stupid farking idea to begin with. Let us release generic fantasy mmorpg #245. Maybe this one will dethrone WoW!


I thought Copernicus was going to be more brass-clockwork, steam-punky kind of fantasy. That sounds a bit different than your typical fantasy MMO.
 
2012-05-31 12:56:31 PM

bhcompy: man metaphysical: Stupid farking idea to begin with. Let us release generic fantasy mmorpg #245. Maybe this one will dethrone WoW!

As if WoW wasn't generic fantasy mmorpg #67


Perhaps, but is still the most successful. And not even a established IP, like Star Wars, guarantees success enough to dethrone WoW.

Also, WoW has pretty much all I need from a MMO, so why would I want to play a different one.
 
2012-05-31 01:08:09 PM

man metaphysical: Stupid farking idea to begin with. Let us release generic fantasy mmorpg #245. Maybe this one will dethrone WoW!


I really wish somebody would come up with something along the lines of a Borderlands or Fallout MMORPG. I hate third person, and I hate fantasy settings. But I'd pay $20 a month for a Borderlands or Fallout MMORPG FPS. There was a Fallout MMORPG in the works that collapsed in a sea of lawsuits before it launched.
 
2012-05-31 01:11:17 PM

Geotpf: man metaphysical: Stupid farking idea to begin with. Let us release generic fantasy mmorpg #245. Maybe this one will dethrone WoW!

I really wish somebody would come up with something along the lines of a Borderlands or Fallout MMORPG. I hate third person, and I hate fantasy settings. But I'd pay $20 a month for a Borderlands or Fallout MMORPG FPS. There was a Fallout MMORPG in the works that collapsed in a sea of lawsuits before it launched.


A court decision has finally landed the rights to the possible development of a Fallout MMO in Bethesda's lap. Although their online division is currently working on an Elder Scrolls MMO (and god knows why), I think it's only a matter of time before they start development on a Fallout MMO. Because, you certainly are not alone in the desire for such a game.
 
2012-05-31 01:51:58 PM
Curt is a republican. He should just blame Obama...
 
2012-05-31 01:53:54 PM
I like the film tax credits that he got and then allegedly re-sold at a proft. Film credits? For serious?

Maybe if he's lucky he can be the pitcher in prison.
 
2012-05-31 01:56:29 PM
Argh, it drives me crazy when people get the $4 million loan Curt made to the company confused with the (significantly greater amount) that he invested in it. Debt is not the same as equity!

In 2010 Harvard Business School published a case study on 38. At that time Schilling was quoted as having put over $20 million of his own money into the company as equity. There's a 2009 capitalization table that shows him owning 41,250,000 class A units, 82.5% of the fully diluted pro rata ownership.

And this was in 2009. The company continued for another two+ years with zero income prior to KoA:R's release. It's reasonable to assume that he invested more of his personal fortune, in addition to the $4m loan. That equity is gone, kaput, as all remaining assets are going to creditors first.
 
2012-05-31 01:59:06 PM
Now that Curt is a Welfare Queen, he can complete the transformation by moving to Central Falls, R.I.
 
2012-05-31 02:08:36 PM
Curt Schilling says 38 Studios failure will cost him $50 million

yeah, what a self-serving douche...

/sarcasm
 
2012-05-31 02:14:01 PM

Dumb-Ass-Monkey: Curt Schilling says 38 Studios failure will cost him $50 million

yeah, what a self-serving douche...

/sarcasm


key word there is "says"
 
2012-05-31 02:19:00 PM

cspariah: At that time Schilling was quoted as


I agree with your sentiment and search for truth here. But right now it remains to be seen whether or not Schilling's quotes have been truthful. I for one, will not be surprised if his 'losses' he's crying about are actually the future gains he was counting on but will no longer get. I'll be happy to believe he spent his own millions but I've seen no proof of that at this point. The only source thus far who has claimed his own money was on the table has been him. And it might be true.
 
2012-05-31 02:43:07 PM

ZAZ:
The Globe had a story a day or two ago about the job prospects of the ex-employees. Recruiters set up shop next door to 38 Studios. They won't have trouble finding work.


3.bp.blogspot.com

Not all employees of the company are high-end programmers
 
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