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2012-05-31 11:32:57 AM  
So Moyer's out of the majors and the Orioles appear to have begun their annual collapse. And so go my reasons for caring about baseball.
 
2012-05-31 11:56:20 AM  
They dont have those anymore. They moved all of them to the express lane check out positions.

Me thinks Wal-mart doesnt know what express means.

or they are trying to sweat them out.
 
2012-05-31 01:40:37 PM  

Harv72b: So Moyer's out of the majors


No he's not. I wouldn't be surprised if someone claimed him. I'd keep an eye on Minnesota.
 
2012-05-31 01:42:14 PM  
Weird: both league's East divisions have 100% above. 500 teams.
 
2012-05-31 01:44:39 PM  

DeWayne Mann: No he's not. I wouldn't be surprised if someone claimed him. I'd keep an eye on Minnesota.


Maybe. But if anyone claimed him I would expect it to be a team with a good shot at the postseason and an otherwise young staff, who could afford to hide him as a spot starter/long relief kind of guy. Maybe a Tampa Bay or someone. But honestly, I expect that this will be it for his playing days.
 
2012-05-31 01:47:14 PM  

inclemency: Weird: both league's East divisions have 100% above. 500 teams.



The Rangers & Dodgers both lead their divisions by 5.5 games. The 1st place Orioles are 2.5 games ahead of the last place Red Sox; the 1st place Nats are 3 games ahead of the last place Phillies.
 
2012-05-31 01:49:32 PM  

DeWayne Mann: Harv72b: So Moyer's out of the majors

No he's not. I wouldn't be surprised if someone claimed him. I'd keep an eye on Minnesota.


the only reason we'd grab him is for an attraction. We have enough underperforming starters in the rotation without paying him
 
2012-05-31 01:50:15 PM  

Harv72b: But if anyone claimed him I would expect it to be a team with a good shot at the postseason


Why? He's not going to help a team make the postseason. At best, he'd be a decent LOOGY for such a team, but that seems a little odd.

What he does provide is an above replacement level starter at a very low cost. That's something that teams like the Twins, the A's, maybe the Cubs could all use.
 
2012-05-31 01:56:10 PM  

VvonderJesus: DeWayne Mann: Harv72b: So Moyer's out of the majors

No he's not. I wouldn't be surprised if someone claimed him. I'd keep an eye on Minnesota.

the only reason we'd grab him is for an attraction. We have enough underperforming starters in the rotation without paying him


It's hard to say he's any worse than anyone else the Twins are trotting out there, and it might let them send a younger guy to AAA to get more work without getting lit up in the majors.

Again, at this point, if a team were to claim him, they'd pay him something on the order of twice the league minimum, maybe a little less. If a team waits to see if he'll clear waivers, then signs him once he's a FA, then he only costs the minimum. He's not expensive in the slightest.
 
2012-05-31 01:57:42 PM  

DeWayne Mann: He's not expensive in the slightest.


No, he's not. But the man is gonna have a hell of a monthly pension check when he finally cashes in his chips.
 
2012-05-31 02:06:19 PM  

JohnBigBootay: DeWayne Mann: He's not expensive in the slightest.

No, he's not. But the man is gonna have a hell of a monthly pension check when he finally cashes in his chips.


Actually, the pension is capped at 10 years of service time.
 
2012-05-31 02:28:42 PM  
Here's hoping Jamie manages to catch on with a team so he can pitch at age 50. The guy has been a class act wherever he played.
 
2012-05-31 02:32:28 PM  

DeWayne Mann: Actually, the pension is capped at 10 years of service time.


Really? That's sort of lame. And very odd given the extremely small numbers who actually reach10 years service time.
 
2012-05-31 02:35:19 PM  

DeWayne Mann: Actually, the pension is capped at 10 years of service time.


On the other hand, the minimum is $1000 and you get that for 43 days of service time, whether or not you actually appeared in a game. Sweet deal that is.
 
2012-05-31 02:41:46 PM  

JohnBigBootay: DeWayne Mann: Actually, the pension is capped at 10 years of service time.

On the other hand, the minimum is $1000 and you get that for 43 days of service time, whether or not you actually appeared in a game. Sweet deal that is.


And a "season" is defined as 4 games in one team season.

You could arguably play 4 games a year (and be on the roster for an extra one) for 10 years...and you just qualified for max pension.
 
2012-05-31 02:45:23 PM  
He was pretty good in April. He'll be back in the majors next year at age 50. Some team will do it even if it's just for the publicity part of it.
 
2012-05-31 02:45:44 PM  

DeWayne Mann: You could arguably play 4 games a year (and be on the roster for an extra one) for 10 years...and you just qualified for max pension.


Man, Mark Sweeney is set!
 
2012-05-31 02:49:52 PM  

JohnBigBootay: DeWayne Mann: Actually, the pension is capped at 10 years of service time.

On the other hand, the minimum is $1000 and you get that for 43 days of service time, whether or not you actually appeared in a game. Sweet deal that is.


$1000 a week, a month, a year?
 
2012-05-31 02:50:31 PM  
Until the Monforts DIAF the Rocks are farked. Greedy, clueless douchebags and possibly/prolly the worst owners in pro sports.
 
2012-05-31 02:54:36 PM  

BKITU: DeWayne Mann: You could arguably play 4 games a year (and be on the roster for an extra one) for 10 years...and you just qualified for max pension.

Man, Mark Sweeney is set!


I love his baseball reference page. His primary position is Pinch Hitter, and if you don't know who he is, you go "that's weird, he played in over 1200 games."

And then you look at the fielding stats and realize only 461 of those were in the field.
 
2012-05-31 03:07:27 PM  
The Mariners will scoop him up
 
2012-05-31 03:35:38 PM  

buckeyebrain: $1000 a week, a month, a year?


A month.
 
2012-05-31 03:36:58 PM  

DeWayne Mann: BKITU: DeWayne Mann: You could arguably play 4 games a year (and be on the roster for an extra one) for 10 years...and you just qualified for max pension.

Man, Mark Sweeney is set!

I love his baseball reference page. His primary position is Pinch Hitter, and if you don't know who he is, you go "that's weird, he played in over 1200 games."

And then you look at the fielding stats and realize only 461 of those were in the field.


The 10-year pension is something like $180k per year for life. What a sweet, sweet deal he has.
 
2012-05-31 03:37:50 PM  

PowerSlacker: The Mariners will scoop him up


Would not surprise me at all after Griffey's second year. That whole saga still amazes me. I mean that Seattleites still can't accept that he absolutely loathes this place.
 
2012-05-31 03:40:49 PM  

BKITU: DeWayne Mann: BKITU: DeWayne Mann: You could arguably play 4 games a year (and be on the roster for an extra one) for 10 years...and you just qualified for max pension.

Man, Mark Sweeney is set!

I love his baseball reference page. His primary position is Pinch Hitter, and if you don't know who he is, you go "that's weird, he played in over 1200 games."

And then you look at the fielding stats and realize only 461 of those were in the field.

The 10-year pension is something like $180k per year for life. What a sweet, sweet deal he has.


It looks like the yearly amount actually depends on when you start accepting it. If he took the pension as soon as he retired, it would be much lower. But since he's been working as a coach and an announcer, most likely he hasn't started it yet.
 
2012-05-31 03:42:11 PM  

JohnBigBootay: PowerSlacker: The Mariners will scoop him up

Would not surprise me at all after Griffey's second year. That whole saga still amazes me. I mean that Seattleites still can't accept that he absolutely loathes this place.


Seattle sports fans are notorious suckers. Some of them even want Sternball back after the way he plunger raped them.
 
2012-05-31 03:58:31 PM  

PowerSlacker: Seattle sports fans are notorious suckers. Some of them even want Sternball back after the way he plunger raped them.


I just find it really odd how beloved he is even after burning the place down on sports radio on his way out of town the first time and signing with cincy for less that seattle would have given him. Then he comes back - does ok the for an old part-time guy the first year. The second year he's asleep in the dugout (Griffey's treatment of the 30 yr beat reporter who broke the story is reprehensible) and couldn't hit a homer with a golfball and whines about being benched after 100 plate appearances with nary a HR and only 7 RBI's. Then quits and leaves in the middle of the night without even facing his teammates. Has he even been seen in town since he left? The dude hates seattle and he has since before he left the first time. But the locals are still in love with the guy. He'd have to buy a billboard with him giving the finger before anyone would notice it though.
 
2012-05-31 04:06:40 PM  

DeWayne Mann: Harv72b: But if anyone claimed him I would expect it to be a team with a good shot at the postseason

Why? He's not going to help a team make the postseason. At best, he'd be a decent LOOGY for such a team, but that seems a little odd.

What he does provide is an above replacement level starter at a very low cost. That's something that teams like the Twins, the A's, maybe the Cubs could all use.


He would provide experience and mentoring for the younger players in things like dealing with pennant race/postseason pressure, and in tips/tricks in conditioning one's self for the long haul of the full season-plus, along with actually helping on the field from time to time. Such things would be beneficial to teams like I outlined above.

For a team like the Twins, or the A's, or the Cubs, who are almost certainly not going to be in contention this season, he might add 1 or 2 wins to the season total while taking away valuable pitching time from younger players. Put another way, if I knew my team was going to be out of it this year, I'd rather pay the league minimum to a developmental pitcher who might help me for many years to come than to a 49 year-old journeyman who would better serve my interests as a coach or adviser.

Trust me, I'm a Baltimore fan--I have lots of experience with rebuilding and how not to do it.
 
2012-05-31 04:20:07 PM  

Harv72b: DeWayne Mann: Harv72b: But if anyone claimed him I would expect it to be a team with a good shot at the postseason

Why? He's not going to help a team make the postseason. At best, he'd be a decent LOOGY for such a team, but that seems a little odd.

What he does provide is an above replacement level starter at a very low cost. That's something that teams like the Twins, the A's, maybe the Cubs could all use.

He would provide experience and mentoring for the younger players in things like dealing with pennant race/postseason pressure, and in tips/tricks in conditioning one's self for the long haul of the full season-plus, along with actually helping on the field from time to time. Such things would be beneficial to teams like I outlined above.

For a team like the Twins, or the A's, or the Cubs, who are almost certainly not going to be in contention this season, he might add 1 or 2 wins to the season total while taking away valuable pitching time from younger players. Put another way, if I knew my team was going to be out of it this year, I'd rather pay the league minimum to a developmental pitcher who might help me for many years to come than to a 49 year-old journeyman who would better serve my interests as a coach or adviser.

Trust me, I'm a Baltimore fan--I have lots of experience with rebuilding and how not to do it.


Two things; one tangential, one not

1. Moneywise, in the long run, having a guy like Moyer can save a team money. Let's take the A's. I've heard talk about them calling Brad Peacock up. Peacock's not bad, but it's unlikely he'd be much better than 2012 than Moyer would. But if you keep him down in AAA, not only can you control his development a bit better, but you delay his service time clock. Play that correctly, and not only can you avoid possible Super-2 status, you might be able to get an extra year of him at the minimum in a season where you have a shot at the playoffs.
2. I don't understand how you can say "Well, the playoff team could use some coaching" and then turn around and say "Well, the young team full of rookies doesn't need anything like that at all." That seems really, REALLY backwards to me.
 
2012-05-31 04:29:37 PM  

DeWayne Mann: 2. I don't understand how you can say "Well, the playoff team could use some coaching" and then turn around and say "Well, the young team full of rookies doesn't need anything like that at all." That seems really, REALLY backwards to me.


I'm assuming that Moyer would be able to contribute on the mound as well as in the clubhouse. If he's being brought in solely for clubhouse purposes, then he should be a coach regardless of how good the team as a whole is.
 
2012-05-31 04:31:29 PM  

DeWayne Mann: Two things; one tangential, one not


Here's the thing - he's 49, a year off Tommy John surgery, and he got rocked the last two times out. I don't think you can really criticize any personnel guys who don't really want to spend any time on Jamie Moyer at this point. Let's face it - it's just as likely he strains something and you pay him to sit at home as it is that he spends extra time at the park teaching his pseudo-grandchildren how to prep in the offseason. I love the guy and I'll root for him if he gets picked up. But I'm not gonna criticize the teams that pass on him. Make it look as rosey as you want but his remaining value is marginal at best.
 
2012-05-31 04:37:36 PM  

DeWayne Mann: It looks like the yearly amount actually depends on when you start accepting it. If he took the pension as soon as he retired, it would be much lower. But since he's been working as a coach and an announcer, most likely he hasn't started it yet.


He's also like 15 years past the point where most guys start realize that they're spending all their money stupidly. I'm sure he's financially set either way.
 
2012-05-31 04:41:56 PM  

JohnBigBootay: The dude hates seattle and he has since before he left the first time. But the locals are still in love with the guy.


He didn't lie. We can take it if you're at least honest with us, and he left his legs at the Kingdome. We're not blind to what it took to play on that Graveyard of Knees.

Same with Randy Johnson. He said he wanted to leave, he left, was successful elsewhere and Mariners fans actually celebrated it. If someone did that on the east coast they'd be branded a traitor for decades after their death.

Pay-Wad gave us lip service and lied. He's still notorious; there may never be enough water under the bridge (and we get plenty of rain). He doesn't get booed nearly as much anymore but he'll NEVER be respected, either. The NY media is baffled by this grudge because they don't get it.

Loving our city is not a requirement for our respect. Being honest about it while giving full effort is all we ask, and frankly that's one reason I'm proud of where I grew up. Other cities seem to want loyalty from their athletes; we don't. We want honesty and effort. (YMMV, but this is definitely more prevalent among Seattle fans than other cities I've been.)

/ Now live in Boston
// Nice place, but damn, sports fans east of the Rockies are derpy
 
2012-05-31 04:42:49 PM  

Harv72b: I'm assuming that Moyer would be able to contribute on the mound as well as in the clubhouse.


He's got a 5.46 FIP and a 4.73 xFIP. In 2010, those numbers were 4.98 & 4.30.

If he's contributing as much in the clubhouse as on the mound, I'd be worried.

Harv72b: If he's being brought in solely for clubhouse purposes, then he should be a coach regardless of how good the team as a whole is.


Ok, I'm lost. I thought we were discussing why a team would want him to pitch.

If he's a COACH, then I don't give a crap who signs him.

But as a pitcher, he'd drag down quite a lot of teams, including just about anyone with a shot at the playoffs.

JohnBigBootay: But I'm not gonna criticize the teams that pass on him.


Absolutely. As I said, he's definitely above replacement, but no where near average. Give him a full season and you MIGHT get 1 WAR out of him.

But on the flip side...1 WAR (at 1 to 2x minimum salary) wouldn't be too terrible for some teams.
 
2012-05-31 04:44:42 PM  

you have pee hands: DeWayne Mann: It looks like the yearly amount actually depends on when you start accepting it. If he took the pension as soon as he retired, it would be much lower. But since he's been working as a coach and an announcer, most likely he hasn't started it yet.

He's also like 15 years past the point where most guys start realize that they're spending all their money stupidly. I'm sure he's financially set either way.


Oh, I assume so.

Though I was surprised to learn that he never earned a million in a single year (at least not as a base salary...there may have been bonuses/playoff shares/whatever).
 
2012-05-31 04:47:11 PM  

JohnBigBootay: PowerSlacker: Seattle sports fans are notorious suckers. Some of them even want Sternball back after the way he plunger raped them.

I just find it really odd how beloved he is even after burning the place down on sports radio on his way out of town the first time and signing with cincy for less that seattle would have given him.


WTF are you talking about? Griffey left because he wanted to play in Cincy like his dad. No one begrudges him that. It's not like it was a secret. The guy had other motivations to play other than money. BFD.

He works for the Mariners front office right now, so he apparently doesn't hate it here too much.
 
2012-05-31 04:52:20 PM  

DeWayne Mann: Though I was surprised to learn that he never earned a million in a single year (at least not as a base salary...there may have been bonuses/playoff shares/whatever).


Oh, I was still thinking Moyer. Moyer obviously made a bunch more money.
 
2012-05-31 04:53:29 PM  

dragonchild: He didn't lie. We can take it if you're at least honest with us


One has to speak for you to be able to tell if they are lying or not. I was willing to forget all the old stuff but the way he left was childish and petulant. Then to have his agent actually mention the perceived playing time diss on the radio when he didn't have the balls to face his teammates or fans? The Kid indeed. Dude will be 60 and still need to grow up. He defines narcissist. Seattle fans could send him a solid gold bust of himself and he'd still feel like seattle owes him something. For what I don't know.
 
2012-05-31 04:54:10 PM  

you have pee hands: DeWayne Mann: Though I was surprised to learn that he never earned a million in a single year (at least not as a base salary...there may have been bonuses/playoff shares/whatever).

Oh, I was still thinking Moyer. Moyer obviously made a bunch more money.


That he has.
 
2012-05-31 04:55:27 PM  
Back to Moyer: Actually, teams that should take him are the Mariners, A's or Padres. They're not going anywhere, you can never have too many southpaw pitchers, he's cheap, he may have a few games left in his arm, and he's free publicity. I doubt he'd make a good pitching coach because even when he was mowing down the best lineups in the AL, I didn't observe many Mariners prospects that learned shiat from him. But I don't think clubs need veterans as mentors, anyway. Most young pitchers are as dumb as bricks and more stubborn; the main jobs of pitching coaches these days seem to be watching pitch counts, using the bullpen phone and watching tape for bad form (causes of injury, tipped pitches).

It's the publicity that makes him more valuable than his stats indicate. From a business standpoint, he's a no-brainer. What other pitcher that bad can you find that'll bring in genuine fan interest? He gets more headlines that just about all other equivalent pitchers combined.

As for getting rocked, he's been there before. PLENTY of times. Even in the "prime" of his career (he was, what, 40?), every now and then it'd seem the bag of magic would go empty and he couldn't miss a bat if it was stuffed in a dugout locker. Granted at this point he's so washed up no contender should take him, but to reiterate. . . why wouldn't a team going nowhere?
 
2012-05-31 04:58:39 PM  

Rent Party: He works for the Mariners front office right now, so he apparently doesn't hate it here too much.


He gets a paycheck for being a special consultant, he ain't actually here. I imagine they'll force him to hold his nose and show up at the ballpark at some point to justify the money. But with this ownership group I imagine they find a few hundred k worth it just to be able to say 'ken griffey jr.' every now and then.
 
2012-05-31 05:00:56 PM  

dragonchild: Actually, teams that should take him are the Mariners, A's or Padres


Gonna have to veto the M's. We need to get him that 9th team!
 
2012-05-31 05:11:54 PM  

JohnBigBootay: Rent Party: He works for the Mariners front office right now, so he apparently doesn't hate it here too much.

He gets a paycheck for being a special consultant, he ain't actually here. I imagine they'll force him to hold his nose and show up at the ballpark at some point to justify the money. But with this ownership group I imagine they find a few hundred k worth it just to be able to say 'ken griffey jr.' every now and then.


And I suppose that he came here rather than Atlanta means he hates it here, too? Or that he couldn't be a "special consultant" in Cincy?

I think you're just one of those johnny come lately baseball experts that showed up around '95 and then got all butthurt when you learned that all your favorite players sometimes leave.

As the dude above put it: No one gave a shiat about Randy Johnson leaving, either, but Pay-Rod is never going to get any respect around here. And there's a reason for that.
 
2012-05-31 05:27:22 PM  

Rent Party: I think you're just one of those johnny come lately


I'm not even a Mariners fan. It's just plain to see that Griffey has no love for this place whatsoever. That and he acts like a child over even the smallest perceived slight.
 
2012-05-31 05:31:33 PM  
Sorry for a quick thread jack, but can a TF'er tell me if there is a greenlit link for Lidstrom's retirement scheduled to be posted?
 
2012-05-31 05:32:17 PM  

zippolight2002: Sorry for a quick thread jack, but can a TF'er tell me if there is a greenlit link for Lidstrom's retirement scheduled to be posted?


nvm, I'm an idiot.
 
2012-05-31 05:34:38 PM  

JohnBigBootay: Rent Party: I think you're just one of those johnny come lately

I'm not even a Mariners fan. It's just plain to see that Griffey has no love for this place whatsoever. That and he acts like a child over even the smallest perceived slight.


Well that explains a lot then. Why didn't you just say "I don't know what I'm talking about."

Is it "plain to see" because he came back when he didn't have to, or because he accepted an office job with the team when he didn't have to?
 
2012-05-31 05:52:17 PM  

Rent Party: Well that explains a lot then. Why didn't you just say "I don't know what I'm talking about."

Is it "plain to see" because he came back when he didn't have to, or because he accepted an office job with the team when he didn't have to?



He came back for money. It wasn't like he had tons of options and no one would pay him more than Seattle at the end. Same with the 'office' job. You have Stockholm syndrome or something dude. You think arod is the great satan because he took the richest baseball contract in history to leave but find griffey blameless for taking his ball and going home in the middle of the night without even having the balls to do it like a man and face his teammates. Let alone say thank you to the fans who turned out in droves to see his fat ass whiff. He even used his farking retirement statement to complain about lack of playing time. I don't know - cherish your bobblehead or something but it will be a cold day indeed when griffey shows up at safeco when not being paid to do so. Which is fine.
 
2012-05-31 05:56:24 PM  

DeWayne Mann: Ok, I'm lost. I thought we were discussing why a team would want him to pitch.

If he's a COACH, then I don't give a crap who signs him.

But as a pitcher, he'd drag down quite a lot of teams, including just about anyone with a shot at the playoffs.


*facepalm*

You're the one who said that a team would sign him to pitch. This started with my statement that he was out of the majors.

I'm allowing that you might be right about him catching on with another team, but signing him to a last place roster makes about as much sense as arguing about it on the internet.
 
2012-05-31 06:00:22 PM  
Now Moyer - there's a classy ex-Mariner that, were I a Mariner fan, I would clamor for a one-day signing so he could retire in their uniform.
 
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