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2012-05-31 05:54:03 AM
http://www.naturalnews.com/035935_HFCS_stupid_memory.html
 
2012-05-31 06:17:23 AM
FirstNationalBastard: cman: Besides the bullshiat behind the naming of the ingredient, why can't I find real soda with real sugar?

Corn syrup was cheaper in the 80s, so everyone switched over. Now, corn is subsidized by the government, so that's what is used.

There's always Pepsi and Mountain Dew throwback, Mexican Coke, Jones Soda...


You're right that corn syrup was cheaper in the 80s but Big Sugar is hugely subsidized and monopolized; the price supports are what keeps U.S. sugar artificially high. So corn syrup replaced it. Sugar subsidies and monopolies still exist in this country so our sugar is still higher than the rest of the world.

The only thing surprising about this denial by FDA is that the corn lobby in agriculture is second to none in its influence. Consider, corn is one of the least efficient ways to generate ethanol but it is mandated by government. Other grains are better feed stuffs but corn is the standard. Back in the 40s, corn produced no greater yield per acre than other grains but 90% of the research on crop yields and genetic modification has been in corn, not barley, oats, or wheat. Wheat is still considered a major grain commodity because of its use in bread. Oats, barley, rye, etc. have all fallen off the radar as ag commodities in favor of corn. Corn and soybeans dominate every ag market discussion.
 
2012-05-31 06:24:02 AM
FirstNationalBastard: Awwww... you mean the lying liars and their lies about "Corn Sugar" being the same as real sugar didn't succeed in their bid to bullshiat the public?

I feel so bad for them.


Me too. I wonder if someone has started an outreach / support group for them.
 
2012-05-31 06:29:20 AM
Haven't they tried to change the name of this, or label it differently, a number of times now? I seem to recall reading that they'd been shut down when they tried this before. Then again, as times change, it may have been in a different country where they were shut down and I am just combining the two in my head...

Google isn't being all that helpful but I'm pretty sure I recall this very same story from a few years ago. A part of me wants to think it was a Cracked article which would not surprise me as they're often rather (surprisingly so) well researched and factual.

Either way, as a rather anti-regulation type of person, I'm quite pleased when I see my government actually doing the job they're supposed to be doing. While I may not agree that we should, as a society, need the protection we do actually have the FDA and if we're going to have the FDA then they may as well do their job right.
 
2012-05-31 06:34:27 AM
Corn sugar's already a thing. Dextrose, like for homebrewing, eh? No need to confuse noob brewers as well as soda drinkers.
 
2012-05-31 06:48:29 AM
As many people have pointed out, Mexican Coke is an amazing thing... Even better than throwback.

Maybe it's a stupid question, but does anyone know why soda from a bottle always tastes better than soda from a can? Does the aluminum affect the soda in some way? There's just always something so much more refreshing about a bottle of cane soda.

Also, yes. Soda is bad for you. You shouldn't drink it all the time. You should also realize that one day you're going to die... Probably not from drinking soda... So enjoy a nice bottle of grape, cola or ginger ale every once and a while. (Especially the grape. Found a place out of town that sold diet grape soda and bought about 10 cases of the stuff. I want to be embalmed in it.)
 
2012-05-31 07:01:10 AM
Sam Malone: Mexican Coke is an amazing thing

Their soda ain't bad either.
 
2012-05-31 07:05:04 AM
FirstNationalBastard: There's always Pepsi and Mountain Dew throwback, Mexican Coke, Jones Soda...

Or water. Don't forget water.

FirstNationalBastard: Awwww... you mean the lying liars and their lies about "Corn Sugar" being the same as real sugar

I loved in those commercials that they'd say "Sugar is sugar! There's no difference!" Try telling that to anyone who brews beer.
 
2012-05-31 07:13:52 AM
Food and drink producers use HFCS because it is cheaper than sugar. HFCS is cheaper than sugar because the government places high tariffs on imported sugar. If these tariffs are lifted, the price of sugar will drop, and food and drink producers will have much less economic incentive to use HFCS. It's not quite "problem solved", but it would help.
 
2012-05-31 07:17:52 AM
Cybernetic: Food and drink producers use HFCS because it is cheaper than sugar. HFCS is cheaper than sugar because the government places high tariffs on imported sugar. If these tariffs are lifted, the price of sugar will drop, and food and drink producers will have much less economic incentive to use HFCS. It's not quite "problem solved", but it would help.

Those tariffs are only to protect the American sugar cane growers from rapacious foreign nations like Jamaica.
 
2012-05-31 07:24:04 AM
In case anyone was wondering, I haven't had a soft drink since November.

/no fast food since November of the year before
//yay
 
2012-05-31 07:41:46 AM
cman: Besides the bullshiat behind the naming of the ingredient, why can't I find real soda with real sugar?

There's lot of soda with real sugar. Check the local grocery stores 'natural food' sections where all the granolas get their organic and gluten free processed foods. When going for cane sugar sodas it's like going for microbrews vs Bud. They are out they but they're not pushed as hard. Check out Virgil's line of drinks (owned by Reed's Inc. now).
 
2012-05-31 07:42:14 AM
I used to drink loads of soda. Then I switched to unsweetened iced tea from dunkin donuts. Now I can't go back to soda. Especially in the summer. The only thing that concerns me now is the caffeine.
 
2012-05-31 07:42:18 AM
bulldg4life: In case anyone was wondering, I haven't had a soft drink since November.

/no fast food since November of the year before
//yay


You sound formerly fat.
 
2012-05-31 07:49:35 AM
Cybernetic: Food and drink producers use HFCS because it is cheaper than sugar. HFCS is cheaper than sugar because the government places high tariffs on imported sugar. If these tariffs are lifted, the price of sugar will drop, and food and drink producers will have much less economic incentive to use HFCS. It's not quite "problem solved", but it would help.

I think that's already happening, but not quite for that reason. I equated the rise in "throwback" versions because HFCS was cheaper than sugar until a couple of years ago when Ethanol production became the new corn sweetheart. More of the crops went to Ethanol production (mo' money) which probably raised the price of other corn products (feed corn, oil, HFCS) and it may be getting back to being cheaper to use sugar again.
 
2012-05-31 07:52:45 AM
ChubbyTiger: Those tariffs are only to protect the American sugar cane growers from rapacious foreign nations like Jamaica.

What a keen idea. Saves American jobs.

Could it be applied to manufacturing?
 
2012-05-31 08:03:02 AM
bulldg4life: In case anyone was wondering, I haven't had a soft drink since November.

/no fast food since November of the year before
//yay


I hear ya! I only drink beer or whisky too....
 
2012-05-31 08:11:10 AM
Despite the name, the Corn Refiners Association says the most common forms of it are about half fructose and half glucose

Why not call it Half & Half? Nobody could have a problem with that.
 
2012-05-31 08:13:15 AM
HFCS isn't really that much unhealthier than sugar. Regular sugar is just that unhealthy as well.

It's the fructose, people.
 
2012-05-31 08:13:34 AM
so "sugar" needs to be a crystallized solid? when you melt glucose, does it cease to be sugar? it's not crystallized, nor is it a solid.

the FDA, protecting our children through arbitrary semantics.
instead of biatching about the name, how about you just consume LESS of the stuff?
 
2012-05-31 08:26:19 AM
farkityfarker: I still haven't heard a valid reason don't understand why there's anything wrong with HFCS as compared to cane sugar science. Just lots of bullshiat.

there we go
 
2012-05-31 08:29:56 AM
HFCS by any other name is still as sweet
 
2012-05-31 08:30:07 AM
"What's going on here is basically a con game to suggest otherwise," Callister said. "What do con men do? They normally try to change their name. The FDA has thankfully stopped that."
"


THIS is why we don't trust food processing corporations. They don't give a rats a$$ (actually they would SELL it to you if they could) what they put in their product as long as they can get you to buy it.
 
2012-05-31 08:32:23 AM
NewportBarGuy: Wait a f*cking second here. Are you trying to tell me that regulation can protect consumers from lying whorebags?

This does not compute.


They forgot to line the right pockets.
 
2012-05-31 08:35:11 AM
FirstNationalBastard: cman: Besides the bullshiat behind the naming of the ingredient, why can't I find real soda with real sugar?

Corn syrup was cheaper in the 80s, so everyone switched over. Now, corn is subsidized by the government, so that's what is used.

There's always Pepsi and Mountain Dew throwback, Mexican Coke, Jones Soda...


You forgot Poland Spring.
 
2012-05-31 08:39:54 AM
The_Original_Roxtar: so "sugar" needs to be a crystallized solid? when you melt glucose, does it cease to be sugar? it's not crystallized, nor is it a solid.

the FDA, protecting our children through arbitrary semantics.
instead of biatching about the name, how about you just consume LESS of the stuff?


Don't tell me what to do.
 
2012-05-31 08:47:34 AM
Hobo Jr.: No one prefers faux crab over the real stuff.

I do.

/not a seafood lover
 
2012-05-31 08:47:51 AM
cman: Besides the bullshiat behind the naming of the ingredient, why can't I find real soda with real sugar?

HFCS is cheaper for the manufacturer. Look in the Mexican food aisle at the store, or Mexican groceries, for sodas and Coke made with sugar


Also
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2012-05-31 08:52:44 AM
violentsalvation: ecmoRandomNumbers: violentsalvation: ecmoRandomNumbers: FirstNationalBastard: ecmoRandomNumbers: FirstNationalBastard: There's always Pepsi and Mountain Dew throwback, Mexican Coke, Jones Soda...

Water...

Yes, because water is a soda with real sugar, like he was asking about.

I was just putting it out there. Some people don't realize that it's an option, apparently.

I guess I am like you. I find a glass of cold water so much more refreshing and tastier than a soda. I probably drink 3 or 5 cokes a year. If I drank soda instead of water like some people do I would be 100lbs fatter.

Probably has something to do with living in Arizona. The thought of a giant soda after being in 115 degree heat makes my kidneys ache.

I just drank a glass of orange juice and it was yummy but I had to chase it with some awesome water. I don't know if we were actually too poor to afford soda or if my parents were just that awesome to make it a rare treat and get us hooked on water. Possibly both. It even sticks with fast food. "NO, JUST THE BURGER, IF I WANTED THE MEAL I WOULD HAVE SAID SO" I wouldn't mind the fries but I don't want that carbonated pre-piss.

WATER!


Unfortunately here in FL, the tap water is pretty undrinkable, and bottled water is the only potable option at some restaurants And whaddya know... 16 ounces with no refills is about all they offer. That's why I drink beer.
 
2012-05-31 08:57:05 AM
Iced tea + stevia for sweetner for me. Drinking regular soda just makes me feel sluggish and want to drink more. Like I'm always thirsty. I prefer the stuff made with real sugar if I can get it. Otherwise, blech.
 
2012-05-31 08:57:29 AM
Ishkur: Sam Malone: Mexican Coke is an amazing thing

Their soda ain't bad either.


You win 1 internets, sir.
 
2012-05-31 08:58:47 AM
I had heard that a lot of MexiCoke was switching to HFCS since it was now cheaper than sugar due to demand...
 
2012-05-31 08:59:20 AM
Oh, well GOOOOOOOOD for you, FDA!
 
2012-05-31 09:08:00 AM
I'm all for calling things exactly what they are.

So stop classifying mentally retarded kids as "special needs" and kids with less than average intelligence as having "learning disabilities".

Oh, yeah, and you're not bi-polar either.
 
2012-05-31 09:08:59 AM
cman: Besides the bullshiat behind the naming of the ingredient, why can't I find real soda with real sugar?

On the plus side, I've stopped drinking soda because HFCS is way too sweet and my GI does not like it.
 
2012-05-31 09:12:19 AM
cman: Besides the bullshiat behind the naming of the ingredient, why can't I find real soda with real sugar?

Because of huge subsidies on corn in the USA, and tariffs on the import of cane sugar (proposed by corn growers when their subsidies wern't enough).
 
2012-05-31 09:12:58 AM
I guess they decided to do something right just to throw us all off.
 
2012-05-31 09:14:50 AM
doubled99: I'm all for calling things exactly what they are.

So stop classifying ... kids with less than average intelligence as having "learning disabilities".


What do you think dyslexia is?
 
2012-05-31 09:17:51 AM
You Farkers want a real tragedy? Tequila makers are losing their agave sources because farmers are opting to grow corn instead because it's a cheaper crop and they can sell it for ethanol.
 
2012-05-31 09:20:18 AM
Glucose, C6H12O6 is THE ONLY form of sugar you body can use in metabolism.

It tastes bitter, not sweet.

ALL other forms of sugar cannot be "burned" by your human body. They are converted directly into fat.

That is correct kiddies, "o-calories" is just a lie to get you to buy poison and IT MAKES YOU FAT!
 
2012-05-31 09:20:39 AM
cman: Besides the bullshiat behind the naming of the ingredient, why can't I find real soda with real sugar?

Government subsidies that make corn syrup cheaper than cane sugar.
 
2012-05-31 09:21:00 AM
farkityfarker: I still haven't heard a valid reason why there's anything wrong with HFCS as compared to cane sugar. Just lots of bullshiat.

HFCS is a mixture of two monosaccharides. Table sugar is a disaccharide, held together with chemical bonds. Chemically they aren't even remotely the same thing besides being sweet.

Anyone who took a 8th grade chemistry class can see there's probably a difference in how they're metabolized, even if it's only the rate at which they are.

Chemical bonds are a big deal. What the HFCS lobby want to do is basically call a glass full of oxygen and hydrogen as water.
 
2012-05-31 09:21:11 AM
KatjaMouse: You Farkers want a real tragedy? Tequila makers are losing their agave sources because farmers are opting to grow corn instead because it's a cheaper crop and they can sell it for ethanol.

Good, whiskey is AMERICAN!
 
2012-05-31 09:22:39 AM
snocone: Glucose, C6H12O6 is THE ONLY form of sugar you body can use in metabolism.

It tastes bitter, not sweet.

ALL other forms of sugar cannot be "burned" by your human body. They are converted directly into fat.

That is correct kiddies, "o-calories" is just a lie to get you to buy poison and IT MAKES YOU FAT!


I don't think there's a true sentence in that post. That's a pretty impressive achievement.
 
2012-05-31 09:27:02 AM
FirstNationalBastard: ecmoRandomNumbers: FirstNationalBastard: There's always Pepsi and Mountain Dew throwback, Mexican Coke, Jones Soda...

Water...

Yes, because water is a soda with real sugar, like he was asking about.


A little techy about yer soda there, ain't ya, young feller?!
 
2012-05-31 09:32:00 AM
NewportBarGuy: Wait a f*cking second here. Are you trying to tell me that regulation can protect consumers from lying whorebags?

This does not compute.


Quoting just because I want to see someone defend the rights of the Corn Refiners Association to lie about food.
 
2012-05-31 09:37:07 AM
h0tsauce: snocone: Glucose, C6H12O6 is THE ONLY form of sugar you body can use in metabolism.

It tastes bitter, not sweet.

ALL other forms of sugar cannot be "burned" by your human body. They are converted directly into fat.

That is correct kiddies, "o-calories" is just a lie to get you to buy poison and IT MAKES YOU FAT!

I don't think there's a true sentence in that post. That's a pretty impressive achievement.


You seem to have achieved complete ignorance. Impressive. Go play your fiddle.

"Glucose is a ubiquitous fuel in biology. It is used as an energy source in most organisms, from bacteria to humans. Use of glucose may be by either aerobic respiration, anaerobic respiration, or fermentation. Glucose is the human body's key source of energy, through aerobic respiration, providing approximately 3.75 kilocalories (16 kilojoules) of food energy per gram.[4] Breakdown of carbohydrates (e.g. starch) yields mono- and disaccharides, most of which is glucose. Through glycolysis and later in the reactions of the citric acid cycle (TCAC), glucose is oxidized to eventually form CO2 and water, yielding energy sources, mostly in the form of ATP. The insulin reaction, and other mechanisms, regulate the concentration of glucose in the blood. A high fasting blood sugar level is an indication of prediabetic and diabetic conditions.

Glucose is a primary source of energy for the brain, and hence its availability influences psychological processes. When glucose is low, psychological processes requiring mental effort (e.g., self-control, effortful decision-making) are impaired."
It's Wiki, written at your reading level.
 
2012-05-31 09:41:17 AM
Good! Nice to see the FDA isn't always going to do whatever big business wants them to do.
 
2012-05-31 09:42:15 AM
NewportBarGuy: Wait a f*cking second here. Are you trying to tell me that regulation can protect consumers from lying whorebags?

When we let them do their jobs, yes.
 
2012-05-31 09:43:00 AM
shivashakti: Good! Nice to see the FDA isn't always going to do whatever big business wants them to do.

So whar the shenanigans we all know are hidden somewhere?
What slipped under the radar?
Must have been some tit/tat.
 
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