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(Think Progress)   In response to the outcry over a recent ad featuring a lesbian couple, JC Penney has released a new ad which does not feature a lesbian couple   (thinkprogress.org) divider line 259
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2012-05-31 09:06:40 AM  

Mrfusticle: I mean New York? The "Capital of the free world"?


I see your geography classes... did not go well.
 
2012-05-31 09:08:18 AM  

taurusowner: Serious question. Insult me or call me a troll all you want.

Much as it is no doubt difficult for a gay child to come to his/her straight parents regarding how to deal with being gay; who does a straight child talk to about being straight when both of his or her parents are homosexual? Take the child in the ad. When he reaches his teens and wants to know what it's like to date girls, who does he talk to? Where is the "I've been there" perspective come into play when neither parents have actually been there?

I don't know the statistics, but do most male/male couples adopt male children, and female/female couples adopt female children? What about males children with lesbian parents? Who teaches a young straight boy about what he goes through in puberty when both parents are lesbian children.

I think the is something to be said for parents being to impart real life experiences to their children. Moms talking to their daughters about how it was when they started dating, and dads telling their daughters about what boys her age are probably thinking, because he thought the same stuff. Likewise, a son coming to his dad about things like fighting, dating, getting picked on in the locker room, etc. Or maybe talking to his mom about things he might be embarrassed to talk to his dad about. I just think that having both a male and a female perspective available to children whether the child is male or female is a pretty good thing. Having both points of view around to ask questions, get advice, learn things from, etc is a great help to a child. I'd imagine it's much like children of single parents. It seems like pretty big handicap to just have an entire half of the human experience missing from your childhood, and unavailable to go to for things.

And take gender out of it, how does a gay couple teach their children about being straight? I'm really asking, and I'm sure there's a few gay or lesbian people on Fark who have adopted. When your son or daughter comes to you askin ...


Is this serious? Let's say, for argument's sake, that what you wrote isn't incredibly moronic and instead, true: would you say living in this home with a substandard ability to "teach" a kid about how to be straight is better or worse than being raised parentless and unloved in an orphanage, or jumping from foster home to foster home?

Now, let's say for reality's sake that what you wrote is incredibly moronic. well, I guess that's been stated, but regardless, since when do you have to teach a kid how to be whatever their inherent sexuality is? Love is love, dating is dating. People are still shy and nervous when they approach somebody they like and parents will encourage them to move forward and open up to the object of their affections. They'll still drive their kid to the movies on their first date because their kid is too young to drive him or herself, and they'll still take pictures when that kid's date shows up to their house on their way to the homecoming dance.

As far as "what a kid is thinking" when they're going through puberty for either gender, do you think you have to have gone through it yourself before you can figure out the general idea of what each gender goes through? I mean, I kinda figured out what was going on with the girls when we saw the films in health class. And as far as behavior during that age is concerned, to be honest, that changes so much from generation to generation that whatever experience a parent thinks they have is completely outdated. Is some parent gay or straight going to have an insight into sexting, which didn't exist when they were in high school?

Gay people can make perfectly good parents, just like straight people. Period.
 
2012-05-31 09:12:17 AM  

feckingmorons: It will offend some people and if I owned a store I wouldn't want to offend any of my customers.


There's a difference between the SprawlMart demographic and the JC Penny customer. Not saying JCP is up scale, except on a relative basis.
 
2012-05-31 09:14:17 AM  
That's why it's called Fathers' Day. It's for gay couples with kids.
 
2012-05-31 09:15:46 AM  

PonceAlyosha: Doc Daneeka: This is false. Gay marriage is legal in New York State.

The US government doesn't recognize homosexual marriages from other countries for immigration, visas, etc etc. It isn't just about New York state.


I hadn't considered the federal immigration/visa issues.

But couldn't they just come and get a New York state marriage license when they got here?

IANAL
 
2012-05-31 09:17:56 AM  
i742.photobucket.com
 
2012-05-31 09:19:41 AM  

JusticeandIndependence: Voiceofreason01: Ellen Degeneres(who got her start as a lesbian standup comic)

Uh, no. She didn't come out until years later on her own show and it got cancelled the next season.


huh. You're right. I could have sworn that I've seen her doing stand-up after she came out, though I suppose that could have been in the years after "Ellen" and before "The Ellen Show"
 
2012-05-31 09:20:19 AM  

This text is now purple: Mrfusticle: I mean New York? The "Capital of the free world"?

I see your geography classes... did not go well.


Same as your English comprehension I guess .. quote marks have a meaning y'know. (pop)

/Went to Brussels last month .. nice place but diverse? nah
//rabbit stew and beer? yeees
 
2012-05-31 09:21:05 AM  

taurusowner: Serious question. Insult me or call me a troll all you want.

Much as it is no doubt difficult for a gay child to come to his/her straight parents regarding how to deal with being gay; who does a straight child talk to about being straight when both of his or her parents are homosexual? Take the child in the ad. When he reaches his teens and wants to know what it's like to date girls, who does he talk to? Where is the "I've been there" perspective come into play when neither parents have actually been there?

I don't know the statistics, but do most male/male couples adopt male children, and female/female couples adopt female children? What about males children with lesbian parents? Who teaches a young straight boy about what he goes through in puberty when both parents are lesbian children.

I think the is something to be said for parents being to impart real life experiences to their children. Moms talking to their daughters about how it was when they started dating, and dads telling their daughters about what boys her age are probably thinking, because he thought the same stuff. Likewise, a son coming to his dad about things like fighting, dating, getting picked on in the locker room, etc. Or maybe talking to his mom about things he might be embarrassed to talk to his dad about. I just think that having both a male and a female perspective available to children whether the child is male or female is a pretty good thing. Having both points of view around to ask questions, get advice, learn things from, etc is a great help to a child. I'd imagine it's much like children of single parents. It seems like pretty big handicap to just have an entire half of the human experience missing from your childhood, and unavailable to go to for things.

And take gender out of it, how does a gay couple teach their children about being straight? I'm really asking, and I'm sure there's a few gay or lesbian people on Fark who have adopted. When your son or daughter comes to you asking about the opposite sex, how do you plan on tackling those questions given that attraction to the opposite sex is really something you know nothing about. I know I would be at a total loss if I had a gay child and he asked me about being attracted to other boys. I would have absolutely no idea how to respond. Surely gay and lesbian couple face the same obstacles.


If they dont know how to give advice, or what advice to give, They ask their friends who are parents, or the Internet, or Dan Savage. Same as any other parent
 
2012-05-31 09:22:24 AM  
Methinks it's time to go shopping at JCP. Need new clothes anyway.
 
2012-05-31 09:23:26 AM  

Doc Daneeka: But couldn't they just come and get a New York state marriage license when they got here?


Because that's not actually a marriage, on a federal level. It's a fun new york state's 2nd class citizen's rights pass.
 
2012-05-31 09:23:59 AM  
I am firmly against this ad. My mom gets the JCPenny catalogue and I don't want her getting any wild ideas, like she's going to get more grandchildren.
 
2012-05-31 09:25:58 AM  
Outrage, and doubling up are always fun to read about, no matter which far side of the political spectrum it upsets.
 
2012-05-31 09:26:48 AM  
I'm only 1/3 of the way through reading the comments and I see LOTS of people saying stuff like "time to head down to JCP and buy some clothes", so clearly it's working. Win-win for them. Negative media attention from 40,000 Twunts = mo money, mo money, mo money.
 
2012-05-31 09:28:57 AM  
Nooooo! If they show gay people as normal, happy individuals who enjoy the same emotional relationships as we do, how can we continue to paint them as evil hedonists who want to convert our children?
 
2012-05-31 09:29:58 AM  

Doc Daneeka: PonceAlyosha: Doc Daneeka: This is false. Gay marriage is legal in New York State.

The US government doesn't recognize homosexual marriages from other countries for immigration, visas, etc etc. It isn't just about New York state.

I hadn't considered the federal immigration/visa issues.

But couldn't they just come and get a New York state marriage license when they got here?

IANAL



Even if they did, the spouse wouldn't be able to stay without the visa.
 
2012-05-31 09:33:43 AM  

Thanks for the Meme-ries: [i291.photobucket.com image 640x444]


Yea, Yea and here's what a straight marriage looks like.
27.media.tumblr.com
/Happy now ; )
 
2012-05-31 09:34:04 AM  
Daddy 1 is a tent maker?

Wait...what?
 
2012-05-31 09:35:19 AM  
the problem with a boycott is that sometimes you end up HELPING the company you were trying to hurt...
 
2012-05-31 09:35:48 AM  

wildcardjack: And the funny thing is... JCP headquarters are a stones throw from a 20,000+ person megachurch. Well, I presume they're still at their old address off Legacy in Plano. They didn't move to a gay part of Dallas, although things have gotten a lot more upscale around JCP.


Cowboy's stadium is taking tenants now?

GO HOUSTON TEXANS!
 
2012-05-31 09:37:11 AM  

KrispyKritter: FirstNationalBastard: I'll be impressed when JC Penney has an ad featuring chicks with dicks plowing midgets.

damn straight. business only care about the money in our wallet and the credit card in our hand.

they don't care about gays. they want gay market money. and non-english speaking money. and womens money. and teenagers money. etcetera. they will cater and pander to peoples stupid egos and some will take the bait right between their teeth.

they don't give a flying fark about you people.

The dollar bill is the only real vote an american has. spend/vote with care.


WHAT!? My world view is shattered!!

/you sound fun at parties
 
2012-05-31 09:41:33 AM  

feckingmorons: I don't understand why they do that. It will offend some people and if I owned a store I wouldn't want to offend any of my customers.


Because they don't mind losing bigots as customers? Because offending bigots is the right thing to do? Because catering to bigots is just plain wrong? Because for every bigot that stays away from JCPenney, there are two people who love them for doing this and who will make it a point to shop at JCPenney rather than all the stores that quietly encouraged bigots by refusing to offend them? Take your pick.
 
2012-05-31 09:42:34 AM  

Weaver95:
the really strange part is that people who claim to believe in the bible as literal truth seem to conveniently forget that Christ didn't say one damn thing about gays one way or the other. If christ didn't seem to care about sexuality, then why do they?


1 Samuel 13:5
The Philistines assembled to fight Israel, with three thousand chariots, six thousand charioteers, and soldiers as numerous as the sand on the seashore. They went up and camped at Mikmash, east of Beth Aven.

Since the Bible is the literal truth, nothing bizarre can be false. Jonah was in the belly of a whale, the Earth was covered in water, etc. etc.

By that logic, there were 750,000,000,000,000,000,000 soldiers camped at Mikmash. That figure is based on a calculation given on THIS (pops)web site.

Real estate prices are STILL depressed in Beth Aven. When the wind blows from the East, the smell of all that Philistine poo is overwhelming. It's going to be another few thousand years before it all dries up.
 
2012-05-31 09:46:39 AM  

tillerman35: Weaver95:
the really strange part is that people who claim to believe in the bible as literal truth seem to conveniently forget that Christ didn't say one damn thing about gays one way or the other. If christ didn't seem to care about sexuality, then why do they?

1 Samuel 13:5
The Philistines assembled to fight Israel, with three thousand chariots, six thousand charioteers, and soldiers as numerous as the sand on the seashore. They went up and camped at Mikmash, east of Beth Aven.

Since the Bible is the literal truth, nothing bizarre can be false. Jonah was in the belly of a whale, the Earth was covered in water, etc. etc.

By that logic, there were 750,000,000,000,000,000,000 soldiers camped at Mikmash. That figure is based on a calculation given on THIS (pops)web site.

Real estate prices are STILL depressed in Beth Aven. When the wind blows from the East, the smell of all that Philistine poo is overwhelming. It's going to be another few thousand years before it all dries up.


If you like 1 Samuel 13, wait until you get to 1 Samuel 15! God orders the massacre of innocent women, children, and livestock and then gets pissed when the massacre doesn't go exactly as he ordered (they spared some livestock).

If that's the arbiter of morality, fark morality.

and gg JCP. well played.
 
2012-05-31 09:46:43 AM  

stealthd: taurusowner: Serious question. Insult me or call me a troll all you want.

Much as it is no doubt difficult for a gay child to come to his/her straight parents regarding how to deal with being gay; who does a straight child talk to about being straight when both of his or her parents are homosexual? Take the child in the ad. When he reaches his teens and wants to know what it's like to date girls, who does he talk to? Where is the "I've been there" perspective come into play when neither parents have actually been there?

I don't know the statistics, but do most male/male couples adopt male children, and female/female couples adopt female children? What about males children with lesbian parents? Who teaches a young straight boy about what he goes through in puberty when both parents are lesbian children.

I think the is something to be said for parents being to impart real life experiences to their children. Moms talking to their daughters about how it was when they started dating, and dads telling their daughters about what boys her age are probably thinking, because he thought the same stuff. Likewise, a son coming to his dad about things like fighting, dating, getting picked on in the locker room, etc. Or maybe talking to his mom about things he might be embarrassed to talk to his dad about. I just think that having both a male and a female perspective available to children whether the child is male or female is a pretty good thing. Having both points of view around to ask questions, get advice, learn things from, etc is a great help to a child. I'd imagine it's much like children of single parents. It seems like pretty big handicap to just have an entire half of the human experience missing from your childhood, and unavailable to go to for things.

And take gender out of it, how does a gay couple teach their children about being straight? I'm really asking, and I'm sure there's a few gay or lesbian people on Fark who have adopted. When your son or daughter comes ...


My wife and I have two sons. I am not planning on teaching them how to convince a woman to try anal sex, because I think they would figure out how I know that pretty quickly, and then want to bleach their brains.

My point is, parental sex education is not likely to be highly, um, detail-oriented. You give them the big ideas and buy them a few good books.
 
2012-05-31 09:48:39 AM  

feckingmorons: I don't understand why they do that. It will offend some people and if I owned a store I wouldn't want to offend any of my customers. Do gay people not go to stores that don't have gay couples in the ads? I don't know the answer to that.

I don't care who is in store ads, I don't connect with them personally, if they want to have gay zoo animals riding in a clown car it is OK with me. My concern is value, not what the people do when they're not being catalog models.


They're not targeting gay people in particular, but rather progressives, straight and gay, who appreciate the inclusion of gay people and will think more positively of the brand from now on. The fact that they alienate some conservatives just means that they don't think they're part of their target customer base to begin with. And since progressives on average have more income than far right conservatives, I can't say that's a bad decision for them.
 
2012-05-31 09:49:25 AM  

Another Pretentious Nickname: My point is, parental sex education is not likely to be highly, um, detail-oriented. You give them the big ideas and buy them a few good books.


Then it's not really education at all, is it? I was given details and my kids will be (and currently are) given details. Death and sexuality are the most ubiquitous parts of the lives of sexually reproducing organisms. Being vague about either is a grave mistake.
 
2012-05-31 09:49:44 AM  

taurusowner: Take the child in the ad of a single mother. When he reaches his teens and wants to know what it's like to date girls, who does he talk to? Where is the "I've been there" perspective come into play when neither parents have his single mother has not actually been there?

I don't know the statistics, but do most male/male couples adopt single fathers have male children, and female/female couples adopt single mothers female children? What about males children with lesbian parents single mothers? Who teaches a young straight boy about what he goes through in puberty when both parents are lesbian children. he only knows his single mother?


I think I've made my point.

And take gender out of it, how does a gay couple teach their children about being straight? I'm really asking, and I'm sure there's a few gay or lesbian people on Fark who have adopted. When your son or daughter comes to you askin ...

We have an entire culture that teaches people how to be straight. There's no evidence that straight children of gay parents have any problem with it, and plenty of evidence that they don't.
 
2012-05-31 09:54:11 AM  

h0tsauce: taurusowner: Take the child in the ad of a single mother. When he reaches his teens and wants to know what it's like to date girls, who does he talk to? Where is the "I've been there" perspective come into play when neither parents have his single mother has not actually been there?

I don't know the statistics, but do most male/male couples adopt single fathers have male children, and female/female couples adopt single mothers female children? What about males children with lesbian parents single mothers? Who teaches a young straight boy about what he goes through in puberty when both parents are lesbian children. he only knows his single mother?


I think I've made my point.

And take gender out of it, how does a gay couple teach their children about being straight? I'm really asking, and I'm sure there's a few gay or lesbian people on Fark who have adopted. When your son or daughter comes to you askin ...

We have an entire culture that teaches people how to be straight. There's no evidence that straight children of gay parents have any problem with it, and plenty of evidence that they don't.


I dated the daughter of gay parents once upon a time, long ago.

She turned out to be crazy for all her own reasons, but not because of her parenting. And she certainly didn't have any trouble figuring out how to be straight, I can tell you that.
 
2012-05-31 09:54:26 AM  

Another Pretentious Nickname: stealthd: taurusowner: Serious question. Insult me or call me a troll all you want.

Much as it is no doubt difficult for a gay child to come to his/her straight parents regarding how to deal with being gay; who does a straight child talk to about being straight when both of his or her parents are homosexual? Take the child in the ad. When he reaches his teens and wants to know what it's like to date girls, who does he talk to? Where is the "I've been there" perspective come into play when neither parents have actually been there?

I don't know the statistics, but do most male/male couples adopt male children, and female/female couples adopt female children? What about males children with lesbian parents? Who teaches a young straight boy about what he goes through in puberty when both parents are lesbian children.

I think the is something to be said for parents being to impart real life experiences to their children. Moms talking to their daughters about how it was when they started dating, and dads telling their daughters about what boys her age are probably thinking, because he thought the same stuff. Likewise, a son coming to his dad about things like fighting, dating, getting picked on in the locker room, etc. Or maybe talking to his mom about things he might be embarrassed to talk to his dad about. I just think that having both a male and a female perspective available to children whether the child is male or female is a pretty good thing. Having both points of view around to ask questions, get advice, learn things from, etc is a great help to a child. I'd imagine it's much like children of single parents. It seems like pretty big handicap to just have an entire half of the human experience missing from your childhood, and unavailable to go to for things.

And take gender out of it, how does a gay couple teach their children about being straight? I'm really asking, and I'm sure there's a few gay or lesbian people on Fark who have adopted. When your son or daug ...


Exactly, give your kids a good home, be good role models, don't beat them and well gay or straight they may end up all right.
 
2012-05-31 09:55:00 AM  
Already stopped buying from J.C. Penny. It kind of hurt too, because I usually get my suits from there and really like their Stafford brand.

/oh well
 
2012-05-31 09:55:17 AM  

h0tsauce:
We have an entire culture that teaches people how to be straight. There's no evidence that straight children of gay parents have any problem with it, and plenty of evidence that they don't.


Since both my wife and I are straight, this never came up as an issue in our house. However, I would hope that our kids get the message about how to be good to the person they're with instead of how to be the man (or woman) in that relationship.

(Not dinging you- just trying to make a point).
 
2012-05-31 09:56:09 AM  

Weaver95: the problem with a boycott is that sometimes you end up HELPING the company you were trying to hurt...


I really think most of the time the company doesn't care about the dollars lost in a protest. You and your little group probably aren't going to hit them that hard, considering the size of said company. What they DO care about and sometimes respond to is the publicity of the boycott, and how it might harm their public image. However, in this particular case I believe we see the literal turn of the tide on the gay issue, in that JCPenny decided that the bad PR would be siding with the '1 Million Moms' hate group.
 
2012-05-31 09:58:13 AM  

tinfoil-hat maggie: Can mothers give their sons dating advice? Can fathers do the same for their daughters? Your to hung up on gender, dating is pretty much the same whether gay or straight.


That's the truth!

/Egyptian cotton, btw?
 
2012-05-31 09:58:42 AM  

stealthd: If they dont know how to give advice, or what advice to give, They ask their friends who are parents, or the Internet, or Dan Savage. Same as any other parent


This.

Remember that every kid is their own little person, and no parent is going to know the answers for every kid's problems from their own experience. That's why you talk to your friends, read parenting books, and even write to advice columnists. I imagine that gay parents handle it the same way straight parents always have when, say, outgoing parents find themselves with an introverted kid.
 
2012-05-31 10:00:09 AM  
Ok, JC Penny, you got me by the balls. I don't care if it's marketing stunt, I'll be shopping at JC Penny from now on.
 
2012-05-31 10:02:37 AM  

taurusowner: I don't know the statistics, but do most male/male couples adopt male children, and female/female couples adopt female children? What about males children with lesbian parents? Who teaches a young straight boy about what he goes through in puberty when both parents are lesbian children.


Heh- one of the women who works for me is a lesbian. She and her partner have two kids, both boys. I tease her about this sometimes- the universe clearly has a sense of humor.

Simple answer- you muddle through, just like any other parent. Single female/male parents are in the same boat with opposite sex kids and nobody seems to think that's odd.
 
2012-05-31 10:04:55 AM  

kid_icarus: Weaver95: the problem with a boycott is that sometimes you end up HELPING the company you were trying to hurt...

I really think most of the time the company doesn't care about the dollars lost in a protest. You and your little group probably aren't going to hit them that hard, considering the size of said company. What they DO care about and sometimes respond to is the publicity of the boycott, and how it might harm their public image. However, in this particular case I believe we see the literal turn of the tide on the gay issue, in that JCPenny decided that the bad PR would be siding with the '1 Million Moms' hate group.


it depends. earlier this year, a boycott hit Rush Limbaugh pretty damn hard. to the tune of several million dollars a day hard, not to mention advertisers suspending their ads completely for two weeks. Limbaugh, of course, will never admit it - but that incident cost him a crapload of cash. Not that he STFU or got knocked off the air, but it DID show his advertisers that Limbaugh will not only refuse to bend to public opinion but that he's more than willing to take his backers down with him if necessary. He still hasn't recovered from that debacle either...many advertisers pulled their ads and haven't gone back.
 
2012-05-31 10:06:20 AM  
This is a gay couple? Really?
i141.photobucket.com
You really came out strong there, JCP.
 
2012-05-31 10:07:13 AM  
I... Wait, what? Fark you JC Penney, and to think I used to fap to the lingerie section when I was 15... 16... 17...18...19...20... oh and the issue when I was 21...
 
2012-05-31 10:07:26 AM  

taurusowner: Serious question. Insult me or call me a troll all you want.

Much as it is no doubt difficult for a gay child to come to his/her straight parents regarding how to deal with being gay; who does a straight child talk to about being straight when both of his or her parents are homosexual? Take the child in the ad. When he reaches his teens and wants to know what it's like to date girls, who does he talk to? Where is the "I've been there" perspective come into play when neither parents have actually been there?

I don't know the statistics, but do most male/male couples adopt male children, and female/female couples adopt female children? What about males children with lesbian parents? Who teaches a young straight boy about what he goes through in puberty when both parents are lesbian children.

I think the is something to be said for parents being to impart real life experiences to their children. Moms talking to their daughters about how it was when they started dating, and dads telling their daughters about what boys her age are probably thinking, because he thought the same stuff. Likewise, a son coming to his dad about things like fighting, dating, getting picked on in the locker room, etc. Or maybe talking to his mom about things he might be embarrassed to talk to his dad about. I just think that having both a male and a female perspective available to children whether the child is male or female is a pretty good thing. Having both points of view around to ask questions, get advice, learn things from, etc is a great help to a child. I'd imagine it's much like children of single parents. It seems like pretty big handicap to just have an entire half of the human experience missing from your childhood, and unavailable to go to for things.

And take gender out of it, how does a gay couple teach their children about being straight? I'm really asking, and I'm sure there's a few gay or lesbian people on Fark who have adopted. When your son or daughter comes to you askin ...


It's not a serious question, as the answer is blindingly obvious to anyone with enough intelligence to type in full sentences (and it was answered within just a couple of posts). It's a thinly veiled attempt to put forth your point of view. Don't be so wishy washy, just say what you think and deal with the repercussions like an adult.
 
2012-05-31 10:08:03 AM  

CygnusDarius: I... Wait, what? Fark you JC Penney, and to think I used to fap to the lingerie section of the catalog when I was 15... 16... 17...18...19...20... oh and the issue when I was 21...


FTFM, before lawsuits and dirty looks.
 
2012-05-31 10:13:48 AM  

Weaver95: kid_icarus: Weaver95: the problem with a boycott is that sometimes you end up HELPING the company you were trying to hurt...

I really think most of the time the company doesn't care about the dollars lost in a protest. You and your little group probably aren't going to hit them that hard, considering the size of said company. What they DO care about and sometimes respond to is the publicity of the boycott, and how it might harm their public image. However, in this particular case I believe we see the literal turn of the tide on the gay issue, in that JCPenny decided that the bad PR would be siding with the '1 Million Moms' hate group.

it depends. earlier this year, a boycott hit Rush Limbaugh pretty damn hard. to the tune of several million dollars a day hard, not to mention advertisers suspending their ads completely for two weeks. Limbaugh, of course, will never admit it - but that incident cost him a crapload of cash. Not that he STFU or got knocked off the air, but it DID show his advertisers that Limbaugh will not only refuse to bend to public opinion but that he's more than willing to take his backers down with him if necessary. He still hasn't recovered from that debacle either...many advertisers pulled their ads and haven't gone back.


True. But I think even in that case, when the chips were down it was the publicity and concern with public image that decided the actions of all parties involved, not the money.
While I would like to think that advertisers pulled out of Rush (ugh, what a dirty mental image) purely on their moral convictions, it was more likely because they were concerned with the bad PR they might get being associated with him after the comments he made.
In turn, Rush didn't respond to the loss of money. It was more important to him to maintain his "integrity" as a hard-edged conservative that says provocative crap, damn the torpedoes full-speed ahead.
 
2012-05-31 10:14:30 AM  

Mrfusticle: Doc Daneeka:

This is false. Gay marriage is legal in New York State.

I thought so too but presumed I was wrong since he's looked into it .. hmmf, guess he's just embellishing to be a drama queen.

/no help with relocation is true though
//All the weirder since the company sponsors the gay pride festival in my town
///gay slashies


Since the New York law has just past recently, it might have been a timing issue. As said before the Fed Gov does not recognize it.
 
2012-05-31 10:14:33 AM  

Weaver95: Limbaugh, of course, will never admit it - but that incident cost him a crapload of cash.


Did it? He has a contract, no?
 
2012-05-31 10:15:55 AM  

Metaphysical Ham Sandwich: Another Pretentious Nickname: My point is, parental sex education is not likely to be highly, um, detail-oriented. You give them the big ideas and buy them a few good books.

Then it's not really education at all, is it? I was given details and my kids will be (and currently are) given details. Death and sexuality are the most ubiquitous parts of the lives of sexually reproducing organisms. Being vague about either is a grave mistake.


There is such a thing as too much information. I'm with Dan Savage, you start an ongoing open conversation on the basics, and then answer their questions honestly going forward from there. Volunteering more than they want to ask is a bad idea.
 
2012-05-31 10:22:59 AM  
I dunno. I think the frosted tips on the right guy are a little much.
 
2012-05-31 10:29:25 AM  
You said "lesbian couple" twice.

/I would have, also
 
2012-05-31 10:35:02 AM  

IrateShadow: I dunno. I think the frosted tips on the right guy are a little much.


Hmmm, interesting?
; )
 
2012-05-31 10:36:47 AM  

tinfoil-hat maggie: Hmmm, interesting?


Are frosted tips still a thing that people do? I thought they went out with the thong song.
 
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