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(ESPN)   Remember how the NFL was going to do away with the Pro Bowl? Yeah, about that   (espn.go.com) divider line 53
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2012-05-30 07:38:49 PM  
Two reasons:

1. Players want the trip

2. For January's game, TV ratings were strong, with 12.5 million viewers, making the Pro Bowl the most watched of all all-star games for the 2011 season, but the lack of intensity drew criticism from all sides.

As much as Goddell and some owners think the game is "crap"... it is hard to throw away a game that gets 12.5 million viewers, which is better than all other sporting events last year except for the major sports championship level games (NBA Finals, World Series, BCS Games, NCAA Final Four).

If fans truly think the game is crap... then don't watch it, and they'll pull it when it gets 4 million viewers. Honestly, Goddell would probably secretly love that.
 
2012-05-30 09:08:26 PM  
Screw the pro bowl, let there be two real bowl games. Incentivize by having bonus money for first, second and third place in the NFL. Make the losers of the championship games play each other the week before the super bowl. If you incentivize, we'll get one more real game of football and none of the shenanigans of the pro bowl.
 
2012-05-30 09:11:39 PM  
The players just want a free vacation and a chance to rub elbows with the other "best of the best", can you really blame them? I wouldn't mind if they did away with the game itself and replaced it with a skills competition and maybe a flag football game where the players have to swap offense and defense. "Look, Tom Brady is setting up as the Free Safety for the AFC!" Don't bother with the pretense of real competition and it's a lot more fun for everybody.
 
2012-05-30 09:11:55 PM  

dletter: 12.5 million viewers


I'll bet they don't get that many next time.
 
2012-05-30 09:16:44 PM  

Shaggy_C: skills competition


That would be a lot more fun to watch.
 
2012-05-30 09:16:54 PM  
Look, if you want to make the Pro Bowl kind of cool, make it a flag/touch football game.
 
2012-05-30 09:20:57 PM  
Is there any sporting event more irrelevant than the freaking Pro Bowl? How about the NBA All Star game? How about the NHL Winter Classic? How about the continual left turns that is NASCAR?
 
2012-05-30 09:28:29 PM  

MAYORBOB: Is there any sporting event more irrelevant than the freaking Pro Bowl? How about the NBA All Star game? How about the NHL Winter Classic? How about the continual left turns that is NASCAR?


The Winter Classic is very valid - it's a regular season game. It counts for standings.
 
2012-05-30 09:29:38 PM  

MAYORBOB: Is there any sporting event more irrelevant than the freaking Pro Bowl? How about the NBA All Star game? How about the NHL Winter Classic? How about the continual left turns that is NASCAR?


The sad part is there's really no way to improve it and not make it a flag football game or like the old skills competitions. Can you imagine the hue and cry if after week 8 there was a "Pro-Bowl Break" and owners had to worry about their stars getting injured?
 
2012-05-30 09:30:18 PM  

MAYORBOB: Is there any sporting event more irrelevant than the freaking Pro Bowl? How about the NBA All Star game? How about the NHL Winter Classic? How about the continual left turns that is NASCAR?


See kids, now this is trolling.
 
2012-05-30 09:34:29 PM  
I didn't read the article, and I haven't read the comments. All I want to say is this:

The Pro Bowl should be AFTER the Super Bowl, dammit!
 
2012-05-30 09:36:47 PM  
I'd think the Players union would fight pretty hard to keep the game as is, because all the players that opt not to play due to injury or fatigue basically at least doubles everyone who gets to put pro bowler next to their name. If all they do is announce a theoretical pro bowl roster, then David Gerrard doesn't get his pro bowl bonus because Manning, Rivers, and Brady don't want to play.
 
2012-05-30 09:37:51 PM  

bhcompy: Look, if you want to make the Pro Bowl kind of cool, make it a flag/touch football game.


AGREED. Players would also probably like it a lot more. It's not a serious game anyways so why not just make it a chance for the players to have fun and goof around?

This and a skill competition too. I'd totally watch both.
 
2012-05-30 10:07:50 PM  

9beers: Shaggy_C: skills competition

That would be a lot more fun to watch.


I used to love the old Saturday morning QB Challenge shows. They could do this but with all the positions.
 
2012-05-30 10:12:15 PM  

TheUltimateFunctor: This and a skill competition too. I'd totally watch both.


This is a really good idea.
 
2012-05-30 10:34:48 PM  

stevie1der: I'd think the Players union would fight pretty hard to keep the game as is, because all the players that opt not to play due to injury or fatigue basically at least doubles everyone who gets to put pro bowler next to their name. If all they do is announce a theoretical pro bowl roster, then David Gerrard doesn't get his pro bowl bonus because Manning, Rivers, and Brady don't want to play.


This too is a huge part of it... the idea of still voting for "Pro Bowl" teams but not playing the game was floated I am pretty sure, but, the union has about 25-35 players probably each year that would lose out on pro bowl bonuses because they get "in" because of the "real" pro bowler guys not going.

It is kind of a "cheat" of the system, but, one the players obviously don't want to lose.
 
2012-05-30 10:41:24 PM  
Want to make it interesting? Ask yourself: What would Bud Selig do?...

The following season, give home field for the Super Bowl to the team of the conference that won the Pro Bowl.
 
2012-05-30 11:09:41 PM  

Mr. Potatoass: Want to make it interesting? Ask yourself: What would Bud Selig do?...

The following season, give home field for the Super Bowl to the team of the conference that won the Pro Bowl.


That doesn't work considering every Super Bowl site is a neutral field.
 
2012-05-30 11:10:38 PM  
Eh, I still won't watch it.
 
2012-05-30 11:23:26 PM  
Remember the NFL?

Yeah, me neither.

i.imgur.com

You're still here? It's over. Go home...go.
 
2012-05-30 11:25:40 PM  
I generally like the Pro Bowl, but it would be better after the Superb Owl.
 
2012-05-30 11:30:16 PM  
Boooooo! >:-(
 
2012-05-30 11:40:17 PM  

lerxst2112: Mr. Potatoass: Want to make it interesting? Ask yourself: What would Bud Selig do?...

The following season, give home field for the Super Bowl to the team of the conference that won the Pro Bowl.

That doesn't work considering every Super Bowl site is a neutral field.


I believe you missed the premise (however unlikely) of my post.

Change the "neutral field" requirement. The Pro Bowl automatically becomes relevant.
 
mjg
2012-05-31 12:01:01 AM  
Just make it a ProAm game, with the top college picks playing against/with NFL players.

/something like that
 
2012-05-31 12:21:35 AM  
This is the game that should be played overseas with high incentives for the winnersa and penalties for the losers
Winners get $1 Million each
Losers are demoted to Monster Island and get a 1-game suspension the first game the following season, including players who decline or are "injured."
/Yes I'm ridiculous. Why?
 
2012-05-31 12:41:53 AM  
I think the Pro Bowl should replace the last preseason game of the following season. Fans don't pay attention to the preseason now, and the players think the preseason should be shorter than it is. But if, instead of the final preseason game, it would be the pro bowl, based on fan votes from the previous season, it would get fans hyped up for the upcoming season. And with a financial incentive, it would give the players a nice boost to start their new season, so they'd put in a little extra effort. Top draft picks could even get in on the action.

This could be a great way to infuse some energy into the season. The best veterans from the previous year, combined with the hottest prospects coming out of college that nobody's really seen yet. I think it would make it a good preview to each NFL season. I'd watch that, and I haven't watched a pro bowl in I don't know how long.
 
2012-05-31 12:47:08 AM  

dletter: Two reasons:

1. Players want the trip

2. For January's game, TV ratings were strong, with 12.5 million viewers, making the Pro Bowl the most watched of all all-star games for the 2011 season, but the lack of intensity drew criticism from all sides.

As much as Goddell and some owners think the game is "crap"... it is hard to throw away a game that gets 12.5 million viewers, which is better than all other sporting events last year except for the major sports championship level games (NBA Finals, World Series, BCS Games, NCAA Final Four).

If fans truly think the game is crap... then don't watch it, and they'll pull it when it gets 4 million viewers. Honestly, Goddell would probably secretly love that.


For most people the Super Bowl isnt a celebration of football champions but a funeral of a late summer and fall gone by. Its the last competitive game after the local high school championships and all the BCS games have been played. 17+ weeks of Skip Bayless, Wilbon, and the local yokels on sports talk radio. Theyve suffered through the first few weeks of the season when its probably too hot and the players are too rusty to the crescendo of the sharp play and hard hits of the playoffs and finally the Super Bowl. The Pro Bowl is like the last time you have ex sex with your GF just to bid her farewell and its the best sex youve ever had because your so angry. They dont watch because its entertaining. Its because they dont want it to end.
 
2012-05-31 12:48:36 AM  

HawgWild: The Pro Bowl should be AFTER the Super Bowl, dammit!


You mean you don't want to watch an all-star game with no stars from the two best teams in the sport?

/ now you're just being silly
 
2012-05-31 01:27:08 AM  

Mr. Potatoass: Change the "neutral field" requiremen


The logistics of the Super Bowl would make it tricky also, the NFL doesn't want to risk a Super Bowl in Green Bay or Buffalo.
 
2012-05-31 01:39:50 AM  
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2012-05-31 01:47:10 AM  
Yeah, you don't get the Super Bowl as such a massive event if you don't know the location until weeks before it happens. They aren't promoting the Pro Bowl at the expense of their biggest day of the year.
 
2012-05-31 01:47:35 AM  
Can they bring back the QB Challenge? RB Sprint? You know, All Star side events to make it...interesting?
 
2012-05-31 02:19:04 AM  

WhyteRaven74: Mr. Potatoass: Change the "neutral field" requiremen

The logistics of the Super Bowl would make it tricky also, the NFL doesn't want to risk a Super Bowl in Green Bay or Buffalo.


What risk? If the NFL really gave a shiat about the fans, they would have the Super Bowl in GB, Buffalo, Chicago, Cleveland, or anywhere.
TV ratings wouldn't suffer. Hell, who wouldn't tune in to see if Buffalo could win a Super Bowl at home?
After a conference title game, 2 weeks is plenty of time for the media, the hookers, the bookies, and the like to converge on any city in North America. Not enough hotel rooms? Tough shiat. Rent a motor-home.
 
2012-05-31 02:46:31 AM  
The agreement seems to have been 'Fine, you can have your trip to Hawaii, but you'd better start farking tackling each other or at least do something that indicates you give half a damn'.
 
2012-05-31 03:14:16 AM  
the highlight of this year's pro bowl was Drew Brees trying to make a field goal. He missed terribly but it was fun to watch
 
2012-05-31 05:01:23 AM  
If I were given total control over the Pro Bowl, I'd make player selection based on a combination of on-field performance and fan and player voting. I'd have it one week before the SB and everybody except the two SB teams would be eligible. I'd try and make it as full-contact as reasonable for a game where the offense is at a huge disadvantage having not worked together. I'd pay each player on the winning team $100,000 and each player on the losing team $50,000, plus give the winners a nice ring. Make it more like a real game while still letting fans see their favorite players one last time.
 
2012-05-31 06:12:36 AM  

Harry_Seldon: I generally like the Pro Bowl, but it would be better after the Superb Owl.


Somebody hangs out on 4chan.
 
2012-05-31 06:40:58 AM  

TheManofPA: 9beers: Shaggy_C: skills competition

That would be a lot more fun to watch.

I used to love the old Saturday morning QB Challenge shows. They could do this but with all the positions.


Next up on All-Star Challenge, the Baltimore Ravens safeties attempt to tackle a greased and coked up Lindsay Lohan.
 
2012-05-31 08:45:26 AM  

MAYORBOB: Is there any sporting event more irrelevant than the freaking Pro Bowl? How about the NBA All Star game? How about the NHL Winter Classic? How about the continual left turns that is NASCAR?


did you just say the Winter Classic is irrelevant?
 
2012-05-31 09:31:45 AM  

Nana's Vibrator: This is the game that should be played overseas with high incentives for the winnersa and penalties for the losers
Winners get $1 Million each
Losers are demoted to Monster Island and get a 1-game suspension the first game the following season, including players who decline or are "injured."
/Yes I'm ridiculous. Why?


Because Monster Island is really a peninsula.
 
2012-05-31 09:32:02 AM  

Mr. Potatoass: I believe you missed the premise (however unlikely) of my post.

Change the "neutral field" requirement. The Pro Bowl automatically becomes relevant.


I don't think that would work in the NFL. As of right now, due to the sheer magnitude of the Super Bowl and the preparation required (stadium renovations, etc.), the Super Bowl venue is chosen 4-5 years in advance (Phoenix was awarded the 2015 Super Bowl in October 2011). With your proposal, you would have a week to get everything ready in the home team's city and stadium. The NFL would never agree to such a protracted schedule.

Plus, I think having a neutral site for the Super Bowl is a good thing. Unlike other sports (mainly MLB because this is how they award home field advantage) where you have an entire series to offset the home team advantage, football just has a single game. Personally, I wouldn't want the fate of the Super Bowl location to be contingent on the results of an exhibition game, especially since, as logic dictates, the best players wouldn't be able to play, since they would have other, playoff-related conflicts.
 
2012-05-31 09:44:30 AM  

Shaggy_C: The players just want a free vacation and a chance to rub elbows with the other "best of the best", can you really blame them? I wouldn't mind if they did away with the game itself and replaced it with a skills competition and maybe a flag football game where the players have to swap offense and defense. "Look, Tom Brady is setting up as the Free Safety for the AFC!" Don't bother with the pretense of real competition and it's a lot more fun for everybody.


I like the cut of your jib, good sir.
 
2012-05-31 09:48:56 AM  

Mr. Potatoass: TV ratings wouldn't suffer. Hell, who wouldn't tune in to see if Buffalo could win a Super Bowl at home?
After a conference title game, 2 weeks is plenty of time for the media, the hookers, the bookies, and the like to converge on any city in North America. Not enough hotel rooms? Tough shiat. Rent a motor-home.


You sound like someone who has never tried to put on an event anywhere near the size of a preseason football game, much less a Super Bowl. The longer the lead time you have, the more in advance people can plan for it, and the more the media and everyone loves you. Having to scramble to make flight plans for a locale that doesn't have enough to support what the Super Bowl festivities have become isn't going to make anyone happy.

And when your broadcasters ain't happy, no one's happy.
 
2012-05-31 09:56:29 AM  
The Hawaii trip was a nice incentive a few decades ago, but now most pro bowl caliber players can afford the trip themselves.

The NFL wants to expand the brand as much as possible worldwide, wouldn't the Pro Bowl be the best opportunity? Send the best players in the leagueto play in London, Tokyo, Mexico City, Berlin, Shanghai, wherever they want to drum up enthusiasm the week before the Super Bowl (I like the idea of making it the NFL season's penultimate game, that helps the SB seem like more of a season ending blowout party). The players still get a trip somewhere interesting AND it can replace the in-season foreign game. That way no team is robbed of a true home game when it could matter.
 
2012-05-31 10:05:42 AM  
Probowl is pointless outside of giving recognition to players who were outstanding that season. The teams don't take it seriously, everything about the gameplay is lazy, slow and boring. They moved it to before the superbowl so you are guaranteed that some players will not show.

They need something to play for. Give the game a point. For example, whichever side wins, they get another 7th round pick, extra cap room, another home field game, monetary bonus for the winner (nothing for the loser) etc...
 
2012-05-31 10:12:30 AM  
You guys do know that Pro Bowl winners make more than the losers, right?
 
2012-05-31 11:21:11 AM  
I've got a simple answer. You know those Pro Bowl bonuses in player contracts? Pay the losers half of theirs, and the winners 1.5 times theirs.
 
2012-05-31 11:37:56 AM  
They need to add you do not get an official: "Pro Bowl Selection, 2012" if you do not show up for the game.*

*exception for players playing in das Super Bowl.
 
2012-05-31 11:48:56 AM  

mjg: Just make it a ProAm game, with the top college picks playing against/with NFL players.

/something like that


We can title it the "ProAm Bowl, or How to murder next year's draft class for money".

I vote for a skills competition as well.
 
2012-05-31 11:58:23 AM  

IAmRight: Mr. Potatoass: TV ratings wouldn't suffer. Hell, who wouldn't tune in to see if Buffalo could win a Super Bowl at home?
After a conference title game, 2 weeks is plenty of time for the media, the hookers, the bookies, and the like to converge on any city in North America. Not enough hotel rooms? Tough shiat. Rent a motor-home.

You sound like someone who has never tried to put on an event anywhere near the size of a preseason football game, much less a Super Bowl. The longer the lead time you have, the more in advance people can plan for it, and the more the media and everyone loves you. Having to scramble to make flight plans for a locale that doesn't have enough to support what the Super Bowl festivities have become isn't going to make anyone happy.

And when your broadcasters ain't happy, no one's happy.


Remember when Jacksonville hosted the Super Bowl? It was a train wreck, and that was with YEARS to prepare. Imagine what would happen if Buffalo or Green Bay had to do that with less than a month's notice.
 
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