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2012-05-31 03:10:35 AM

intelligent comment below: ThomasHayden: You wanna learn why Capitalism makes sense? read some Smith

Not so fast. Adam Smith believed in high taxes on the rich, social safety nets, and many other things his so-called followers today view as Socialism.


This. People often seem to invoke Smith with a highly selective reading of his works. Kinda like the bible.
 
2012-05-31 03:54:08 AM
Maybe it's just me but I see a lot of trees in the "West Oakland" picture. But most of them are very small. So either the trees are very young or they're not receiving proper care. Now, I'm no botanist, but I do know that if you put water on plants, they grow.
 
2012-05-31 04:07:24 AM
But, but, but, you guys! YOU GUYS:

"De Chant has collected images from four U.S. cities and two international cities, and in every one, the wealthier areas are conspicuously more leafy."

IN

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CITIES
 
2012-05-31 05:25:32 AM
Heh, some people think he's serious.

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2012-05-31 05:38:34 AM

skwerl: I cut trees for a living and I can testify that the assertions in the article are true. But it is a symptom of people's mindset. People in poor neighborhoods tend to hate trees and just want them whacked away from their house. The hacking wounds the trees and creates structural problems later as the trees continue to grow. So they cut the trees down. Poor people don't want trees because they think trees are bad and dangerous. Many rich people think this way also, but some of them can be educated (and afford) about proper pruning instead of just hacking off any limb pointing toward the house. Rich people can also afford to plant decent trees instead of just letting whatever weeds sprout in the yard turn into big weed trees because nobody mowed them down.



I've seen this phenomenon, too, especially in older neighborhoods which were previously "nice" (aka well-landscaped with lots of trees) which have since become run-down. People will not only fail to take care of or remove the trees on their own property, but will deliberately spike and kill trees on the street so as not to have to sweep up leaves. They also see them as a threat to expensive and therefore difficult-to-replace property. (cars, awnings, etc)


If the city plants new, young trees, kids will kick them down, often with their parents' encouragement. Because nothing says "nice place to live" like half of a broken sapling. :/
 
2012-05-31 08:17:26 AM

clowncar on fire: There is paper socialism and there is reality. It is the human condition to feel that working harder should get you more rewards.

Working harder does not necessarily mean physical exersion- it can also mean value added or perceived vale added, efficiency etc. You can push farkin' hard on a wall and get nothing of value done, you can sit on your butt and lean on a lever and move mountains with the same amount of energy. Socialism assumes we all feel we've exerted the same amount of energy and want to reap the same rewards. The reality is we each apply our efforts invarying degrees and accomplish different amounts of value and would like to be appropriately rewarded for such.


There's also the Rock Star effect. People with extraordinary talents are wanted by a lot of different, competing groups and know they can negotiate a better reward from one group than from another. They're not equal, because of some extraordinary talent or attribute, and they know it.

And they're willing to move between groups to get the best deal, so they're going to get that special treatment. The Soviet Union tried putting up the Iron Curtain, and all it did was make them look like a bunch of bastards. Now the US is trying the same thing with Chuck Schumer's Electric Fence and it's not going to stop talented people from leaving the US because of our draconian tax laws. All it's going to do is make us look like a bunch of assholes.
 
2012-05-31 08:35:22 AM
It's not the rich folks fault that poor people don't care about their surroundings. Crackheads never made good gardeners any ways.
 
2012-05-31 08:43:09 AM

imprimere: Your glasses are rosy indeed. If the global equilibrium you speak of is remotely approached, you will definitely see an empire collapse. You idealistic vision would have to include a social maturity that mankind just has not demonstrated it is capable of. (Hint: as "occupy movements" popped up around the world, who paid attention?)


This.

However, he's sortof right about part of that. Class warfare--actual warfare--goes back through Ancient Greece and is a repeating theme throughout Western history. To a certain extent, even if you remember history, you're doomed to repeat it--because so many stupid farks around you will forget its lessons.

The whole reason "old money" favors understated wealth as "elegance" is because it's a good survival strategy, if you're obscenely wealthy, not to flaunt you're wealth in the faces of the desperately poor. The reasons for noblesse oblige and philanthropy, gently done, are the same--to make your presence as someone with excess resources and excess time seem like a net benefit to your impoverished neighbors.

It comes down to, your impoverished neighbors don't resent you as much if your wealth is buying you security and a bit of comfort instead of a dissolute, wastrel lifestyle.

Old money takes care not to piss off the villagers with pitchforks and torches.

Except in the case of capital "R" Royalty, or similar, where being ostentatious has been carefully cultivated as part of the job---and you see how very, very careful Queen Elizabeth and her forebears have been to maintain a code of showing up for ribbon cuttings and lending their name and face to charitable causes. She's a mascot and she knows it, like FSU's Chief Osceola.

She's the ultimate in high-class mascots. As high-end as it gets. But she's a mascot. A living representative of "Our Team" for her Kingdom. She's the kind of rich person who's the exception to the rule about being ostentatious because it's her job. But when she's not at a ceremonial function where she's specifically supposed to be wearing ostentatious regalia--she's back to the understated elegance of dowdy dresses, hats, and matching bags.

All these old money social rules are designed with one thing in mind--enjoy the wealth while remaining protected from villagers with torches and pitchforks.

Even the hazing of nouveau riche and making it so hard to get into the club serves the purpose. It forces the nouveau riche to jump through the social hoops learning to conform. They may never understand the reason for the rules, or agree with the rules, but they will damned well bow to the social pressure to follow the rules---or they won't get invited to the right kinds of social engagements in the right kinds of circles where some of the more interesting business deals are on the table.

The class warfare dynamic doesn't force the system inevitably to one final extreme, but it has shaped the system into what it is.
 
2012-05-31 08:55:56 AM

imprimere: mat catastrophe: gerrymander: mat catastrophe: cirby: mat catastrophe:
You left out grocery stores. "Food deserts" are the next big concern, you know.

Nope - the "food desert" trope has already been shot down. A lot of those breathless news articles about them managed to miss the actual grocery stores that really did exist in those places they never got around to visiting.

Basically, a handful of writers created the meme, looked around, didn't see a Whole Foods store in their local slums, and decided that the residents of those places couldn't get decent fresh veggies - while ignoring the area Wal-Marts and Winn-Dixies, as well as small local grocery stores.

While I already know that you probably got this from American "Thinker", I'll go ahead and ask you to provide a link to relevant information.

Here you go -- straight from the New York Times. Try not to blow too large a gasket over the idea that sometimes the "received wisdom", isn't.

The New York Times is a well known mouthpiece for the Communist Party in the United States. I see no reason to believe a single word they print.

Does that mean you see a need to ignore the obvious? You could easily research this for yourself. Or does it not count unless it comes from your trusted and slanted source?


The only valid information is what is released by our Lord and Savior, Barack Obama. All other sources are communistic and unamerican.

Why can't you sheeple see that?
 
2012-05-31 09:19:37 AM

TotallyHeadless: West Oakland is as much industrial as it is residential. Piedmont is purely residential and in the hills. Of course it will look different.


I lived for a couple years in West Oakland (the awesome loft was not worth it. Oakland sucks). New trees were constantly planted, and then constantly vandalized by the local thugs. They have no interest in improving their living situation. Such a waste. Any kind of improvements were immediately destroyed. Fark them, make them go live in a desert or somewhere with nothing to ruin, and let the neighborhoods in potentially nice areas be lived in and improved by people that will keep them up.
 
2012-05-31 10:01:57 AM
You all completely missed the point. What the writer was saying is that all rich people are shady.

Duh.
 
2012-05-31 10:22:43 AM

Explodo: Personal landscaping is one thing. Rich neighborhoods also get way more parks and trails, even though those things are financed by the city. Here in Denver houses over $500,000 get really nice parks, ponds, and trails. Houses that are only $250,000 get very little. A postage stamp park here and there where law requires a drainage hole.


I think you have your causal chain reversed. But don't let that stop you from being angry at the way the world works.
 
2012-05-31 11:20:28 AM

fusillade762: Remind me again which party it is that has a conniption over contraception and wants to make abortion illegal?


The same party that strives to keep guns legal so you can keep having your delayed post-birth abortions. The same party that wants people to learn to keep their private parts private, rather than spreading then as well as disease every place they can. Abortion and contraception are merely tools for avoiding responsibility for indiscriminant farking like animals. Not that I disagree with either one, but I do think their application is discriminatory. I happen to believe that an abortion should occur if either parent desires one. As it is right now, only the woman has the right to act upon buyer's remorse.
 
2012-05-31 12:22:03 PM
mat catastrophe 2012-05-31 08:55:56 AM

imprimere: mat catastrophe: gerrymander: mat catastrophe: cirby: mat catastrophe:

The New York Times is a well known mouthpiece for the Communist Party in the United States. I see no reason to believe a single word they print.

Does that mean you see a need to ignore the obvious? You could easily research this for yourself. Or does it not count unless it comes from your trusted and slanted source?

The only valid information is what is released by our Lord and Savior, Barack OBZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ


Stop forcing kitty to blow a big rig horn in your left ear. You dummy.
 
2012-05-31 12:38:01 PM
Seen from space, my big toe.

Seen from a Plane (kinda)
Seen from a helicopter, sure
 
2012-05-31 12:45:44 PM
This is why they can't have nice things.
 
2012-05-31 12:52:14 PM

Kittypie070: mat catastrophe 2012-05-31 08:55:56 AM

imprimere: mat catastrophe: gerrymander: mat catastrophe: cirby: mat catastrophe:

The New York Times is a well known mouthpiece for the Communist Party in the United States. I see no reason to believe a single word they print.

Does that mean you see a need to ignore the obvious? You could easily research this for yourself. Or does it not count unless it comes from your trusted and slanted source?

The only valid information is what is released by our Lord and Savior, Barack OBZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

Stop forcing kitty to blow a big rig horn in your left ear. You dummy.


It's not my fault you people are so easily trolled. I've been yanking the chain since my Boobies. Note how "food desert" was in those "quotation marks"?
 
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