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(Joystiq)   Korean government Zerg rushes Blizzard's Seoul office   (massively.joystiq.com) divider line 114
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2012-05-30 06:11:15 PM  
Should have built more pylons.
 
2012-05-30 06:12:00 PM  
Legal, yes. Dick move, also yes.

Alienate your most devoted market. Good job, Blizz!
 
2012-05-30 06:12:17 PM  
Actually, they required more overlords.
 
2012-05-30 06:15:45 PM  
Live for the swarm
 
2012-05-30 06:17:06 PM  

BumpInTheNight: Should have built more pylons.


Skanque: Actually, they required more overlords.


Sounds to me like Blizzard's servers could use a little more Vespene Gas.
 
2012-05-30 06:17:42 PM  
Couldn't have happened to a nicer company.


/sarcasm
 
2012-05-30 06:18:57 PM  
You forgot to say kekeke
 
2012-05-30 06:20:24 PM  
Hilarious.
 
2012-05-30 06:21:58 PM  
Good job, FTC. Although in a raid you're generally trying to catch something or someone before it's relocated/destroyed, right? What could the Blizzard offices possibly have that the FTC would want?
 
2012-05-30 06:22:40 PM  

SweetSilverBlues: Legal, yes. Dick move, also yes.

Alienate your most devoted market. Good job, Blizz!


Not necessarily legal. You can't legally enter into a contract if you can not or have intentions to not fulfil your obligations.

In the US 'real murkins' like to pretend they are too awesome to agree to a contract like those and those nerds deserve it for playing a kids game.

Korea on the other hand takes SC very seriously.
 
2012-05-30 06:24:20 PM  
I'm no Blizz fanboy but I'm willing to admit that I've played, and enjoyed, every Blizz game since WC2. It's rather shameful how this company has handled the release of Diablo 3. Like they had no clue what so ever that it was going to be an absolutely huge game.
 
2012-05-30 06:24:43 PM  

tortilla burger: Good job, FTC. Although in a raid you're generally trying to catch something or someone before it's relocated/destroyed, right? What could the Blizzard offices possibly have that the FTC would want?


Emails, records, decisions that show they knew there would be issues. Sometimes it's just the government slapping a biatch as a show of dominance.
 
2012-05-30 06:27:01 PM  
I really hope more companies get hit for these 'we agree to take your money and maybe let you access a server' contracts.

There is no risk for them atm.
 
2012-05-30 06:36:49 PM  

kim jong-un: I really hope more companies get hit for these 'we agree to take your money and maybe let you access a server' contracts.

There is no risk for them atm.


Fark Blizz for requiring Diablo to connect to a server when its supposed to be a one player game. I like the multiplayer aspect, don't get me wrong.... just kinda dick move
 
2012-05-30 06:42:08 PM  

RoosterCogburn: Fark Blizz for requiring Diablo to connect to a server when its supposed to be a one player game. I like the multiplayer aspect, don't get me wrong.... just kinda dick move


And that crap has become more common. There's been a few games over the years that have required online connection EVERY TIME you launch it even if there wasn't even a multiplayer mode to start with.
 
2012-05-30 06:44:15 PM  
RoosterCogburn: Fark Blizz for requiring Diablo to connect to a server when its supposed to be a one player game. I like the multiplayer aspect, don't get me wrong.... just kinda dick move

Steam called about your outrage. They said they would like you to direct it to around 2004.

/seriously. Steam pisses me off. Won't buy any game that uses it anymore.
 
2012-05-30 06:48:13 PM  

BronyMedic: RoosterCogburn: Fark Blizz for requiring Diablo to connect to a server when its supposed to be a one player game. I like the multiplayer aspect, don't get me wrong.... just kinda dick move

Steam called about your outrage. They said they would like you to direct it to around 2004.

/seriously. Steam pisses me off. Won't buy any game that uses it anymore.


pirated games get around Steam.
 
2012-05-30 06:49:17 PM  

RoosterCogburn: kim jong-un: I really hope more companies get hit for these 'we agree to take your money and maybe let you access a server' contracts.

There is no risk for them atm.

Fark Blizz for requiring Diablo to connect to a server when its supposed to be a one player game. I like the multiplayer aspect, don't get me wrong.... just kinda dick move


Diablo 2 wasn't even a one player game. They tried to balance Hell difficulty around the assumption that you had other players w/ you (elemental/physical immunities.) The fact that they failed miserably in that regard (Hammerdins, take a bow) is beside the point. Sure, they had offline mode (b/c B.net's stability was even WORSE back then,) and that ended up biting them in the ass (Stone of Jordan dupe anyone?) Diablo 2 and Diablo 3 were never designed to be a single player game first and foremost. Hell, they give you an AI mercenary in both games b/c they don't want you to go totally solo.

As for this, Euro and US customers got full refunds promptly. Dunno what the problem in Korea is. Considering the cock up at the Korean ratings board last year, I trust government bureaucrats even less than Blizzard cronies.
 
2012-05-30 06:51:17 PM  

kim jong-un: I really hope more companies get hit for these 'we agree to take your money and maybe let you access a server' contracts.

There is no risk for them atm.


All big-developer games will use this model, starting with the next-gen consoles. Plus the license you pay for will have an expiration date.

According to them, you haven't actually owned any software for a long time now.
 
2012-05-30 06:52:04 PM  
If you play online games to any degree, especially those that are hosted, and as massive as these, and get your panties in a wad to the point of demanding your money back over downtime on zero day, you're an idiot.

/Have fun storm'in the castle boys...
 
2012-05-30 06:56:58 PM  

Drakuun: If you play online games to any degree, especially those that are hosted, and as massive as these, and get your panties in a wad to the point of demanding your money back over downtime on zero day, you're an idiot.

/Have fun storm'in the castle boys...


They deliberately crippled the software to prevent people from utilizing the product they had just paid 60+ bucks for. They had a decade to prepare for launch, why should the players themselves be expecting it to fail? Were I stupid enough to still give Blizzard money, I would have wanted a refund as well. If they can't manage to run a massively anticipated game on day one, why would I expect any better behavior further down the line?
 
2012-05-30 06:57:22 PM  

BronyMedic: Steam pisses me off. Won't buy any game that uses it anymore.


That makes me sad. But to each their own, and I sincerely hope there are at least some PC games you can enjoy. Most of their games are ancient, but have you been to gog.com?
 
2012-05-30 06:57:28 PM  
Korean Zerg rushes are srs business.
 
2012-05-30 07:03:51 PM  
Don't kill the wolves.
 
2012-05-30 07:08:23 PM  
Revenge for that whole "pay us for airing SC e-sports coverage" debacle?
 
2012-05-30 07:09:23 PM  
Good.

Bad DRM is bad.

Hopefully it puts some sort of dent in their wallets.
 
2012-05-30 07:11:40 PM  
I hope Blizzard gets taken down a few notches, they've gotten too big for their britches lately.
 
2012-05-30 07:12:18 PM  
Go on South Korea, bite the hand that gives you your only competitive sport.
 
2012-05-30 07:20:51 PM  

RoosterCogburn: kim jong-un: I really hope more companies get hit for these 'we agree to take your money and maybe let you access a server' contracts.

There is no risk for them atm.

Fark Blizz for requiring Diablo to connect to a server when its supposed to be a one player game. I like the multiplayer aspect, don't get me wrong.... just kinda dick move


This. I remember when D3 was in beta, someone made a server emulator to play it offline. I wonder if someone's working on it for the full game...
 
2012-05-30 07:20:57 PM  

Drakuun: If you play online games to any degree, especially those that are hosted, and as massive as these, and get your panties in a wad to the point of demanding your money back over downtime on zero day, you're an idiot.

/Have fun storm'in the castle boys...


Well I guess your insult includes me then, because I certainly think billions of dollars poured into a product from a company that is well versed on the failures of a bad launch model heralds no tears lost from me.

BlizzardVision is being a bunch of assholes, and it is the mentality of the gaming/entertainment industry that is plummeting the business into the shiatter. Years of production, beta testing, stress testing, battle.net operation should have prepared the company for a somewhat smooth launch. Instead people spend a lot of money (sorry Mr. Moneybags, but to most of the player base, it is a LOT of money), for this steaming pile of crap.

Companies that do this need to be nailed to the farking floor, and if you do not see the evil in how this corporation is doing business, than you deserve to be taken advantage of. Let's run down the list shall we?

1. Don't promote a product as local/singleplayer if you have to log onto a remote server to play. The game should be clearly labeled as a "hosted game" or some other shiat.
2. Beta testing IS FOR TESTING, not promoting your product. Let's let actual testers play the game and report bugs and etc. instead of fanbois that just want to scream FIRST on the blizzard forums. Maybe some actual unbiased feedback might make for a better product?
3. Speaking of unbiased feedback, perhaps we should hold "journalists" accountable for paid reviews that essentially are just advertisements.
4. If you Fark up - own it, admit it, and move on. Maybe treat your customers with a little more respect than, lies, avoidance and other various douchebaggery.
5. IF YOU DO NOT PROVIDE THE WORKING PRODUCT AS DESIGNED AND MARKETED, THEN FARK YOU AND GIVE ME MY MONEY BACK!

/Oh, and I have not bought this game yet.
 
Juc
2012-05-30 07:27:40 PM  

divx88: Good.

Bad DRM is bad.

Hopefully it puts some sort of dent in their wallets.


Well I know I won't be buying diablo 3.
I maybe could tolerate it if everything worked peachily all the time, but with the BS happening over the last while, I gotta say, my meager funds will go to torchlight 2 instead.
 
2012-05-30 07:28:39 PM  
Blizzard only has one office?
 
2012-05-30 07:31:03 PM  

The_Time_Master: BronyMedic: RoosterCogburn: Fark Blizz for requiring Diablo to connect to a server when its supposed to be a one player game. I like the multiplayer aspect, don't get me wrong.... just kinda dick move

Steam called about your outrage. They said they would like you to direct it to around 2004.

/seriously. Steam pisses me off. Won't buy any game that uses it anymore.

pirated games get around Steam.


Pirated games are why I can't (won't) buy Ubisoft products anymore. :(

/I really liked the silent hunter series too
//farking douchebag over-reaching DRM policies
///steam at least lets you play them offline for a while incase you can't afford your internet connection that month
 
2012-05-30 07:32:07 PM  
I find it hard to believe that anyone pitched a bigger fit than the North Americans that bought the annual WoW pass, which gives you D3 for free. I logged onto battle.net for the first time in years just to read the rage-filled entitled rants threatening legal action or worse if they didn't get access immediately.

It was glorious!
 
2012-05-30 07:35:47 PM  

EvilAvatar: 1. Don't promote a product as local/singleplayer if you have to log onto a remote server to play. The game should be clearly labeled as a "hosted game" or some other shiat.


It can be played one player, but the intention is always that your character is stored remotely.

2. Beta testing IS FOR TESTING, not promoting your product. Let's let actual testers play the game and report bugs and etc. instead of fanbois that just want to scream FIRST on the blizzard forums. Maybe some actual unbiased feedback might make for a better product?

You just don't know what players will find/notice/exploit until you get it into the general public. Players treat Beta Realm toons much much differently then they do live toons. Blizzard has tons of testing, but you just can't figure out everything until people get their hands on it.

3. Speaking of unbiased feedback, perhaps we should hold "journalists" accountable for paid reviews that essentially are just advertisements.

How is Blizz supposed to control journalists?

4. If you Fark up - own it, admit it, and move on. Maybe treat your customers with a little more respect than, lies, avoidance and other various douchebaggery.

What have they farked up? The Day One launch took a few hours to iron out a server issue? Please.

5. IF YOU DO NOT PROVIDE THE WORKING PRODUCT AS DESIGNED AND MARKETED, THEN FARK YOU AND GIVE ME MY MONEY BACK!

They did for a lot of customers if they asked like adults and not screaming, caps-lock obsessed schmucks like yourself.

/I consider the game free, as I was going to pay for a year of WoW anyway, and the game is a very fun change of pace from WoW.
 
2012-05-30 07:36:46 PM  

EvilAvatar: 2. Beta testing IS FOR TESTING, not promoting your product. Let's let actual testers play the game and report bugs and etc. instead of fanbois that just want to scream FIRST on the blizzard forums. Maybe some actual unbiased feedback might make for a better product?


Then it wouldn't be beta testing any more. I've got no love for Activision or Blizzard, but at least try to rage competently:

Alpha testing

Alpha testing is simulated or actual operational testing by potential users/customers or an independent test team at the developers' site. Alpha testing is often employed for off-the-shelf software as a form of internal acceptance testing, before the software goes to beta testing.[33]

Beta testing

Beta testing comes after alpha testing and can be considered a form of external user acceptance testing. Versions of the software, known as beta versions, are released to a limited audience outside of the programming team. The software is released to groups of people so that further testing can ensure the product has few faults or bugs.


Also, open beta, closed beta, etc. These are hardly unique to Activision/Blizzard or even to the gaming segment of the software industry.

/from wiki
//because I am lazy
 
2012-05-30 07:41:21 PM  

LeafyGreens: I find it hard to believe that anyone pitched a bigger fit than the North Americans that bought the annual WoW pass, which gives you D3 for free. I logged onto battle.net for the first time in years just to read the rage-filled entitled rants threatening legal action or worse if they didn't get access immediately.

It was glorious!


It was. These kids don't seem to remember what playing online games means. I remember trying to set up TCP/IP settings to play Bolo over modem on BBS services. This was a dream. Servers overloaded on launch day with an easily readable error? God that woulda been HEAVEN back then.
 
2012-05-30 07:41:37 PM  

LeafyGreens: I find it hard to believe that anyone pitched a bigger fit than the North Americans that bought the annual WoW pass, which gives you D3 for free. I logged onto battle.net for the first time in years just to read the rage-filled entitled rants threatening legal action or worse if they didn't get access immediately.

It was glorious!


Imagine you're starving, mr. pizza guy comes to the door and you get your pizza and he leaves ... only you can't open the pizza box because mr. pizza man didn't remove the lock. Plus they're closed now and aren't going to send mr. pizza guy back out to unlock your pizza box so you can enjoy your pizza. So here you are with a pizza you can't eat and you're starving. Doesn't matter if you got a free pizza because of some other purchase you made, coupon you had, you're starving and you don't get to eat your damn pizza.

So ya I can understand why they're pissed off. DRM is stupid.
 
2012-05-30 07:45:31 PM  
Been playing since launch day, hardly any issues. I think I've been denied playing access for a total of 3-4 hours in the last 2 weeks(and a day). The horror. My biggest complaint right now is the commodities on the AH don't work, so I can't buy the Tomes of Secrets to level my Jeweler up.

Oh, and that PvP isn't in yet, but I'm still very much enjoying the normal part of the game. I can wait.
 
2012-05-30 07:45:47 PM  
For all the people talking about Steam, you DO realize it has a farking offline mode right? Once you download or install the game, you never have to connect to valve/steam DRM to play a game if you push the little button. The only time you have to connect to steam is when you want to play online. Oddly enough, this is what the majority of players wish Blizzard had done. You know, cause I might want to play my single player game when they are doing their 8 hour weekly maintenance, are having server issues, etc. Not to mention the fact that they ONLY have west coast servers, which bones those of us on the east coast.
 
2012-05-30 07:47:15 PM  
The Koreans are definitely loyal to the games, but I wouldn't say they are loyal the company (which no one should be).
The Starcraft 2 fiasco over there is proof enough that the "loyal customer" is not something of value to a large game company. More will take their place, and the process will repeat.

I only see Blizzard lifting a middle finger to these guys.

BronyMedic:
/seriously. Steam pisses me off. Won't buy any game that uses it anymore.


Didn't the patch that allowed "offline mode" go into Steam years ago?
Offline mode worked well for me, although I only really used Steam for the cheap indie games (I buy them direct now).
Do the big titles require an online connection?
 
2012-05-30 07:47:43 PM  

divx88: So ya I can understand why they're pissed off. DRM is stupid.


We've been waiting for 12 years. Two hours isn't going to kill us. Where has our patience gone?
 
2012-05-30 07:50:15 PM  

omnimancer28: single player game


As a community, we need to make it understood that there's a difference between "Single player" and "online only/requires internet connection to play".
 
2012-05-30 07:50:42 PM  

RoosterCogburn: kim jong-un: I really hope more companies get hit for these 'we agree to take your money and maybe let you access a server' contracts.

There is no risk for them atm.

Fark Blizz for requiring Diablo to connect to a server when its supposed to be a one player game. I like the multiplayer aspect, don't get me wrong.... just kinda dick move


If only they had said early on that being online was required for single player.
 
2012-05-30 07:51:20 PM  

Scruffinator: divx88: So ya I can understand why they're pissed off. DRM is stupid.

We've been waiting for 12 years. Two hours isn't going to kill us. Where has our patience gone?


I blame Duke Nukem Forever.
 
2012-05-30 07:53:23 PM  

Scruffinator: omnimancer28: single player game

As a community, we need to make it understood that there's a difference between "Single player" and "online only/requires internet connection to play".


A game can be both single player and require an internet connection to play. Would you say that Assassin's Creed is not a single-player game?
 
2012-05-30 07:53:45 PM  
Blizzard is a greedy farking company. It's most easily evidenced by their decision to include a REAL MONEY auction house. So not only do they control the flow (drop chance) of items in the game, they also get a nice cut every time an item is sold.

That's the main reason I won't buy the game. If you wanna go to 3rd party sources to buy all the best shiat to play the game, then fine. But if the actual company is promoting that, then I don't wanna be a part of it.

It removes the entire point of Diablo, which is to constantly do the same shiat over and over in hopes of getting better loot.
 
2012-05-30 07:57:07 PM  

BronyMedic: RoosterCogburn: Fark Blizz for requiring Diablo to connect to a server when its supposed to be a one player game. I like the multiplayer aspect, don't get me wrong.... just kinda dick move

Steam called about your outrage. They said they would like you to direct it to around 2004.

/seriously. Steam pisses me off. Won't buy any game that uses it anymore.


? Steam is the one company doing online "DRM" the right way. I have not had a single issue playing Steam games, connected or disconnected.

Ubisoft and Blizzard, however, have taken a boldly stupid move to make their DRM as intrusive and user-unfriendly as possible. There is no reason at all for single player games to require a connection every time you play. Even worse, when you are a company like Blizzard, which knows the customer demand and should know something about server loading, to debut the game with, apparently, a hamster-powered IBM PC-XT connected with a Hayes SmartModem to handle your customer's connections. Blizzard demonstrated one of the worst-case scenarios critics predicted would happen with "always connect" DRM.

...but the fanboys will continue to defend them, and defame Steam, which has delivered on its promise (unobtrusive DRM and cheaper game delivery), while Blizzard, a company that has milked Diablo fans with a crappy 640x480 UI for 12 years - still collecting premium game prices without making significant improvements.

Meanwhile, Torchlight 2, the real heir to the Diablo franchise (since most of the people responsible for making Diablo moved on to make Torchlight) will be coming out this summer, and I doubt there will be any major fark ups with their launch.
 
2012-05-30 08:07:29 PM  

ProfessorOhki: EvilAvatar: 2. Beta testing IS FOR TESTING, not promoting your product. Let's let actual testers play the game and report bugs and etc. instead of fanbois that just want to scream FIRST on the blizzard forums. Maybe some actual unbiased feedback might make for a better product?

Then it wouldn't be beta testing any more. I've got no love for Activision or Blizzard, but at least try to rage competently:

Alpha testing

Alpha testing is simulated or actual operational testing by potential users/customers or an independent test team at the developers' site. Alpha testing is often employed for off-the-shelf software as a form of internal acceptance testing, before the software goes to beta testing.[33]

Beta testing

Beta testing comes after alpha testing and can be considered a form of external user acceptance testing. Versions of the software, known as beta versions, are released to a limited audience outside of the programming team. The software is released to groups of people so that further testing can ensure the product has few faults or bugs.

Also, open beta, closed beta, etc. These are hardly unique to Activision/Blizzard or even to the gaming segment of the software industry.

/from wiki
//because I am lazy


What were the acceptance tests? Exploratory testing is not acceptance testing.
 
2012-05-30 08:20:16 PM  

LesserEvil: ? Steam is the one company doing online "DRM" the right way. I have not had a single issue playing Steam games, connected or disconnected.

Ubisoft and Blizzard, however, have taken a boldly stupid move to make their DRM as intrusive and user-unfriendly as possible. There is no reason at all for single player games to require a connection every time you play. Even worse, when you are a company like Blizzard, which knows the customer demand and should know something about server loading, to debut the game with, apparently, a hamster-powered IBM PC-XT connected with a Hayes SmartModem to handle your customer's connections. Blizzard demonstrated one of the worst-case scenarios critics predicted would happen with "always connect" DRM.

...but the fanboys will continue to defend them, and defame Steam, which has delivered on its promise (unobtrusive DRM and cheaper game delivery)


All kinds of this right here. I love Steam.
 
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