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(Al Jazeera)   Iran blames Israel and United States for 'Flame', expresses anger at upcoming 'Smoke,' 'Rubble' and 'Explosions'   (aljazeera.com) divider line 143
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2012-05-30 05:51:00 PM  

BronyMedic: kindms: We have the plans to attack Iran and they are ready

Which is an absurd conclusion to make. We have plans for nuclear warfare in China. We also have plans to invade Canada, and they are ready too. For some reason, I doubt we'll be invading their poutine reserves any time soon. Tim Hortons is safe from Uncle Sam marching in and demanding a double double anytime soon.


If American tanks were to roll through Ottawa, I think the anticipated response would be:

"An invasion? That's a shame. We surrender, I guess. Our response plans? Um, protest a bit, maybe. Look, it's February. It's cold. And frankly, taxes are high enough as it is, so the less you blow up, the better. Yea. So, since you're here, are you, like, looking for something or someone in particular? What? It's, um, that way. West. Follow the corn fields, look for mountains and cows. That's Alberta. The oil is in the ground nearby. Kind of like Texas, but colder, less firearms, more skiing. Your welcome. Where's the army? Oh, they're around. Probably pissed too. Well, more confused at this point, I think. They're likely sittin' tight, hoping the cold will do you in. Or just sittin' tight, period; it's goddamn cold. Op, sorry. Yea, traffic is pretty heavy. Evacuation? No, it's a Playoff night. Montreal. Game 6. Going where? Ah, you want our Head of State. He's the one in the sweatervest. He's, um, he's probably in the old but pretty looking building downtown, across from the Sparks Street Pedestrian Mall. Look for the Parliament Pub. No, he works in the Parliament Building, across from the Parliament Pub. I know, right! What? Oh, look for the flame in front of the building. The Parliament. No, those flames are supposed to be there. Ok then. You're welcome. You too.

Hey, if you're going down the 417, could ya plow the highway on your way out?"
 
2012-05-30 05:59:32 PM  
ThreadSinger: BronyMedic: kindms: We have the plans to attack Iran and they are ready

Which is an absurd conclusion to make. We have plans for nuclear warfare in China. We also have plans to invade Canada, and they are ready too. For some reason, I doubt we'll be invading their poutine reserves any time soon. Tim Hortons is safe from Uncle Sam marching in and demanding a double double anytime soon.


If American tanks were to roll through Ottawa, I think the anticipated response would be:

"An invasion? That's a shame. We surrender, I guess. Our response plans? Um, protest a bit, maybe. Look, it's February. It's cold. And frankly, taxes are high enough as it is, so the less you blow up, the better. Yea. So, since you're here, are you, like, looking for something or someone in particular? What? It's, um, that way. West. Follow the corn fields, look for mountains and cows. That's Alberta. The oil is in the ground nearby. Kind of like Texas, but colder, less firearms, more skiing. Your welcome. Where's the army? Oh, they're around. Probably pissed too. Well, more confused at this point, I think. They're likely sittin' tight, hoping the cold will do you in. Or just sittin' tight, period; it's goddamn cold. Op, sorry. Yea, traffic is pretty heavy. Evacuation? No, it's a Playoff night. Montreal. Game 6. Going where? Ah, you want our Head of State. He's the one in the sweatervest. He's, um, he's probably in the old but pretty looking building downtown, across from the Sparks Street Pedestrian Mall. Look for the Parliament Pub. No, he works in the Parliament Building, across from the Parliament Pub. I know, right! What? Oh, look for the flame in front of the building. The Parliament. No, those flames are supposed to be there. Ok then. You're welcome. You too.

Hey, if you're going down the 417, could ya plow the highway on your way out?"


It's....

It's glorious.
 
2012-05-30 06:00:07 PM  

TommyDeuce: RexTalionis: Considering Stuxnet's probable origins, I don't think that accusation is really unfounded.

From evened's link:
In summary, Flame and Stuxnet/Duqu were probably developed by two separate groups. We would position Flame as a project running parallel to Stuxnet and Duqu.

I guess that could be a different group in some sort of "cyberwar army", but it could very well be that someone used some of the basic principals of Stuxnet to develop this.


I don't think that's too surprising. Stuxnet and Flame are after completely different things. Stuxnet, as far as I know, was designed to attack certain Siemens controllerboards that Iran use for their centrifuges. Flame is a broader, more systematic means for gathering information.
 
2012-05-30 06:01:04 PM  

Madbassist1: BronyMedic: Madbassist1: Why should he? You don't source your bullshiat, why should he?

Which bullshiat is that? That the oft-circulated photo contains numerous sites which are no longer used, or were contracted from national Governments for logistical and refueling purposes? Or that we have plans to invade Canada and open up Dunkin Donuts franchises?

I'm not the one making claims that one country is responsible for everything bad happening in Iran, buddy. Extraordinary claims, extraordinary proof.

Put up, or shut up with your trolling.

So you're asking me for citations, when I havent even farking SAID anything, yet still refuse to cite your own stuff. And you call me a troll...


I'm wondering at this point if there is a government employee situated in the southern US who I won't be driven to put on ignore yet.
 
2012-05-30 06:02:44 PM  
I sometimes wonder what Israel had to bribe SkyNet with to limit its activities to Iran.
 
2012-05-30 06:04:04 PM  

Because People in power are Stupid: 32 or 64? even vista?


For general software: It's Windows. If it runs on 32-bit XP SP2, it'll almost certainly run on anything since. You don't have to do anything specific to target different versions of Windows really; the main things are make sure you don't use any APIs introduced in a later version than you want to support and make sure you don't do crap that things like DEP and ASLR stop.

The story is a bit different for malware. If you want to hook system calls and stuff, the addresses will vary depending on the version and even patch level. But you're looking at a relatively small database; I can't think of any changes which would contribute much code size at all.

Because People in power are Stupid: Again, small potatoes compared to spying on an entire country.


And I'd have said that's small potatoes compared to causing physical damages with a centrifuge.

And really, holding your hard drive ransom is not the best analogy; lots of malware out there exists to act as spambots and stuff like that, and spambots actually have a lot in common with spying. Both have an interest in staying on your computer undetected for as long as possible (unlike the hard drive case) and both have to transmit network information as a consequence of their goals. So really there's a lot out there that is somewhat comparable as far as we know what Flame does, and it's still small in comparison.

Because People in power are Stupid: Furthermore, I believe that you'd want to hide from Windows Task Manager and any other well known performance checking tools (perfmon.exe for example) or fark it -pretend that you ARE perfmon.exe.


Rootkits are tiny, or at least can be. If memory serves, you can hide from tools like that with a couple KB of code.

Because People in power are Stupid: Although I have never written any malicious software (yet) -if you provide even a little AI code to get it to spy on the right kinds of things (as opposed to all things) and even react and maneuver so that it can differentiate criteria -then you have a 20 Meg program easily.


Then that would be the interesting reason. Just like I wasn't saying that Millenium was off base, nor am I saying that there isn't some justification for it. But what that is isn't known yet; we can't really answer why it's so big. It's definitely an interesting question almost no matter what the answer.
 
2012-05-30 06:10:18 PM  

spawn73: Tatterdemalian: BronyMedic: Of course they blamed the United States.It's not jingoism to say we're that farkin' good, people.

You think that someone forgot to put the toilet seat down in Ahmadinajad's bungalo? Hell no. American Agents.
You think that street lights actually go out in Tehran? You sheep, it's the CIA.

Wasn't Stuxnet actually traced back to Russia? Of course, the Russians are supplying the nukes, so it's not like Iran can accuse them without seeing their chance of getting nukes vanish, even if Putin himself started bragging about it.

If it was Russian, do you think a Russian company would have discovered it and Flame?

That wouldn't exactly put Kaspersky Labs on Putins christmas cards list I'd think.


Yeah, it would be like an antivirus company creating viruses so people would have to buy their antivirus software! It just doesn't make any sense!
 
2012-05-30 06:46:25 PM  

Clemkadidlefark: But also, making a device that is deliverable aboard, say a ballistic missile is still a whole different league what with G-forces, the shaking and baking a rocket does at 6,000 mph ... possibly as much as 4/kms

... and lastly getting it to target and reliably having it go boom, well - boys and girls - that's big boy pants territory.


Instead of trying to develop an ICBM to deliver a warhead why not just box it up in a shipping container and ship it anywhere in the world. You deliver your warhead where you want it, and it's much harder to track in the aftermath then a missile.

Just sayin'
 
2012-05-30 06:48:01 PM  

TommyDeuce: RexTalionis: Considering Stuxnet's probable origins, I don't think that accusation is really unfounded.

From evened's link:
In summary, Flame and Stuxnet/Duqu were probably developed by two separate groups. We would position Flame as a project running parallel to Stuxnet and Duqu.

I guess that could be a different group in some sort of "cyberwar army", but it could very well be that someone used some of the basic principals of Stuxnet to develop this.

I see that Israel is on the list of infection locations - is that just targets in Palestine? Saudi Arabia is on there too. If this is American, we might have some unhappy friends over this.


Actually from what I have read, the 94 computers infected in Israel were in the West bank... which tells me that either Israel and/or the US is collecting intelligence on the religious right Jewish settlers. So I am guessing it was a joint effort.
 
2012-05-30 07:09:36 PM  

mavexe: BronyMedic: Of course they blamed the United States.It's not jingoism to say we're that farkin' good, people.

You think that someone forgot to put the toilet seat down in Ahmadinajad's bungalo? Hell no. American Agents.
You think that street lights actually go out in Tehran? You sheep, it's the CIA.

Who controls the British Crown?
Who keeps the metric system down?

We Do. We Do.


What puts the "ape" in "ape-ricot"?
What have they got that I haven't got?!
 
2012-05-30 07:50:26 PM  
Dear Iran,

Just make PDF copies of all your files and if they are corrupted use Photoshop to make them look normal.

Sincerely,
The Rest of the World.
 
2012-05-30 07:50:34 PM  

The Jami Turman Fan Club: spawn73: Tatterdemalian: BronyMedic: Of course they blamed the United States.It's not jingoism to say we're that farkin' good, people.

You think that someone forgot to put the toilet seat down in Ahmadinajad's bungalo? Hell no. American Agents.
You think that street lights actually go out in Tehran? You sheep, it's the CIA.

Wasn't Stuxnet actually traced back to Russia? Of course, the Russians are supplying the nukes, so it's not like Iran can accuse them without seeing their chance of getting nukes vanish, even if Putin himself started bragging about it.

If it was Russian, do you think a Russian company would have discovered it and Flame?

That wouldn't exactly put Kaspersky Labs on Putins christmas cards list I'd think.

Yeah, it would be like an antivirus company creating viruses so people would have to buy their antivirus software! It just doesn't make any sense!


Yes you're right, Stuxnet and Flame was created by Kaspersky Labs. fark you're a genious, why didn't we all see that.
 
2012-05-30 08:27:11 PM  
fark israel.
 
2012-05-30 08:54:28 PM  
Smugly we release code against our attacks.

Surprised we are when the use it against us.

Shocked is the average Joe who had his bank account cleaned out by crooks using the government funded code "now in the wild".

Stupid and irresponsible is the whole cold cyber war concept.
 
2012-05-30 09:01:04 PM  
Corporate Self:
Smugly we release code against our enemies.

Surprised we are when the use it against us.

Shocked is the average Joe who had his bank account cleaned out by crooks using the government funded code "now in the wild".

Stupid and irresponsible is the whole cold cyber war concept.


Damn ADH... oh a puppy!
 
2012-05-30 09:11:29 PM  

Bauer: fark israel.


Spoken like a true uneducated Nazi.
 
2012-05-30 09:21:16 PM  

peterthx: Bauer: fark israel.

Spoken like a true uneducated Nazi.


Good Godwin that is quite a leap!
 
2012-05-30 10:39:28 PM  

peterthx: Bauer: fark israel.

Spoken like a true uneducated Nazi.


They made their bed, they can sleep in it. America's not the world's babysitter, and nothing we do is going to make Israel's enemies hate them less.
 
2012-05-30 10:49:05 PM  

stevarooni: tortilla burger: A bloated piece of software that renders your computer inoperable?

It's not so much the "inoperable" they have a problem with as the keylogging and sending of screen prints.


Not 'bugs' ... 'features', dontcha know. :)
 
2012-05-30 10:54:09 PM  

BronyMedic: sp86: That site is so pussy I clicked your link and my dick started menstruating.

I'm not a Doctor or anything, but if your dick is bleeding, you might want to seek prompt medical attention....


Was going to ask Brony if he stayed at a Holiday Inn Express, then realized rhe question might also apply to sp.
 
2012-05-30 10:56:38 PM  

peterthx: Bauer: fark israel.

Spoken like a true uneducated Nazi.


The closest thing to Nazis currently is Israel. Giant concentration camp, overflowing nationalism, continual hyperbole regarding the outside threat of neighboring nations...
 
2012-05-30 11:14:55 PM  
Spent the day analyzing Flame, so I'm getting a kick.

One note: The main Trojan executable (*not a virus*) is only a bit more than 6MB, but the total size of all of its packed and downloaded payloads tips the scales at a little over 20MB.

And yes, 20MB is relatively huge because typical downloaders or password stealers like Zbot or Spyeye are usually less than a few 100KB, sometimes much less.

But this ain't a normal Trojan. It has SQLite embedded in it to mine databases; it loads an audio and camera device driver to record from those devices, if they exist on the machine; it has no fewer than five different types of crypto it uses to hide the contents of exfiltrated data; it records pcaps of network traffic then sends that elsewhere as well.

In the end though, it's just a Trojan with some rootkit capability, and now that its existence is known most AV tools probably already have signature updates for it. Interesting to analyze but not the end of the world as we know it.

Analysis here. (Clicky-pop)
 
2012-05-31 12:13:38 AM  

evaned: Because People in power are Stupid: Although I have never written any malicious software (yet) -if you provide even a little AI code to get it to spy on the right kinds of things (as opposed to all things) and even react and maneuver so that it can differentiate criteria -then you have a 20 Meg program easily.

Then that would be the interesting reason. Just like I wasn't saying that Millennium was off base, nor am I saying that there isn't some justification for it. But what that is isn't known yet; we can't really answer why it's so big. It's definitely an interesting question almost no matter what the answer.


This is the crux of my argument. I guess, developers need to get this kind of code down and it is as compact as possible. We are coming across a new technological field here: the coder:spy.This poor individual needs to make sense of his Frankenstein. If the final code for his lost bits.circled around a lost stereotype.We all sync at some low point.But, hey...then I'll be NEW AGAIN!

The terrorist flees from the saggy underbrush. The head tree is not there to make the system better.
 
2012-05-31 12:19:53 AM  

Amishrabbit: The main Trojan executable (*not a virus*) is only a bit more than 6MB, but the total size of all of its packed and downloaded payloads tips the scales at a little over 20MB.


How much currently seems like it would was written by the Flame authors themselves vs third-party libs?

I did some adding up of the sizes of the libraries mentioned in the Q&A I linked, and only got 2 or 3 MB, but they didn't mention things like the sound libraries.
 
2012-05-31 12:46:26 AM  

Nrokreffefp: peterthx: Bauer: fark israel.

Spoken like a true uneducated Nazi.

The closest thing to Nazis currently is Israel. Giant concentration camp, overflowing nationalism, continual hyperbole regarding the outside threat of neighboring nations...


Do you even know what you're talking about here?
 
2012-05-31 01:07:57 AM  

Gerrok: Clemkadidlefark: But also, making a device that is deliverable aboard, say a ballistic missile is still a whole different league what with G-forces, the shaking and baking a rocket does at 6,000 mph ... possibly as much as 4/kms

... and lastly getting it to target and reliably having it go boom, well - boys and girls - that's big boy pants territory.

Instead of trying to develop an ICBM to deliver a warhead why not just box it up in a shipping container and ship it anywhere in the world. You deliver your warhead where you want it, and it's much harder to track in the aftermath then a missile.

Just sayin'


Understand

But we have well documented satellite capability from the early 1970s onward that can spot stray radiation signatures anywhere in the world, real time. As far as I know there are only several ways to package a device securely enough so neutrinos do not escape, but in so doing you ... well ... prevent the neutrinos from escaping the packaging and in a short period of time those agitated neutrinos trying to escape bounce back into the Primary and you run the very real chance of a runaway nuclear chain reaction being set in motion.

'For argument's sake, let's say Iran deep in mountain did as you suggest and then drove like hell towards the border. It would never get 50 km down the road. Stennis or one of our guided missile frigates in the carrier group would put a Cruise on that thing inside of 20 minutes after the satellites detected a nuclear device on the move.

Just saying.

The reason ballistic missiles work so well is that (a) it's obvious you have them because of their known locations and stray emissions and (b) at speeds up to 18,000 miles an hour you may detect them but the enemy cannot stop them.
 
2012-05-31 01:09:23 AM  

ThreadSinger: Hey, if you're going down the 417, could ya plow the highway on your way out?"


I just wanted to take a moment to say that that was an absolutely amazing post.

Well Done!
 
2012-05-31 01:27:03 AM  

evaned: Amishrabbit: The main Trojan executable (*not a virus*) is only a bit more than 6MB, but the total size of all of its packed and downloaded payloads tips the scales at a little over 20MB.

How much currently seems like it would was written by the Flame authors themselves vs third-party libs?

I did some adding up of the sizes of the libraries mentioned in the Q&A I linked, and only got 2 or 3 MB, but they didn't mention things like the sound libraries.


Hard to tell, but the bulk of the SQLite object code is a big chunk of that 6MB. You can tell roughly, because the strings dumped from that section aren't encrypted or obfuscated, but object code isn't always proportional in size to source, so any guess would be pretty wild.

Also, the payloads are componentized, like Koobface, so some instructions may exist in the 'master' Trojan, but the actual heavy-lifting code could be in one or more payload files.
 
2012-05-31 01:46:41 AM  

Corporate Self: peterthx: Bauer: fark israel.

Spoken like a true uneducated Nazi.

Good Godwin that is quite a leap!


indeed.

i love the land.
but the current occupants are far too judgmental and hypocritical for my taste.
when they are ready to act like normal human beings...i'll forgive them.
somebody has to say these things.
 
2012-05-31 01:51:15 AM  
does israel really think we would just "stand by" and watch them be obliterated?

their lack of faith in the nation that freed them...is unpleasant, to say the least.

-this is how they strayed from moses, "back in the day".

sometimes...well, most times, we really do not learn from history.

you'd think that the jewish people would trust the united states, by now.
 
2012-05-31 01:59:04 AM  
Bauer: does israel really think we would just "stand by" and watch them be obliterated?

I think the better question is does Israel really think any legitimate nation state is crazy enough to fark with them. It's not like they've made it a secret that they have over 300 nuclear weapons in their arsenal, and they're ready to take everyone with them with they die.

Bauer: sometimes...well, most times, we really do not learn from history.

you'd think that the jewish people would trust the united states, by now.


The Jewish people don't trust anyone for a very good reason. You might remember learning about it in school. It's a time period encompassing 1933-1945.
 
2012-05-31 03:29:23 AM  

Bauer: does israel really think we would just "stand by" and watch them be obliterated?


They watched people that promised to protect them from the European pogroms ship them to Dachau last century, so you have to admit there is precedent.

/sorry, did they learn a lesson you didn't want them to learn?
//maybe you're just a shiatty teacher
 
2012-05-31 04:26:08 AM  

Clemkadidlefark: IMO this whole Iran-kerfuffle is not about a nuclear device.

Iran has in no way demonstrated they can build a bomb; which is not simple set of user guide instructions off the interwebs.

They can't test their design, for pity's sake. That's the key. If they don't test at least once or twice they'll never know, computer simulations be damned. If they successfully test, Israel will be the least of their worries. Our carrier groups will go Captain America on them, and Captain America don't stop until it's all rubble.

But the Testing question pales compared to loading a workable device onto a delivery platform. By the time they do that our satellites will now all about it and, well ... you can figure out our response via the carrier group USS Stennis

But also, making a device that is deliverable aboard, say a ballistic missile is still a whole different league what with G-forces, the shaking and baking a rocket does at 6,000 mph ... possibly as much as 4/kms

... and lastly getting it to target and reliably having it go boom, well - boys and girls - that's big boy pants territory.

And Iran ain't got anything in their hand but almost enough uranium.

We're told.

So .... I'm thinking this is a BS ploy ala' Saddam (talking shiat when he had nothing in his hand but the On/Off switch to a plastic shredder). Photoshopping your press to the world in the urgent hope we will go BOOM on their ass and thus usher in the Jihadist era of the Occluded Imam, the hidden imam, the Grand Wizard hell fire Kill Jews and non-believers of the shiate cult. You know, apocalyptic passions that require all out war to bring the 9th knucklehead out of hiding.

'Cause Iran, if we think it through, can't hurt Israel with what they have. If what they have is being truthfully reported.

Oh, and if they launch a dud on Israel because they couldn't do the right testing first to see if it all works, well .... I imagine Iran is a sea of glass three hours later.

So ... none of this current media-war- ...


You don't need to test in the way that you're suggesting. You can easily substitute an inert (but similar in density) metal for the core. All that you need to do is adjust the lenses for maximum compression. It's already a well known phenomenon as to what happens after that so it isn't a requirement to test that pert of the weapon. And that's assuming a implosion type design. If it's a gun type device then there's really nothing to test.

One of the places that Iran is blocking access to is suspected of being a test location of just this type.

Read The making of the Atomic Bomb. It does a pretty good job of explaining this and you can bet that their scientists (and project managers if they are building a weapon) have read it as well. It's worth the read before you go on about how difficult it is to do. The difficult part is getting enough of the refined material which Iran appears to be in the process of doing.

You are also assuming that they care if the weapon is accurately targeted. A V2 type missile is fairly easy to build (once you acquire the ability to make rockets that don't explode on liftoff that is). If the goal is to simply level a city you only need to be "Close" (as in within a mile or so). If you can build a conventional weapon that can sense how far above the ground it is then you can do it with anything. Targeting only become difficult if either the launching datum or the target datum is moving. That assumes that they deploy it by missile in the first place. A more realistic scenario would be delivery by land or sea or to "Give" a weapon to someone like Hamas in order to have some semblance of deniability.
 
2012-05-31 05:58:47 AM  

Millennium: There are enough ways to avoid revealing your position as you do this that I still don't see the need for a full freaking 20M. What did they do, write it all in XSLT? Or worse, COBOL?


QBASIC

/lots of go-subs
//lots
 
2012-05-31 08:17:39 AM  

UnspokenVoice: Millennium: There are enough ways to avoid revealing your position as you do this that I still don't see the need for a full freaking 20M. What did they do, write it all in XSLT? Or worse, COBOL?

QBASIC

/lots of go-subs
//lots


10 PRINT "HA, HA! YOU HAVE A VIRUS!!"
20 GOTO 10
 
2012-05-31 08:55:29 AM  

Corporate Self: UnspokenVoice: Millennium: There are enough ways to avoid revealing your position as you do this that I still don't see the need for a full freaking 20M. What did they do, write it all in XSLT? Or worse, COBOL?

QBASIC

/lots of go-subs
//lots

10 PRINT "HA, HA! YOU HAVE A VIRUS!!"
20 GOTO 10


Corporate Self: UnspokenVoice: Millennium: There are enough ways to avoid revealing your position as you do this that I still don't see the need for a full freaking 20M. What did they do, write it all in XSLT? Or worse, COBOL?

QBASIC

/lots of go-subs
//lots

10 PRINT "HA, HA! YOU HAVE A VIRUS!!"
20 GOTO 10


Corporate Self: UnspokenVoice: Millennium: There are enough ways to avoid revealing your position as you do this that I still don't see the need for a full freaking 20M. What did they do, write it all in XSLT? Or worse, COBOL?

QBASIC

/lots of go-subs
//lots

10 PRINT "HA, HA! YOU HAVE A VIRUS!!"
20 GOTO 10


It has been a million and three years but I think QBASIC depreciated or outright disallowed/couldn't have line numbering. I could very easily be mistaken on the subject though. While I was an EE grad I actually worked outside the field so to speak and pretty much all of my career was spent either building or running my own consultation business so, after making my bones, I almost never did any coding of my own other than my own personal projects after only a few years.

/is an EE
//actually ended up doing traffic modelling
/the Atlanta loop isn't mine but I did do some work on a remodel for it
 
2012-05-31 09:07:45 AM  
Doesn't anyone code on Assembly anymore?
 
2012-05-31 10:03:08 AM  
If you want a good time, sit in on a assembler & machine language class. Watching a majority of the students having aneurysms while trying to wrap their head around the logic is a solid gold laugh riot. What's more amusing than that is to watch them run to the professor's office afterwards and complain that it's actually too difficult. I damn near got banned from the building for laughing at that one day...so did some of the other professors.
 
2012-05-31 10:27:10 AM  

MegaUngawa: Doesn't anyone code on Assembly anymore?


Not code that's intended to run on as many different computers as possible, with different instruction sets and attached hardware.

/modern viruses depend more on widespread infection than secrecy
//heck, a well designed trojan might get installed by people fully aware of the virus, if they need their computer to do what the trojan software makes it do badly enough
 
2012-05-31 10:31:36 AM  

UnspokenVoice: Corporate Self: UnspokenVoice: Millennium: x3

/is an EE


Check your code, looks like you have an infinite loop.
 
2012-05-31 11:10:15 AM  

UnspokenVoice: It has been a million and three years but I think QBASIC depreciated or outright disallowed/couldn't have line numbering.


You could use real honest-to-god labels so you definitely didn't need them, but you definitely could still use them. I'm not sure if they were officially deprecated or not, but of course if you were just targeting QBasic then it'd be better if you didn't use them.
 
2012-05-31 11:23:55 AM  

MBooda: UnspokenVoice: Corporate Self: UnspokenVoice: Millennium: x3

/is an EE

Check your code, looks like you have an infinite loop.


That wasn't my code, sheesh. Scroll up. I'll not take the blame for that. Hell, it is BASIC at its core so it probably *should* have at least started with CLS.

evaned: UnspokenVoice: It has been a million and three years but I think QBASIC depreciated or outright disallowed/couldn't have line numbering.

You could use real honest-to-god labels so you definitely didn't need them, but you definitely could still use them. I'm not sure if they were officially deprecated or not, but of course if you were just targeting QBasic then it'd be better if you didn't use them.


That sounds about right. That was a whole different lifetime ago, it's hard to imagine but it has been about 20 years since then. As I haven't touched any code (other than PHP really) in ages I keep thinking that I should go take a few courses at the college just to keep myself busy. I guess I sometimes poke at some PERL but that's about it other than maybe a bit of markup.

It is strange now that I think about it. It isn't as if I don't have the time to go learning a new language or ten. I just haven't bothered. I don't have a need to keep my skills sharp or marketable. Life was good to me and Lady Luck was a good mistress.
 
2012-06-01 07:10:50 PM  

BronyMedic: ThreadSinger: BronyMedic: kindms: We have the plans to attack Iran and they are ready

Which is an absurd conclusion to make. We have plans for nuclear warfare in China. We also have plans to invade Canada, and they are ready too. For some reason, I doubt we'll be invading their poutine reserves any time soon. Tim Hortons is safe from Uncle Sam marching in and demanding a double double anytime soon.


If American tanks were to roll through Ottawa, I think the anticipated response would be:

"An invasion? That's a shame. We surrender, I guess. Our response plans? Um, protest a bit, maybe. Look, it's February. It's cold. And frankly, taxes are high enough as it is, so the less you blow up, the better. Yea. So, since you're here, are you, like, looking for something or someone in particular? What? It's, um, that way. West. Follow the corn fields, look for mountains and cows. That's Alberta. The oil is in the ground nearby. Kind of like Texas, but colder, less firearms, more skiing. Your welcome. Where's the army? Oh, they're around. Probably pissed too. Well, more confused at this point, I think. They're likely sittin' tight, hoping the cold will do you in. Or just sittin' tight, period; it's goddamn cold. Op, sorry. Yea, traffic is pretty heavy. Evacuation? No, it's a Playoff night. Montreal. Game 6. Going where? Ah, you want our Head of State. He's the one in the sweatervest. He's, um, he's probably in the old but pretty looking building downtown, across from the Sparks Street Pedestrian Mall. Look for the Parliament Pub. No, he works in the Parliament Building, across from the Parliament Pub. I know, right! What? Oh, look for the flame in front of the building. The Parliament. No, those flames are supposed to be there. Ok then. You're welcome. You too.

Hey, if you're going down the 417, could ya plow the highway on your way out?"

It's....

It's glorious.


Shadow Blasko: ThreadSinger: Hey, if you're going down the 417, could ya plow the highway on your way out?"

I just wanted to take a moment to say that that was an absolutely amazing post.

Well Done!


Ha! Thanks all!
 
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