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(Al Jazeera)   Iran blames Israel and United States for 'Flame', expresses anger at upcoming 'Smoke,' 'Rubble' and 'Explosions'   (aljazeera.com ) divider line
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2012-05-30 04:22:09 PM  

Silverstaff: Because People in power are Stupid:
Sarcasm because -Is 20 MB big? My 64 terrabyte backup disk begs to differ.

For a virus/worm it's honking huge. "That's not a moon, that's a space station" kind of huge.

Without the huge GUI and bloated applications, you can easily fit an entire OS into 20 MB.

Of course, if Iran doesn't want Flame, and doesn't want delivery of Smoke, Rubble and Explosion, they could always try uninstalling Nuclear.


Or doing an rm -rf batshiatcrazyman
 
2012-05-30 04:22:22 PM  
veryequiped: So that rubble, smoke and explosions just may be subtard's loved one in the army, or subtard's house

Here's what I want you to do.

Put down the Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2.

Actually read up on what would happen if a Russian bomber violated the United States' or Canada's Airspace, and launched an attack on the United States or one of her NATO allies.

A lot of corn fields in the west of the United States would suddenly become very, very active, and the airspace above them would be very crowded with Minutemen III missiles.
 
2012-05-30 04:22:49 PM  
Silverstaff

Because People in power are Stupid:
Sarcasm because -Is 20 MB big? My 64 terrabyte backup disk begs to differ.

For a virus/worm it's honking huge. "That's not a moon, that's a space station" kind of huge.

Without the huge GUI and bloated applications, you can easily fit an entire OS into 20 MB.

Of course, if Iran doesn't want Flame, and doesn't want delivery of Smoke, Rubble and Explosion, they could always try uninstalling Nuclear.



Nice. Good one.
 
2012-05-30 04:23:17 PM  

evaned: Millennium: It also includes a bunch of stuff that no malware would ever use: frameworks for making interfaces, displaying images, building small databases, an entire freaking programming language to bind it all together.

Sooo... actually Flame does have those those. It includes both sqllite and the Lua interpreter. Displaying images, no, but capturing (and thus writing out) images, yes. (Though obviously you only need to deal with one format.) It can also capture your microphone, so presumably there's some MP3 or OGG encoder in there.


sqlite is part of Firefox too, so that's a wash. But why put the database on the client side when you're already sending it back to the server anyway?
No clue why they include Lua, but its interpreter is smaller than the various JavaScript engines out there. Advantage: Flame.

Writing out images could easily be done in the webcam's native format, which is a simple pass-through: no need for specific image formats. If they do use a specific library, then Firefox has that too, only for more images, so the advantage still goes to Flame. Similar story for the microphone.

And thus, ultimately, still no reason for the 20MB file size.
 
2012-05-30 04:23:27 PM  
farm8.staticflickr.com
 
2012-05-30 04:23:42 PM  

ChipNASA: sp86: That site is so pussy I clicked your link and my dick started menstruating.
I am *SO* stealing that.


Sounds like it might be an STD, just share an intimate moment with him and it's all yours.
 
2012-05-30 04:25:07 PM  
sp86: That site is so pussy I clicked your link and my dick started menstruating.

I'm not a Doctor or anything, but if your dick is bleeding, you might want to seek prompt medical attention....
 
2012-05-30 04:25:28 PM  
BronyMedic

veryequiped: So that rubble, smoke and explosions just may be subtard's loved one in the army, or subtard's house

Here's what I want you to do.

Put down the Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2.

Actually read up on what would happen if a Russian bomber violated the United States' or Canada's Airspace, and launched an attack on the United States or one of her NATO allies.

A lot of corn fields in the west of the United States would suddenly become very, very active, and the airspace above them would be very crowded with Minutemen III missiles.



If you think a Russian bomber has even the slightest chance in hell of violating our air space, then you know nothing about our military.
 
2012-05-30 04:26:16 PM  

sp86: socoloco: RexTalionis: Considering Stuxnet's probable origins, I don't think that accusation is really unfounded.

Saw a TED talk (Bunch of self-congratulatory people that kiss each others ass for feel good futurism by making sweeping generalizations) claim it was jointly created by the US and Israel.

That site is so pussy I clicked your link and my dick started menstruating.


Yeah it is. I do like to hear the other side of farking crazy at times.
 
2012-05-30 04:26:20 PM  
karnal: If you think a Russian bomber has even the slightest chance in hell of violating our air space, then you know nothing about our military.

I'm making a point about Mutually Assured Destruction. Stop pointing out the fact that NORAD would order a shoot down the moment they thought they were on a strike mission. :)
 
2012-05-30 04:27:57 PM  
BronyMedic

karnal: If you think a Russian bomber has even the slightest chance in hell of violating our air space, then you know nothing about our military.

I'm making a point about Mutually Assured Destruction. Stop pointing out the fact that NORAD would order a shoot down the moment they thought they were on a strike mission. :)



Awww...I see. Then....nevermind.
 
2012-05-30 04:29:40 PM  

Diogenes: Mad Libs must be really boring for some Iranians. All the blanks are "America", "Israel", and "Jews."


what about the great Satan? I mean, it's not as good as the greatest Satan, but it's a start.
 
2012-05-30 04:31:22 PM  

BronyMedic: sp86: That site is so pussy I clicked your link and my dick started menstruating.

I'm not a Doctor or anything, but if your dick is bleeding, you might want to seek prompt medical attention....


MANSTRUATION IS NO JOKE, GUY! I'm sorry. I love you baby.

Now I want ice cream.
 
2012-05-30 04:32:55 PM  
www.bearotic.com
 
2012-05-30 04:33:59 PM  

Lt. Cheese Weasel: Because People in power are Stupid: It would make sense that instead of writing code for a single virus with this complexity -that one might write a special compiler for these types of viruses.

toraque:

The Flame virus is supposedly 20 MB in size.

Sarcasm because -Is 20 MB big? My 64 terrabyte backup disk begs to differ.

Woohoo..somebody queue up some Vivaldi.......


Heh.
That ranks right up there... could pop it right into a Snake or CJ bragging montage!

/P1
 
2012-05-30 04:34:05 PM  

Tatterdemalian: BronyMedic: Of course they blamed the United States.It's not jingoism to say we're that farkin' good, people.

You think that someone forgot to put the toilet seat down in Ahmadinajad's bungalo? Hell no. American Agents.
You think that street lights actually go out in Tehran? You sheep, it's the CIA.

Wasn't Stuxnet actually traced back to Russia? Of course, the Russians are supplying the nukes, so it's not like Iran can accuse them without seeing their chance of getting nukes vanish, even if Putin himself started bragging about it.


If it was Russian, do you think a Russian company would have discovered it and Flame?

That wouldn't exactly put Kaspersky Labs on Putins christmas cards list I'd think.
 
2012-05-30 04:34:35 PM  

BronyMedic: kindms: We have the plans to attack Iran and they are ready

Which is an absurd conclusion to make. We have plans for nuclear warfare in China. We also have plans to invade Canada, and they are ready too. For some reason, I doubt we'll be invading their poutine reserves any time soon. Tim Hortons is safe from Uncle Sam marching in and demanding a double double anytime soon.

Just because we have plans for something, doesn't mean it's going to happen, or even planned to happen. There are people who set in a basement in Cheyenne, Wyoming, who do nothing but formulate these plans day in and day out.

kindms: bases completely surrounding their country

Which is actually inaccurate. The oft-circulated "OMG WE SURROUND THEM" Picture that people like to link on FARK includes numerous sites which are actually contracted refueling or logistical staging points that have been lapsed or are unused, and several forward bases and operating stations which have not been used since the invasion of Iraq in 2003.

kindms: Drones circling their country

We also have satellites orbiting China which can take pictures to show you the razor burn on some farmer's face. Clearly that means we're getting ready to invade. For oil. Or brown people. I forgot what the evil justification of the week was.

kindms: Iranian scientists being murdered

[Citation Needed that the Special Activities Division is snuffing Iranian Scientists]

kindms: cyber Warfare attacking what the US calls a non-military enrichment program

[Citation Needed that the United States is using cyberwarfare on anyone.] [Citation Needed that their enrichment program is "non-military" in it's entirety] - This is actually pretty likely, but I'd challenge you to provide evidence of it.


Why should he? You don't source your bullshiat, why should he?
 
2012-05-30 04:35:29 PM  
spawn73: That wouldn't exactly put Kaspersky Labs on Putins christmas cards list I'd think.

Oh yeah. That whole plausible deniability thing. That's what.

"We are VERY VERY displeased at you writing a report about a virus that was not our doing!"
"Uh, then why are you displeased at us?"
"Erm...hey look. A shiny!"
 
2012-05-30 04:37:28 PM  
Madbassist1: Why should he? You don't source your bullshiat, why should he?

Which bullshiat is that? That the oft-circulated photo contains numerous sites which are no longer used, or were contracted from national Governments for logistical and refueling purposes? Or that we have plans to invade Canada and open up Dunkin Donuts franchises?

I'm not the one making claims that one country is responsible for everything bad happening in Iran, buddy. Extraordinary claims, extraordinary proof.

Put up, or shut up with your trolling.
 
2012-05-30 04:37:29 PM  

BronyMedic: sp86: That site is so pussy I clicked your link and my dick started menstruating.

I'm not a Doctor or anything, but if your dick is bleeding, you might want to seek prompt medical attention....


meh, not really. It looks scarier than it is.
 
2012-05-30 04:38:01 PM  

Millennium: Because People in power are Stupid: Sarcasm because -Is 20 MB big? My 64 terrabyte backup disk begs to differ.

Size is relative. 20MB is not big for media files, but for code it's absolutely massive.

Consider Firefox. This is a piece of software that is generally considered bloatware, and perhaps rightly so. It includes everything that you'd need to make something like Flame: a full runtime that gives you encryption, networking, access to system services, and so on. It also includes a bunch of stuff that no malware would ever use: frameworks for making interfaces, displaying images, building small databases, an entire freaking programming language to bind it all together, and lots of other odds and ends. Despite all that, it comes in at only 15MB: considerably less size, yet it does more than Flame would ever need.

And even Firefox is bloated. What, then, is Flame? Where is all that code even going?


On the other hand, I used to boot my computer into an OS that was fully multitasking, multithreaded, real-time, with a very nice full GUI interface, plug-and-play driver detection for monitor, modem or NIC, etc., and it came with a full web browser with the most important browser features of the day (including the then-current HTML standard, frames, and JavaScript), a web server, a selection of fonts, several demo apps including games, and documentation − and the whole thing fit on one 3½″ 1.33MB bootable floppy diskette!
 
2012-05-30 04:38:25 PM  

BronyMedic: Madbassist1: Why should he? You don't source your bullshiat, why should he?

Which bullshiat is that? That the oft-circulated photo contains numerous sites which are no longer used, or were contracted from national Governments for logistical and refueling purposes? Or that we have plans to invade Canada and open up Dunkin Donuts franchises?

I'm not the one making claims that one country is responsible for everything bad happening in Iran, buddy. Extraordinary claims, extraordinary proof.

Put up, or shut up with your trolling.


So you're asking me for citations, when I havent even farking SAID anything, yet still refuse to cite your own stuff. And you call me a troll...
 
2012-05-30 04:40:04 PM  
(Ooops! 1.44MB! Dang handskrit!)
 
2012-05-30 04:40:54 PM  
it is capable of gathering information from computers without being detected

Apparently it's not doing a very good job of that.
 
2012-05-30 04:42:04 PM  

Carousel Beast: it is capable of gathering information from computers without being detected

Apparently it's not doing a very good job of that.


it did for at least 2 yrs. That's a pretty damn good job.
 
2012-05-30 04:42:31 PM  

Uchiha_Cycliste: Diogenes: Mad Libs must be really boring for some Iranians. All the blanks are "America", "Israel", and "Jews."

what about the great Satan? I mean, it's not as good as the greatest Satan, but it's a start.


They wanted Best Satan, but he's residing in Korea.
 
2012-05-30 04:44:24 PM  
Madbassist1: So you're asking me for citations, when I havent even farking SAID anything, yet still refuse to cite your own stuff. And you call me a troll...

Actually, I was referring to the person you were defending, not you. But, we'll take a crack at a few things.

http://socioecohistory.files.wordpress.com/2012/02/us_military_bases_ s urrounding_iran.jpg

This is the photo that's referred to. Oh my GOD, look at all those bases ready to launch their numerous armor and aircraft to invade poor wittle Iran!

Or, not.

The Dot on Ganci, Kyrgyzstan, for example - refers to the Transit Center at Manas. It's actually a logistical transit point which is not a permanent US Military Installation, but rather leased from the Kyrgyzstan Government for 200 million/year. In addition to this, the main staffing of the base is regular Kyrgyzstan Army.

Or, let's take the airbases listed in Pakistan. Which the US was told to leave by the Pakistani Government after they snuffed Bin Laden. Sorry, no dice there.

Well, what about Khanabad Air Base! They could launch Bom- oh, wait. Closed in 2005 and the US told to leave by the Uzbekistan Government.
 
2012-05-30 04:44:32 PM  

Millennium: sqlite is part of Firefox too, so that's a wash. But why put the database on the client side when you're already sending it back to the server anyway?
No clue why they include Lua, but its interpreter is smaller than the various JavaScript engines out there. Advantage: Flame.



Why would you want to send shiat back to a server and reveal your position? why not allow your agents to access these workstations at random times from random locations and then have them download the content from there? Makes more sense doesn't it?
 
2012-05-30 04:45:42 PM  

BronyMedic: Madbassist1: So you're asking me for citations, when I havent even farking SAID anything, yet still refuse to cite your own stuff. And you call me a troll...

Actually, I was referring to the person you were defending, not you. But, we'll take a crack at a few things.

http://socioecohistory.files.wordpress.com/2012/02/us_military_bases_ s urrounding_iran.jpg

This is the photo that's referred to. Oh my GOD, look at all those bases ready to launch their numerous armor and aircraft to invade poor wittle Iran!

Or, not.

The Dot on Ganci, Kyrgyzstan, for example - refers to the Transit Center at Manas. It's actually a logistical transit point which is not a permanent US Military Installation, but rather leased from the Kyrgyzstan Government for 200 million/year. In addition to this, the main staffing of the base is regular Kyrgyzstan Army.

Or, let's take the airbases listed in Pakistan. Which the US was told to leave by the Pakistani Government after they snuffed Bin Laden. Sorry, no dice there.

Well, what about Khanabad Air Base! They could launch Bom- oh, wait. Closed in 2005 and the US told to leave by the Uzbekistan Government.


Fair enough. I had no idea what photo you're talking about, but if you're willing to back your stuff up, I got no problem with your position, or anyone elses.
 
2012-05-30 04:51:01 PM  

BronyMedic: http://socioecohistory.files.wordpress.com/2012/02/us_military_bases_ surrounding_iran.jpg


i521.photobucket.com
 
2012-05-30 04:52:09 PM  

Detinwolf: Uchiha_Cycliste: Diogenes: Mad Libs must be really boring for some Iranians. All the blanks are "America", "Israel", and "Jews."

what about the great Satan? I mean, it's not as good as the greatest Satan, but it's a start.

They wanted Best Satan, but he's residing in Korea.


Could we be Superior Satan?
It rolls off the tongue
 
2012-05-30 04:53:13 PM  

Madbassist1: Millennium: sqlite is part of Firefox too, so that's a wash. But why put the database on the client side when you're already sending it back to the server anyway?
No clue why they include Lua, but its interpreter is smaller than the various JavaScript engines out there. Advantage: Flame.


Why would you want to send shiat back to a server and reveal your position? why not allow your agents to access these workstations at random times from random locations and then have them download the content from there? Makes more sense doesn't it?


Because the whole point of this sort of thing is that you don't have to deal with that pesky problem known as physicality. You get the malware into places that agents can't go, and let them phone it back in. There are enough ways to avoid revealing your position as you do this that I still don't see the need for a full freaking 20M. What did they do, write it all in XSLT? Or worse, COBOL?
 
2012-05-30 04:54:06 PM  
Millennium:

I'm not really trying to give a complete accounting of what the space is being used for, or to say why it's there, or say it's justified; just pointing out some of those aspects. 20 mb is definitely large for a code base, and compared to other malware, Silverstaff's "that's no moon" analogy is about right in terms of how unbelievably large it is.

I'm more trying to provide information (much of which came from here) then say you're wrong or off base with your comments. Still, I can speculate some. :-)

sqlite is part of Firefox too, so that's a wash. But why put the database on the client side when you're already sending it back to the server anyway?

Not sure. It's possible that not all information is transmitted back. The Q&A I posted above says that the operators actually remove Flame from uninteresting machines, to keep the total number infected at any point low. If they determine that a machine is "uninteresting" mostly or in part locally to the machine, that could mean that they need to store a lot of back information.

Writing out images could easily be done in the webcam's native format, which is a simple pass-through: no need for specific image formats. ... Similar story for the microphone.

The page didn't say anything about webcams, but it does take screenshots. The "native format" of that could be said to be raw BMPs, which you don't want to send uncompressed. Even in the case of webcams if it did do that, you might want to recompress it to be smaller. In the case of mics, same deal; the "raw format" would be WAV, but Flame compress it down before storage (though it doesn't say what format it uses).

If they do use a specific library, then Firefox has that too, only for more images, so the advantage still goes to Flame.

That's what I was trying to get at with my "you only need to deal with one format" comment.
 
2012-05-30 04:54:57 PM  
Madbassist1: BronyMedic: http://socioecohistory.files.wordpress.com/2012/02/us_military_bases_ surrounding_iran.jpg

You left in the space between bases_ and surrounding_iran.jpg

Fark sometimes does wierd things with plain-text linking.
 
2012-05-30 05:00:56 PM  
images2.wikia.nocookie.net
 
2012-05-30 05:04:09 PM  

Millennium: Because People in power are Stupid: Sarcasm because -Is 20 MB big? My 64 terrabyte backup disk begs to differ.

Size is relative. 20MB is not big for media files, but for code it's absolutely massive.

Consider Firefox. This is a piece of software that is generally considered bloatware, and perhaps rightly so. It includes everything that you'd need to make something like Flame: a full runtime that gives you encryption, networking, access to system services, and so on. It also includes a bunch of stuff that no malware would ever use: frameworks for making interfaces, displaying images, building small databases, an entire freaking programming language to bind it all together, and lots of other odds and ends. Despite all that, it comes in at only 15MB: considerably less size, yet it does more than Flame would ever need.

And even Firefox is bloated. What, then, is Flame? Where is all that code even going?


Yeah about that. Flame is self installing and spies on people. Although I have my suspicions about Firefox -it does something completely different.

I'm well aware of how much 'disk space" a software application should take up as well as how much ram. Assuming that Iran is too cheap to develop their own OS for their state computers -consider that Flame has to carry self installing copies of itself for every possible operating system in an entire country.

My point is that 20 Megs as a profile doesn't seem that big by comparison to what it does.
 
2012-05-30 05:05:08 PM  

Millennium: Because People in power are Stupid: Sarcasm because -Is 20 MB big? My 64 terrabyte backup disk begs to differ.

Size is relative. 20MB is not big for media files, but for code it's absolutely massive.

Consider Firefox. This is a piece of software that is generally considered bloatware, and perhaps rightly so. It includes everything that you'd need to make something like Flame: a full runtime that gives you encryption, networking, access to system services, and so on. It also includes a bunch of stuff that no malware would ever use: frameworks for making interfaces, displaying images, building small databases, an entire freaking programming language to bind it all together, and lots of other odds and ends. Despite all that, it comes in at only 15MB: considerably less size, yet it does more than Flame would ever need.

And even Firefox is bloated. What, then, is Flame? Where is all that code even going?


For a system like Flame it would need to have a considerable amount of hardware/network awareness above and beyond the OS level that FF ties too. FF uses OS APIs, not device level drivers. For a worm/trojan on the scale of Flame to operate effectively, especially within unknown/untested networks/platforms, it would have to include a certain level of intelligence logic to update itself or the system on which it resides to support many of it's operations. It's probably much more like a virtual OS that runs in the background and performs parallel functions while keeping itself viable.

At least for it to be both that large and at all effective that would be my vision. Something like a worm version of Knoppix. Platform agnostic and self healing.
 
2012-05-30 05:07:57 PM  
Now I've got that old Bangles song stuck in my head.

Close your eyes, give me your hand...
 
2012-05-30 05:09:09 PM  
Iran has accused the US and Israel of developing the virus, saying something so sophisticated could only have been developed by nation states.

Has never seen a pissed off 12yr old.
 
2012-05-30 05:12:30 PM  

BronyMedic: Madbassist1: BronyMedic: http://socioecohistory.files.wordpress.com/2012/02/us_military_bases_ surrounding_iran.jpg

You left in the space between bases_ and surrounding_iran.jpg

Fark sometimes does wierd things with plain-text linking.


Fark basically adds spaces for any very long stream of text without one to preserve formatting. Doesn't need to be a non-HTML link, but that's the most commond trigger for such. Just use the little button with the link symbol in it, please.

Example:
hjdgjkdfhjdfgkdkdkdkdooeoepwoprjnvmvkvklfkllgflglghlghlhhhgfgffdfddfd f dffdfddfdffddfgteryg5435trhdfyfhdyhhhdfhdfhfhdhdffhddfhfhddfhfdhdfhdfh dfhdfhty34dsgtsd

There's a space in there somewhere which it added. Originally, there was no space.
 
2012-05-30 05:14:27 PM  

Because People in power are Stupid: Assuming that Iran is too cheap to develop their own OS for their state computers -consider that Flame has to carry self installing copies of itself for every possible operating system in an entire country.


It doesn't. It targets Windows.

Because People in power are Stupid: My point is that 20 Megs as a profile doesn't seem that big by comparison to what it does.


Don't fool yourself... while it's doing a lot even in comparison to almost all malware, it's also abso-freaking-huge by malware standards. Stuxnet, by comparison, was about half a MB, and even that is large for malware.
 
2012-05-30 05:15:43 PM  
Geotpf: Just use the little button with the link symbol in it, please.

Unfortunately, I can't. Because I got a time-out for trolling the TFD, one of the side effects of this is that it automatically removes any links I make in the posts I post.
 
2012-05-30 05:16:06 PM  
Iran has accused the US and Israel of developing the virus, saying something so sophisticated could only have been developed by nation states.

So they're admitting to being less sophisticated than the US and Israel?
 
2012-05-30 05:17:02 PM  
IMO this whole Iran-kerfuffle is not about a nuclear device.

Iran has in no way demonstrated they can build a bomb; which is not simple set of user guide instructions off the interwebs.

They can't test their design, for pity's sake. That's the key. If they don't test at least once or twice they'll never know, computer simulations be damned. If they successfully test, Israel will be the least of their worries. Our carrier groups will go Captain America on them, and Captain America don't stop until it's all rubble.

But the Testing question pales compared to loading a workable device onto a delivery platform. By the time they do that our satellites will now all about it and, well ... you can figure out our response via the carrier group USS Stennis

But also, making a device that is deliverable aboard, say a ballistic missile is still a whole different league what with G-forces, the shaking and baking a rocket does at 6,000 mph ... possibly as much as 4/kms

... and lastly getting it to target and reliably having it go boom, well - boys and girls - that's big boy pants territory.

And Iran ain't got anything in their hand but almost enough uranium.

We're told.

So .... I'm thinking this is a BS ploy ala' Saddam (talking shiat when he had nothing in his hand but the On/Off switch to a plastic shredder). Photoshopping your press to the world in the urgent hope we will go BOOM on their ass and thus usher in the Jihadist era of the Occluded Imam, the hidden imam, the Grand Wizard hell fire Kill Jews and non-believers of the shiate cult. You know, apocalyptic passions that require all out war to bring the 9th knucklehead out of hiding.

'Cause Iran, if we think it through, can't hurt Israel with what they have. If what they have is being truthfully reported.

Oh, and if they launch a dud on Israel because they couldn't do the right testing first to see if it all works, well .... I imagine Iran is a sea of glass three hours later.

So ... none of this current media-war-garble-garble stands up to scrutiny, and I'm a die hard defender of Israel.

If media reports are somewhat c lose to factual.

Selah
 
2012-05-30 05:20:58 PM  
Clemkadidlefark: So .... I'm thinking this is a BS ploy ala' Saddam (talking shiat when he had nothing in his hand but the On/Off switch to a plastic shredder). Photoshopping your press to the world in the urgent hope we will go BOOM on their ass and thus usher in the Jihadist era of the Occluded Imam, the hidden imam, the Grand Wizard hell fire Kill Jews and non-believers of the shiate cult. You know, apocalyptic passions that require all out war to bring the 9th knucklehead out of hiding.

Holy crap. I'm not the only one who thought this.

Sadaam Hussein was the epic troll everyone on the internet aspired to be. His problem was he got TOO good at trolling, and by the time his bluff was called on it in a very, very violent way by the United States et all, no one believed him when he told the truth.

I kind of see Iran the same way.
 
2012-05-30 05:26:21 PM  
"A bloated piece of software that renders your computer inoperable? 'round these parts we just call that," anti-virus software.
 
2012-05-30 05:39:24 PM  

RidersOfLohan: [farm8.staticflickr.com image 500x375]


Came for the Stuntaz reference, leaving happy.

/old school FARK
 
2012-05-30 05:40:18 PM  

RexTalionis: Considering Stuxnet's probable origins, I don't think that accusation is really unfounded.


From evened's link:
In summary, Flame and Stuxnet/Duqu were probably developed by two separate groups. We would position Flame as a project running parallel to Stuxnet and Duqu.

I guess that could be a different group in some sort of "cyberwar army", but it could very well be that someone used some of the basic principals of Stuxnet to develop this.

I see that Israel is on the list of infection locations - is that just targets in Palestine? Saudi Arabia is on there too. If this is American, we might have some unhappy friends over this.
 
2012-05-30 05:47:00 PM  

evaned: Because People in power are Stupid: Assuming that Iran is too cheap to develop their own OS for their state computers -consider that Flame has to carry self installing copies of itself for every possible operating system in an entire country.

It doesn't. It targets Windows.

32 or 64? even vista?

Because People in power are Stupid: My point is that 20 Megs as a profile doesn't seem that big by comparison to what it does.

evaned:
Don't fool yourself... while it's doing a lot even in comparison to almost all malware, it's also abso-freaking-huge by malware standards. Stuxnet, by comparison, was about half a MB, and even that is large for malware.


Although I have never written any malicious software (yet) -if you provide even a little AI code to get it to spy on the right kinds of things (as opposed to all things) and even react and maneuver so that it can differentiate criteria -then you have a 20 Meg program easily.

Furthermore, I believe that you'd want to hide from Windows Task Manager and any other well known performance checking tools (perfmon.exe for example) or fark it -pretend that you ARE perfmon.exe.

Also the comparison to other malware is also not a valid comparison. Other malware usually has a purpose like to encrypt your disk and hold it for ransom until you pay some Russian guy. Again, small potatoes compared to spying on an entire country.

But then again I could be wrong. For all we know, Flame could force every Iranian to listen to the American national anthem on Jul 4 for all we know.
 
2012-05-30 05:51:00 PM  

BronyMedic: kindms: We have the plans to attack Iran and they are ready

Which is an absurd conclusion to make. We have plans for nuclear warfare in China. We also have plans to invade Canada, and they are ready too. For some reason, I doubt we'll be invading their poutine reserves any time soon. Tim Hortons is safe from Uncle Sam marching in and demanding a double double anytime soon.


If American tanks were to roll through Ottawa, I think the anticipated response would be:

"An invasion? That's a shame. We surrender, I guess. Our response plans? Um, protest a bit, maybe. Look, it's February. It's cold. And frankly, taxes are high enough as it is, so the less you blow up, the better. Yea. So, since you're here, are you, like, looking for something or someone in particular? What? It's, um, that way. West. Follow the corn fields, look for mountains and cows. That's Alberta. The oil is in the ground nearby. Kind of like Texas, but colder, less firearms, more skiing. Your welcome. Where's the army? Oh, they're around. Probably pissed too. Well, more confused at this point, I think. They're likely sittin' tight, hoping the cold will do you in. Or just sittin' tight, period; it's goddamn cold. Op, sorry. Yea, traffic is pretty heavy. Evacuation? No, it's a Playoff night. Montreal. Game 6. Going where? Ah, you want our Head of State. He's the one in the sweatervest. He's, um, he's probably in the old but pretty looking building downtown, across from the Sparks Street Pedestrian Mall. Look for the Parliament Pub. No, he works in the Parliament Building, across from the Parliament Pub. I know, right! What? Oh, look for the flame in front of the building. The Parliament. No, those flames are supposed to be there. Ok then. You're welcome. You too.

Hey, if you're going down the 417, could ya plow the highway on your way out?"
 
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