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(The Daily Caller)   The difference between Bain and Solyndra: Principal. Caught sayof debate of gulf war illnes. Is It real or not. CNN says yes. St. Pete Times looking for chads -OR- "hello, I am write single to salute and wait for medicine"   (dailycaller.com) divider line 180
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2012-05-30 10:45:17 AM
i2.photobucket.com
 
2012-05-30 10:55:34 AM
Poor bastard. I'd hate to have his job.
 
2012-05-30 10:57:44 AM
Still makes more sense than that Daily Caller blog. OMG the press secretary fumbled a loaded question. Do we need to troll Youtube for years of Scott McClellan?
 
2012-05-30 11:02:23 AM
But Bushed early on. Well done!
 
2012-05-30 11:04:12 AM

palladiate: Do we need to troll Youtube for years of Scott McClellan?


Be my guest. I'm partial to new material, but I also appreciate the classics.
 
2012-05-30 11:09:57 AM

Dancin_In_Anson: But Bushed early on. Well done!


Dude, they're press secretaries. And McClellan isn't a but-Bush, doubly so since I'm a freaking Republican. He endorsed Obama for God's sake.

Nabb1: the classics


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6R-0wOc6a_g

That's pretty classic Scotty. I did not envy his job. It's no wonder he flipped out on the administration after he left.
 
2012-05-30 11:20:53 AM
Solyndra was a solar energy company that fell apart despite massive government loans and Bain is a venture capital company that bought up and tore apart companies for a profit.

Pretty obvious difference.
 
2012-05-30 11:24:53 AM

palladiate: Still makes more sense than that Daily Caller blog. OMG the press secretary fumbled a loaded question. Do we need to troll Youtube for years of Scott McClellan?


Or Ari Fleischer.
Or Tony Snow.
Or Dana Perino.


Also, Jay Carney is a self-admitted Guided by Voices fan. He gets a free pass.
 
2012-05-30 11:26:03 AM
Romney didn't arrange photo ops with Bain's failed companies.
 
2012-05-30 11:26:52 AM
was that headline hard to read or what?
 
2012-05-30 11:27:11 AM

Cletus C.: Romney didn't arrange photo ops with Bain's failed companies.


That you know of.
 
2012-05-30 11:27:13 AM
I think subby misspelled "pricipal".
 
2012-05-30 11:27:42 AM

Headso: was that headline hard to read or what?


Worst. Headline. Evar.
 
2012-05-30 11:29:04 AM

James!: Solyndra was a solar energy company that fell apart despite massive government loans and Bain is a venture capital company that bought up and tore apart companies for a profit.

Pretty obvious difference.



Yeah. One made money and one lost money.
 
2012-05-30 11:29:11 AM
So does this mean I'm going to have to endure the derp crowd harping on faucking solyndra for the next week? Because it was annoying before too.
 
2012-05-30 11:29:29 AM

James!: Solyndra was a solar energy company that fell apart despite massive government loans guarantees and Bain is a venture capital company that bought up and tore apart some companies for a profit while others they reorganized into successful ongoing ventues.

Pretty obvious difference.


corrected for factititudes
 
2012-05-30 11:29:42 AM
What's the point of comparing Bain Capital and Solyndra anyway? I mean, other than being able to connect a candidate to one or the other.
 
2012-05-30 11:29:48 AM

Headso: was that headline hard to read or what?


I still don't get it.
 
2012-05-30 11:29:49 AM

Arkanaut: I think subby misspelled "pricipal".


Sleeping Monkey: Worst. Headline. Evar.


Both of these. Subby, if you're going to invoke a classic, then do it right.
 
2012-05-30 11:29:52 AM

Dancin_In_Anson: James!: Solyndra was a solar energy company that fell apart despite massive government loans and Bain is a venture capital company that bought up and tore apart companies for a profit.

Pretty obvious difference.


Yeah. One made money and one lost money.


Yes, besides being in two wildly different industries that is also a difference between the two.

Gold star.
 
2012-05-30 11:29:54 AM
i50.tinypic.com
 
2012-05-30 11:30:00 AM

Sleeping Monkey: Headso: was that headline hard to read or what?

Worst. Headline. Evar.


I know you two aren't new here, but I think it's pretty obvious what subby was referencing there.
 
2012-05-30 11:30:00 AM
Is that headline a joke I don't get or is it just terrible?
 
2012-05-30 11:30:06 AM
The GOP only hates corporate welfare when it is not going to their supporters friends.
 
2012-05-30 11:30:41 AM
Reporter: Last thing. If that's the argument, how is that different from Romney's argument on Bain Capital, which is that many succeeded and a few failed?

You're comparing apples to an orange who rapes apples.
 
2012-05-30 11:30:52 AM

skullkrusher: James!: Solyndra was a solar energy company that fell apart despite massive government loans guarantees and Bain is a venture capital company that bought up and tore apart some companies for a profit while others they reorganized into successful ongoing ventues.

Pretty obvious difference.

corrected for factititudes


Sure, still they're wildly different businesses.
 
2012-05-30 11:31:44 AM

Dancin_In_Anson: Yeah. One made money and one lost money.


Are you telling me that a venture capital company designed to take over stressed companies, gut them, and sell off the parts for profit performed better than an alternative fuel company trying to create space in an entirely new industry?

Well, golly gee whiz...thanks for that update.
 
2012-05-30 11:31:53 AM

Dancin_In_Anson: James!: Solyndra was a solar energy company that fell apart despite massive government loans and Bain is a venture capital company that bought up and tore apart companies for a profit.

Pretty obvious difference.


Yeah. One made money and one lost money.


One fired tons of employees because they lost money, and one fired tons of employees to make money and made the government bail out pension funds to make money.
 
2012-05-30 11:32:11 AM
blog.case.edu

"Because... um like, the Sun is everywhere and starving kids in Africa and the like."

Seriously though, there's a world of difference between issuing a government loan and what Bain does. The government didn't take over Solyndra, mortgage all its assets including the workers pensions, leverage it to the sky, then let the company bleed to death, while it reaps the rewards.
 
2012-05-30 11:32:27 AM

James!: skullkrusher: James!: Solyndra was a solar energy company that fell apart despite massive government loans guarantees and Bain is a venture capital company that bought up and tore apart some companies for a profit while others they reorganized into successful ongoing ventues.

Pretty obvious difference.

corrected for factititudes

Sure, still they're wildly different businesses.


aside from the fact that Solyndra counted a few PE firms as investor/owners, not even close
 
2012-05-30 11:32:29 AM
"we have to make sure that those folks have the means to find other employment, that they have the ability to train for other kinds of work, and that's part of the overall responsibility the president has."


got it. so 0bama is now helping the people fired from Solyndra find jobs? How? He can't even find a job for that engineer who sent his resume to 0bama (after 0bama asked).
 
2012-05-30 11:32:50 AM

CPennypacker: Is that headline a joke I don't get or is it just terrible?


Here
 
2012-05-30 11:33:15 AM
I think I missed the English portion of that headline submission and Google Translator isn't helping.
 
2012-05-30 11:33:16 AM

imontheinternet: Seriously though, there's a world of difference between issuing a government loan and what Bain does.


Yeah, Bain didn't throw any of my money down the Solyndra hole.
 
2012-05-30 11:33:19 AM

Sleeping Monkey: Headso: was that headline hard to read or what?

Worst. Headline. Evar.


And yet this insanely tired re-hash of a stupid meme is what passes for green-worthy these days. The admins have really started phoning it in lately, or Drew has just outsourced the whole thing to Free Republic. the article gleefully tries to make hay over the non-issue of why Jay Carney had trouble answering a question that made about as much sense as asking why a raven is like a writing desk

Why is a failed investment in a start up company designed to help it expand its business not exactly the same as a vulture capitalist looting a company and then selling off its corpse for parts?

If you have to ask, you are too stupid to understand the answer
 
2012-05-30 11:34:27 AM
Guess not a lot of people remember this headline meme?

http://fark.wikia.com/wiki/Pricipal_Caught_sayof
 
2012-05-30 11:34:50 AM

Nabb1: imontheinternet: Seriously though, there's a world of difference between issuing a government loan and what Bain does.

Yeah, Bain didn't throw any of my money down the Solyndra hole.


So really they ought to be comparing Bain to the government and not Bain to Solyndra.
 
2012-05-30 11:35:54 AM
Uh huh... Any unhinged wing nuts want to explain what I should outraged about here?
 
2012-05-30 11:36:07 AM

skullkrusher: corrected for factititudes


If that is the correction for Bain Capital, shouldn't you expand the "solyndra" side of the analogy to, at least, the entire scope of the loan guarantees that came about because of the Energy Policy Act of 2005?
 
2012-05-30 11:36:14 AM

bulldg4life: Are you telling me that a venture capital company designed to take over stressed companies, gut them, and sell off the parts for profit performed better than an alternative fuel company trying to create space in an entirely new industry?


Some of those companies actually succeeded too! Damn the luck.

12349876: One fired tons of employees because they lost money, and one fired tons of employees to make money and made the government bail out pension funds to make money.


So which would you rather see more of? Making money or losing money?
 
2012-05-30 11:37:00 AM

Hung Like A Tic-Tac: CPennypacker: Is that headline a joke I don't get or is it just terrible?

Here


soup: Guess not a lot of people remember this headline meme?

http://fark.wikia.com/wiki/Pricipal_Caught_sayof


Huh, never heard of it.

Still didn't make me chuckle
 
2012-05-30 11:38:03 AM
And as always, the story is someone flubbing up an answer trying to distinguish the two, with no discussion as to how the two are actually completely different things.

So, without any substantive discussion about the question presented, and whether the question even makes any sense (it doesn't), the blogger has made it appear that Solyndra is exactly the same as Bain capital in every way, and therefore the Obama administration is being completely hypocritical.
 
2012-05-30 11:39:01 AM

Nabb1: Yeah, Bain didn't throw any of my money down the Solyndra hole.


I bet Bain Capital has had 100% success in all of its investments.
 
2012-05-30 11:39:13 AM
So a rambling, nonsensical headline for a piece on a rambling, nonsensical comment by Jay Carney is too hard for people to figure out?
 
2012-05-30 11:39:28 AM
Person A: What does this business do?
DIA: It makes money!
Person A: Yeah, but what does it do?
DIA: It makes money, look at that business they lose money but this one makes it!
Person A: Does that other business do the same thing as this one? What do they do?
DIA: They LOSE money, this business MAKES money! SEE!?
Person A: But wait they make solar panels and this one looks like some kind of investment firm. That's totally different.
DIA: Yes because this one MAKES MONEY!
Person A: ...
 
2012-05-30 11:39:49 AM

Dancin_In_Anson: So which would you rather see more of? Making money or losing money?


Making money, but not at the price of pawning off pension funds to taxpayers like you and me, and not by firing employees that absolutely have to be fired for the company to stay alive.

You should see the episode of the PBS show Frontline that featured an independent auto repair shop literally crying at the prospect of having to fire employees. He cut his pay in half to avoid doing so. That's the kind of morality that big business needs, but the likes of Bain enjoy firing people just to add a few more million to their coffers, and enjoy forcing taxpayers like you and me to bail out their pension funds.
 
2012-05-30 11:40:14 AM

Dancin_In_Anson: Some of those companies actually succeeded too! Damn the luck.


I would assume some of the companies that were provided loan guarantees from the same 2005 energy bill as Solyndra succeeded too.

Again, the comparison seems silly unless you expand past just Solyndra. Unless, of course, we are going to assume that every Bain Capital investment has succeeded.
 
2012-05-30 11:40:41 AM

Dancin_In_Anson: bulldg4life: Are you telling me that a venture capital company designed to take over stressed companies, gut them, and sell off the parts for profit performed better than an alternative fuel company trying to create space in an entirely new industry?

Some of those companies actually succeeded too! Damn the luck.

12349876: One fired tons of employees because they lost money, and one fired tons of employees to make money and made the government bail out pension funds to make money.

So which would you rather see more of? Making money or losing money?


Once again we see that the American right has one and only one value: Profit.

Any individual's action can be fully excused if their personal wealth was increased as a result.
 
2012-05-30 11:41:11 AM

Magorn: And yet this insanely tired re-hash of a stupid meme is what passes for green-worthy these days. The admins have really started phoning it in lately



You couldn't be more wrong. You are holding the modmins and Fark.com to the incorrect standard. You think linked articles should have any merit whatsoever. You believe headlines should be funny, interesting, creative or anything of that nature. You couldn't be more wrong.

Whatever drives clicks and page views is the goal.

Magorn: Why is a failed investment in a start up company designed to help it expand its business not exactly the same as a vulture capitalist looting a company and then selling off its corpse for parts?

If you have to ask, you are too stupid to understand the answer



Again, you have lost sight of what the goal is. You assume the goal of the question is to get at the difference between Solyndra and Bain. You could not be more wrong. The goal is to deflect the conversation from Bain and potentially remind voters that Both Sides Are Bad™.
 
2012-05-30 11:41:14 AM

bulldg4life: skullkrusher: corrected for factititudes

If that is the correction for Bain Capital, shouldn't you expand the "solyndra" side of the analogy to, at least, the entire scope of the loan guarantees that came about because of the Energy Policy Act of 2005?


I did expand the Solyndra side of the equation by pointing out they were loan guarantees and not direct loans made by the government. Under what auspices those guarantees were extended didn't seem particularly relevant.
 
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