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(Slate)   Why the San Antonio Spurs are proof that America is a nation of sports hypocrites   (slate.com) divider line 175
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2012-05-30 10:14:20 AM  
I was hoping they were not as good as they looked the last two months........but they damn sure are.
 
2012-05-30 10:23:01 AM  
I don't like the Spurs because they are a conference rival of the Hornets, and on top of that, I've never seen anyone that lobbies and whines to the refs as much as they do.
 
2012-05-30 10:26:21 AM  
My favorite comment on the Spurs is from a couple of weeks ago. I was listening to Scott van Pelt's radio show, and SVP said "I can go around our campus, talk to our analysts, and get a bunch of different opinions on who will win the title this year. But, everybody here who actually played in the NBA says it's going to be San Antonio."
 
2012-05-30 10:44:43 AM  
"The brutal, slow-it-down Knicks and Heat teams of the late-1990s didn't exactly strike out-of-towners as lovable, but they were iconic. At a minimum, people loved to hate those teams. "

Um, no. No one liked them, either. But hey, let's revise history so it fits in with our made-up story.
 
2012-05-30 10:48:44 AM  
I'm no fan of the Spurs, although I do look forward to their upcoming dismantling of the Heat, but they really do play an attractive style of basketball. The way they share the ball is a ton of fun to watch.

Also, this:

Nabb1: I've never seen anyone that lobbies and whines to the refs as much as they do.


static03.mediaite.com
 
2012-05-30 10:55:37 AM  

JerseyTim: Also, this:
Nabb1: I've never seen anyone that lobbies and whines to the refs as much as they do.

[static03.mediaite.com image 630x426]


Hahaha! Thank you. You made my morning.
 
2012-05-30 11:17:12 AM  
I despise the Oklahoma City Traitors and hope the Spurs demolish them. Other than that, meh. I can see where the author's coming from.
 
2012-05-30 11:21:08 AM  

SnarfVader: I despise the Oklahoma City Traitors and hope the Spurs demolish them. Other than that, meh. I can see where the author's coming from.


Your tears are refreshing.....like rain in a THUNDER storm.
 
2012-05-30 11:25:45 AM  

Nabb1: I've never seen anyone that lobbies and whines to the refs as much as they do.


D-Wade does it quite a bit too, to his detriment

still, I'm actually picking the Heat to win it The Celtics could barely get by the 76ers, and Wade & James are playing like their lives depend on it.
And if Bosh comes back healthy, that'll open up a lot for them
 
2012-05-30 11:30:02 AM  

basemetal: SnarfVader: I despise the Oklahoma City Traitors and hope the Spurs demolish them. Other than that, meh. I can see where the author's coming from.

Your tears are refreshing.....like rain in a THUNDER storm.


You know, I would've had no problem with it if Bennet had been upfront about moving the team when he bought the Sonics. But noooooo.... He's a thief, liar, and deserves to be on a list with the likes of Art Modell. And Stern belongs there too for approving the move.

/My team is the Blazers
//Yeah, I know, Oden. Goddamnit Allen!
 
2012-05-30 11:46:24 AM  

SnarfVader: You know, I would've had no problem with it if Bennet had been upfront about moving the team when he bought the Sonics. But noooooo.... He's a thief, liar, and deserves to be on a list with the likes of Art Modell. And Stern belongs there too for approving the move.



I've always held the suspicion that Stern and Bennett host weekly lemon parties.
 
2012-05-30 12:02:39 PM  
Nabb1: I've never seen anyone that lobbies and whines to the refs as much as they do.

[static03.mediaite.com image 630x426]


The Clippers with Chris Paul give the Spurs a run for their money. But that picture needs one of Timmay's ball-hugging pouty poses.
 
2012-05-30 12:10:54 PM  
This just in: jocks are assholes who don't care about skill. Otherwise, most sports fans would not be able to identify as jocks.
 
2012-05-30 01:46:07 PM  
"We," of course, being the media. A writer, of course, blames the public at large for being tricked into buying into this other non-athletic garbage. Really, when opinion and innuendo are all you hear, see, and read from the majority of "journalists" regarding sports, people either quit paying attention, try to tread through the garbage, or they finally "accept" that the discussion is no longer about athletics, but about crap.

To be fair, it doesn't help that a lot of people have become "sports fans" just so they can be around other people, regardless of their interest in the sports themselves.
 
2012-05-30 01:46:12 PM  
I'm okay with Timmy, but the rest of the team can go to hell. Ginobli flops as much as Divac did and Parker is a whiny biatch.
 
2012-05-30 01:47:45 PM  
I don't know, after the Bulls were done I've made more of an effort to watch the Spurs than anyone else. Their offense is just great to watch.
 
2012-05-30 01:50:30 PM  
Eh. I think we don't care because most Americans don't know jack about the city of San Antonio other than the Alamo. And let's be honest -- geography matters. People love to hate on northeast or California teams (or the Cowboys), or root for small market teams like the Twins or the Packers, but San Antonio doesn't fit into either of those categories, so there's nothing that elicits a strong emotional response.

Also, they have possibly the boringest star player in the history of sports.
 
2012-05-30 01:51:51 PM  
This year's Spurs team somehow managed to earn less recognition than its predecessors even as it has finally demolished the longstanding excuses for America's refusal to embrace our most successful sports franchise.

Whoa whoa whoa...hold the phone here. Who exactly is this "our" referring to? The SA Spurs aren't even the most successful franchise in Texas, much less America. San Antonio, maybe.
 
2012-05-30 01:52:50 PM  
They are fun to watch.
 
2012-05-30 01:53:04 PM  
So the sports nation are hypocrites because they aren't frontrunners?
 
2012-05-30 01:53:56 PM  
Hi, I'm Matthew Yglesias, and today I'm going to knock down a strawman argument about the can-do American spirit by assuming that sports fans are looking for metaphors rather than entertainment.
 
2012-05-30 01:54:04 PM  

Arkanaut: Eh. I think we don't care because most Americans don't know jack about the city of San Antonio other than the Alamo. And let's be honest -- geography matters. People love to hate on northeast or California teams (or the Cowboys), or root for small market teams like the Twins or the Packers, but San Antonio doesn't fit into either of those categories, so there's nothing that elicits a strong emotional response.

Also, they have possibly the boringest star player in the history of sports.


The NBA fixes games to get SA v. Detroit in the NBA finals. It is a proven fact.
 
2012-05-30 01:55:09 PM  

JerseyTim: I'm no fan of the Spurs, although I do look forward to their upcoming dismantling of the Heat, but they really do play an attractive style of basketball. The way they share the ball is a ton of fun to watch.

Also, this:
Nabb1: I've never seen anyone that lobbies and whines to the refs as much as they do.

[static03.mediaite.com image 630x426]


EPIC WIN!

As for the article, I think most knowledgable fans believe it's a foregone conclusion that the Spurs are going to win it this year. As fun as it is to watch them pick apart the Thunder, there's honestly not a lot of drama because I don't believe the Spurs have a chance of losing as long as Tony Parker is on the court. At least there's a chance that the Celtics beat Miami, although I doubt it if the Celtics keep shooting their own feet.
 
2012-05-30 01:55:55 PM  

Nabb1: I've never seen anyone that lobbies and whines to the refs as much as they do.


I guess someone screaming "MAAAAAAAN" or "SH*********T" so audibly that it is louder than the TV announcers doesn't count. Or all those guys who routinely get T'd for not letting it go. Or the guys who spend 5 minutes giving a cold stare to the ref while his opponents score on him over and over again. You know, like... well, every team in the league, pretty much. Hell, even one of the less whiny championship teams in the past decade (the Pistons) had THE king of the T on their team. I can't hold it against Duncan for being slightly more eloquent the majority of players who spend their time grunting at an official, even if his "WHO ME?!" face is so damn funny.

Now, the flopping? Yeah, that one's legit. You can take the basketball player out of the soccer nation, but you can't take the soccer nation out of the basketball players. Or, players.
 
2012-05-30 01:56:22 PM  

Doogled: At least there's a chance that the Celtics beat Miami, although I doubt it if the Celtics keep shooting their own feet.


They have struggled to put together a complete game throughout the entire post season. That is not going to fly against the Heat.
 
2012-05-30 01:56:46 PM  
The NBA is about marketing individual stars, not teams. That is the business plan.
 
2012-05-30 01:57:13 PM  
I know this is shocking, but there's quite the pattern developing of teams playing in small-to-medium sized markets not getting the same attention as their counterparts who play in larger media markets, even when outplaying said large market counterparts.

In fairness, the writer at least brought this up, but:

It's true that San Antonio remains considerably smaller than New York, Los Angeles, Chicago, or even Dallas and Houston. But it's far from the NBA's smallest market. The San Antonio metropolitan area's 2.2 million inhabitants ranks it above Sacramento, Orlando, Cleveland, Indianapolis, Milwaukee, Memphis, New Orleans, and not least of all Oklahoma City.


Raw population data of a metro market in of itself means little when measuring the overall market size in terms of media penetration and power. For instance, Portland, OR has the same metro pop as San Antonio, but is ranked as the 22nd largest "TV Market" in the US, compared to San Antonio being even behind such mega-metropolises like Orlando and Indianapolis at 36th.
 
2012-05-30 01:59:00 PM  
See, no mention of Cheap Shot Rob, no mention of flopping, and describing Bruce Bowen with the term "grabby hands on the perimeter" rather than "fourth dirtiest player of all time." I assume everything Mr. Yglesias knows about the Spurs comes from an article about the Spurs he read this past week.
 
2012-05-30 02:00:56 PM  

tortilla burger: The SA Spurs aren't even the most successful franchise in Texas


Whatever their payroll, I don't think the Longhorns count as a franchise.
 
2012-05-30 02:04:38 PM  

Gunny Highway: Arkanaut: Eh. I think we don't care because most Americans don't know jack about the city of San Antonio other than the Alamo. And let's be honest -- geography matters. People love to hate on northeast or California teams (or the Cowboys), or root for small market teams like the Twins or the Packers, but San Antonio doesn't fit into either of those categories, so there's nothing that elicits a strong emotional response.

Also, they have possibly the boringest star player in the history of sports.

The NBA fixes games to get SA v. Detroit in the NBA finals. It is a proven fact.


But San Antonio, at least geographically speaking, isn't really a small market. It's a city of 1.3 million people.
 
2012-05-30 02:04:45 PM  
Every single time i read a Slate article, i remember why I don't read Slate articles. They certainly don't let things like facts get in the way of an opinion...damitsomuch


This year's Spurs team somehow managed to earn less recognition than its predecessors even as it has finally demolished the longstanding excuses for America's refusal to embrace our most successful sports franchise.
 
2012-05-30 02:05:36 PM  
If the NBA were a meal, the Spurs would be the vegetables. They're good for you, and you don't necessarily dislike them...but you never find yourself craving them.

Also, they help you poop.
 
2012-05-30 02:06:05 PM  
Dynasties win consecutive championships.
 
2012-05-30 02:07:17 PM  
I want Dwight and Rose back in the playoffs to make the playoffs a battle of the best. I think if Rose was in the playoffs the Heat would be facing off against the Bulls right now. I hope my team gets good value for Dwight in the offseason. I'd also like to see him go to a team with a few pieces in place. Dwight going to the Lakers would be a little cruel. I've adopted the Warriors as my west coast team I hope they get their crap together.
 
2012-05-30 02:11:55 PM  

Devo: I want Dwight and Rose back in the playoffs to make the playoffs a battle of the best. I think if Rose was in the playoffs the Heat would be facing off against the Bulls right now. I hope my team gets good value for Dwight in the offseason. I'd also like to see him go to a team with a few pieces in place. Dwight going to the Lakers would be a little cruel. I've adopted the Warriors as my west coast team I hope they get their crap together.


Rose going down ruined a lot of the excitement I had for these playoffs. I am happy the Celtics are in the ECF but they are going to get backhanded by the Heat.

Pavlovic should see big minutes tonight. Look for Rondo guarding Wade.
 
2012-05-30 02:14:17 PM  

JerseyTim: tortilla burger: The SA Spurs aren't even the most successful franchise in Texas

Whatever their payroll, I don't think the Longhorns count as a franchise.


ZING.
 
2012-05-30 02:21:59 PM  
The fact that they whine a lot - Manu is a master of the flop - and above all else, they play in a smaller market team in Texas has a lot more to do with this team not being liked.

Now the Pacers, if this team stays together and continues to grow they could be something. For the most part the players seem to be decent (sans Psycho T) - they play team ball, but like SA, they are too small of a market - I say this as a Bulls fan who hates the Pacers
 
2012-05-30 02:22:15 PM  

Devo: I want Dwight and Rose back in the playoffs to make the playoffs a battle of the best. I think if Rose was in the playoffs the Heat would be facing off against the Bulls right now. I hope my team gets good value for Dwight in the offseason. I'd also like to see him go to a team with a few pieces in place. Dwight going to the Lakers would be a little cruel. I've adopted the Warriors as my west coast team I hope they get their crap together.


Technically, Rose was in the playoffs.

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2012-05-30 02:22:18 PM  

Nabb1: I don't like the Spurs because they are a conference rival of the Hornets, and on top of that, I've never seen anyone that lobbies and whines to the refs as much as they do.


That kind of describes several NBA franchises there, not to mention several FIFA clubs.

The lobbying, not the having Hornets as a rival.
 
2012-05-30 02:24:37 PM  
Professional sports are about narratives. ESPN never bothered to craft one for the Spurs. And since they have swept the first two opponents they have played, America hasn't really bothered to pay attention to the series that they are in.

I don't understand the point of the article (or any article written by Matthew Yglesias)
 
2012-05-30 02:24:38 PM  
The article makes a point, but its countering a self-constructed concept....
I don't hear people walking around saying, "Hard work and teamwork should be rewarded"...

People root for their home-town team, or another team with stars that they like... That has always been the case.

Most people can acknowledge San Antonio plays the game the right way, but who cares? They've won enough. They have boring players... They are in a small market that most people don't live in.... Why would i have any rooting interest for them?
 
2012-05-30 02:27:22 PM  
1) tim duncan is the best power forward to ever play the game.

2) i like the spurs. i usually don't cheer for them, but i've always thought that they were good and didn't get enough respect.
 
2012-05-30 02:28:51 PM  

Doogled: As fun as it is to watch them pick apart the Thunder, there's honestly not a lot of drama because I don't believe the Spurs have a chance of losing as long as Tony Parker is on the court.


I think they're now something like 45-4 this year when Parker plays. Guessing some of those losses came when Manu was out too.
 
2012-05-30 02:31:17 PM  

GQueue: Doogled: As fun as it is to watch them pick apart the Thunder, there's honestly not a lot of drama because I don't believe the Spurs have a chance of losing as long as Tony Parker is on the court.

I think they're now something like 45-4 this year when Parker plays. Guessing some of those losses came when Manu was out too.


And he is only 30. He is always left out of the top PGs conversation somehow.
 
2012-05-30 02:32:07 PM  

basemetal: I was hoping they were not as good as they looked the last two months........but they damn sure are.


Prisoner of the moment talk, but last night was one of the best played basketball games I've ever seen a team put on. A few too many turnovers, but their scoring seemed pretty effortless.

It is curious why they get no attention. If they played in New York or had an undersized, overhyped power-forward who once recessitated a golden retriever puppy, Skip Bayless would have even more daily orgasms on FT than he already does.
 
2012-05-30 02:35:22 PM  

T.rex: The article makes a point, but its countering a self-constructed concept....
I don't hear people walking around saying, "Hard work and teamwork should be rewarded"...


Lots of people do criticize 1-on-5 hero ball like Iverson played or Carmelo plays.
 
2012-05-30 02:36:43 PM  

A Fark Handle: i like the spurs. i usually don't cheer for them, but i've always thought that they were good and didn't get enough respect.


Gunny Highway: And he is only 30. He is always left out of the top PGs conversation somehow.


PunchDrunkPanda: It is curious why they get no attention. If


One reason answers all questions:

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The flop.


Funny how you have to earn respect, isn't it?
 
2012-05-30 02:39:07 PM  

you have pee hands: T.rex: The article makes a point, but its countering a self-constructed concept....
I don't hear people walking around saying, "Hard work and teamwork should be rewarded"...

Lots of people do criticize 1-on-5 hero ball like Iverson played or Carmelo plays.


I hear it criticized in the context that hero ball is not going to be as effective as team play is... Though, its still fun to watch, as long as its not your team and you're playing against the Spurs.

I'm glad my team plays team ball, and i hope my opponent plays hero ball and loses. The fact that the Spurs play team ball, i respect it, but i don't like it.
 
2012-05-30 02:39:51 PM  

EyeballKid: The flop.

Funny how you have to earn respect, isn't it?


Eh. I am getting tired of all the biatching about flopping and refs.
 
2012-05-30 02:40:10 PM  

EyeballKid: The flop.


Funny how you have to earn respect, isn't it?


...is that a really bad argument or a really bad point, I can't tell.
 
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