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2012-05-30 12:19:29 PM  
7 votes:
I can understand why the Poles are upset at this one much like I can understand that when the president said "Polish death camps" he meant death camps in Poland, not death camps run by the Polish.
2012-05-30 12:31:07 PM  
5 votes:
Wiki article on Polish Death Camp controversy (created 2006)

This has been going on for a pretty long time. So you can be anti-Obama and claim that he should have known that this was an issue, or you can be pro-Obama and claim that it's actually a pretty common thing to say that is understood as describing 'nazi death camps located in Poland' rather than 'death camps run by the Polish government'.

Or you can be a reasonable person and understand that this is an example of people getting their panties in a wad over phrasing rather than substance.
2012-05-30 12:55:00 PM  
4 votes:

MonkeyAngst: I think this is a silly thing to get upset over, but then again I'm not Polish and don't have that history. I think the president should apologize -- and I think he probably will -- and it sounds like as far as the Polish government is concerned, that will be the end of it. No one thinks he meant to offend (with the possible exception of Breitbart.com -- haven't been there to look) and a simple, honest apology would put the matter to rest.


Honestly? He pulled a Sarah Palin. The problem is that as someone who has working on 4 years as President under his belt, shouldn't be making a rookie mistake, and if he made such a mistake anyway, owned it and apologized immediately himself, not through a spokesman.
2012-05-30 12:21:46 PM  
4 votes:
The rest of the world is catching on to the incompetence.
2012-05-30 12:03:58 PM  
4 votes:
Curious, is this something most (or at least a lot of) Poles are pissed about because it's a faux pas, or is the Polish government run by conservatives who dislike Obama and are using this as an excuse to make him look bad?
2012-05-30 04:30:56 PM  
3 votes:

smooshie: Curious, is this something most (or at least a lot of) Poles are pissed about because it's a faux pas, or is the Polish government run by conservatives who dislike Obama and are using this as an excuse to make him look bad?


Lots of Poles are sore on the issue, probably because Western Euros and Americans tend to forget that the majority of the people dying in places like Auschwitz were Polish citizens, and that the Nazis killed millions -millions- of Poles; Jewish and non-Jewish alike. They get a bum rap, often painted broadly with the "sympathizer" brush for the collaboration of the few -as if every Nazi occupied state didn't have collaborators- and anytime a Pole or a historian dares to point out that the Nazis were brutal, if not as brutal, to non-Jewish Poles, or that the Nazis treated them as subhumans fit only for slavery, they get labeled "anti-Semitic" and their argument is tarred as an attempt to lessen the special nature of Jewish suffering under the Nazis.

No one but crazies wants to do that. The entire history profession acknowledges the special horror of the Holocaust, and that's why it has produced endless books documenting, verifying, and analyzing that indescribably crime. But it'd be nice if we could occasionally point out that the Nazis had other victims too, or that Stalin had his own little ethnic cleansing campaign of a much vaster scale, without being accused of being closet genocidalists. The leading English-language historian of Polish history was denied a position at Harvard by just those sorts of arguments, and this sort of unofficial censorship of any attempt to expand the discussion of Nazi atrocities or to rehabilitate the reputation of occupied Poland even a little tends to make people rather more passionate than they'd otherwise be about it.
2012-05-30 04:17:04 PM  
3 votes:

Magorn: Hey Poland, the Death Camp was on your soil, it was therefore a "Polish Death camp"

Don't like that? Then next time grow some balls and spend a little money on your military so you won't be such a weak-sister pushover when the neighborhood bully comes a -conquering. Seriously, horse cavalry against planes and tanks? How the fark did you THINK that was going to work out for you?


That was one division of their military and they actually did pretty well at holding the tank brigade they went up against back. As to being "weak", they were invaded by the two largest armies on the continent -Germany and the Soviets- simultaneously and without formal declaration, which is to say, by surprise. Us being Americans, we have the luxury of never having existed next to powerful and expansionary neighbor, or having our borders overrun from all sides at a hundred points by tanks, commandos, and mechanized infantry battalions, so it's easy for us to call people "weak" and "pansy" for not being able to stand up to a full on blitz. We've been doing the same thing to the French since WWII as well, after all; why spend the time to actually learn what happened when embarrassing ignorance lets us feel so much tougher than everyone else? Can't wave that flag as hard if you don't buy into the childish myth that if you just "want it" hard enough, if you're just "patriotic" enough then numbers, surprise, and statistics cease to matter.

Now that you've wowed me with your sterling military analysis of Poland's double invasion, why don't you follow it up by expounding on how D-Day was the Greatest Battle in history while ignoring the millions killed on the Eastern Front, or on the Master-stroke of post-war diplomacy wherein the Western Powers abandoned Poland and all of Eastern Europe to the tender mercies of Stalin because they were too few, too exhausted, and too cowardly to make a stand on anything?
2012-05-30 02:47:53 PM  
3 votes:
The Nazis killed nearly 3 million non-Jewish Poles during the course of the war. The vast majority of them were civilians and where not killed in actual war fighting (the invasion was over after five weeks). So, when people ask why Poles didn't stop the German genocide, they're kind of missing the point. The Poles were second on the victim list and were being killed with almost as much gusto.
2012-05-30 01:48:56 PM  
3 votes:

rka:

Ok, the Polish want to biatch about semantics. Fine. Offer the standard "I'm sorry you are butthurt" apology and move on.


He offered them an apology and they wouldn't take it.

Now its time to tell them... Hey, if you want to be a a-hole and damage the reputation between our countries over this, then you go right ahead. We'll remember this next time we have something you want, which happens more often than us wanting something you have.
2012-05-30 01:13:40 PM  
3 votes:

iheartscotch: Magorn: Hey Poland, the Death Camp was on your soil, it was therefore a "Polish Death camp"

Don't like that? Then next time grow some balls and spend a little money on your military so you won't be such a weak-sister pushover when the neighborhood bully comes a -conquering. Seriously, horse cavalry against planes and tanks? How the fark did you THINK that was going to work out for you?

Not that I have a horse in this one; but they did get invaded by the Nazis and the Russians AT THE SAME TIME. Then they got invaded the rest of the way by the Nazis. Then they got re-invaded by the Russians. Then, they were part of the soviet block from 1945-1989. Poland in 1939 had suffered heavily from the collapse of the german economy following WW 1. With what money and what technology were they supposed to arm themselves with?

/ I do agree that they bear some responsibility for their situation; but, there was no way for them to defend themselves. They were completely lacking in men, material and technology


While in the meantime, their insanely brave pilots almost single handedly saved the UK during the darkest days of the Battle of Britain, their mathematicians were essential to cracking Enigma, their scientists (Ulam) helped give America the A Bomb, their trade unionists under impossible odds stood up to the Soviets*, and they put a Pope in place who stood for human and religious freedom and survived a KGB assassination attempt during one of the lowest points of the Cold War for the West*.

In return for this, they make the outrageous and clearly racist demand that Obama not refer to Nazi death camps in Poland as Polish.

* would explain why Fark Libs hate them so much

/oh yeah - and one of their generals helped America wins its independence
//how does one say "You're farking Welcome" in polish?
2012-05-30 01:10:03 PM  
3 votes:
Polish Foreign Minister Radek Sikorski called it a matter of "ignorance and incompetence."

As a Polish-American let me say; Minister Sikorski, you are an asshole. He misspoke, no reason to start hurling insults. This is international diplomacy, name calling for the sake of itself?
2012-05-30 12:29:43 PM  
3 votes:

Magorn: Seriously, horse cavalry against planes and tanks?


That whole "Polish cavalry charged tanks!" crap was actually Nazi propaganda that the allies then also leaped upon to explain why Germany did so well early on in the war; "No, of course the Nazi war machine isn't unstoppable! it's just that everyone they've fought so far was really dumb!".

The polish had cavalry, as did many other armies, but they dismounted to fight. The horses were just a means of transportation.
2012-05-30 12:28:33 PM  
3 votes:

seumasokelly: I can understand why the Poles are upset at this one much like I can understand that when the president said "Polish death camps" he meant death camps in Poland, not death camps run by the Polish.


Right. There were no Polish nazis, no Polish guards, and no Poles that helped round up the Jews in Poland. It was all Germans.

Keep whitewashing guys. Eventually, people will believe you. After all, it worked for France.
2012-05-30 12:27:16 PM  
3 votes:
Polish death camps, corpse men, 57 states... your mesiah is on a roll. Now get back to circle jerking yourselves into a frenzy defending him.
2012-05-30 12:25:29 PM  
3 votes:

smooshie: Curious, is this something most (or at least a lot of) Poles are pissed about because it's a faux pas, or is the Polish government run by conservatives who dislike Obama and are using this as an excuse to make him look bad?


its the former really. Poland has been trying to change the way the camps are refered for years because they feel (probably correctly) that phrasing it "Polish death camps" implies that Poland was running them or at the least an active collaborator in their creation/administration. This situation allows them to get a lot of publicity for their campaign to change that.
2012-05-30 12:24:45 PM  
3 votes:
Hey Poland, the Death Camp was on your soil, it was therefore a "Polish Death camp"

Don't like that? Then next time grow some balls and spend a little money on your military so you won't be such a weak-sister pushover when the neighborhood bully comes a -conquering. Seriously, horse cavalry against planes and tanks? How the fark did you THINK that was going to work out for you?
2012-05-30 04:04:04 PM  
2 votes:
It doesn't help that he chose to stay home and golf instead of going to Poland's leader's funeral.
2012-05-30 04:01:58 PM  
2 votes:

Bad_Seed: The Nazis killed nearly 3 million non-Jewish Poles during the course of the war. The vast majority of them were civilians and where not killed in actual war fighting (the invasion was over after five weeks). So, when people ask why Poles didn't stop the German genocide, they're kind of missing the point. The Poles were second on the victim list and were being killed with almost as much gusto.


This.
2012-05-30 03:35:07 PM  
2 votes:

rudemix: Profedius: For those saying this was a minor screw up it is not in the eyes of the Polish people they suffered greatly at the hands of the Germans and Russians and then again by the Russians. What he said would be similar to saying the black run slave trade in a speech to the black caucus. Though in that example there is some truth since it was the Africans who sold their people into slavery. To make a statement about Polish people working with the Germans to imply that Polish people ran the camps as a justification for what he said is so ignorant as to defy all logic. The person who wrote that speech for him should have known better about the passions and sensitivity over the issue, but Obama also should have realized how incorrect the statement was and that no nation that was occupied would want to be associated with the torture and murder of millions of people. Even Germans do not want to be associated with it, but they have no choice in the matter.

Kielce Pogrom
Bialystok Pogrom
Siedlce Pogrom

There is murderous anti-semitism in Poland prior to, and after, WWII. What reason were they not killing Jews during WWII? Because they were in no position to. For a brief period of your troubled history, Poland, you were not killing Jews, let's not play the indignant country game now.


You sure are offended that someone is calling Obama out on a gaffe, aren't you?
2012-05-30 03:27:42 PM  
2 votes:
This has probably been posted by this time, but I'm with Sikorski (from TFA): Polish Foreign Minister Radek Sikorski called it a matter of "ignorance and incompetence."
2012-05-30 03:00:23 PM  
2 votes:
Amercia
2012-05-30 02:56:08 PM  
2 votes:
On behalf of the 48% of Americans who knew Obama was an unqualified idiot three years ago, I'd like to apologize to Poland for the other 52%.
2012-05-30 02:23:45 PM  
2 votes:

CrazyCracka420: So instead of saying "death camps in Poland" he said "Polish death camps"

everybody panic


The problem is that the Polish are a bunch of grammar Nazis.
2012-05-30 02:09:49 PM  
2 votes:

Magorn: Hey Poland, the Death Camp was on your soil, it was therefore a "Polish Death camp"

Don't like that? Then next time grow some balls and spend a little money on your military so you won't be such a weak-sister pushover when the neighborhood bully comes a -conquering. Seriously, horse cavalry against planes and tanks? How the fark did you THINK that was going to work out for you?


Ramstein Air Base is a United States Air Force (USAF) base in the German state of Rheinland-Pfalz.

So you would say it was a German Air Force Base?
2012-05-30 02:02:53 PM  
2 votes:

poot_rootbeer: Callous: I'm not convinced that they will get any kind of public apology from Obama himself. I don't think his ego will allow it.

I thought the talking point was that Obama is the "Apologist-In-Chief", who's been ruining our reputation overseas by saying America is sorry for everything it's ever did, including the stuff we had no reason to regret doing because it was right?


You never noticed he only apologizes for things previous administrations did?
rka
2012-05-30 01:43:28 PM  
2 votes:

Profedius: For those saying this was a minor screw up it is not in the eyes of the Polish people they suffered greatly at the hands of the Germans and Russians and then again by the Russians. What he said would be similar to saying the black run slave trade in a speech to the black caucus


No it wouldn't. He said Polish death camps. He didn't say polish run death camps. You don't get to insert the word "run" to twist the analogy in order to make absurd points.

In your example, it would be akin to "black slave trade"....which we say ALL THE TIME. But, even though historians know that some African nations were the suppliers of the slaves no one thinks of it as the "black run slave trade" in most contexts. Does anyone with even a smattering of knowledge about WWII seriously equate "Polish Death Camps" with the notion that they were run by Poland? No. No one who's opinion you'd even remotely consider as important would think that. It is foolish pendatry being trotted out by the perpetually outraged.

Ok, the Polish want to biatch about semantics. Fine. Offer the standard "I'm sorry you are butthurt" apology and move on.
2012-05-30 01:43:11 PM  
2 votes:

minoridiot: The Jami Turman Fan Club: seumasokelly: I can understand why the Poles are upset at this one much like I can understand that when the president said "Polish death camps" he meant death camps in Poland, not death camps run by the Polish.

Right. There were no Polish nazis, no Polish guards, and no Poles that helped round up the Jews in Poland. It was all Germans.

Keep whitewashing guys. Eventually, people will believe you. After all, it worked for France.

Actually, there were Polish death camps which were independant of nazi rule.


My point was the real reason that the Poles get upset about "Polish Death Camps" is because they're trying to make people forget that there really were ones run by Poles. The Germans couldn't have run the death camps there without the assistance of the Poles.

The French and Polish resistances had to worry about Nazi sympathizers and collaborators more than they did about Germans. Now, those countries want you to remember the Resistance and forget about the many who supported the Nazis.
2012-05-30 01:22:56 PM  
2 votes:
He pulled a Sarah Palin.

no, he didn't.

Palin would have said something about how we're going to get own own death camps if we don't stop the libruls because freedom and that's what i intend to bring about is real change for working class Polish so you can have camps of your own, to go hunting in, like Todd and I do, and have you ever had moose? it's like deer but bigger and i think Bullwinkle was a moose, but rocky wasn't, and they fought the Russians, which you know all about here in Polonia and the communists that Ronald Reagan defeated single-handledly by standing firm and telling Gorbachev to tear down the wall that was dividing Poland from West German needed to go and freedom reigns. god bless you all!
2012-05-30 01:20:16 PM  
2 votes:

highendmighty: beta_plus: highendmighty: I love the comments in this thread. Great puns, jokes -- well done!

I can't stand Obama. BUT
this is such an idiotic thing to get upset about. He mispoke a little. Everyone knows by the context that by 'Polish,' he was denoting those camps in Poland.
Maybe because people are so used to his being a great orator, with skills far better than those of his predecessor, his errors stand out more. Brave medal earners can be so sensitive.

I have to disagree. He's our chief diplomat (you know - the whole right to make treaties in Article 2). That he didn't even do the most basic homework on Poles and Polish culture is a major screw up on his part. Anyone who knows anything about Poland knows how angry they get about Nazi concentration camps being described as Polish.

I can't disagree with you that he's our chief diplomat, and as such, should use words wisely and in an educated manner. But describing "the camps built by Polish slave labor with Polish resources on Polish land, while administered by Nazi's of the Third Reich" seems a bit long-winded. There are plenty of issues on which to attack Obama - I just think this one is just embarrassingly petty.


Unfortunately, he and his supporters demand exactly that when their historic issues are referred to. They shouldn't dish it out if they can't take it.
2012-05-30 01:08:56 PM  
2 votes:
Manufactured outrage, meant to attempt to divert attention to the fact that even FRANCE resisted the Nazis more strongly than Poland, and tried harder to liberate itself once overrun. Why weren't there Death Camps in France? Could it be that that, unlike in Poland, the Nazis couldn't find any locals to help build them?
2012-05-30 01:08:39 PM  
2 votes:

Magorn: Hey Poland, the Death Camp was on your soil, it was therefore a "Polish Death camp"

Don't like that? Then next time grow some balls and spend a little money on your military so you won't be such a weak-sister pushover when the neighborhood bully comes a -conquering. Seriously, horse cavalry against planes and tanks? How the fark did you THINK that was going to work out for you?


From what i understand the charging the German tanks on horseback never happened. That was a scene from a Nazi propaganda film that was made about the invasion of Poland and was meant to dehumanize the Polish people in the eyes of the German citizens.
2012-05-30 01:00:01 PM  
2 votes:

highendmighty: I love the comments in this thread. Great puns, jokes -- well done!

I can't stand Obama. BUT
this is such an idiotic thing to get upset about. He mispoke a little. Everyone knows by the context that by 'Polish,' he was denoting those camps in Poland.
Maybe because people are so used to his being a great orator, with skills far better than those of his predecessor, his errors stand out more. Brave medal earners can be so sensitive.


I have to disagree. He's our chief diplomat (you know - the whole right to make treaties in Article 2). That he didn't even do the most basic homework on Poles and Polish culture is a major screw up on his part. Anyone who knows anything about Poland knows how angry they get about Nazi concentration camps being described as Polish.
2012-05-30 12:56:16 PM  
2 votes:
For those saying this was a minor screw up it is not in the eyes of the Polish people they suffered greatly at the hands of the Germans and Russians and then again by the Russians. What he said would be similar to saying the black run slave trade in a speech to the black caucus. Though in that example there is some truth since it was the Africans who sold their people into slavery. To make a statement about Polish people working with the Germans to imply that Polish people ran the camps as a justification for what he said is so ignorant as to defy all logic. The person who wrote that speech for him should have known better about the passions and sensitivity over the issue, but Obama also should have realized how incorrect the statement was and that no nation that was occupied would want to be associated with the torture and murder of millions of people. Even Germans do not want to be associated with it, but they have no choice in the matter.
2012-05-30 12:54:05 PM  
2 votes:

hdhale: OBL - No credit. Anyone capable of nodding 'yes' could have accomplished everything that Obama did to bring down OBL.


Then why the *&^%$#@! didn't Dubya do it?

Answer:
I don't know where bin Laden is. I have no idea and really don't care. It's not that important. It's not our priority.
- G.W. Bush, 3/13/02
2012-05-30 12:50:38 PM  
2 votes:

Satanic_Hamster: Jimmy Carter


Jimmy Carter was a great president and a good man. The effort to smear his name says more about the smearer than the smearee. Mostly it says "I don't pay attention to politics, and also am mean and spiteful for no good reason".
2012-05-30 12:46:03 PM  
2 votes:
I think this is a silly thing to get upset over, but then again I'm not Polish and don't have that history. I think the president should apologize -- and I think he probably will -- and it sounds like as far as the Polish government is concerned, that will be the end of it. No one thinks he meant to offend (with the possible exception of Breitbart.com -- haven't been there to look) and a simple, honest apology would put the matter to rest.
2012-05-30 12:40:13 PM  
2 votes:

beta_plus: Poor Fark Libs. The monster they created of hounding Bush for every time he misspoke is coming back to haunt them.


yeah, except this isn't a "misspoke" it is a lack of understanding of history.
2012-05-30 12:40:00 PM  
2 votes:

Magorn: Hey Poland, the Death Camp was on your soil, it was therefore a "Polish Death camp"

Don't like that? Then next time grow some balls and spend a little money on your military so you won't be such a weak-sister pushover when the neighborhood bully comes a -conquering. Seriously, horse cavalry against planes and tanks? How the fark did you THINK that was going to work out for you?


Poland wasn't a rich nation, and really hadn't been in existence in the modern sense for very long.(wwI) When they did go against Hitler, they knew they had no chance but fought long enough to get their Air Force out and their government out. They had some the top pilots. In fact the RAF leading ace was one of the Polish pilots.
2012-05-30 12:33:46 PM  
2 votes:

wambu: Obama -- honest mistake
Bush -- incompetent
Quayle -- everybody agrees he's a dumbass


This illustrates the Left's strategy: defend Obama's actions, yet launch ad hominem attacks against Republicans. "Honest mistake" vs. "dumbass", there's a difference and it's important.
2012-05-30 12:25:10 PM  
2 votes:
In obama's defense, he was reading off a
teleprompter....ouch. Go on and spin it libs
2012-05-30 12:23:29 PM  
2 votes:
FTFA Anxious to quell the controversy, the White House also noted that the president had visited the Warsaw Ghetto Memorial while in Poland and that he has repeatedly discussed the bravery of Poles during World War II.

He better hurry up and point out that he has Polish friends.
2012-05-30 12:22:58 PM  
2 votes:

SkinnyHead: Obama is becoming Jimmy Carter.


Your life isn't worth living.
2012-05-30 12:20:34 PM  
2 votes:
Maybe Poland can be Obama's 58th State.
2012-05-30 11:36:28 AM  
2 votes:
Obama is becoming Jimmy Carter.
2012-05-30 10:29:39 AM  
2 votes:
His speech clearly needed some more polish.
2012-05-30 06:52:07 PM  
1 votes:
I'm wondering if this is a simple translation error. Polish, like most Slavic languages, has seven separate noun cases. So, there may be confusion between two different phrases using a different case for "Poland" (disclaimer--I don't speak Polish, just relying on some old college ed and a Google translator here):

Obóz śmierci w Polsce = "death camp in Poland" (locative case)
Obóz śmierci Polski = "death camp of Poland's" (genitive case)

Since English is pretty sparse on noun cases, the phrase "Polish death camp" can mean either "a death camp in Poland" or "a death camp of Poland's". A Polish translator may have accidentally translated Obama's words using the genitive when they should've used the locative.
2012-05-30 04:32:21 PM  
1 votes:
fat boy Smartest
Funniest
2012-05-30 12:17:18 PM


You know who else had death camps?


FEMA?

After 3+ years in office, there really is no excuse for this level of incompetence to still be exhibited by the WH staff and the President himself.
2012-05-30 03:34:07 PM  
1 votes:

Magorn: iheartscotch: Magorn: Hey Poland, the Death Camp was on your soil, it was therefore a "Polish Death camp"

Don't like that? Then next time grow some balls and spend a little money on your military so you won't be such a weak-sister pushover when the neighborhood bully comes a -conquering. Seriously, horse cavalry against planes and tanks? How the fark did you THINK that was going to work out for you?

Not that I have a horse in this one; but they did get invaded by the Nazis and the Russians AT THE SAME TIME. Then they got invaded the rest of the way by the Nazis. Then they got re-invaded by the Russians. Then, they were part of the soviet block from 1945-1989. Poland in 1939 had suffered heavily from the collapse of the german economy following WW 1. With what money and what technology were they supposed to arm themselves with?

/ I do agree that they bear some responsibility for their situation; but, there was no way for them to defend themselves. They were completely lacking in men, material and technology

They did have one of the best trained officer corps in Europe (why Stalin mowed them down in the forest) . Had the recognized the situation was hopeless from the jump (and it was) they should have disbanded the military, reorganzied it into guerilla cells, cached weapons and materials all throughout the country and then spent the rest of the war inflicting merry hell on Nazi and Soviet supply lines. It worked for Tito in Yugoslavia, and he got to keep his country afterwards.


I am not defending polish collaborators by any means; but they still had the Napolionic mindset in the beginning. Under those rules; disbanding and becoming a guerrilla force would have been percieved, rightly or wrongly, as cowardice.

/ hind-sight is always 20-20
2012-05-30 03:23:56 PM  
1 votes:
While I feel it was an innocent mistake, considering Poland's tradition of being the butt of so many jokes and stereotypes, I can understand why they are a bit "touchy" when it comes to situations such as this,
2012-05-30 03:07:37 PM  
1 votes:

Infernalist: Does anyone actually think that the President meant "Death Camps that were run by the Polish"?

Of course not. No one actually thinks he meant that. So, all we have is a bunch of whiners taking offense at phrasing rather than substance.

GTFO and come back with something of substance, meatheads.


He's our chief diplomat. He's supposed to know or hire someone competent to know to tell him that Poles REALLY do not like the term "Polish Death Camps". This is about the offensive equivalent of giving the thumbs up sign to an Middle Easterner.

/Of course, everyone knows that thanks to the Intercontinental railroad that linked the 57 states to Hawaii in Asia and France in Europe America was able to send the Marine Corpse to liberate the Polish Death Camps and defeat the Austrian speaking Austrians, which proved critical later in America helping Britain keep the Maldives off the coast of Argentina
rka
2012-05-30 03:00:20 PM  
1 votes:

manwithplanx: any legitimate criticisms


This is legitimate? Its a sideshow.

manwithplanx: legitimate criticisms to heart as we would expect demand our allies


When is any demand by the United States, to any country in the world, on any subject, not met with derision and outright contempt by every non-US person within reach of an internet connection?

The US could declare International Puppy and Kitten Day and the rest of the world would refuse on principle alone.
2012-05-30 02:58:14 PM  
1 votes:
what do the people who were imprisoned there call it? because that is what it should be called.

the semantics of " (insert ethnicity) death camp" shouldn't be a political football.
2012-05-30 02:57:39 PM  
1 votes:
O' here we go!
the mental gymnasts of the Conservative flock will be so elated with their wit
all the while acting & looking like more the fool than they point their fingers at


/when you got nothing, you act like you have everything, right Ctards?
2012-05-30 02:56:56 PM  
1 votes:

kbronsito: America fought both the Nazis and the Japanese. You didn´t see any death camps in America did you? (we did have some internment camps... but we ran those ourselves). No excuses... man up, Poland.


The US operated concentration camps in Germany, Australia, and New Zealand.
2012-05-30 02:28:49 PM  
1 votes:

mccallcl: JustGetItRight: but the accomplishments you tout aren't much to brag on either

Ending the War in Iraq, killing Osama bin Laden and restoring our reputation not enough for you?

How about data.gov? Find a way to shiat on that!


Who's shiatting on anything? He got Osama and deserves the credit. As far as ending Iraq goes, you're actually touting managing to shave 13 days off the schedule signed by Bush as an accomplishment? Really?

One guy posted that he's been a disaster, another posted that he was pretty much a miracle worker. The truth is that he's been neither.

Oh, and I don't give a rat's rear end what the rest of the world thinks.
2012-05-30 02:07:06 PM  
1 votes:

tlchwi02: Poland has been trying to change the way the camps are referred for years because they feel (probably correctly) that phrasing it "Polish death camps" implies that Poland was running them or at the least an active collaborator in their creation/administration. .


At least some sure didn't sit quietly as Jews were hauled into the camps. You can't tell me they didn't know what was happening. Considering the antisemitism before and after the war, it is obvious that there were some Poles, including their leaders (so to phrase it), who were not only happy about the camps but were eager to point the Jews out to the Nazis. And while I know there were Poles who helped the Jews and refused to participate and help the Nazis, the fact remains that there were Polish collaborators who helped take actions that led to the genocide at the death camps in Poland.

Yes the President may have misspoken, but the truth hurts sometimes. It was another time, most who participated are gone now. Get over it.
2012-05-30 02:05:18 PM  
1 votes:
You guys are missing the point, "Polish Death Camps" in Polish is:

Polskich obozach śmierci
2012-05-30 01:58:25 PM  
1 votes:
beta_plus wishes Quaddafi was back in power, blowing up civilian airliners and shelling his own cities. good times.
2012-05-30 01:54:44 PM  
1 votes:

JustGetItRight: but the accomplishments you tout aren't much to brag on either


Ending the War in Iraq, killing Osama bin Laden and restoring our reputation not enough for you?

How about data.gov? Find a way to shiat on that!
2012-05-30 01:47:01 PM  
1 votes:

SkinnyHead: Obama is becoming Jimmy Carter.


Nah - he's not that good of a president.
2012-05-30 01:43:53 PM  
1 votes:
Obama you fool! Those Polish people will never vote for you now.

You know who knew how to show some respect?

img.photobucket.com
2012-05-30 01:38:34 PM  
1 votes:

cleek: He pulled a Sarah Palin.

no, he didn't.

Palin would have said something about how we're going to get own own death camps if we don't stop the libruls because freedom and that's what i intend to bring about is real change for working class Polish so you can have camps of your own, to go hunting in, like Todd and I do, and have you ever had moose? it's like deer but bigger and i think Bullwinkle was a moose, but rocky wasn't, and they fought the Russians, which you know all about here in Polonia and the communists that Ronald Reagan defeated single-handledly by standing firm and telling Gorbachev to tear down the wall that was dividing Poland from West German needed to go and freedom reigns. god bless you all!


Palin would claim she was technically correct and her people would be off to war on wikipedia.
2012-05-30 01:20:23 PM  
1 votes:

Callous: I'm not convinced that they will get any kind of public apology from Obama himself. I don't think his ego will allow it.


I thought the talking point was that Obama is the "Apologist-In-Chief", who's been ruining our reputation overseas by saying America is sorry for everything it's ever did, including the stuff we had no reason to regret doing because it was right?
2012-05-30 01:16:38 PM  
1 votes:

CrazyCracka420: So instead of saying "death camps in Poland" he said "Polish death camps"

everybody panic


Said by a person of color, not a colored person... no less.
2012-05-30 01:10:14 PM  
1 votes:

iheartscotch: Magorn: Hey Poland, the Death Camp was on your soil, it was therefore a "Polish Death camp"

Don't like that? Then next time grow some balls and spend a little money on your military so you won't be such a weak-sister pushover when the neighborhood bully comes a -conquering. Seriously, horse cavalry against planes and tanks? How the fark did you THINK that was going to work out for you?

Not that I have a horse in this one; but they did get invaded by the Nazis and the Russians AT THE SAME TIME. Then they got invaded the rest of the way by the Nazis. Then they got re-invaded by the Russians. Then, they were part of the soviet block from 1945-1989. Poland in 1939 had suffered heavily from the collapse of the german economy following WW 1. With what money and what technology were they supposed to arm themselves with?

/ I do agree that they bear some responsibility for their situation; but, there was no way for them to defend themselves. They were completely lacking in men, material and technology


They did have one of the best trained officer corps in Europe (why Stalin mowed them down in the forest) . Had the recognized the situation was hopeless from the jump (and it was) they should have disbanded the military, reorganzied it into guerilla cells, cached weapons and materials all throughout the country and then spent the rest of the war inflicting merry hell on Nazi and Soviet supply lines. It worked for Tito in Yugoslavia, and he got to keep his country afterwards.
2012-05-30 01:09:15 PM  
1 votes:

RibbyK: pciszek: According to contemporary accounts, the average Pole-on-the-street was all for killing as many Jews as possible.

Citation needed.


Link

With the influence of the Endecja party growing, antisemitism gathered new momentum in Poland and was most felt in smaller towns and spheres in which Jews came into direct contact with Poles, such as in Polish schools or on the sports field. Further academic harassment, such as the introduction of ghetto benches, which forced Jewish students to sit in section of the lecture halls reserved exclusively for them, anti-Jewish riots, and semi-official or unofficial quotas (Numerus clausus) introduced in 1937 in some universities halved the number of Jews in Polish universities between independence and the late 1930s. The restrictions were so inclusive that, while Jews made up 20.4% of the student population in 1928, by 1937 their share was down to only 7.5%.

Although many Jews were educated, they were excluded from most of the relevant occupations, including the government bureaucracy. A good number therefore turned to the liberal professions, particularly medicine and law. In 1937 the Catholic trade unions of Polish doctors and lawyers restricted their new members to Christian Poles (in a similar manner the Jewish trade unions excluded non-Jewish professionals from their ranks after 1918). A series of professional and trade unions, including those for lawyers and physicians, enacted "Aryan clauses" expelling Polish Jews from their ranks. The bulk of Jewish workers were organized in Jewish trade unions under the influence of the Jewish Labor Bund, which recognized the special cultural needs of the Jewish population, as well as special conditions arising from official discrimination against Jews in certain professions. Jews were virtually excluded from Polish government jobs during this period.

Complex and long history shaped Polish attitudes towards the Jews and Jewish attitudes towards the Poles, but the anti-Jewish sentiment in Poland had reached its zenith in the years leading to the Second World War. Between 1935 and 1937 seventy-nine Jews were killed and 500 injured in anti-Jewish incidents. National policy was such that jobless Jews, who largely worked at home or in small shops due to discrimination in employment, were excluded from welfare benefits.
2012-05-30 01:06:26 PM  
1 votes:
What's really going on is Blahsident Borat 0Bongo is shaming Poland publicly in retaliation for Lech Walesa embarrassing communist Russia at the tail end of the cold war. This is nothing more than History's Greatest Monster letting his communistic fangs draw blood in revenge!
2012-05-30 01:03:47 PM  
1 votes:

Profedius: For those saying this was a minor screw up it is not in the eyes of the Polish people they suffered greatly at the hands of the Germans and Russians and then again by the Russians. What he said would be similar to saying the black run slave trade in a speech to the black caucus. Though in that example there is some truth since it was the Africans who sold their people into slavery. To make a statement about Polish people working with the Germans to imply that Polish people ran the camps as a justification for what he said is so ignorant as to defy all logic. The person who wrote that speech for him should have known better about the passions and sensitivity over the issue, but Obama also should have realized how incorrect the statement was and that no nation that was occupied would want to be associated with the torture and murder of millions of people. Even Germans do not want to be associated with it, but they have no choice in the matter.


Kielce Pogrom
Bialystok Pogrom
Siedlce Pogrom

There is murderous anti-semitism in Poland prior to, and after, WWII. What reason were they not killing Jews during WWII? Because they were in no position to. For a brief period of your troubled history, Poland, you were not killing Jews, let's not play the indignant country game now.
2012-05-30 12:59:33 PM  
1 votes:

dericwater: When I first glanced at the "faux pas" on HuffPost, I didn't understand what the gaffe was about. "Polish Death Camps" made perfect sense to me in that they referred to Nazi death camps in Poland, like in Auschwitz or Treblinka or Majdanek or Chelmno.

Was it not clear?


Apparently the Poles saw the inclusion of the word "Polish" to indicate ownership rather than location.
2012-05-30 12:58:03 PM  
1 votes:

iheartscotch: I do agree that they bear some responsibility for their situation; but, there was no way for them to defend themselves. They were completely lacking in men, material and technology


According to contemporary accounts, the average Pole-on-the-street was all for killing as many Jews as possible.
2012-05-30 12:57:48 PM  
1 votes:
When I first glanced at the "faux pas" on HuffPost, I didn't understand what the gaffe was about. "Polish Death Camps" made perfect sense to me in that they referred to Nazi death camps in Poland, like in Auschwitz or Treblinka or Majdanek or Chelmno.

Was it not clear?
2012-05-30 12:53:55 PM  
1 votes:

Magorn: Hey Poland, the Death Camp was on your soil, it was therefore a "Polish Death camp"

Don't like that? Then next time grow some balls and spend a little money on your military so you won't be such a weak-sister pushover when the neighborhood bully comes a -conquering. Seriously, horse cavalry against planes and tanks? How the fark did you THINK that was going to work out for you?


Not that I have a horse in this one; but they did get invaded by the Nazis and the Russians AT THE SAME TIME. Then they got invaded the rest of the way by the Nazis. Then they got re-invaded by the Russians. Then, they were part of the soviet block from 1945-1989. Poland in 1939 had suffered heavily from the collapse of the german economy following WW 1. With what money and what technology were they supposed to arm themselves with?

/ I do agree that they bear some responsibility for their situation; but, there was no way for them to defend themselves. They were completely lacking in men, material and technology
2012-05-30 12:52:35 PM  
1 votes:

tenpoundsofcheese: beta_plus: Poor Fark Libs. The monster they created of hounding Bush for every time he misspoke is coming back to haunt them.

yeah, except this isn't a "misspoke" it is a lack of understanding of history.


It is neither a case of misspeaking or a lack of understanding of history. It was a matter of phrasing, everybody knew what he meant. And now some people in Poland want to jump on this to bring attention to themselves, and the Obama haters in the U.S want to use it to try to discredit Obama.
2012-05-30 12:52:20 PM  
1 votes:

MonkeyAngst: I think this is a silly thing to get upset over, but then again I'm not Polish and don't have that history. I think the president should apologize -- and I think he probably will -- and it sounds like as far as the Polish government is concerned, that will be the end of it. No one thinks he meant to offend (with the possible exception of Breitbart.com -- haven't been there to look) and a simple, honest apology would put the matter to rest.


I don't think anyone honestly believes that he intended to offend the Poles ot infer that they were in any way responsible for the death camps. But I'm not convinced that they will get any kind of public apology from Obama himself. I don't think his ego will allow it. I think a statement from the White House is about the best they can expect.
2012-05-30 12:48:06 PM  
1 votes:

Darth_Lukecash: Magorn: Hey Poland, the Death Camp was on your soil, it was therefore a "Polish Death camp"

Don't like that? Then next time grow some balls and spend a little money on your military so you won't be such a weak-sister pushover when the neighborhood bully comes a -conquering. Seriously, horse cavalry against planes and tanks? How the fark did you THINK that was going to work out for you?

Poland wasn't a rich nation, and really hadn't been in existence in the modern sense for very long.(wwI) When they did go against Hitler, they knew they had no chance but fought long enough to get their Air Force out and their government out. They had some the top pilots. In fact the RAF leading ace was one of the Polish pilots.


Okay, to be fair, the Polish pilots were some of the most effective of WWII and it was the remnants of the Polish secret service that stole the Enigma machine. Individually the Poles were some tough bastards (see also the Warsaw uprising) but as a nation they made some very poor choices before WWII. Had they made different ones, they might have effectively been a very effective guerilla army that paralyzed Nazi operations in thier country (though what Stalin did in the Katyn forest didn't help that either)
2012-05-30 12:46:02 PM  
1 votes:

seumasokelly: I can understand why the Poles are upset at this one much like I can understand that when the president said "Polish death camps" he meant death camps in Poland, not death camps run by the Polish.


Not meant to be a telepromter crack in the least, but whoever loaded that phrasing in there should be farking fired.
2012-05-30 12:45:48 PM  
1 votes:

Corvus: SkinnyHead: Obama is becoming Jimmy Carter.

OBL - Killed
Qaddafi - overthrown relatively cheap
Iraq War - Closed
Afghanistan war - Winding down.
World Opinion - Much higher than under Bush

Yeah he is a foreign policy nightmare. Keep repeating your talking point. Maybe someone will believe it if you repeat it enough.


OBL - No credit. Anyone capable of nodding 'yes' could have accomplished everything that Obama did to bring down OBL. Credit to US military, CIA.
Qaddafi - That was a NATO mission. Credit goes to the resistance fighters on the ground and the military forces required to carry out the mission.
Iraq War - Pretty much won before Obama took office. No credit (don't worry, Bush doesn't get much either). All credit goes to the US military.
Afghanistan War - Tell that to the Taliban and Pakistan, they seem to think they are still in the fight. For what has been accomplished, credit to US military and its NATO allies that stayed the course.
World Opinion - Initially higher under Obama, now significantly lower than when he took office. Hard to assign credit, given his tendency to bend over and spread cheeks for China, Russia, and too many other people. Anyone can be loved if they always let you walk over them.

So really the vast majority of credit goes to the U.S. military, which Obama sees fit to reward by slashing their budget (at least we'll have drones to fight with I guess? assuming they don't get jammed and fly for a landing in enemy territory, eh?). At least Carter allowed some military modernizations to go forward. Your taking points aren't so much talking points as cult of personality.
2012-05-30 12:43:53 PM  
1 votes:

cleek: this is yet another dumb-ass "conservative" nontroversy.


Oh really? WASHINGTON -- The Polish prime minister is demanding a "stronger, more pointed response" from President Obama after he referred to "Polish death camps" during a White House ceremony Tuesday. Link
2012-05-30 12:43:07 PM  
1 votes:
it is a lack of understanding of history.

*tweet*. mind-reading. 20 yard penalty. loss of down.
2012-05-30 12:42:02 PM  
1 votes:

drayno76: It takes a ni**er to fark up a Pollock joke.


cstrips.bitstrips.com
2012-05-30 12:39:19 PM  
1 votes:
it was not a mistake or a gaffe at all. anybody who speaks English knows exactly what the words meant. any other interpretation is intellectual dishonesty.

this is yet another dumb-ass "conservative" nontroversy.
2012-05-30 12:39:07 PM  
1 votes:

Callous: FTFA Anxious to quell the controversy, the White House also noted that the president had visited the Warsaw Ghetto Memorial while in Poland and that he has repeatedly discussed the bravery of Poles during World War II.

He better hurry up and point out that he has Polish friends.


and that he only drinks Poland Springs Water.
2012-05-30 12:39:01 PM  
1 votes:
Poor Fark Libs. The monster they created of hounding Bush for every time he misspoke is coming back to haunt them.
2012-05-30 12:36:00 PM  
1 votes:
I love the comments in this thread. Great puns, jokes -- well done!

I can't stand Obama. BUT
this is such an idiotic thing to get upset about. He mispoke a little. Everyone knows by the context that by 'Polish,' he was denoting those camps in Poland.
Maybe because people are so used to his being a great orator, with skills far better than those of his predecessor, his errors stand out more. Brave medal earners can be so sensitive.
2012-05-30 12:35:36 PM  
1 votes:
This coming from the guy who whined during the 2008 campaign that the international community doesn't like us and he was going to fix all that.
2012-05-30 12:33:18 PM  
1 votes:

Gunther: Magorn: Seriously, horse cavalry against planes and tanks?

That whole "Polish cavalry charged tanks!" crap was actually Nazi propaganda that the allies then also leaped upon to explain why Germany did so well early on in the war; "No, of course the Nazi war machine isn't unstoppable! it's just that everyone they've fought so far was really dumb!".

The polish had cavalry, as did many other armies, but they dismounted to fight. The horses were just a means of transportation.


The way I've heard it the German tanks were getting bogged down in the mud, and the horses were able to move freely to avoid fire and get close to use explosives. Advantage: Poland.
2012-05-30 12:32:33 PM  
1 votes:
1) Gerald Ford, in a debate with Carter, claimed that Poland would not consider themselves under Communist Russia oppression. In the middle of the Cold War.

2) The Polish people damn well knew what was going on, and many supported it. And I say this as half of my mom side of the family dissapeared during WWII. My Aunt said they were accused of being Jewish, and some were carted off for hiding Jews.
2012-05-30 12:32:27 PM  
1 votes:
Give Obama a break. He was probably high.
2012-05-30 12:31:16 PM  
1 votes:
Sikorski tweeted that the White House would apologize for "this outrageous error" and that Polish Prime Minister Donald Tusk would address the matter on Wednesday.

"It's a pity that such a dignified ceremony was overshadowed by ignorance and incompetence."


Well, that should get the Obammesiah fanbois all riled up.

smooshie: Curious, is this something most (or at least a lot of) Poles are pissed about because it's a faux pas, or is the Polish government run by conservatives who dislike Obama and are using this as an excuse to make him look bad?


There we go...
2012-05-30 12:29:42 PM  
1 votes:
"Did I say death camps? I meant happy camps."
2012-05-30 12:27:48 PM  
1 votes:

I_C_Weener: How many presidents does it take to offend Poland? One...because...he's black?


news.bbc.co.uk
2012-05-30 12:26:41 PM  
1 votes:

smooshie: Curious, is this something most (or at least a lot of) Poles are pissed about because it's a faux pas, or is the Polish government run by conservatives who dislike Obama and are using this as an excuse to make him look bad?


Wow..I mean..just..wow...I've never seen a presidents farkups spun so much. He farks up? Somehow it's because those dam conservatives are out to get him. Maybe they dubbed over his voice. His mouth did seem to be moving out of sync a bit with the words he was saying...hmmmm

/I bet it's just because all europeans look alike to him
2012-05-30 12:25:25 PM  
1 votes:

seumasokelly: I can understand why the Poles are upset at this one much like I can understand that when the president said "Polish death camps" he meant death camps in Poland, not death camps run by the Polish.


Yep. Stupid mistake, but a legit one. I can't be upset at this.
2012-05-30 12:22:26 PM  
1 votes:
Obama -- honest mistake

Bush -- incompetent

Quayle -- everybody agrees he's a dumbass
2012-05-30 12:22:20 PM  
1 votes:

fat boy: You know who else had death camps?


Poland?
2012-05-30 12:20:41 PM  
1 votes:
I guess Romney will be leading now in the Poles.
2012-05-30 12:18:47 PM  
1 votes:

vpb: SkinnyHead: Obama is becoming Jimmy Carter.

Well, at least he isn't becoming Regan, or Bush, so it's not all that bad.


images.cheezburger.com
/hotlink is hot
vpb [TotalFark]
2012-05-30 11:51:03 AM  
1 votes:

SkinnyHead: Obama is becoming Jimmy Carter.


Well, at least he isn't becoming Regan, or Bush, so it's not all that bad.
2012-05-30 11:27:52 AM  
1 votes:
well, if this had to be greenlit, at least it was a funny headline for it
2012-05-30 11:19:18 AM  
1 votes:
How many presidents does it take to offend Poland? One...because...he's black?

Wait...I knew the punchline before. Hang on a second. Black presidents to offend...

Aw, who the hell cares? Nazi/Polish...whatever. It's Old Europe, Jake...forget it.
2012-05-30 11:04:38 AM  
1 votes:
i.ytimg.com
2012-05-30 10:41:09 AM  
1 votes:
People in Poland tell Obama jokes because why?
IT'S SO DAMN EASY!
 
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