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2012-05-30 01:24:03 PM

cleek: He pulled a Sarah Palin.

no, he didn't.

Palin would have said something about how we're going to get own own death camps if we don't stop the libruls because freedom and that's what i intend to bring about is real change for working class Polish so you can have camps of your own, to go hunting in, like Todd and I do, and have you ever had moose? it's like deer but bigger and i think Bullwinkle was a moose, but rocky wasn't, and they fought the Russians, which you know all about here in Polonia and the communists that Ronald Reagan defeated single-handledly by standing firm and telling Gorbachev to tear down the wall that was dividing Poland from West German needed to go and freedom reigns. god bless you all!


Excellent.
 
2012-05-30 01:24:20 PM
beta_plus misses Qaddafi.
 
2012-05-30 01:26:09 PM
Sounds like polemics to impress the domestic populace. Is there an election coming up?
 
2012-05-30 01:28:44 PM

wambu: Obama -- honest mistake

Bush -- incompetent

Quayle -- everybody agrees he's a dumbass


Good thing we have Biden to make Quayle look really bad.
 
2012-05-30 01:29:02 PM

rufus-t-firefly: Explain how this situation evokes Carter. Ford is the one who said Poland wasn't under Soviet dominion. Was Carter known for poor word choices?


Didn't Carter go to Poland and say that he had lust in his heart to have sex with Polish people? That didn't go over too well,.
 
2012-05-30 01:30:42 PM
Where did they bury the survivors of the Polish death camps?
 
2012-05-30 01:34:53 PM

hasty ambush: Record numbers sign up collect federal disability checks as discouraged workers increasingly give up looking for jobs and take advantage of the federal program. Since 2009 2009, the number of new enrollees to Social Security's disability insurance program is twice the job growth figures.


If things were really that bad, you wouldn't have to tell us, we'd already know.
 
2012-05-30 01:35:43 PM

SkinnyHead: rufus-t-firefly: Explain how this situation evokes Carter. Ford is the one who said Poland wasn't under Soviet dominion. Was Carter known for poor word choices?

Didn't Carter go to Poland and say that he had lust in his heart to have sex with Polish people? That didn't go over too well,.


Khrushchev called Mao a whore. (I guess it would be more appropriate to say that his translator called him a whore).

Khrushchev was regarded by his political enemies in the Soviet Union as boorish and overbearing, with a reputation for interrupting speakers to insult them. The Politburo accused him once of "hare-brained scheming," referring to his erratic policies. He regularly humiliated the Soviet nomenklatura, or ruling elite, with his political and military blunders. He once branded Mao, who was at odds with Khrushchev because of the denunciation of Stalin at the 1956 Congress, an "old boot." In Mandarin, the word "boot" is regularly used to describe a prostitute or immoral woman. The Soviet leader also famously condemned his Bulgarian counterpart, making several xenophobic comments about the Bulgarian people as well.
 
2012-05-30 01:38:34 PM

cleek: He pulled a Sarah Palin.

no, he didn't.

Palin would have said something about how we're going to get own own death camps if we don't stop the libruls because freedom and that's what i intend to bring about is real change for working class Polish so you can have camps of your own, to go hunting in, like Todd and I do, and have you ever had moose? it's like deer but bigger and i think Bullwinkle was a moose, but rocky wasn't, and they fought the Russians, which you know all about here in Polonia and the communists that Ronald Reagan defeated single-handledly by standing firm and telling Gorbachev to tear down the wall that was dividing Poland from West German needed to go and freedom reigns. god bless you all!


Palin would claim she was technically correct and her people would be off to war on wikipedia.
 
2012-05-30 01:41:59 PM

Gunther: Magorn: Seriously, horse cavalry against planes and tanks?

That whole "Polish cavalry charged tanks!" crap was actually Nazi propaganda that the allies then also leaped upon to explain why Germany did so well early on in the war; "No, of course the Nazi war machine isn't unstoppable! it's just that everyone they've fought so far was really dumb!".

The polish had cavalry, as did many other armies, but they dismounted to fight. The horses were just a means of transportation.


And as a bonus?

During the Nazis invasion of France, the British Expeditionary Force ALONE had more tanks then the invading Germans, PLUS the French and others and the Germans STILL wiped the floor of them. It was purely a victory on tactics and strategy.
 
2012-05-30 01:43:11 PM

minoridiot: The Jami Turman Fan Club: seumasokelly: I can understand why the Poles are upset at this one much like I can understand that when the president said "Polish death camps" he meant death camps in Poland, not death camps run by the Polish.

Right. There were no Polish nazis, no Polish guards, and no Poles that helped round up the Jews in Poland. It was all Germans.

Keep whitewashing guys. Eventually, people will believe you. After all, it worked for France.

Actually, there were Polish death camps which were independant of nazi rule.


My point was the real reason that the Poles get upset about "Polish Death Camps" is because they're trying to make people forget that there really were ones run by Poles. The Germans couldn't have run the death camps there without the assistance of the Poles.

The French and Polish resistances had to worry about Nazi sympathizers and collaborators more than they did about Germans. Now, those countries want you to remember the Resistance and forget about the many who supported the Nazis.
 
rka
2012-05-30 01:43:28 PM

Profedius: For those saying this was a minor screw up it is not in the eyes of the Polish people they suffered greatly at the hands of the Germans and Russians and then again by the Russians. What he said would be similar to saying the black run slave trade in a speech to the black caucus


No it wouldn't. He said Polish death camps. He didn't say polish run death camps. You don't get to insert the word "run" to twist the analogy in order to make absurd points.

In your example, it would be akin to "black slave trade"....which we say ALL THE TIME. But, even though historians know that some African nations were the suppliers of the slaves no one thinks of it as the "black run slave trade" in most contexts. Does anyone with even a smattering of knowledge about WWII seriously equate "Polish Death Camps" with the notion that they were run by Poland? No. No one who's opinion you'd even remotely consider as important would think that. It is foolish pendatry being trotted out by the perpetually outraged.

Ok, the Polish want to biatch about semantics. Fine. Offer the standard "I'm sorry you are butthurt" apology and move on.
 
2012-05-30 01:43:53 PM
Obama you fool! Those Polish people will never vote for you now.

You know who knew how to show some respect?

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2012-05-30 01:44:07 PM

wambu: Obama -- honest mistake

Bush -- incompetent

Quayle -- everybody agrees he's a dumbass


You just described the MSM and most of the O-bots.
 
2012-05-30 01:44:58 PM

Cyclometh: Poland...

STFU. There's better things to get your knickers in a twist over than this. Grow the fark up, people.


That's a very nubianardly attitude towards Polish sensitivities.
 
2012-05-30 01:47:01 PM

SkinnyHead: Obama is becoming Jimmy Carter.


Nah - he's not that good of a president.
 
2012-05-30 01:48:15 PM

beta_plus: Cyclometh: Poland...

STFU. There's better things to get your knickers in a twist over than this. Grow the fark up, people.

That's a very nubianardly attitude towards Polish sensitivities.


I find your comment to be nubianrdly.
 
2012-05-30 01:48:25 PM

pciszek: iheartscotch: I do agree that they bear some responsibility for their situation; but, there was no way for them to defend themselves. They were completely lacking in men, material and technology

According to contemporary accounts, the average Pole-on-the-street was all for killing as many Jews as possible.


That part of Europe has always been anti-semetic; but the world attitude toward Jews wasn't much better during that time. Even the United States was fairly anti-semitic during that time period. It was only after the discovery of the concentration camps and the creation of Isreal that Jews finally had a place they wouldn't eventually be expelled from.

/ Jews haven't been very popular in the Christian world for the last 2 millennia
 
2012-05-30 01:48:51 PM

Corvus: SkinnyHead: Obama is becoming Jimmy Carter.

OBL - Killed

Full credit for that one. It happened on his watch and he made the right call from the raid to the body dump.

Qaddafi - overthrown relatively cheap

To what end? Carter wasn't terribly sad to see the Shah go and that didn't work out too well for him.

Iraq War - Closed

Yep. Thirteen whole days sooner than required by schedule President Bush and the Iraqi government signed in 2008.

Afghanistan war - Winding down.

Maybe. Under current plans, there will still be US military 'advisors' in country well beyond 2014. I suspect there will be combat units there then too.

World Opinion - Much higher than under Bush

So? Let me know when he's running for president of the UN, then maybe the US electorate should consider what the world thinks.

Yeah he is a foreign policy nightmare. Keep repeating your talking point. Maybe someone will believe it if you repeat it enough.


He hasn't been a nightmare, but the accomplishments you tout aren't much to brag on either. He's also got a couple of big vultures circling. If NK or Iran shows any real nuclear progress between now and November, he might as well address the nation wearing a sweater.
 
2012-05-30 01:48:56 PM

rka:

Ok, the Polish want to biatch about semantics. Fine. Offer the standard "I'm sorry you are butthurt" apology and move on.


He offered them an apology and they wouldn't take it.

Now its time to tell them... Hey, if you want to be a a-hole and damage the reputation between our countries over this, then you go right ahead. We'll remember this next time we have something you want, which happens more often than us wanting something you have.
 
2012-05-30 01:49:34 PM

cleek: beta_plus misses Qaddafi.


Cleek likes it when he can commit genocide against blacks and no one cares because The One is in office.

/break a few eggs, huh, Cleek?
 
2012-05-30 01:50:08 PM

hdhale: MonkeyAngst: I think this is a silly thing to get upset over, but then again I'm not Polish and don't have that history. I think the president should apologize -- and I think he probably will -- and it sounds like as far as the Polish government is concerned, that will be the end of it. No one thinks he meant to offend (with the possible exception of Breitbart.com -- haven't been there to look) and a simple, honest apology would put the matter to rest.

Honestly? He pulled a Sarah Palin. The problem is that as someone who has working on 4 years as President under his belt, shouldn't be making a rookie mistake, and if he made such a mistake anyway, owned it and apologized immediately himself, not through a spokesman.


Not an Obama supporter by any stretch - but this was more his speech-writers mistake than his (although I could fault him for blindly reading it). Stupid controversy? Yep, but politics is about nothing but stupid controversies, and a decent speech writer knows that and avoids even the really stupid ones.
 
2012-05-30 01:54:44 PM

JustGetItRight: but the accomplishments you tout aren't much to brag on either


Ending the War in Iraq, killing Osama bin Laden and restoring our reputation not enough for you?

How about data.gov? Find a way to shiat on that!
 
2012-05-30 01:58:25 PM
beta_plus wishes Quaddafi was back in power, blowing up civilian airliners and shelling his own cities. good times.
 
2012-05-30 02:02:39 PM

hasty ambush: Corvus: SkinnyHead: Obama is becoming Jimmy Carter.

OBL - Killed
Qaddafi - overthrown relatively cheap
Iraq War - Closed
Afghanistan war - Winding down.
World Opinion - Much higher than under Bush

Yeah he is a foreign policy nightmare. Keep repeating your talking point. Maybe someone will believe it if you repeat it enough.

Not saying these are not good things (although we still need to see what the end result will be in places like Libya.) Obama's popularity in France or Germany is not likely to win him a lot over votes here. Think about what people might be really voting about (even if Obama cannot really control them)

Labor Force Participation Lowest in 31 Years

Nearly half of all U.S. households receiving government assistance

Record numbers sign up collect federal disability checks as discouraged workers increasingly give up looking for jobs and take advantage of the federal program. Since 2009 2009, the number of new enrollees to Social Security's disability insurance program is twice the job growth figures.


Hmm Wonder if that has anything to do witht he record numbers of badly wounded veterans returning home for Iraq and Afghanistan who might have gotten stffed by the armed forces notoriously stingy and dishonest disability panels?

As Colin warned George W.: "If you break them, you've bought them"
 
2012-05-30 02:02:53 PM

poot_rootbeer: Callous: I'm not convinced that they will get any kind of public apology from Obama himself. I don't think his ego will allow it.

I thought the talking point was that Obama is the "Apologist-In-Chief", who's been ruining our reputation overseas by saying America is sorry for everything it's ever did, including the stuff we had no reason to regret doing because it was right?


You never noticed he only apologizes for things previous administrations did?
 
2012-05-30 02:03:04 PM

rudemix: Fark off Poland. You've taken every opportunity to shiat and abuse any one you've ever found on a lower rung on the ladder than you. Fortunately that doesn't happen often. While your murderous and truly anti-semitic ways may not have been legislated or systemically institutionalized, your individual citizens certainly fed victims to the Nazi machine willingly enough.


It's an odd position to take. Germany killed on the order of 5 million Poles in WWII -- 3 million of them Jews and 2 million ethnic Poles. And that's only Germany -- Russia didn't care for the Poles, either.

Germany had a Final Solution for the Poles, too. It was just on a longer time frame.
 
2012-05-30 02:05:18 PM
You guys are missing the point, "Polish Death Camps" in Polish is:

Polskich obozach śmierci
 
2012-05-30 02:07:06 PM

tlchwi02: Poland has been trying to change the way the camps are referred for years because they feel (probably correctly) that phrasing it "Polish death camps" implies that Poland was running them or at the least an active collaborator in their creation/administration. .


At least some sure didn't sit quietly as Jews were hauled into the camps. You can't tell me they didn't know what was happening. Considering the antisemitism before and after the war, it is obvious that there were some Poles, including their leaders (so to phrase it), who were not only happy about the camps but were eager to point the Jews out to the Nazis. And while I know there were Poles who helped the Jews and refused to participate and help the Nazis, the fact remains that there were Polish collaborators who helped take actions that led to the genocide at the death camps in Poland.

Yes the President may have misspoken, but the truth hurts sometimes. It was another time, most who participated are gone now. Get over it.
 
2012-05-30 02:09:49 PM

Magorn: Hey Poland, the Death Camp was on your soil, it was therefore a "Polish Death camp"

Don't like that? Then next time grow some balls and spend a little money on your military so you won't be such a weak-sister pushover when the neighborhood bully comes a -conquering. Seriously, horse cavalry against planes and tanks? How the fark did you THINK that was going to work out for you?


Ramstein Air Base is a United States Air Force (USAF) base in the German state of Rheinland-Pfalz.

So you would say it was a German Air Force Base?
 
2012-05-30 02:12:11 PM
Does anyone actually think that the President meant "Death Camps that were run by the Polish"?

Of course not. No one actually thinks he meant that. So, all we have is a bunch of whiners taking offense at phrasing rather than substance.

GTFO and come back with something of substance, meatheads.

/A guy walks into a bar, orders a drink and goes "Hey, want to hear a Polish joke?" Bartender puts down his rag, stares at the guy and goes "See that big farker at the end of the bar? He's Polish. See that bigger farker sitting next to him? That's his friend and he's Polish. I'm Polish, too. So, you want to tell that joke now, asshole?"

//Guy shakes his head no.
///"I don't feel like having to explain it three times."
 
2012-05-30 02:12:41 PM

This text is now purple: Germany had a Final Solution for the Poles, too. It was just on a longer time frame.


Yeah, it can take a long while to install scratch and sniff stickers at the bottom of all the community swimming pools.
 
2012-05-30 02:13:04 PM
media.tumblr.com

Frowns on Obama's shenanigans.
 
2012-05-30 02:20:28 PM

damageddude: tlchwi02: Poland has been trying to change the way the camps are referred for years because they feel (probably correctly) that phrasing it "Polish death camps" implies that Poland was running them or at the least an active collaborator in their creation/administration. .

At least some sure didn't sit quietly as Jews were hauled into the camps. You can't tell me they didn't know what was happening. Considering the antisemitism before and after the war, it is obvious that there were some Poles, including their leaders (so to phrase it), who were not only happy about the camps but were eager to point the Jews out to the Nazis. And while I know there were Poles who helped the Jews and refused to participate and help the Nazis, the fact remains that there were Polish collaborators who helped take actions that led to the genocide at the death camps in Poland.

Yes the President may have misspoken, but the truth hurts sometimes. It was another time, most who participated are gone now. Get over it.


Not all the camps in Poland were for Jews. Before the war there was at least one death camp run for political dissidents, and after the war there were a few camps for Germans run primarily by Jews.
 
2012-05-30 02:23:45 PM

CrazyCracka420: So instead of saying "death camps in Poland" he said "Polish death camps"

everybody panic


The problem is that the Polish are a bunch of grammar Nazis.
 
2012-05-30 02:27:29 PM

rudemix: Kielce Pogrom
Bialystok Pogrom
Siedlce Pogrom



According to your links Poles only kill Jews in Russian organized events. You know who else was Anti-Russian?
 
2012-05-30 02:28:49 PM

mccallcl: JustGetItRight: but the accomplishments you tout aren't much to brag on either

Ending the War in Iraq, killing Osama bin Laden and restoring our reputation not enough for you?

How about data.gov? Find a way to shiat on that!


Who's shiatting on anything? He got Osama and deserves the credit. As far as ending Iraq goes, you're actually touting managing to shave 13 days off the schedule signed by Bush as an accomplishment? Really?

One guy posted that he's been a disaster, another posted that he was pretty much a miracle worker. The truth is that he's been neither.

Oh, and I don't give a rat's rear end what the rest of the world thinks.
 
2012-05-30 02:29:46 PM

kbronsito: rka:

Ok, the Polish want to biatch about semantics. Fine. Offer the standard "I'm sorry you are butthurt" apology and move on.

He offered them an apology and they wouldn't take it.

Now its time to tell them... Hey, if you want to be a a-hole and damage the reputation between our countries over this, then you go right ahead. We'll remember this next time we have something you want, which happens more often than us wanting something you have.


What makes this all the stranger is that Poland has been one of the staunchest US allies in Europe for a while now. When we started the Iraq war they quickly supported us and sent troops and supplies. I think it's because they're far more conservative than Western Europe and we are as well. Their top 2 performing parties are a center-right coalition and a right wing party.
 
2012-05-30 02:30:58 PM

Mearen: Polish death camps, corpse men, 57 states... your mesiah is on a roll. Now get back to circle jerking yourselves into a frenzy defending him.


Animal.Human.Hybrids.
 
2012-05-30 02:34:14 PM
Obama supporting gay marriage upsets me far more than this little trivial "error".
 
2012-05-30 02:34:15 PM
That's not all he forgot.
wearemoviegeeks.com
"He who ruins the economy has forgotten the face of this father"
 
2012-05-30 02:38:02 PM
It was a blunder heard in all 57 states.
 
2012-05-30 02:45:14 PM
actually, beta_plus, i don't know what you want.
/evs
 
2012-05-30 02:45:28 PM

hasty ambush: Nearly half of all U.S. households receiving government assistance


Yep, allowing those baby boomers to collect Social Security and use Medicare was a big mistake. And many of the people who point to that statistic are themselves receiving Social Security and/or Medicare, but do not consider themselves to be "receiving Federal assistance". In other words, they do not know that they are part of the 50% they are complaining about. I will agree with one thing, though--if we elect a bunch of Republicans in November, they will greatly reduce the number of people receiving Medicare and Social Security. Possibly all the way to zero.
 
2012-05-30 02:47:53 PM
The Nazis killed nearly 3 million non-Jewish Poles during the course of the war. The vast majority of them were civilians and where not killed in actual war fighting (the invasion was over after five weeks). So, when people ask why Poles didn't stop the German genocide, they're kind of missing the point. The Poles were second on the victim list and were being killed with almost as much gusto.
 
2012-05-30 02:50:23 PM

JustGetItRight: Oh, and I don't give a rat's rear end what the rest of the world thinks.


So should we sit on top of our military and economic might and decide the fate of the world because we've been destined to lead it? We used to care what the world thought when that thought was in line with our own ('Whatever the weather we must move together!'), but now that we've continued to violate human rights and wage unnecessary wars at a time when others are becoming more just that opinion has turned against us. Obviously the solution is to ignore anything our allies say and continue to go about our business instead of taking any legitimate criticisms to heart as we would expect demand our allies to do for us. After all, we have bases throughout Europe that support the economy of entire towns and regions.
 
2012-05-30 02:53:38 PM
hoyt clagwell

Obama supporting gay marriage upsets me far more...

Why does that upset you?
 
2012-05-30 02:56:08 PM
On behalf of the 48% of Americans who knew Obama was an unqualified idiot three years ago, I'd like to apologize to Poland for the other 52%.
 
2012-05-30 02:56:56 PM

kbronsito: America fought both the Nazis and the Japanese. You didn´t see any death camps in America did you? (we did have some internment camps... but we ran those ourselves). No excuses... man up, Poland.


The US operated concentration camps in Germany, Australia, and New Zealand.
 
2012-05-30 02:57:39 PM
O' here we go!
the mental gymnasts of the Conservative flock will be so elated with their wit
all the while acting & looking like more the fool than they point their fingers at


/when you got nothing, you act like you have everything, right Ctards?
 
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