mccallcl: Satanic_Hamster: Jimmy Carter

Jimmy Carter was a great president and a good man. The effort to smear his name says more about the smearer than the smearee. Mostly it says "I don't pay attention to politics, and also am mean and spiteful for no good reason".

Though I didn't vote for Jimmy, I largely agree with you, but the Left consistently stoops to name-calling in these here threads, so it appers they can dish it out but can't take it.

/President Carter certainly made mistakes while in office, but his community/national service over the last 30+ years has been first-rate. You're right, he is a "good man."

Diogenes: His speech clearly needed some more polish.

Someone should have tossed a shoe at him. Then the headline could read:

BLACK. SHOE. POLISH.

For those saying this was a minor screw up it is not in the eyes of the Polish people they suffered greatly at the hands of the Germans and Russians and then again by the Russians. What he said would be similar to saying the black run slave trade in a speech to the black caucus. Though in that example there is some truth since it was the Africans who sold their people into slavery. To make a statement about Polish people working with the Germans to imply that Polish people ran the camps as a justification for what he said is so ignorant as to defy all logic. The person who wrote that speech for him should have known better about the passions and sensitivity over the issue, but Obama also should have realized how incorrect the statement was and that no nation that was occupied would want to be associated with the torture and murder of millions of people. Even Germans do not want to be associated with it, but they have no choice in the matter.

SkinnyHead: Obama is becoming Jimmy Carter.

No, he's becoming LBJ.

Callous: he intended to offend the Poles or infer imply that they were in any way responsible for the death camps

/Locution Nazi (w/o a death camp)

iheartscotch: I do agree that they bear some responsibility for their situation; but, there was no way for them to defend themselves. They were completely lacking in men, material and technology

According to contemporary accounts, the average Pole-on-the-street was all for killing as many Jews as possible.

"It's a shame that this important ceremony was overshadowed byignorance and incompetence."

And that's coming from a Pole.

pciszek: According to contemporary accounts, the average Pole-on-the-street was all for killing as many Jews as possible.

Citation needed.

highendmighty: I love the comments in this thread. Great puns, jokes -- well done!

I can't stand Obama. BUT
this is such an idiotic thing to get upset about. He mispoke a little. Everyone knows by the context that by 'Polish,' he was denoting those camps in Poland.
Maybe because people are so used to his being a great orator, with skills far better than those of his predecessor, his errors stand out more. Brave medal earners can be so sensitive.

I have to disagree. He's our chief diplomat (you know - the whole right to make treaties in Article 2). That he didn't even do the most basic homework on Poles and Polish culture is a major screw up on his part. Anyone who knows anything about Poland knows how angry they get about Nazi concentration camps being described as Polish.

Poland doesn't want to be associated with death camps on Polish soil. That's why they bulldozed Auschwitz and put up a simple memorial.

Wait...

Profedius: it was the Africans who sold their people into slavery

What do you mean "their" people?

Callous: I don't think his ego will allow it.

You know who else had an oversized ego?

Oh yea, let's not offend polish sensibilities by reminding them how enthusiastic they were in rounding up the jews, eh? It was all the nazis...totally.

Profedius: For those saying this was a minor screw up it is not in the eyes of the Polish people they suffered greatly at the hands of the Germans and Russians and then again by the Russians. What he said would be similar to saying the black run slave trade in a speech to the black caucus. Though in that example there is some truth since it was the Africans who sold their people into slavery. To make a statement about Polish people working with the Germans to imply that Polish people ran the camps as a justification for what he said is so ignorant as to defy all logic. The person who wrote that speech for him should have known better about the passions and sensitivity over the issue, but Obama also should have realized how incorrect the statement was and that no nation that was occupied would want to be associated with the torture and murder of millions of people. Even Germans do not want to be associated with it, but they have no choice in the matter.

Kielce Pogrom
Bialystok Pogrom
Siedlce Pogrom

There is murderous anti-semitism in Poland prior to, and after, WWII. What reason were they not killing Jews during WWII? Because they were in no position to. For a brief period of your troubled history, Poland, you were not killing Jews, let's not play the indignant country game now.

Well, that settles it then. While I am against slashing social programs, removing environmental regulations, denying civil rights to another human being, handouts for corporations, restricting access to affordable health care, taking away women's rights, slashing student aid, and doing unto others as crappily as you please as long as you can afford a good enough lawyer, I have to say this gaffe has me re-thinking who is best to lead this country at this moment in time...

/...
//San Dimas High School Football Rules!

Gunther: Magorn: Seriously, horse cavalry against planes and tanks?

That whole "Polish cavalry charged tanks!" crap was actually Nazi propaganda that the allies then also leaped upon to explain why Germany did so well early on in the war; "No, of course the Nazi war machine isn't unstoppable! it's just that everyone they've fought so far was really dumb!".

The polish had cavalry, as did many other armies, but they dismounted to fight. The horses were just a means of transportation.

And when they got off the horse to check it out, it ran away.

What's really going on is Blahsident Borat 0Bongo is shaming Poland publicly in retaliation for Lech Walesa embarrassing communist Russia at the tail end of the cold war. This is nothing more than History's Greatest Monster letting his communistic fangs draw blood in revenge!

Besides, he only implied Poland had a little bit to do with the camps. He said they were Pol-ish, not full blown Pole...

So instead of saying "death camps in Poland" he said "Polish death camps"

everybody panic

Callous: RibbyK: Callous: I don't think anyone honestly believes that he intended to offend the Poles or imply that they were in any way responsible for the death camps

I just wish you had not clipped my sentence off at that particular point, because it makes it look like I said the complete opposite of what I actually did.

Didn't mean to imply that. My mistake. Corrected above.

Magorn: Hey Poland, the Death Camp was on your soil, it was therefore a "Polish Death camp"

Don't like that? Then next time grow some balls and spend a little money on your military so you won't be such a weak-sister pushover when the neighborhood bully comes a -conquering. Seriously, horse cavalry against planes and tanks? How the fark did you THINK that was going to work out for you?

From what i understand the charging the German tanks on horseback never happened. That was a scene from a Nazi propaganda film that was made about the invasion of Poland and was meant to dehumanize the Polish people in the eyes of the German citizens.

RibbyK: Callous: he intended to offend the Poles or infer imply that they were in any way responsible for the death camps

/Locution Nazi (w/o a death camp)

And I know some guys would put up with that kind of thing, but frankly, I can't imagine why.

Manufactured outrage, meant to attempt to divert attention to the fact that even FRANCE resisted the Nazis more strongly than Poland, and tried harder to liberate itself once overrun. Why weren't there Death Camps in France? Could it be that that, unlike in Poland, the Nazis couldn't find any locals to help build them?

RibbyK: pciszek: According to contemporary accounts, the average Pole-on-the-street was all for killing as many Jews as possible.

Citation needed.

Link

With the influence of the Endecja party growing, antisemitism gathered new momentum in Poland and was most felt in smaller towns and spheres in which Jews came into direct contact with Poles, such as in Polish schools or on the sports field. Further academic harassment, such as the introduction of ghetto benches, which forced Jewish students to sit in section of the lecture halls reserved exclusively for them, anti-Jewish riots, and semi-official or unofficial quotas (Numerus clausus) introduced in 1937 in some universities halved the number of Jews in Polish universities between independence and the late 1930s. The restrictions were so inclusive that, while Jews made up 20.4% of the student population in 1928, by 1937 their share was down to only 7.5%.

Although many Jews were educated, they were excluded from most of the relevant occupations, including the government bureaucracy. A good number therefore turned to the liberal professions, particularly medicine and law. In 1937 the Catholic trade unions of Polish doctors and lawyers restricted their new members to Christian Poles (in a similar manner the Jewish trade unions excluded non-Jewish professionals from their ranks after 1918). A series of professional and trade unions, including those for lawyers and physicians, enacted "Aryan clauses" expelling Polish Jews from their ranks. The bulk of Jewish workers were organized in Jewish trade unions under the influence of the Jewish Labor Bund, which recognized the special cultural needs of the Jewish population, as well as special conditions arising from official discrimination against Jews in certain professions. Jews were virtually excluded from Polish government jobs during this period.

Complex and long history shaped Polish attitudes towards the Jews and Jewish attitudes towards the Poles, but the anti-Jewish sentiment in Poland had reached its zenith in the years leading to the Second World War. Between 1935 and 1937 seventy-nine Jews were killed and 500 injured in anti-Jewish incidents. National policy was such that jobless Jews, who largely worked at home or in small shops due to discrimination in employment, were excluded from welfare benefits.

Polish Foreign Minister Radek Sikorski called it a matter of "ignorance and incompetence."

As a Polish-American let me say; Minister Sikorski, you are an asshole. He misspoke, no reason to start hurling insults. This is international diplomacy, name calling for the sake of itself?

Corvus: SkinnyHead: Obama is becoming Jimmy Carter.

OBL - Killed
Qaddafi - overthrown relatively cheap
Iraq War - Closed
Afghanistan war - Winding down.
World Opinion - Much higher than under Bush

Yeah he is a foreign policy nightmare. Keep repeating your talking point. Maybe someone will believe it if you repeat it enough.

Not saying these are not good things (although we still need to see what the end result will be in places like Libya.) Obama's popularity in France or Germany is not likely to win him a lot over votes here. Think about what people might be really voting about (even if Obama cannot really control them)

Labor Force Participation Lowest in 31 Years

Nearly half of all U.S. households receiving government assistance

Record numbers sign up collect federal disability checks as discouraged workers increasingly give up looking for jobs and take advantage of the federal program. Since 2009 2009, the number of new enrollees to Social Security's disability insurance program is twice the job growth figures.

there is no sausage in poland. stop saying 'polish sausage'!
krakow may or may not be a city in poland, but even if it is don't dare call it polish.
there have never been any death camps in poland. that's offensive, and it's time that every history book was rewritten to reflect that fact.

beta_plus: highendmighty: I love the comments in this thread. Great puns, jokes -- well done!

I can't stand Obama. BUT
this is such an idiotic thing to get upset about. He mispoke a little. Everyone knows by the context that by 'Polish,' he was denoting those camps in Poland.
Maybe because people are so used to his being a great orator, with skills far better than those of his predecessor, his errors stand out more. Brave medal earners can be so sensitive.

I have to disagree. He's our chief diplomat (you know - the whole right to make treaties in Article 2). That he didn't even do the most basic homework on Poles and Polish culture is a major screw up on his part. Anyone who knows anything about Poland knows how angry they get about Nazi concentration camps being described as Polish.

I can't disagree with you that he's our chief diplomat, and as such, should use words wisely and in an educated manner. But describing "the camps built by Polish slave labor with Polish resources on Polish land, while administered by Nazi's of the Third Reich" seems a bit long-winded. There are plenty of issues on which to attack Obama - I just think this one is just embarrassingly petty.

RibbyK: mccallcl: Satanic_Hamster: Jimmy Carter

Jimmy Carter was a great president and a good man. The effort to smear his name says more about the smearer than the smearee. Mostly it says "I don't pay attention to politics, and also am mean and spiteful for no good reason".

Though I didn't vote for Jimmy, I largely agree with you, but the Left consistently stoops to name-calling in these here threads, so it appers they can dish it out but can't take it.

It's not name-calling - it's false equivalence.

Explain how this situation evokes Carter. Ford is the one who said Poland wasn't under Soviet dominion. Was Carter known for poor word choices?

Gunther: That whole "Polish cavalry charged tanks!" crap was actually Nazi propaganda that the allies then also leaped upon to explain why Germany did so well early on in the war; "No, of course the Nazi war machine isn't unstoppable! it's just that everyone they've fought so far was really dumb!".

The polish had cavalry, as did many other armies, but they dismounted to fight. The horses were just a means of transportation.

Besides, wasn't the word "cavalry" being applied to mechanical vehicles as well as horses since the early twentieth century?

iheartscotch: Magorn: Hey Poland, the Death Camp was on your soil, it was therefore a "Polish Death camp"

Don't like that? Then next time grow some balls and spend a little money on your military so you won't be such a weak-sister pushover when the neighborhood bully comes a -conquering. Seriously, horse cavalry against planes and tanks? How the fark did you THINK that was going to work out for you?

Not that I have a horse in this one; but they did get invaded by the Nazis and the Russians AT THE SAME TIME. Then they got invaded the rest of the way by the Nazis. Then they got re-invaded by the Russians. Then, they were part of the soviet block from 1945-1989. Poland in 1939 had suffered heavily from the collapse of the german economy following WW 1. With what money and what technology were they supposed to arm themselves with?

/ I do agree that they bear some responsibility for their situation; but, there was no way for them to defend themselves. They were completely lacking in men, material and technology

While in the meantime, their insanely brave pilots almost single handedly saved the UK during the darkest days of the Battle of Britain, their mathematicians were essential to cracking Enigma, their scientists (Ulam) helped give America the A Bomb, their trade unionists under impossible odds stood up to the Soviets*, and they put a Pope in place who stood for human and religious freedom and survived a KGB assassination attempt during one of the lowest points of the Cold War for the West*.

In return for this, they make the outrageous and clearly racist demand that Obama not refer to Nazi death camps in Poland as Polish.

* would explain why Fark Libs hate them so much

/oh yeah - and one of their generals helped America wins its independence
//how does one say "You're farking Welcome" in polish?

the801: there is no sausage in poland. stop saying 'polish sausage'!

Some of us like our sausages polished.

Keep telling yourself that "at least obama finally has a job" and all that.

//not trolling, just don't respect the guy

//lude

Magorn: Don't like that? Then next time grow some balls and spend a little money on your military so you won't be such a weak-sister pushover when the neighborhood bully comes a -conquering.

They spent too much of their military budget on patching holes in their submarine fleet's screen doors.

beta_plus: //how does one say "You're farking Welcome" in polish?

"Wy farking jesteście pożądani "?

highendmighty: beta_plus: highendmighty: I love the comments in this thread. Great puns, jokes -- well done!

I can't stand Obama. BUT
this is such an idiotic thing to get upset about. He mispoke a little. Everyone knows by the context that by 'Polish,' he was denoting those camps in Poland.
Maybe because people are so used to his being a great orator, with skills far better than those of his predecessor, his errors stand out more. Brave medal earners can be so sensitive.

I have to disagree. He's our chief diplomat (you know - the whole right to make treaties in Article 2). That he didn't even do the most basic homework on Poles and Polish culture is a major screw up on his part. Anyone who knows anything about Poland knows how angry they get about Nazi concentration camps being described as Polish.

I can't disagree with you that he's our chief diplomat, and as such, should use words wisely and in an educated manner. But describing "the camps built by Polish slave labor with Polish resources on Polish land, while administered by Nazi's of the Third Reich" seems a bit long-winded. There are plenty of issues on which to attack Obama - I just think this one is just embarrassingly petty.

Unfortunately, he and his supporters demand exactly that when their historic issues are referred to. They shouldn't dish it out if they can't take it.

Callous: I'm not convinced that they will get any kind of public apology from Obama himself. I don't think his ego will allow it.

I thought the talking point was that Obama is the "Apologist-In-Chief", who's been ruining our reputation overseas by saying America is sorry for everything it's ever did, including the stuff we had no reason to regret doing because it was right?

Corvus: Qaddafi - overthrown relatively cheap

Hope


Change

He pulled a Sarah Palin.

no, he didn't.

Palin would have said something about how we're going to get own own death camps if we don't stop the libruls because freedom and that's what i intend to bring about is real change for working class Polish so you can have camps of your own, to go hunting in, like Todd and I do, and have you ever had moose? it's like deer but bigger and i think Bullwinkle was a moose, but rocky wasn't, and they fought the Russians, which you know all about here in Polonia and the communists that Ronald Reagan defeated single-handledly by standing firm and telling Gorbachev to tear down the wall that was dividing Poland from West German needed to go and freedom reigns. god bless you all!

mccallcl: Jimmy Carter was a great president and a good man. The effort to smear his name says more about the smearer than the smearee. Mostly it says "I don't pay attention to politics, and also am mean and spiteful for no good reason".

Haha -- good one!